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yerself 16-06-2009 14:39

How Important is T'internet
 
Gordon Brown says the internet is as vital as water and gas. Has he lost the plot? I think I could survive without the internet but water might just be essential.
Have a read:The internet is as vital as water and gas | Gordon Brown - Times Online

Less 16-06-2009 14:51

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What a cracking comment.

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Thinking you have the respect of the people: £187,000+unique expenses. Thinking you saved the world:One trillion quid, unprecedented debt for generations, the decimation of Sterling abroad. Hoping that promising everyone 2006 spec broadband would garner a positive response (see Ofcom):priceless

Si, London, England

jaysay 16-06-2009 16:11

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 722077)
What a cracking comment.

Not a bad description at all Less, looks like somebodies marked Browns card good and proper:D

emzy 16-06-2009 16:36

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Could probably go without gas for a few days, water I dont think i could go without, but internet.........I was without it for about 24 hrs and i was going insane :D

accyman 16-06-2009 16:37

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the internet is very important

its full of free stuff :D

AccyLass 16-06-2009 16:39

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It's important enough for ya to miss it when it's gone...

cashman 16-06-2009 16:42

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mine was lost when returned from hols last week fer a few days, not a happy bunny at all. it is important, not obviously as much as water nevertheless its missed like hell when ya aint got it.

accyman 16-06-2009 16:46

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Originally Posted by AccyLass28 (Post 722127)
It's important enough for ya to miss it when it's gone...

unlike a wife :D

so importance of internet is somewhere between water and teh wife :)

MargaretR 16-06-2009 16:47

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My life would be hard without it - I would have to visit shops :eek:

derekgas 16-06-2009 18:19

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I rely heavily on the internet, for work especially, it is partly responsible for many local shops and stores closing though, because there are limited overheads as compared to a shop, so things are sold much cheaper, it is also responsible for much of the worlds fraud, so good and bad, but I would miss it terribly.

pipinfort 16-06-2009 18:22

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I`d rather have no TV than no t`internet.........but i may struggle without water.........no gas , no problem, `i`ll put mi coat on.......

derekgas 16-06-2009 18:23

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I could actually be fairly skint if we had no gas and no water! :eek:

panther 16-06-2009 18:37

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 722165)
I could actually be fairly skint if we had no gas and no water! :eek:

Stink too!!:rolleyes::p

derekgas 17-06-2009 12:11

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Very good! (skint) stink!!

BERNADETTE 17-06-2009 12:12

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Was without mine for three months last year due to stupid provider. Nearly drove me barmy, so yes it is very important.

derekgas 17-06-2009 12:15

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I remember that Bernadette, it was very quiet! :p

BERNADETTE 17-06-2009 12:17

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 722440)
I remember that Bernadette, it was very quiet! :p

Oiy cheeky:eek:

Margaret Pilkington 17-06-2009 13:30

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Whilst I think the internet is important, it isn't essential, unless of course it is how you gather business.
I reckon the vast majority of us on here could survive without our internet access, and it wouldn't be a happy expereince I am sure....I don't think we would survive without access to clean water.

blazey 17-06-2009 15:05

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Internet is cheaper than books. Books cost more money. Brown brainwashes us to accept the internet is a better resource than books and the next thing you know they'll be cutting funds to our local libraries.

My studies would be ten times harder without the internet. It makes my life a lot easier... but saying that, if I'd never had internet to begin with then I'd probably not even have had the knowledge to go to university in the first place so I could just have an ordinary job right now instead, and it wouldn't require the internet.

The internet is vital in today's society and I can guarantee that more research is currently going into the internet than any of you could possibly imagine. And this research is costing billions of euro in the EU. My internship in the summer is funded by the ESRC and is based upon this topic, and the future is actually very scary indeed.

Margaret Pilkington 17-06-2009 15:10

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While I accept that the internet is a valuable study aide, I still prefer to learn from a book.
I find it hard to digest stuff from the screen........If I do need an article that is available only on the internet, then I have to print it off to read it properly....and I know that I am not alone in this as there was a thread on a similar subject recently.

turkishdelight 17-06-2009 15:15

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 722462)
Internet is cheaper than books. Books cost more money. Brown brainwashes us to accept the internet is a better resource than books and the next thing you know they'll be cutting funds to our local libraries.

My studies would be ten times harder without the internet. It makes my life a lot easier... but saying that, if I'd never had internet to begin with then I'd probably not even have had the knowledge to go to university in the first place so I could just have an ordinary job right now instead, and it wouldn't require the internet.

The internet is vital in today's society and I can guarantee that more research is currently going into the internet than any of you could possibly imagine. And this research is costing billions of euro in the EU. My internship in the summer is funded by the ESRC and is based upon this topic, and the future is actually very scary indeed.

In reference to The future is actually very scary indeed, in terms of ?

MargaretR 17-06-2009 15:22

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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 722467)
In reference to The future is actually very scary indeed, in terms of ?

People in power consider the majority of us to be 'useless eaters' :eek:
That isn't a worry unless you enjoy eating ;)

***Mr D*** 17-06-2009 15:50

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 722462)
The internet is vital in today's society and I can guarantee that more research is currently going into the internet than any of you could possibly imagine. And this research is costing billions of euro in the EU. My internship in the summer is funded by the ESRC and is based upon this topic, and the future is actually very scary indeed.

Can you enlighten me more on this research.

I feel the internet is very important for information to be shared to the masses.

How long the Freedom of the internet will last is anyones guess.:rolleyes:

accyman 17-06-2009 15:58

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the internet can be updated a book once printed has to be re written if facts are later proven to be incorrect and need updating

for example according to the books we have 9 planets in our solar system but any website updated regularly will have corrected this error to say that we now only have 8 planets in our soloar system

books make better for reading but i would say the internet is a more valuable resource for up to date facts

also if it wasnt for teh internet yanks would still think we all lived in castles , were all on talking terms with the queen and all lived within walking distance of london , i dare say they would have even less of a clue about countries outside of teh USA as their news stations dont really cover anythig much outside of tehir town yet alone their country

also if it wasnt for teh internet my ex wouldnt have ben able to pay somone to do her degree coursework and she wouldnt have teh job she does now teh cheat :rolleyes:

jaysay 17-06-2009 16:02

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 722462)
Internet is cheaper than books. Books cost more money. Brown brainwashes us to accept the internet is a better resource than books and the next thing you know they'll be cutting funds to our local libraries.

My studies would be ten times harder without the internet. It makes my life a lot easier... but saying that, if I'd never had internet to begin with then I'd probably not even have had the knowledge to go to university in the first place so I could just have an ordinary job right now instead, and it wouldn't require the internet.

The internet is vital in today's society and I can guarantee that more research is currently going into the internet than any of you could possibly imagine. And this research is costing billions of euro in the EU. My internship in the summer is funded by the ESRC and is based upon this topic, and the future is actually very scary indeed.

There was life before life before the internet blazey and ordinary people like yourself still went to Uni, there was just different ways of doing things in those days

accyman 17-06-2009 16:06

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 722482)
There was life before life before the internet blazey and ordinary people like yourself still went to Uni, there was just different ways of doing things in those days

yup times move on

people used to use an abacus to do math infact merely typing an equasion into google is threatening teh calculator lol

Less 17-06-2009 16:11

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Where would we all be if we didn't have good old Wikipedia to lead us down the wrong path instead of those unreliable old Lecturers?
Or does the internet mean students today have to attend even less classes than I did?

accyman 17-06-2009 16:16

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wikipedia is a joke and about as reliable as the daily sport for facts lol

mind you a university course written on facts gathered from wikipedia woudl make a very interesting read for the examiners lol

who discovered gravity - my dad

how many planets are there - acording to starfleet there are 238,000,000

Less 17-06-2009 16:40

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 722495)
wikipedia is a joke and about as reliable as the daily sport for facts lol

Wikipedia is wonderful for making money, bet a fiver, search if the facts don't agree, change them print off collect money.

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mind you a university course written on facts gathered from wikipedia woudl make a very interesting read for the examiners lol

Surely people that have passed the strict entrance exam for Uni' wouldn't do that?

Oh Yeah course they would, that's where they got the answers for the entrance exam!

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who discovered gravity - my dad

When he googled Wiki for it.

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how many planets are there - acording to starfleet there are 238,000,000
don't be silly no student these day's could copy & paste such a big number as, 238 erm' 238,000 erm' 238,000,0 erm' 238,000,00 Oh forget it you know what I mean.

accyman 17-06-2009 16:43

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 722506)
Oh forget it you know what I mean..

even wikipedia dosnt have the answer to that im afraid lol :D

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Did you mean: what does les mean
No article title matches
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special...ess+mean&go=Go

katex 17-06-2009 16:52

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Well if Arno' has his way in California, won't be any text books left in the schools soon .. :rolleyes:

Less 17-06-2009 17:01

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 722510)
Well if Arno' has his way in California, won't be any text books left in the schools soon .. :rolleyes:

Don't Worry Kate,

"They'll Be Back!"

katex 17-06-2009 17:09

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 722513)
Don't Worry Kate,

"They'll Be Back!"

LOL .. could be Less, things have a way of going full circle.

Eric 17-06-2009 17:43

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Is there anything that the internet gives us that we could not do without?

Tin Monkey 17-06-2009 17:58

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 722518)
Is there anything that the internet gives us that we could not do without?

Porn?

Eric 17-06-2009 18:07

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 722522)
Porn?

So whatever happened to a vivid imagination and a strong right hand? It's free, and you can't get a virus;)

Tin Monkey 17-06-2009 18:25

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Porn must be one the biggest ever success stories of the internet.

If I'd have had the internet when I was a teenager, I'd never have left the house!

derekgas 17-06-2009 18:55

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 722518)
Is there anything that the internet gives us that we could not do without?

Instant conversation at a reasonable cost. Instant business transactions, again at a reasonable cost. viewing your banking online, and more, we could do without them, but it would make my life a darn sight harder.

Eric 17-06-2009 18:59

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 722535)
Instant conversation at a reasonable cost. Instant business transactions, again at a reasonable cost. viewing your banking online, and more, we could do without them, but it would make my life a darn sight harder.

I know it would make life harder; I remember growing up in a time when toilet paper was a rarity:eek: But, my question is still ... is there anything the internet offers that we couldn't do without.:confused:

derekgas 17-06-2009 19:09

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No more than many other things, so many parts of our lives are made easier by technology, people would struggle if we had to suddenly go back 20 years.

glasgow guy 17-06-2009 19:18

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the internet gives us...

work
helps us find jobs
television
online banking
online shopping
social life (online one?)
football/sports
helps us trace old friends/relatives
book holidays
and much more probably...

could I do without it? reckon I could to be honest..
I just wonder if kids today could do without it..

glasgow guy 17-06-2009 19:28

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 722540)
No more than many other things, so many parts of our lives are made easier by technology, people would struggle if we had to suddenly go back 20 years.

I wouldnt mind going back 20 years...
couple of things I would do differently...and its very true what you say..
but I reckon some peoples hand writing skills and I daresay grasp of the english language when writing has fallen due to the introduction of the internet purely on the basis that when sending an email you can spellcheck it so it will never be wrong - so really your not actually learning for yourself as it does it for you..and the time you spend online the more emails you may send ( over a set period of years for instance) the less you will write so whe it does come to doing some hand written work it may be substandard..
when was the last time anyone actually sat down and wrote a letter..even essays for school work can be typed up and printed off so the school kids and teachers wont really know how bad their handwriting/spelling may be..
probably not worded that correctly but I am sure you know what I am trying to say...as good as it is - it has its downfalls..

derekgas 17-06-2009 19:34

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Hey! I still spell things wrong on here, even with a spell checker, thats just called lazy lol

cashman 17-06-2009 19:49

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 722510)
Well if Arno' has his way in California, won't be any text books left in the schools soon .. :rolleyes:

can he actually read?:confused:

derekgas 17-06-2009 19:57

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He had to learn when his muscles went mushy cashy!

garinda 18-06-2009 00:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 722555)
can he actually read?:confused:

Mein Kampf, in the original text.

:D

Eric 18-06-2009 00:41

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Originally Posted by glasgow guy (Post 722546)
I wouldnt mind going back 20 years...
couple of things I would do differently...and its very true what you say..
but I reckon some peoples hand writing skills and I daresay grasp of the english language when writing has fallen due to the introduction of the internet purely on the basis that when sending an email you can spellcheck it so it will never be wrong - so really your not actually learning for yourself as it does it for you..and the time you spend online the more emails you may send ( over a set period of years for instance) the less you will write so whe it does come to doing some hand written work it may be substandard..
when was the last time anyone actually sat down and wrote a letter..even essays for school work can be typed up and printed off so the school kids and teachers wont really know how bad their handwriting/spelling may be..
probably not worded that correctly but I am sure you know what I am trying to say...as good as it is - it has its downfalls..

This raises some interesting and serious questions. If, as I believe, technology poses a threat to creativity, then a troubling irony has to be addressed. (Sorry, but after my fifth bottle of Innis and Gunn I'm feeling a tad pedantic). The foundation, or the source, of all technology is human creativity. So is it possible that there is a limit to technological advances? And is that limit the point at which humans cease to be creative? Another point to consider is: is technology making our civilization more durable or more fragile? Perhaps it's not all that good of an idea to put all our eggs in one technological basket. This might make a good SciFi novel;)

Eric 18-06-2009 00:47

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 722606)
Mein Kampf, in the original text.

:D

The original is not only in bad taste, but also in bad German. Queen Mary once remarked that Hitler's German was "execrable", or something like that; and, she was right.:D Maybe Hitler's German was on a par with Arnie's English:)

Mancie 18-06-2009 00:48

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Arnie knows a few words in English..I'm sure "sit down on this..do it now" is the first words he will give to our child born by blood English gent David Cameron.

Eric 18-06-2009 00:55

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 722611)
Arnie knows a few words in English..I'm sure "sit down on this..do it now" is the first words he will give to our child born by blood English gent David Cameron.

Take a hint from Canada ... from time to time, tell the yanks to go take a flying you-know-what at a rolling donut. They'll luv ya for it.;)

Mancie 18-06-2009 00:59

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 722613)
Take a hint from Canada ... from time to time, tell the yanks to go take a flying you-know-what at a rolling donut. They'll luv ya for it.;)

Canadians are English...I'll give you tha call on that mate..but time change ..is this about the BBC?

blazey 18-06-2009 05:54

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 722482)
There was life before life before the internet blazey and ordinary people like yourself still went to Uni, there was just different ways of doing things in those days

My point was that I don't have the same amount of money for books like some people, so I got most of my knowledge from reading stuff on the internet. I wouldn't be anywhere near as knowledgeable if I'd never had it and I always have used the library as soon as I found out one existed. Unfortunately I have always used Ossy library and it isn't the best resourced.

I'll make another thread about the research topic. It would possibly take this thread off on too wide a look at the internet!

garinda 18-06-2009 07:52

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 722610)
The original is not only in bad taste, but also in bad German. Queen Mary once remarked that Hitler's German was "execrable", or something like that; and, she was right.:D Maybe Hitler's German was on a par with Arnie's English:)

Being German herself, she probably looked down on all Austrians, including Herr Hitler, Arnie's fellow compatriot.

garinda 18-06-2009 08:14

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The Royal family should really all be forced to take the British citizen test, before being allowed to settle here permanently, and take advantage of our generous benefits system, and civil list.

jaysay 18-06-2009 08:21

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 722555)
can he actually read?:confused:

Don't know about you cashy, but ain't going to ask him:D

jaysay 18-06-2009 08:29

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 722623)
My point was that I don't have the same amount of money for books like some people, so I got most of my knowledge from reading stuff on the internet. I wouldn't be anywhere near as knowledgeable if I'd never had it and I always have used the library as soon as I found out one existed. Unfortunately I have always used Ossy library and it isn't the best resourced.

I'll make another thread about the research topic. It would possibly take this thread off on too wide a look at the internet!

Money ain't got anything to do with it, there was far less money flying about when I was your age blazey. Maybe the way children are taught has changed from our day, your studies for exam purposes were set on the text books recommended to cover the subject by exam boards, from what I hear and read that don't seem the case today. I certainly know one thing we weren't allowed things like calculators into exam rooms and any workings of a maths problem had to be detailed as part of the answer

blazey 18-06-2009 08:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 722656)
Money ain't got anything to do with it, there was far less money flying about when I was your age blazey. Maybe the way children are taught has changed from our day, your studies for exam purposes were set on the text books recommended to cover the subject by exam boards, from what I hear and read that don't seem the case today. I certainly know one thing we weren't allowed things like calculators into exam rooms and any workings of a maths problem had to be detailed as part of the answer

When I was at school we had a calculator and non-calculator paper. We weren't taught from text books at primary school either, it was all on the board stuff, and mostly the same at high school apart from some subjects.

Obviously education changes over time though, that happens because knowledge changes over time.

I obviously know how I've learnt what I know, and I'm obviously aware of what other resources are available to me at home to learn from and I am positive that I wouldn't know nearly have as much as I know now without the internet. It is an actual fact and it ties into the other thread about the library really. That was my source of information from a young age. The internet (thankfully) replaced that so I can get more up to date information and I didn't have to walk miles to get it.

I wouldn't have bothered reading new information every day if I had had to walk all the way to accrington.

jaysay 18-06-2009 10:09

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 722672)
When I was at school we had a calculator and non-calculator paper. We weren't taught from text books at primary school either, it was all on the board stuff, and mostly the same at high school apart from some subjects.

Obviously education changes over time though, that happens because knowledge changes over time.

I obviously know how I've learnt what I know, and I'm obviously aware of what other resources are available to me at home to learn from and I am positive that I wouldn't know nearly have as much as I know now without the internet. It is an actual fact and it ties into the other thread about the library really. That was my source of information from a young age. The internet (thankfully) replaced that so I can get more up to date information and I didn't have to walk miles to get it.

I wouldn't have bothered reading new information every day if I had had to walk all the way to accrington.

Knowledge changes over time:confused: knowledge is knowledge blazey, it doesn't change, you just have the ability to add to what you know. I'm 63 in a months time and I learn something new every day, especially on here, nobody knows everything, your always learning from the day you born until the day you die. People in my age group call it the University of Life, which is probably the best one your ever likely to learn from;)

Tealeaf 18-06-2009 10:15

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 722703)
People in my age group call it the University of Life, which is probably the best one your ever likely to learn from;)

The best university there is, Jaysay, especially if you attend the Faculty of Street Science within the School of Hard Knocks and you're good enough to come away as a P.hD (Perpetual heavy Drinker).

shillelagh 18-06-2009 14:58

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 722708)
The best university there is, Jaysay, especially if you attend the Faculty of Street Science within the School of Hard Knocks and you're good enough to come away as a P.hD (Perpetual heavy Drinker).


Theres the terrible trio ... theyve got their P.hD in that ... and trying for accylass to join them as well .... :D:D:D

blazey 25-06-2009 15:43

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I learn something new on here quite often too, but it isn't often anything more than pub quiz trivia (they do a lovely quiz about lancashire on a canal barge on Lancaster canal).

As a law student I depend on online databases for most of my information. There is a law library in the library at university but obviously I come home sometimes but still need to study. Where do you suppose I would get my information from when I am at home? I am here for a few weeks before I go back to University and I have my dissertation to write and work for exams to do. Without the internet I wouldn't be able to come home for the Summer.

jaysay 25-06-2009 16:02

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 724389)
I learn something new on here quite often too, but it isn't often anything more than pub quiz trivia (they do a lovely quiz about lancashire on a canal barge on Lancaster canal).

As a law student I depend on online databases for most of my information. There is a law library in the library at university but obviously I come home sometimes but still need to study. Where do you suppose I would get my information from when I am at home? I am here for a few weeks before I go back to University and I have my dissertation to write and work for exams to do. Without the internet I wouldn't be able to come home for the Summer.

The world didn't start when the internet was invented, people found ways of doing things prior to its inception

blazey 26-06-2009 02:17

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 724394)
The world didn't start when the internet was invented, people found ways of doing things prior to its inception

That doesn't mean things can be reversed just as easily. I'm from a generation that has developed into adulthood with technology. It might be simpler for you to rewind and like I said, I would cope fine but it would ultimately mean I have less time at home with my family, because I just wouldn't be able to work from home.

jaysay 26-06-2009 09:44

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 724539)
That doesn't mean things can be reversed just as easily. I'm from a generation that has developed into adulthood with technology. It might be simpler for you to rewind and like I said, I would cope fine but it would ultimately mean I have less time at home with my family, because I just wouldn't be able to work from home.

Well I maybe able to give you 40 odd years blazey but I can't understand your logic, there was I thinking that todays up and coming generation were far more resourceful and are more adaptable than their predecessors, seems I was wrong:rolleyes:

MargaretR 26-06-2009 11:33

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The internet has provided the worlwide dissemination of knowledge, which has transformed our view of the world.

jaysay 26-06-2009 16:06

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 724639)
The internet has provided the worlwide dissemination of knowledge, which has transformed our view of the world.

Don't think there is anybody disputing that Margaret, but from what blazey keeps saying it seems its take away the art of improvisation, on the lines of OH MY GOD I'VE NO INTERNET ITS THE END OF MY WORLD AS I KNOW IT:eek::eek::eek::eek:

blazey 26-06-2009 17:02

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 724671)
Don't think there is anybody disputing that Margaret, but from what blazey keeps saying it seems its take away the art of improvisation, on the lines of OH MY GOD I'VE NO INTERNET ITS THE END OF MY WORLD AS I KNOW IT:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Well how would I have access to the case reports at home without the internet? There isn't an up to date library with them for miles. I can't just 'improvise' if there is nothing to improvise with, so I'd have to stay in Lancaster and I wouldn't be able to come home.

Provide me with a solution that would work and I'll admit I am wrong, but to just keep telling me I am wrong and not suggesting an alternative is pretty useless.

MargaretR 26-06-2009 17:35

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I have to admit that it would be the end of mine.
I remember how to live without it, but life with it is so much easier.

Bernard Dawson 26-06-2009 20:31

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 724688)
Well how would I have access to the case reports at home without the internet? There isn't an up to date library with them for miles. I can't just 'improvise' if there is nothing to improvise with, so I'd have to stay in Lancaster and I wouldn't be able to come home.

Provide me with a solution that would work and I'll admit I am wrong, but to just keep telling me I am wrong and not suggesting an alternative is pretty useless.


People did, and got good degrees before the internet came along.

Many years ago I used to get on the bus and go to Manchester Central Library.I didn't do law, but Manchester Central Library was a good source for books I needed.

katex 26-06-2009 21:05

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 724671)
but from what blazey keeps saying it seems its take away the art of improvisation, on the lines of OH MY GOD I'VE NO INTERNET ITS THE END OF MY WORLD AS I KNOW IT:eek::eek::eek::eek:

But it's not going to go away Jaysay, and will only get better in leaps and bounds. Suppose the best thing is you can google a specific subject and it is there before you can say 'Jack Robinson' ( LOL .. is that the correct name ?).
New world, get over it.
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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 724725)
People did, and got good degrees before the internet came along.

Many years ago I used to get on the bus and go to Manchester Central Library.I didn't do law, but Manchester Central Library was a good source for books I needed.

Of course people got good degrees, but there has so much been added now whether it be law, medicine, science,history or geography. Saves time.

Lancaster, where Blazey goes, has a wonderful library too.

Bernard Dawson 26-06-2009 21:34

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I don't disagree Kate, I was just pointing out that it was possible to do a degree without the Internet. The Internet has opened up tremendous possibilities, and I am sure that it's a big help to students, no matter what subject they are studying.

jaysay 27-06-2009 09:02

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 724698)
I have to admit that it would be the end of mine.
I remember how to live without it, but life with it is so much easier.

It wouldn't if you were still 20 Margaret:rolleyes: like myself, for you the internet has been a god send, it does make life easier, especially for shopping

Benipete 27-06-2009 11:29

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It's wonderful to know I have taught so many people so much and in such a short space of time.:hehetable:hidewall:

jaysay 27-06-2009 12:35

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 724805)
It's wonderful to know I have taught so many people so much and in such a short space of time.:hehetable:hidewall:

There you go, selling yourself short again Beni:D

blazey 27-06-2009 14:07

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I'll just wave my magic wand and generate enough money to go to a library out of town every day.

I don't even have the money to get to Accrington. I walk from Oswaldtwistle. And obviously it costs the same to get to Lancaster as it does to Manchester, so I'd go there before I went to Manchester. And if it was that easy to get to Lancaster then I wouldn't live there in the first place, I'd just commute and save money on rent.

I think some people forget that this isn't actually their 'day' any more and that things have drastically changed in society, not just in regards to education but the way things are done in general. Maybe I should research how people lived before YOUR time and then bring it up every time you suggest something?

I was talking to a man in the Arndale yesterday about the regeneration of the town and he said that the older members of the community have a really bad attitude to change and he was really keen to get me to have my say on it. I think it is absolutely shocking that the first thing I hear from a stranger when I am home is that the older generation don't care enough about this town to have a positive attitude towards its regeneration.

It's a real shame that every time I come home that this town has crumbled a little bit more. To say you're so passionate about emphasising the quality of your day Jaysay, you don't do very much to persuade me that you have anything useful to suggest each time to try to shoot down my arguments.

Do you think you are a valuable member of society?

jaysay 27-06-2009 15:29

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 724824)
I'll just wave my magic wand and generate enough money to go to a library out of town every day.

I don't even have the money to get to Accrington. I walk from Oswaldtwistle. And obviously it costs the same to get to Lancaster as it does to Manchester, so I'd go there before I went to Manchester. And if it was that easy to get to Lancaster then I wouldn't live there in the first place, I'd just commute and save money on rent.

I think some people forget that this isn't actually their 'day' any more and that things have drastically changed in society, not just in regards to education but the way things are done in general. Maybe I should research how people lived before YOUR time and then bring it up every time you suggest something?

I was talking to a man in the Arndale yesterday about the regeneration of the town and he said that the older members of the community have a really bad attitude to change and he was really keen to get me to have my say on it. I think it is absolutely shocking that the first thing I hear from a stranger when I am home is that the older generation don't care enough about this town to have a positive attitude towards its regeneration.

It's a real shame that every time I come home that this town has crumbled a little bit more. To say you're so passionate about emphasising the quality of your day Jaysay, you don't do very much to persuade me that you have anything useful to suggest each time to try to shoot down my arguments.

Do you think you are a valuable member of society?

Unfortunately I'm rather limited these days, but if by the time you get to 63 you have done half of the things I've done you will have been a very busy girl, alas I feel you may not make it as you do far much pontificating and feeling sorry for down trodden students such as yourself, to make a lasting impact, so I feel sure you'll never get the T Shirt, but not to worry you can always borrow mine:D

blazey 27-06-2009 15:32

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 724833)
Unfortunately I'm rather limited these days, but if by the time you get to 63 you have done half of the things I've done you will have been a very busy girl, alas I feel you may not make it as you do far much pontificating and feeling sorry for down trodden students such as yourself, to make a lasting impact, so I feel sure you'll never get the T Shirt, but not to worry you can always borrow mine:D

When I reach 63 we will be in a very different world to what we live in today. I'd like to move with the change rather than stay in the past.

jaysay 28-06-2009 09:53

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 724835)
When I reach 63 we will be in a very different world to what we live in today. I'd like to move with the change rather than stay in the past.

How the hell do you think I've managed since I was 20, I certainly didn't stand still:rolleyes:

blazey 28-06-2009 20:06

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 725055)
How the hell do you think I've managed since I was 20, I certainly didn't stand still:rolleyes:

I love to see people dodge the issues they themselves have brought up.

lancsdave 28-06-2009 21:16

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 724824)
I think it is absolutely shocking that the first thing I hear from a stranger when I am home is that the older generation don't care enough about this town to have a positive attitude towards its regeneration.


Do you think the older generation of any village/town or city in the UK ( maybe even the world ) would be any different ?.

jaysay 29-06-2009 09:46

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 725206)
I love to see people dodge the issues they themselves have brought up.

I've never dodged issues in my life, in fact from being 16 to 21 I worked full time and did 3 night at tech to gain my working knowledge and have now spent the last 42 years in the University of life, this is one University where you don't do dissertations or exams but you learn from day to day until the day you die, life itself is a learning curve and you may do well to remember that we small fact:rolleyes:

blazey 29-06-2009 12:30

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 725314)
I've never dodged issues in my life, in fact from being 16 to 21 I worked full time and did 3 night at tech to gain my working knowledge and have now spent the last 42 years in the University of life, this is one University where you don't do dissertations or exams but you learn from day to day until the day you die, life itself is a learning curve and you may do well to remember that we small fact:rolleyes:


I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I access law reports at home without the internet.

jaysay 29-06-2009 16:14

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 725346)
I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I access law reports at home without the internet.

Hang on a bit I have a mate who did what you are doing but about 40 years ago, i'm sure he found ways of doing things in the summer during the day whilst going out on the lash with his mates at night, and he did it in Ossy too, mind you he was very resourceful and a go getter:rolleyes:

blazey 29-06-2009 16:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 725398)
Hang on a bit I have a mate who did what you are doing but about 40 years ago, i'm sure he found ways of doing things in the summer during the day whilst going out on the lash with his mates at night, and he did it in Ossy too, mind you he was very resourceful and a go getter:rolleyes:

Am I meant to be impressed by someone who claims to be resourceful just because they go out to get ****ed? You can get average marks with 100% reliance on abstracts in the text books that we have to buy, but I'm not a big fan of that. It's just lazy.

I have two jobs over Summer and so I will be going back to Lancaster soon enough anyway. Thanks for your advice. :rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 29-06-2009 17:10

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Blazey, you are rude and arrogant.
What makes you think that life only started when you made an entrance to this planet?

Students managed long before the internet, they just had to be more effective in managing their time......if you knew you were not going to have access to the internet, then just maybe you would have made an effort to access the case files you needed from whatever source before you left uni for the summer recess.

And I am having 'my time' now.....you will find that wherever you are in your life....it is still your 'time'.........like Jaysay, my University is the university of life....and there are people on here who have forgotten more than you will ever know.

By the way, this is no more a personal attack than your comments are to other people.

Margaret Pilkington 29-06-2009 17:29

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And as for the issue on the regeneration subject....why should you care what happens in Accrington?
You have made no secret of the fact that you think it is a backwater, and all of us who live here are no better than we ought to be.
Maybe the older generations who were asked for their opinions can remember when Accrington had a busy thriving market....and people used to come just for that alone....maybe these people can remember when the town was a hive of industry, maybe these people have seen what a shambles has been made of other projects that were supposed to make the town a better, more pleasant place to live.

It isn't negativity, it is their opinion, and they were asked for their opinion.

According to you, you are going to be hot footing it out of the area as fast as your legs will take you, so it shouldn't really matter much to you anyway.

garinda 29-06-2009 18:24

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He's at Lancaster.

Perhaps he's also doing Law.

Robber used Facebook from Lancaster Prsion - Morecambe Today

blazey 29-06-2009 18:39

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Like I said to the man who asked me my opinion, I do expect to move away but I still have my family here who don't intend on leaving, and it would be nice to be able to say where I come from and have some pride about it.

Instead it's close enough to Burnley to be linked with the BNP, and our exciting town history is shadowed by how depressing the place is now because all the shops are shutting.

Also, there are hundreds of case reports that I need, even my reasonably brand new laptop would not take too kindly to be storing them on my laptop, though I do have many on various pen drives. The trouble is when I need more and there is nowhere to go to get them.

It's a shame Accrington isn't a bit more like Lancaster actually, it once had that same character, but whilst Lancaster has embraced other cultures and new developments, Accrington seems to have rejected it. It's all just a great shame I think. A great shame indeed.

Also, there is always problems like these between generations so I'm not going to take offence. I was simply repeating what the man said to me because it was quite interesting. The regeneration is quite interesting too. I'd say the biggest that accrington has ever had. It's a shame that it is being shunned by cynics.

blazey 29-06-2009 18:42

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To be honest, I'm just sick of hearing about the past as well. It's like people just don't want to accept today. Accrington NEEDS to change. If people aren't willing to help with that, whatever way it is done, then their opinion, whilst valid, isn't really helping anyone is it.

Comments like 'you're leaving so it doesn't matter to you anyway' are stupid. Any one of us might die tomorrow and we're definitely going to die anyway, so maybe we should just sit at our laptops on accyweb and wait. How about that?

Margaret Pilkington 29-06-2009 19:07

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Of course Accrington needs change, but it needs the right sort of change, the right sort of regeneration, and patently that hasn't happened so far, even with all the money that has been invested in the main shopping area. It has all been tinkering round the edges......and I can't see anything changing that soon.
I would embrace change if I thought it would make Accrington vibrant again......but to be honest I haven't seen anything that has that capability.

You want Accrington to be more like Lancaster...perhaps we should build a prison here....it would bring employment and a tourism of sorts into the town.

And labelling comments that you don't like, as 'stupid', is immature and shows a lack of grasp of the discussion.

I am not going to sit on my laptop and wait, though of course you can do that because you have time on your side.
And as far as dying tomorrow, well I have far too much to do.

Eric 29-06-2009 19:44

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 725422)
To be honest, I'm just sick of hearing about the past as well. It's like people just don't want to accept today. Accrington NEEDS to change. If people aren't willing to help with that, whatever way it is done, then their opinion, whilst valid, isn't really helping anyone is it.

Comments like 'you're leaving so it doesn't matter to you anyway' are stupid. Any one of us might die tomorrow and we're definitely going to die anyway, so maybe we should just sit at our laptops on accyweb and wait. How about that?

What a crock of horse manure! A complete misunderstanding of the physics and the philosophy of time and the nature of human memory. Time compartmentalized! The past as some alien entity! The present as a an isolated "today" .... this is mindless garbage, or, if not mindless, solipsistic. And "Accrington NEEDS to change"! How do you know? And what is "Accrington"? Is it an artifact? An idea? Or is it something that is "a part of all that it has met"? Perhaps you could consider thinking before orating.

BERNADETTE 29-06-2009 20:13

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How on earth did people ever manage to study for degrees before the internet arrived? They must have had to study cases just like you do so maybe they had to carry a load of paperwork around with them. Maybe that isn't an option people would choose by choice but if it was the only option available and you were intent on studying you would have to use it. Maybe you would have less time to come on here insulting everybody if the case notes weren't available at your figertips:rolleyes:

lancsdave 29-06-2009 20:36

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 725437)
Maybe you would have less time to come on here insulting everybody if the case notes weren't available at your figertips:rolleyes:


She's saving all the replies to use in a libel case ;)

BERNADETTE 29-06-2009 20:42

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 725445)
She's saving all the replies to use in a libel case ;)

Now I'm frightened:eek::eek::p

Eric 29-06-2009 21:12

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 725437)
How on earth did people ever manage to study for degrees before the internet arrived? They must have had to study cases just like you do so maybe they had to carry a load of paperwork around with them. Maybe that isn't an option people would choose by choice but if it was the only option available and you were intent on studying you would have to use it. Maybe you would have less time to come on here insulting everybody if the case notes weren't available at your figertips:rolleyes:

I earned all my degrees (which I have on the wall of my bathroom, so that I can marvel at my intellect when I take a dump:eek:;)) before the internet arrived. We read books (definition available on request) ... and if the books were not there, we had inter-library (place where they have lotsa books) loans ... most of my papers (some of which, I'm ashamed to say, were bad enough to be published) I typed on a machine they called a typewriter. But maybe I shouldn't talk about the past; it smacks of "fogeyism" ... and my mind feels so out of date:rolleyes:

lancsdave 29-06-2009 21:25

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 725456)
so that I can marvel at my intellect when I take a dump:eek:;))


If it wasn't for the internet and the use of virtual toilets I wouldn't be able to go for a dump. I'm grateful I didn't live in the olden days when there were no virtual toilets, how did people have a dump then ?:confused:

andrewb 29-06-2009 22:03

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The internet is a fantastic resource, but I can't foresee it replacing the 'old' media anytime soon.

Eric 29-06-2009 22:08

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 725458)
If it wasn't for the internet and the use of virtual toilets I wouldn't be able to go for a dump. I'm grateful I didn't live in the olden days when there were no virtual toilets, how did people have a dump then ?:confused:

Down at the bottom of the yard .... with the tippler tank ... and after your dump you could make use of the newspaper .... some papers are better as asswipe than they are as reliable media;) Those were the days when a Sunday joint was something you ate with yorkshire and two veg, not something you smoked to get the munchies, so that even stale pizza tastes great:theband:

suedarbo 30-06-2009 01:31

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 725401)
Am I meant to be impressed by someone who claims to be resourceful just because they go out to get ****ed? You can get average marks with 100% reliance on abstracts in the text books that we have to buy, but I'm not a big fan of that. It's just lazy.

I have two jobs over Summer and so I will be going back to Lancaster soon enough anyway. Thanks for your advice. :rolleyes:

Have you got any respect for your elders at all? If I was your mum I'd be ashamed and embarrassed. ( I'd also give you a bloody good hiding! ) Get some bloody respect! My son is 21, never been to uni but been to college. He has a very good job, earning very good money, he would NEVER speak to his elders like you do. You make me mad the way you speak to people on here that know more than you ever will! Grow UP!

suedarbo 30-06-2009 01:44

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 725456)
I earned all my degrees (which I have on the wall of my bathroom, so that I can marvel at my intellect when I take a dump:eek:;)) before the internet arrived. We read books (definition available on request) ... and if the books were not there, we had inter-library (place where they have lotsa books) loans ... most of my papers (some of which, I'm ashamed to say, were bad enough to be published) I typed on a machine they called a typewriter. But maybe I shouldn't talk about the past; it smacks of "fogeyism" ... and my mind feels so out of date:rolleyes:

Your degree means more. You didn't copy it from Google :enough:


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