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katex 27-06-2009 19:35
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Eeew that roll of honour monument looks fantastic. When I passed on Thursday morning, the workers were there just running their hands down the grey stone. Wondered how they were going to carve all those names on it in time ... but understand now .... :D

Gayle 27-06-2009 21:23
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 724887)
Not my normal position, defending Peter Britcliffe (:eek:), but as far as I'm aware, he and other Oswaldtwistle councillors were instrumental in the refurbishing of the War Memorial, and the organisation of the rededication, and I'd have been more shocked if they weren't there. Though I agree about using a wreath to promote any political party is a bit iffy, in my opinion.
It's not my normal position either (:D) but in defence of Peter - it wasn't just the Tories that had the political party in the wreath, Labour did as well. As it happens pretty much the first thing that Peter said to me was that he didn't order the wreath and that he didn't know it was going to have Conservative in the middle - it was an unprompted statement from him because I hadn't even looked at them at that stage.

Instead of seeing it as promotion of any political party can't we just see it in the same way as signing a condolence card? You don't send a card without telling people who it's from.

katex 27-06-2009 21:37
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 724946)

Instead of seeing it as promotion of any political party can't we just see it in the same way as signing a condolence card? You don't send a card without telling people who it's from.
Don't wish to cause any further controversial remarks over such an emotional occasion, but suppose would have been better for a wreath to have been laid just from the HBC. For once united in their respect.

Gayle 27-06-2009 22:06
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I appreciate what you're saying Kate but I think it's just a standard thing for both parties to put their own down.

I am a tiny bit puzzled by the wreaths though as it wasn't poppy day was it - I thought that was in November.

garinda 27-06-2009 23:53
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 724946)
You don't send a card without telling people who it's from.
Perhaps not, but I also wouldn't send a card emblazoned with my ugly mug on the front either.

The wreathes laid at the Cenotaph don't have who they're from plastered all over them, and like you say yesterday wasn't Rememberance Day anyway.

jaysay 28-06-2009 09:44
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 724887)
Not my normal position, defending Peter Britcliffe (:eek:), but as far as I'm aware, he and other Oswaldtwistle councillors were instrumental in the refurbishing of the War Memorial, and the organisation of the rededication, and I'd have been more shocked if they weren't there. Though I agree about using a wreath to promote any political party is a bit iffy, in my opinion.

I do think it looks great, and we're lucky to have one of the most beautiful war memorials in the country.

As it is for many other people, the place is very special to my family. For my mum, growing up without a dad, who'd been killed in Normandy aged 22, just months before she was born, it is the nearest thing she had/has to a grave to visit.

My grandfather's great grandson was very proud to march with the cubs, in today's rededication procession.
Gayle didn't miss PB he's on the first photo and seeing he has worked for Ossy tirelessly over the last twenty five years, why shouldn't he be there. The fact is that most of the time PB doesn't ask to have a photo included in the press, as they use pics taken years ago

Bernard Dawson 28-06-2009 10:27
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 724946)
It's not my normal position either (:D) but in defence of Peter - it wasn't just the Tories that had the political party in the wreath, Labour did as well. As it happens pretty much the first thing that Peter said to me was that he didn't order the wreath and that he didn't know it was going to have Conservative in the middle - it was an unprompted statement from him because I hadn't even looked at them at that stage.

Instead of seeing it as promotion of any political party can't we just see it in the same way as signing a condolence card? You don't send a card without telling people who it's from.
It's not a political thing as you say Gayle. It's standard practice at the remembrance day service for the different political parties to lay a wreath.

The Mayor lays a wreath on behalf of the Borough, as he did yesterday.

As far as I can remember the wreaths have always had the logo's of the various parties on the wreath. Also it's the British Legion I think who get the wreaths for us.

jaysay 28-06-2009 10:31
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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 725070)
It's not a political thing as you say Gayle. It's standard practice at the remembrance day service for the different political parties to lay a wreath.

The Mayor lays a wreath on behalf of the Borough, as he did yesterday.

As far as I can remember the wreaths have always had the logo's of the various parties on the wreath. Also it's the British Legion I think who get the wreaths for us.
Think your spot on there Bernard, thats how I've always seen it too

Gayle 28-06-2009 10:36
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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 725070)
It's not a political thing as you say Gayle. It's standard practice at the remembrance day service for the different political parties to lay a wreath.

The Mayor lays a wreath on behalf of the Borough, as he did yesterday.

As far as I can remember the wreaths have always had the logo's of the various parties on the wreath. Also it's the British Legion I think who get the wreaths for us.
That's what I was saying. I was pointing out that it's normal to have the parties represented individually - I wasn't complaining or commenting against it, just saying that it was the tradition.

I was just asking the people who HAD complained that they could perhaps try to interpret it differently - and not get worked up about something that is just standard practice.

garinda 28-06-2009 11:34
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Perhaps our political parties should follow the Queen's example.

Her wreath is made out of poppies, and is not used to promote anyone other than rememberig the fallen.

A discreet card is fine, saying who it's from, but a wreath carrying an obvious logo, used as some sort of self promotion/advertising, is more than a bit naff.

Just my opinion, but using people's deaths for means other than rememberance, gets on my goat.

jaysay 28-06-2009 12:48
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 725090)
Perhaps our political parties should follow the Queen's example.

Her wreath is made out of poppies, and is not used to promote anyone other than rememberig the fallen.

A discreet card is fine, saying who it's from, but a wreath carrying an obvious logo, used as some sort of self promotion/advertising, is more than a bit naff.

Just my opinion, but using people's deaths for means other than rememberance, gets on my goat.
Sometimes I think politicians are damned if they do and damned if they don't can't win really can they:rolleyes:

garinda 28-06-2009 13:15
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 725114)
Sometimes I think politicians are damned if they do and damned if they don't can't win really can they:rolleyes:
Political parties are free to lay wreathes, just as other organisations are, but if they use that act as a form of advertising, it's more than a little disatasteful in my opinion.

The same sort of distaste that comes from making a big song and dance about charitable donations.

Naff, and not very charitable, to my way of thinking.

Bernard Dawson 28-06-2009 19:15
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The laying of wreaths on Remembrance day is one of the few occasions when political parties actually put aside their differences.

It's not about self promotion, or advertising any political party. It's about showing respect and remembering those who have given their lives in the service of their country.

katex 28-06-2009 19:38
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So, what do the Independents do Bernard ? Obviously we have only 3 categories of political parties on our council.

Bernard Dawson 28-06-2009 19:54
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I was just making the point Kate, that when it comes to remembrance day politicians of all political parties including independents do tend to put aside their differences.


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