Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 729723)

now that you simply can't say and I hope you acknowledge it Rindy. No one can say where and when would have introduced something if it hadn't been done by someone earlier.


To claim otherwise is simply lies and conjecture

Originally Posted by spex357 (Post 729759)

I have been lucky to have suffered no illness in my life so far and hope i make it to the end before charges come in but there are charges around today, its not everything that you get fully without charge even if your on the dole. Will we be able to reduce our N.I contributions?, probably not. Could we have it set on a limit for the year per person and roll it over indefinately if you didnt use it, i read somewhere we pay over £3400 a year for each working person into the National Health fund and by now i could afford some of the more expensive treatments.

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 729795)

I hope not .. because what would happen if you went over the limit .. i had 3 ambulances here last sunday .. how much would that cost .. then my prescriptions i get every month, visits to the neurologist and my doctors, visits to casualty .. so far this year ive had 3 trips in ambulances, 4 visits to casualty, about 10 visits to the docs, 1 visit to the neurologist, 2 emergency visits to the dentist, ... what would all that come to ...

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 729798)

If you were a horse Jen we would just shoot you and save the money :p:p :D:D:D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 729798)

If you were a horse Jen we would just shoot you and save the money :p:p :D:D:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 729805)

Hey Neil don't you be giving Spugs ideas:D

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 729766)

I haven't. what I have argued against is your statement that no future Tory goverment would have introduced it. you simply can't say either way.

You are not party to the discussion or internal politics that would or could have taken place. Once somthing is formed who can ever say that if it hadn't at that point then it would never have existed at all.

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 729812)

I agree with Jaysay and Bernadette, at the expense of sounding racist again, if the free health care was for people within the tax system, and not available to all, it would make a huge difference, if you go on holiday to another country, you take health insurance, or suffer the consequences. I also do not think the tories would ever have introduced free health care, and agree that Labour have (since the tories were last in power) continued to ruin the NHS, again because they neglected to change things that the tories had put in place, as with many things. Labour have been utter rubbish, but I still wouldn't have the tories back, I remember what happened last time they were here.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 729820)

As to what I am party too, I've never posted about what I spoke to Thatcher about when I dined with her, or might also have been privy to at subsequent dinners, with other influential Tories at the Carlton Club.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 729821)

Unfortunately derek every Labour Government has made pigs ear of running the country, this one more than any, they promised the earth then as was predicted they screwed up big time, like they always do, but this time its a complete nightmare, we will be saddled with debt for generations, and we have a Prime Minister and cabinet in total denial

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 729891)

you do live in a dream Jaysay...this is what I would call making a "pigs ear" out of running this country...3.5 million unemployed... patients dying on beds in hospital corridors..people only allowed to work 3 days a week...power cuts..Thatcher telling peolpe to use 7 inches of water to have a bath and use candles...riots on the streets..I could fill the page
ah the good old days!

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 729905)

to be fair teh riots on the streets were mainly over poll tax in london.