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steeljack 12-08-2009 23:48

Lockerbie bomber to be set free ..
 
no way in hell can I believe that this guy is going to be "returned" to Libya, he has served less than 20 yrs since his conviction for killing 270 people, (259 on the Pan-Am jet and 11 on the ground )

BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Lockerbie bomber 'to be released'

nothing about the story in the US media yet , and no comments so far from Obama or Hillary Clinton .
I appreciate there has been some question about the validity of the conviction , but this should be sorted out first, before any release :( :(

harwood red 12-08-2009 23:59

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I can't believe that they are gonna let him out, he should never see the light of day again and I mean that literally in solitary confinement with no natural light

garinda 13-08-2009 00:10

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"Although there has been no confirmed evidence as to a deterioration of the prisoner's condition it is believed that he's not a very well man and as happened in England last week with Ronnie Biggs I think on this occasion, Mr MacAskill has been moved to grant compassionate release if it is confirmed.'

Lockerbie bomber 'to be released' - Telegraph

Looks like Bigg's early release from his sentence last week is setting a legal precedent.

Do the crime, do the time....unless you're poorly, then you'll be released anyway.:mad:

accyman 13-08-2009 00:23

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next they will be sending binladen an blue peter badge

let him die in prison and withhold medical treatment so he can experience some of teh pain he put his victims and their families through

entwisi 13-08-2009 07:11

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compassion, I'm happy for us to show him the same compassion he showed the people on that plane.........

Taggy 13-08-2009 07:30

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Compassionate Release should NEVER be considered for Mass Murdering Scum like this!!!! Apparently its being timed so he can be home with his family in time for Ramadan.....because he's a RELIGEOUS MAN!!! Like Hell he is!!:mad:

Best Regards - Taggy

Restless 13-08-2009 07:38

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its religion that makes them do these things!
Extremists prey on the weak and twist their minds untill they think this kind of thing will get them into heaven......Sad it is...then again i disdain all religions.

But what next? Peado's getting out of prison cause they are dying of cancer...getting released in time for christmas... MEH

MargaretR 13-08-2009 07:49

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I am not jumping on the bandwagon of outrage, because for all we know he could have been a 'patsy'.
Police coached Lockerbie witness to identify Libyan as bomber, appeal lawyers claim | UK news | The Guardian

Taggy 13-08-2009 07:50

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Religeon doesn't MAKE people do anything, we all have a choice!!

Best REgards - Taggy

Taggy 13-08-2009 07:52

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 735884)
I am not jumping on the bandwagon of outrage, because for all we know he could have been a 'patsy'.
Police coached Lockerbie witness to identify Libyan as bomber, appeal lawyers claim | UK news | The Guardian


Still shouldn't be freed until the appeals process has been dealt with!!


Best Regards - Taggy

Boeing Guy 13-08-2009 07:52

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Not wanting to sound like one of our resident conspiracy theorists, however, there was a lot wrong with the prosecutions case.

Private Eye have campaigned against this man's conviction as they believe it is unsafe and he could be innocent. They even made a book about it.

Restless 13-08-2009 07:53

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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 735885)
Religeon doesn't MAKE people do anything, we all have a choice!!

Best REgards - Taggy


if that were the case then 270 people died from that bomb 'just for fun of blowing them up' FFS its directly the relgions fault but only by false teaching

Taggy 13-08-2009 07:56

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No Religeon teaches people to blow up people in planes!!! Its extremists using religeon as an excuse...not religeon itself FFS!!!!


Best Regards - Taggy

Restless 13-08-2009 07:58

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Yes exactly my point FFFFSSSSS! :)

Restless 13-08-2009 07:59

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i saw an interview of a muslim on tv that said the same thing that the extremists are not the ones doing the bombing but rather exploiting the minds of the weak and mindwarping individuals into doing these horrible actions that even end up in the loss of thier own lives

jaysay 13-08-2009 08:39

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 735892)
i saw an interview of a muslim on tv that said the same thing that the extremists are not the ones doing the bombing but rather exploiting the minds of the weak and mindwarping individuals into doing these horrible actions that even end up in the loss of thier own lives

I think that is spot on, if it was such a wonderful thing to die for their religion why is Bin Laden still alive or Captain Hook, surely if this as such a wonderful religious commitment they would have been fighting to die in the first wave of suicide bombers:(

garinda 13-08-2009 10:45

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Let's hope Rose West doesn't have a case of terminal piles, or she'll be the next one to walk free.

Albeit walking a little funny.

accyman 13-08-2009 22:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 735889)
No Religeon teaches people to blow up people in planes!!! Its extremists using religeon as an excuse...not religeon itself FFS!!!!


Best Regards - Taggy

exactly

religion teaches you that your all forgiving god will either smite thee or turn you into a pilar of salt if you annoy him NOT tell you to blow planes up :D

oh and if you not home by midnight your coach will turn into a pumpkin..


or is that from another fairytale ?

Restless 14-08-2009 01:06

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i imagine you are suggesting that religions are just twisted and novelistic forms of fairytales

accyman 14-08-2009 01:09

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 736169)
i imagine you are suggesting that religions are just twisted and novelistic forms of fairytales

yeah just a bigger book thats all..

more to wipe your arse with though i suppose :D


everyone is entitled to believe in god but if you do...

your wrong ;)

Restless 14-08-2009 01:11

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 736170)

everyone is entitled to belive in god but if you do...

your wrong ;)

ill drink to that!

accyman 14-08-2009 01:13

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 736171)
ill drink to that!

you cant you will get in troble , booze is the devils brew ..

unless you say its christs blood and dish it out with a prawn cracker lol

and a quire boy for desert :rolleyes:

Restless 14-08-2009 01:22

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 736172)
you cant you will get in troble , booze is the devils brew ..

unless you say its christs blood and dish it out with a prawn cracker lol

and a quire boy for desert :rolleyes:

Hmm those bread things...Its supposed to resemble bread isnt it? Its like a round of rice paper..like those 1p sheets sold in 80's I think those actually taste better than prawn crackers. But then again i havent 'been' to church since i went to that sunday school back around 1987 on cannon street or whatever its called so i dunno.... incidently the only thing i really remember about sunday school was 1) on your birthday you got sweets(ooh the incentive right?) 2) colouring and playing games and 3) Going into church and being passed polomints by the woman there at the time... i think this was supposed to take the edge off the bordom...or actually to make you look like you were singing along

and i dont get where the drinking of blood comes from. Did christ gather with his deciples and drink the blood of virgins? Or did he just have some really killer house wine

accyman 14-08-2009 03:38

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 736174)
Its like a round of rice paper..like those 1p sheets sold in 80's

aye but some bright spark took 2 of those round pieces of paper and stuck sherbet inbetween and made fizzy saucers ..


some good did come out of religion after all :D

http://www.sweetgreetingsshildon.co....ng-saucers.JPG

Restless 14-08-2009 03:58

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 736179)
aye but some bright spark took 2 of those round pieces of paper and stuck sherbet inbetween and made fizzy saucers ..


some good did come out of religion after all :D

http://www.sweetgreetingsshildon.co....ng-saucers.JPG

never has the abbreviation O M G meant so much O M G i bloody love these flying saucers...Ironically evil :rolleyes:

andrewb 14-08-2009 07:33

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Release a terrorist who is terminally ill and is aware that he will die anyway.....

accyman 14-08-2009 09:04

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 736195)
Release a terrorist who is terminally ill and is aware that he will die anyway.....

now if you was going pick somone for a suicide mission that would be the best criteria you could wish for :confused:

Boeing Guy 14-08-2009 09:50

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Assuming the man is guilty, of which there is a lot and I mean a lot, of evidence to the contrary. British Justice, at its best

garinda 14-08-2009 10:15

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 736195)
Release a terrorist who is terminally ill and is aware that he will die anyway.....

So under that proviso you wouldn't bother sending a terminally ill person to trial in the first place, even if they are suspected terrorists, murderers, rapists, child abusers etc., because they are presumably going to die, and therefore shouldn't face justice in a criminal court?

I thought British justice was meant to be blind? Meaning we are all equal in the eyes of the law, irrespective as to individual circumstance.

Incidentally there's someone in my extended family who was diagnosed with a terminal illness, and told he had six months to live, in 1968.

Happily he's still alive today.

'After months of being at death’s door with prison guards posted at his hospital bedside, Ronnie Biggs has now discovered that five days of freedom can have a remarkable restorative effect.'

'The Great Train Robber was said last night to have made a dramatic recovery from his life-threatening pneumonia.'

Ronnie Biggs finds that freedom makes an old lag feel better - Times Online

jaysay 14-08-2009 10:18

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 736237)
So under that proviso you wouldn't bother sending a terminally ill person to trial in the first place, even if they are suspected terrorists, murderers, rapists, child abusers etc., because they are presumably going to die, and therefore shouldn't face justice in a criminal court?

I thought British justice was meant to be blind? Meaning we are all equal in the eyes of the law, irrespective as to individual circumstance.

Incidentally there's someone in my extended family who was diagnosed with a terminal illness, and told he had six months to live, in 1968.

Happily he's still alive today.

'After months of being at death’s door with prison guards posted at his hospital bedside, Ronnie Biggs has now discovered that five days of freedom can have a remarkable restorative effect.'

'The Great Train Robber was said last night to have made a dramatic recovery from his life-threatening pneumonia.'

Ronnie Biggs finds that freedom makes an old lag feel better - Times Online

Shocked and stunned and not a little amazed, not:(

garinda 14-08-2009 10:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 736239)
Shocked and stunned and not a little amazed, not:(

At andrewb's attitude to releasing terrorists?

So was I.

andrewb 14-08-2009 10:33

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 736237)
So under that proviso you wouldn't bother sending a terminally ill person to trial in the first place, even if they are suspected terrorists, murderers, rapists, child abusers etc., because they are presumably going to die, and therefore shouldn't face justice in a criminal court?

I thought British justice was meant to be blind? Meaning we are all equal in the eyes of the law, irrespective as to individual circumstance.

Incidentally there's someone in my extended family who was diagnosed with a terminal illness, and told he had six months to live, in 1968.

Happily he's still alive today.

'After months of being at death’s door with prison guards posted at his hospital bedside, Ronnie Biggs has now discovered that five days of freedom can have a remarkable restorative effect.'

'The Great Train Robber was said last night to have made a dramatic recovery from his life-threatening pneumonia.'

Ronnie Biggs finds that freedom makes an old lag feel better - Times Online

Garinda I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. I was merely saying it's a stupid idea to release a known terrorist especially on grounds that he's going to die, what better time to do it again if he knows he's going to die anyway.

garinda 14-08-2009 10:36

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 736195)
Release a terrorist who is terminally ill and is aware that he will die anyway.....

Well what you apparently meant isn't very clear from this post.

Reads quite clearly as a statement.

Perhaps you should refrain from posting so early until you've had your Coco Pops.

andrewb 14-08-2009 10:39

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It would make no sense as a pure statement. Perhaps you should note the periods which suggest a continuation of sentance.. Something Accyman managed to read clearly. ;)

jaysay 14-08-2009 10:50

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 736249)
Well what you apparently meant isn't very clear from this post.

Reads quite clearly as a statement.

Perhaps you should refrain from posting so early until you've had your Coco Pops.

I'm glad you added "Pops" Rindi :D and not just an "A"

mani 14-08-2009 13:17

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apparently the application has been withdrawn due to a turn for the worse on the guys health

Boeing Guy 14-08-2009 13:37

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So this man is a known terrorist, okay Andrew care to elaborate, Private eye and lots of rough justice groups have questioned the chain of evidence and the conviction.
Does that make the Birmingham 6 terrorists or the Famous 5 or even the Renault 4 terrorists (sorry could not help, hehehe)

andrewb 14-08-2009 13:42

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 736324)
So this man is a known terrorist, okay Andrew care to elaborate, Private eye and lots of rough justice groups have questioned the chain of evidence and the conviction.
Does that make the Birmingham 6 terrorists or the Famous 5 or even the Renault 4 terrorists (sorry could not help, hehehe)

Boeing I must admit I don't know all the ins and outs of the evidence surrounding this case. If the guy is innocent then justice should be saught but he should only be let out if proved innocent.. Not on the basis of his health.

Boeing Guy 14-08-2009 13:48

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Okay so why let Biggs out, the guy in the observer, cannot remember the name, but he has a facebook fan page after him.....you cannot have one rule for one.
If the man had had a fair trial and all the evidence had been presented we would not be debating this.
The only thing I can see is our wonderful government are letting everyone out especially if they have a mild cold or worse.

mani 14-08-2009 14:26

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^exactly

they're saying this terrorist guy showed no remorse for his actions

biggs rubbed it in peoples faces that he killed robbed and got away with it for so long

cashman 14-08-2009 15:07

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Originally Posted by mani (Post 736350)
^exactly

they're saying this terrorist guy showed no remorse for his actions

biggs rubbed it in peoples faces that he killed robbed and got away with it for so long

not a valid point no-one was killed in the train robbery, check yer facts mani.:rolleyes: andrews point is exactly mine.

garinda 14-08-2009 16:01

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 736252)
It would make no sense as a pure statement. Perhaps you should note the periods which suggest a continuation of sentance.. Something Accyman managed to read clearly. ;)

After previous posts you've made on here, worrying more about the civil liberties of those suspected of terrorism, when the length of time they could be held without charge was up for debate, perhaps you should be more careful what you post.

Posting what you actually mean is very rewarding, at least I've always found it to be so.

Irony in pretty hard to de-cyfr (sic). Or so it seems when it's from your hand.

Biggs is a very good comparisson with the Libyan prisoner. His supporters were already preparing to use his Bigg's freedom as some sort of a precedent last weekend. The fact that he luckily didn't kill anyone is neither here nor there. He still had a sentence to serve, and was released because of health issues.

Are we now to see the likes of Peter Sutcliffe, Rose West, and Ian Brady freed if they too are diagnosed with terminal illness?

jaysay 14-08-2009 16:03

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 736358)
not a valid point no-one was killed in the train robbery, check yer facts mani.:rolleyes: andrews point is exactly mine.

Strewth, cashy and Andrew agreeing on something:D

garinda 14-08-2009 16:11

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 736330)
Okay so why let Biggs out, the guy in the observer, cannot remember the name, but he has a facebook fan page after him.....you cannot have one rule for one.


Let my jailed son come home to die - News - Accrington Observer

'The first offence against 83-year-old woman.'

'Both defendants had dozens of offences on their criminal records, including burglary. Each had offended against an elderly person in the past.'

Burglars jailed for raid on pensioner's home (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I'm afraid if you decide to take heroin, which means you then target and steal from eighty three year old ladies, if you get caught you may die in prison, and rightly so if you still have time on your sentence to serve.

accyman 14-08-2009 16:16

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its a pity no one helped them die regardless of their health condition

flippin junkies wreck their own and others lives leavin a trail of victims but if by any chance they clean up their act people pat them on the back and forget about the misery they caused others :-(

steeljack 14-08-2009 16:39

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re. the Lockerbie bombing and conviction , No one will ever convince me otherwise that this was nothing more than a retaliation for the shooting down 5 months earlier of Iran Air flt 655 over the Gulf by a US navy ship which "mistakenly" took an Airbus for a F14.
to my thinking the Lockebie bombing was a joint Libya/Iran effort .....the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend " thing .

garinda 14-08-2009 17:20

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'He served the first part of his sentence in Glasgow's fearsome Barlinnie prison. Megrahi was segregated in a high-security area dubbed "Gaddafi's Cafe", where there was said to be a "sitting room" and kitchen where Halal food was specially prepared.'

BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Megrahi: Profile of a bomber

I wonder if the boot had been on the other foot whether the Libyans would have laid on en suite facilities for a British terrorist, complete with a cook to rustle up a full English breakfast every morning? Bacon, pork sausage, black pudding, free range eggs, the works.

:rolleyes:

BERNADETTE 14-08-2009 17:30

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 736409)
'He served the first part of his sentence in Glasgow's fearsome Barlinnie prison. Megrahi was segregated in a high-security area dubbed "Gaddafi's Cafe", where there was said to be a "sitting room" and kitchen where Halal food was specially prepared.'

BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Megrahi: Profile of a bomber

I wonder if the boot had been on the other foot whether the Libyans would have laid on en suite facilities for a British terrorist, complete with a cook to rustle up a full English breakfast every morning? Bacon, pork sausage, black pudding, free range eggs, the works.

:rolleyes:

Course they would have G:rolleyes:

jaysay 15-08-2009 08:54

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It now seems it will never be known what the truth is as this guy has now dropped his appeal, so there will be no closure for people who lost love ones, they will always wonder whether the right person was convicted of that atrocity

Taggy 15-08-2009 09:11

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 736586)
It now seems it will never be known what the truth is as this guy has now dropped his appeal, so there will be no closure for people who lost love ones, they will always wonder whether the right person was convicted of that atrocity

I wonder if theres been some behind the scenes presure to make sure that was part of the "deal"?? I would'nt be surprised if after this chaps departed this life, his family dont try to resurrect the appeal to try to claim some form of compensation!! Not that i'm a cynic!!!

Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay 15-08-2009 10:01

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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 736597)
I wonder if theres been some behind the scenes presure to make sure that was part of the "deal"?? I would'nt be surprised if after this chaps departed this life, his family dont try to resurrect the appeal to try to claim some form of compensation!! Not that i'm a cynic!!!

Best Regards - Taggy

Never gave that a thought Taggy, but they wouldn't try and claim compo, would they:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 20-08-2009 08:12

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 735842)
no way in hell can I believe that this guy is going to be "returned" to Libya

42 billion barrels of proven oil reserves says he will. :rolleyes:

Doug 20-08-2009 08:24

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Agree with the above; but also if there is doubt about the conviction and there's no chance of a recovery from his illness then he may as well go now.

SPUGGIE J 20-08-2009 20:55

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Now that he is free to go home and die then how long before he is conveniently dead? After it was announced by Kenny McCaskill we were taking bets on how long he would live back in Libia. Me I reckon 3 weeks before he is assasinated by "unknown" assasins.

cmonstanley 20-08-2009 22:28

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mckaskill and salmond are ******* if they sanctioned this more like the british goverment sanctioned this so the scottish parliament is a total waste of money and resources and no i didnt vote for them they are ******* alex salmond is a self inflated ego along with the glasgow city council..

cashman 20-08-2009 23:46

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whilst those two up north may well be *******, like quite a few down here, the facts that there is doubt about the conviction, (remember the cock ups down here) with the supposed IRA bombers, the fact the guy is croaking sooner rather than later, this looks to me like a "Political Nightmare" n ******* or not its a damn hard one to call. IMHO.

steeljack 21-08-2009 02:19

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guess its par for the course , civilians are expendable when politics are involved , Lt. Calley did less than 3 yrs for the My Lai massacre, and the skipper of the Vicennes walked after shooting down the iran Air airbus.
Cameron and Blair can still play kissy face with the US by saying "nowt to do with us , it was the Scots" . and the Americans are totally scratching their heads that one country can have two different legal systems .
The fact that Ted Kennedy has the cojones to complain about letting a terrorist go is a bit rich considering that he (and his family) were some of the biggest supporters of the IRA during the troubles in Ulster in recent years .

Eric 21-08-2009 03:09

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 738066)
guess its par for the course , civilians are expendable when politics are involved , Lt. Calley did less than 3 yrs for the My Lai massacre, and the skipper of the Vicennes walked after shooting down the iran Air airbus.
Cameron and Blair can still play kissy face with the US by saying "nowt to do with us , it was the Scots" . and the Americans are totally scratching their heads that one country can have two different legal systems .
The fact that Ted Kennedy has the cojones to complain about letting a terrorist go is a bit rich considering that he (and his family) were some of the biggest supporters of the IRA during the troubles in Ulster in recent years .

Maybe Ted could drive him to the airport ... on a road which passes a suitably large body of water.:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 21-08-2009 07:41

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 738066)
Cameron and Blair can still play kissy face with the US by saying "nowt to do with us , it was the Scots" .

Got to agree with you there, SJ. Mad Gord and his lot have played a blinder on this one. They quite correctly assumed that pompous little Alex Salmond just couldn't resist a bit of grandstanding on behalf of the SNP (look at us...we defied the greatest superpower in the world!). And of course, the "useful idiot" role was played to perfection by a blustering, arrogant imbecile like MacAskill who appears incapable of speaking in any other idiom than cliched soundbites.

So, as you say Gord can just wash his hands of it all, and he still gets to stay buddies with his new best friend, the Colonel and BP still get their hands on all that lovely oil! ;)

steeljack 22-08-2009 03:56

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my psychic power must have been on full power yesterday when I made a mention in a post of Lt. Calley and the My Lai massacre, this has just turned up on the BBC
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Vietnam massacre soldier 'sorry'

think we are seeing some damage control and reptilian politicians both sides of the Atlantic trying to cover their asses :eek: :eek:

Wynonie Harris 22-08-2009 13:55

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 738286)
think we are seeing some damage control and reptilian politicians both sides of the Atlantic trying to cover their asses :eek: :eek:

Was it ever thus, SJ? Turns out that the fragrant Mandy (that bloke who now seems to have a major say in government policy, even though he has not received a mandate to do this from a single member of the UK electorate) was having a little chat with Gaddafi's son a few weeks ago...I wonder what about? Meanwhile, mad Gord has gone to ground, as he always does at times like this (vote on the Iraq war, signing of the EU Constitution etc). And of course, the boy David is milking the situation with all the righteous indignation he can muster. Politicians...wouldn't give tu'pence for the lot of 'em! :rolleyes:

jaysay 22-08-2009 14:52

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 738362)
Was it ever thus, SJ? Turns out that the fragrant Mandy (that bloke who now seems to have a major say in government policy, even though he has not received a mandate to do this from a single member of the UK electorate) was having a little chat with Gaddafi's son a few weeks ago...I wonder what about? Meanwhile, mad Gord has gone to ground, as he always does at times like this (vote on the Iraq war, signing of the EU Constitution etc). And of course, the boy David is milking the situation with all the righteous indignation he can muster. Politicians...wouldn't give tu'pence for the lot of 'em! :rolleyes:

And there's me think you were a mate Wynonie:D:p

Wynonie Harris 22-08-2009 22:17

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 738367)
And there's me think you were a mate Wynonie:D:p

...I am and I'll say this for you, Jaysay, at least you're willing to support the party you're a member of. Funny how the card-carrying Labour party members always go very quiet on topics like this...and all those other difficult little questions like EU membership...and law and order...and... :rolleyes:

Mancie 23-08-2009 00:40

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Not a very good attempt to lay this release down to Labour.. It's a decision made by the Parliment of Scotland..no cover up.. no excuse.

shillelagh 23-08-2009 02:17

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 738496)
...I am and I'll say this for you, Jaysay, at least you're willing to support the party you're a member of. Funny how the card-carrying Labour party members always go very quiet on topics like this...and all those other difficult little questions like EU membership...and law and order...and... :rolleyes:

Im a member of the labour party .. and ive stayed quiet mainly because i dont know what to think .. first english/scottish people arent paying to keep him in prison now .. so no expense to the taxpayers, hes also got cancer and is dying .. so if we can let ronnie biggs go why not let him go .. also are you sure he is the one who did it ..as the father of one of the people who died says hes glad hes been freed as he says that he had nothing to do with it ... but he was found guilty back in 2001 so there must have been some evidence of him involved.

What i would have done if i was going to release him tho would have got him on a plane, waited till he was 3/4's of the way to libya and then made the press release. That way then the media wouldnt have been able to make a big deal of it like what they have done. Also as it is the scottish executive .. and not jack straw that has made the decision .. leave the labour party out of it .. cos the scottish executive is run by the SNP not the labour party ..

What i also dont agree with is all the media attention thats been brought about through this. Col Gaddaffi .. thanking the queen, prince andrew and gordon brown for bringing this about, yeah as if the queen gets involved in something like this never mind prince andrew .. if a golf course is involved maybe .. but not letting someone go free ..

steeljack 23-08-2009 04:06

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 738518)
.. also are you sure he is the one who did it ..as the father of one of the people who died says hes glad hes been freed as he says that he had nothing to do with it ... but he was found guilty back in 2001 so there must have been some evidence of him involved.

..

One thing to consider during all this 'hoopla' about the Scottish legal system ......and Al Maghribi's guilt , someone correct me if I'm wrong but is there not something in Scottish Law called "Not Prooved" whereby someone can stand trial and be aquitted but later recalled if further evidence comes to light , if the original evidence was suspicious why was this 'not prooved ' not verdict given . :confused: :confused:

Mancie 23-08-2009 06:04

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the case was not held in Scotland..it was at the Hague.. it's hard work trying to sort the in's and out's of any laws in any country...but it's simple.. the leaders of Scotland decided to free a man found guilty for the murder of 270 people on "compasionate grounds"..not on any new evidence or even the original guilty verdict being opposed.

steeljack 23-08-2009 06:36

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 738534)
the case was not held in Scotland..it was at the Hague.. it's hard work trying to sort the in's and out's of any laws in any country...but it's simple.. the leaders of Scotland decided to free a man found guilty for the murder of 270 people on "compasionate grounds"..not on any new evidence or even the original guilty verdict being opposed.

a couple of links for you , yep the trial was held in the Hague, but under Scottish Law Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

also Scottish Law provides for 3 verdicts , scroll down to not proven verdict
Scotland Guide - General information - Legal questions

please provide links where the word " compasion for convicted mass murderer" is codified in any countrys legal code

Mancie 23-08-2009 06:42

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 738538)

please provide links where the word " compasion for convicted mass murderer" is codified in any countrys legal code

I don't know of any Steeljack..and I can't think of anyone convicted of murder released on compasionate grounds.

Bernard Dawson 23-08-2009 09:33

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 738496)
...I am and I'll say this for you, Jaysay, at least you're willing to support the party you're a member of. Funny how the card-carrying Labour party members always go very quiet on topics like this...and all those other difficult little questions like EU membership...and law and order...and... :rolleyes:

It's not a question of Labour Party members being quiet on issues such as this. I just happen to think that as a local Councillor our focus should be on what's happening in Hyndburn. Or what's not happening.

jaysay 23-08-2009 11:14

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 738549)
It's not a question of Labour Party members being quiet on issues such as this. I just happen to think that as a local Councillor our focus should be on what's happening in Hyndburn. Or what's not happening.

You didn't say that when there was a tory government, in fact you never mentioned local issues for years and that is a fact, and you know it

Tealeaf 23-08-2009 11:24

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Just heard a newsflash.......Abdelbaset al Megrahi, in recognition of the favours given to him by the people of Scotland and the Scotsman Mr Gordon Brown, is now to change is name to Hamish MacGrahey.

Wynonie Harris 23-08-2009 14:14

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 738518)
Im a member of the labour party .. and ive stayed quiet mainly because i dont know what to think .. first english/scottish people arent paying to keep him in prison now .. so no expense to the taxpayers, hes also got cancer and is dying .. so if we can let ronnie biggs go why not let him go .. also are you sure he is the one who did it ..as the father of one of the people who died says hes glad hes been freed as he says that he had nothing to do with it ... but he was found guilty back in 2001 so there must have been some evidence of him involved.

What i would have done if i was going to release him tho would have got him on a plane, waited till he was 3/4's of the way to libya and then made the press release. That way then the media wouldnt have been able to make a big deal of it like what they have done. Also as it is the scottish executive .. and not jack straw that has made the decision .. leave the labour party out of it .. cos the scottish executive is run by the SNP not the labour party ..

The Ronnie Biggs case hardly bears comparison. Biggs and his accomplices robbed a mail train and attacked a driver during the raid. The driver was never the same again and subsequently died. Biggs himself didn't attack the driver, but obviously he bears some responsibility as he was part of the gang. A despicable act that had tragic consequences for an innocent man, but hardly the same as murdering 270 people. I read somewhere that Al Megrahi has served 11 days for each of the victims. And yes, Al Megrahi's conviction raised a lot of questions. In fact, he was appealing against it, but after a cosy little chat with Macaskill, he dropped his appeal, so now we'll never know.

As for your party having nothing to do with it, well, maybe, but Mandy has certainly been keeping company with Gadafi's son...funny, that...and Gadafi junior reckons that the subject of Al Megrahi was raised...but of course, why should we take the word of some damn foreigner against a fine, upstanding fellow like Mandy? Funny how Gord was in very close talks with the Colonel just a few weeks ago at the G8 summit and, of course, the spinmeister himself, T.Blair, rushed through the Prisoner Transfer Agrrement after a tet a tet with Gadaffi.

One thing I will say though, Shilleagh. If the boy David and his bunch of chinless wonders were in power, I'm sure a very similar scenario would currently being played out with Jaysay and AndrewB posting on here that "The Conservatives have nothing to do with it."

The fact is that there are billions of pounds worth of oil and gas reserves beneath the sands of Libya and that will always take precedence over concepts like justice and humanity. That's realpolitik for you! :rolleyes:

andrewb 23-08-2009 14:24

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 738587)
The fact is that there are billions of pounds worth of oil and gas reserves beneath the sands of Libya and that will always take precedence over concepts like justice and humanity. That's realpolitik for you! :rolleyes:

Another reason for nuclear. Roll on nuclear power!

Wynonie Harris 23-08-2009 17:39

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 738549)
It's not a question of Labour Party members being quiet on issues such as this. I just happen to think that as a local Councillor our focus should be on what's happening in Hyndburn. Or what's not happening.

Ah I see, so that's why!

...but hang on a minute, weren't you commenting on the Tories' attitude to the NHS just a few days ago?...and on the national unemployment figures a few days before that?...and on Nigel Evans MP and the expenses scandal a few days before that? Still, I suppose those posts were made in those all-too-brief moments of calm in the busy life of a Hyndburn councillor.

Incidentally, Bernard, the most important thing that's not happening in the borough at the moment, as you know only too well, is the Stanley strikeforce finding the back of the net, but I suppose that may be beyond your remit! ;)

Bernard Dawson 23-08-2009 18:14

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Only the odd comment,and then it's only my humble attempt to shed a bit of light every now and then.

jaysay 24-08-2009 09:27

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 738628)
Only the odd comment,and then it's only my humble attempt to shed a bit of light every now and then.

And failing miserably:rolleyes: its no good trying to wash your hands of your fellow party members in Westminster, you helped to put them their and rejoiced in doing so, but now they are as popular as a fart in a space suite you don't want to know. At a recent by-elect you were even to ashamed to put Labour on your election literature and I never saw a red rosette on any Labour canvassers during that campaign. Funny old world ain't it Bernard:rolleyes:

Bernard Dawson 24-08-2009 14:03

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 738808)
And failing miserably:rolleyes: its no good trying to wash your hands of your fellow party members in Westminster, you helped to put them their and rejoiced in doing so, but now they are as popular as a fart in a space suite you don't want to know. At a recent by-elect you were even to ashamed to put Labour on your election literature and I never saw a red rosette on any Labour canvassers during that campaign. Funny old world ain't it Bernard:rolleyes:


I'm not trying to wash my hands of the labour Party nationally, quite the contrary. I'm Labour and proud of it.

I just happen to think that on a forum such as Accy Web people also want their Councillors to talk about things that are relevant to Hyndburn,

Just on the next election, I wouldn't start counting any chickens just yet. I've been around in politics along time time, and I've seen quite a few politicians with egg on their face when it comes to predicting the outcome of elections. Including myself from time to time.

jaysay 24-08-2009 16:04

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 738871)
I'm not trying to wash my hands of the labour Party nationally, quite the contrary. I'm Labour and proud of it.

I just happen to think that on a forum such as Accy Web people also want their Councillors to talk about things that are relevant to Hyndburn,

Just on the next election, I wouldn't start counting any chickens just yet. I've been around in politics along time time, and I've seen quite a few politicians with egg on their face when it comes to predicting the outcome of elections. Including myself from time to time.

Fortunately I've never had egg on my face Bernard, well with regards to elections that is, the British public is a funny creature, ask Neil Kinnock;)

accyman 28-08-2009 13:49

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oi you two..
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http://www.cooldesignerhandbags.com/...n-handbags.jpg.

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http://www.nationaltrail.co.uk/Cleve...Sandsend_g.jpg


:D

jaysay 28-08-2009 15:54

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I'll have the black one accyman:D

accyman 28-08-2009 17:01

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 739838)
I'll have the black one accyman:D

are you sure...

apparently once youv had black you never go back :eek:

jaysay 29-08-2009 09:05

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 739847)
are you sure...

apparently once youv had black you never go back :eek:

That is only a fallacy, believe me:rolleyes: :D

steeljack 31-03-2010 05:52

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Back on topic , new report shows Labour politicians to be nothing more than £5 pimps and diseased syphilitic whores for the oil companies

Government slammed for 'caving in' to Libya over Lockerbie bomber transfer | Mail Online

jaysay 31-03-2010 09:24

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 801975)
Back on topic , new report shows Labour politicians to be nothing more than £5 pimps and diseased syphilitic whores for the oil companies

Government slammed for 'caving in' to Libya over Lockerbie bomber transfer | Mail Online

Oh Hum:rolleyes:

jaysay 05-07-2010 10:16

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Fury as Lockerbie bomber doctor Karol Sikora admits he could live for a decade | Mail Online
Found this very interesting this morning:rolleyes:

garinda 05-07-2010 10:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 826521)

Wonder if old Ronnie Biggs has read the papers this morning?

:rolleyes:

jaysay 05-07-2010 10:35

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 826523)
Wonder if old Ronnie Biggs has read the papers this morning?

:rolleyes:

Don't know but I hear he's got his season ticket for the Arsenal for next season;)

cashman 05-07-2010 10:39

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was on tv news on sat, the silly cow doctor who said he had only 3 months to live, said it was embarrassing, she got it wrong, its her who is embarrassing.:rolleyes:

yerself 05-07-2010 13:42

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Originally Posted by cashman
the silly cow doctor who said he had only 3 months to live, said it was embarrassing, she got it wrong, its her who is embarrassing.

She's a He.;):D

cashman 05-07-2010 13:51

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 826558)
She's a He.;):D

Report said it was a woman n named her,:confused: still it was sky news.:D

jaysay 05-07-2010 14:43

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 826559)
Report said it was a woman n named her,:confused: still it was sky news.:D

Could have been a heshe:eek::rolleyes::D

yerself 05-07-2010 21:05

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Here's a pic of her from jaysay's bible, The Daily Mail.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/...75_233x393.jpg
Warning: Professor Karol Sikora said the next generation of cancer drugs could swallow half of the current NHS budget within four years

Read more: Cancer drugs costing £50billion will crush the NHS, says expert | Mail Online

cashman 05-07-2010 21:35

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Ah that explains it yerself, i wrongly assumed Karol was Carol as they pronounced it the same.:)

garinda 06-07-2010 00:05

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 826652)
Ah that explains it yerself, i wrongly assumed Karol was Carol as they pronounced it the same.:)

This Karol used to be quite well known in her homeland, before moving to Countdown, to take charge of the letters.

http://kidsister.files.wordpress.com...ohn_paul_2.jpg

:D

jaysay 06-07-2010 09:31

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 826651)
Here's a pic of her from jaysay's bible, The Daily Mail.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/...75_233x393.jpg
Warning: Professor Karol Sikora said the next generation of cancer drugs could swallow half of the current NHS budget within four years

Read more: Cancer drugs costing £50billion will crush the NHS, says expert | Mail Online

Holy Bible if you please yerself:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 07-02-2011 18:19

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 738587)
The fact is that there are billions of pounds worth of oil and gas reserves beneath the sands of Libya and that will always take precedence over concepts like justice and humanity. That's realpolitik for you! :rolleyes:

I don't want to say I told you so, but... :rolleyes:

cashman 07-02-2011 20:23

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 881545)
I don't want to say I told you so, but... :rolleyes:

correct, but only a balloon would have thought owt else.;) interestingly it was a solely Scottish decision to release this murdering pig, yeh know i sure as hell wouldn't want em representing me, jeez labour were bad enough here.:rolleyes:

Historicymatters 12-02-2011 05:03

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The right decision was made. The report will explain some of that. All in that top end were called out to help by the BBC network at the time in Carlise and surrounding areas. I know of stories of true heroism.

But consider.

If this man had died of cancer in prison, he would be a martyr. Giovanni de Stefano is and was his lawyer in Rome. Now that the costs of palliative care are in his own country the right decision was made. He cannot be a martyr that went home in a box. That is why I think that his care in terminal illness is best done in the country of his birth.

jaysay 12-02-2011 09:07

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Originally Posted by Historymatters (Post 882706)
The right decision was made. The report will explain some of that. All in that top end were called out to help by the BBC network at the time in Carlisle and surrounding areas. I know of stories of true heroism.

But consider.

If this man had died of cancer in prison, he would be a martyr. Giovanni de Stefano is and was his lawyer in Rome. Now that the costs of palliative care are in his own country the right decision was made. He cannot be a martyr that went home in a box. That is why I think that his care in terminal illness is best done in the country of his birth.

Ask the relatives of those who lost their lives if it was the right decision, the sickening sites of him being given an hero's welcome were sickening to watch. in his case life should definitely have been life end off:mad:


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