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no way in hell can I believe that this guy is going to be "returned" to Libya, he has served less than 20 yrs since his conviction for killing 270 people, (259 on the Pan-Am jet and 11 on the ground )
BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Lockerbie bomber 'to be released' nothing about the story in the US media yet , and no comments so far from Obama or Hillary Clinton . I appreciate there has been some question about the validity of the conviction , but this should be sorted out first, before any release :( :( |
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I can't believe that they are gonna let him out, he should never see the light of day again and I mean that literally in solitary confinement with no natural light
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"Although there has been no confirmed evidence as to a deterioration of the prisoner's condition it is believed that he's not a very well man and as happened in England last week with Ronnie Biggs I think on this occasion, Mr MacAskill has been moved to grant compassionate release if it is confirmed.'
Lockerbie bomber 'to be released' - Telegraph Looks like Bigg's early release from his sentence last week is setting a legal precedent. Do the crime, do the time....unless you're poorly, then you'll be released anyway.:mad: |
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next they will be sending binladen an blue peter badge
let him die in prison and withhold medical treatment so he can experience some of teh pain he put his victims and their families through |
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compassion, I'm happy for us to show him the same compassion he showed the people on that plane.........
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Compassionate Release should NEVER be considered for Mass Murdering Scum like this!!!! Apparently its being timed so he can be home with his family in time for Ramadan.....because he's a RELIGEOUS MAN!!! Like Hell he is!!:mad:
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its religion that makes them do these things!
Extremists prey on the weak and twist their minds untill they think this kind of thing will get them into heaven......Sad it is...then again i disdain all religions. But what next? Peado's getting out of prison cause they are dying of cancer...getting released in time for christmas... MEH |
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I am not jumping on the bandwagon of outrage, because for all we know he could have been a 'patsy'.
Police coached Lockerbie witness to identify Libyan as bomber, appeal lawyers claim | UK news | The Guardian |
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Religeon doesn't MAKE people do anything, we all have a choice!!
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Still shouldn't be freed until the appeals process has been dealt with!! Best Regards - Taggy |
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Not wanting to sound like one of our resident conspiracy theorists, however, there was a lot wrong with the prosecutions case.
Private Eye have campaigned against this man's conviction as they believe it is unsafe and he could be innocent. They even made a book about it. |
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if that were the case then 270 people died from that bomb 'just for fun of blowing them up' FFS its directly the relgions fault but only by false teaching |
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No Religeon teaches people to blow up people in planes!!! Its extremists using religeon as an excuse...not religeon itself FFS!!!!
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Yes exactly my point FFFFSSSSS! :)
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i saw an interview of a muslim on tv that said the same thing that the extremists are not the ones doing the bombing but rather exploiting the minds of the weak and mindwarping individuals into doing these horrible actions that even end up in the loss of thier own lives
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Let's hope Rose West doesn't have a case of terminal piles, or she'll be the next one to walk free.
Albeit walking a little funny. |
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religion teaches you that your all forgiving god will either smite thee or turn you into a pilar of salt if you annoy him NOT tell you to blow planes up :D oh and if you not home by midnight your coach will turn into a pumpkin.. or is that from another fairytale ? |
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i imagine you are suggesting that religions are just twisted and novelistic forms of fairytales
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more to wipe your arse with though i suppose :D everyone is entitled to believe in god but if you do... your wrong ;) |
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unless you say its christs blood and dish it out with a prawn cracker lol and a quire boy for desert :rolleyes: |
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and i dont get where the drinking of blood comes from. Did christ gather with his deciples and drink the blood of virgins? Or did he just have some really killer house wine |
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some good did come out of religion after all :D http://www.sweetgreetingsshildon.co....ng-saucers.JPG |
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Release a terrorist who is terminally ill and is aware that he will die anyway.....
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Assuming the man is guilty, of which there is a lot and I mean a lot, of evidence to the contrary. British Justice, at its best
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I thought British justice was meant to be blind? Meaning we are all equal in the eyes of the law, irrespective as to individual circumstance. Incidentally there's someone in my extended family who was diagnosed with a terminal illness, and told he had six months to live, in 1968. Happily he's still alive today. 'After months of being at death’s door with prison guards posted at his hospital bedside, Ronnie Biggs has now discovered that five days of freedom can have a remarkable restorative effect.' 'The Great Train Robber was said last night to have made a dramatic recovery from his life-threatening pneumonia.' Ronnie Biggs finds that freedom makes an old lag feel better - Times Online |
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So was I. |
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Reads quite clearly as a statement. Perhaps you should refrain from posting so early until you've had your Coco Pops. |
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It would make no sense as a pure statement. Perhaps you should note the periods which suggest a continuation of sentance.. Something Accyman managed to read clearly. ;)
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apparently the application has been withdrawn due to a turn for the worse on the guys health
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So this man is a known terrorist, okay Andrew care to elaborate, Private eye and lots of rough justice groups have questioned the chain of evidence and the conviction.
Does that make the Birmingham 6 terrorists or the Famous 5 or even the Renault 4 terrorists (sorry could not help, hehehe) |
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Okay so why let Biggs out, the guy in the observer, cannot remember the name, but he has a facebook fan page after him.....you cannot have one rule for one.
If the man had had a fair trial and all the evidence had been presented we would not be debating this. The only thing I can see is our wonderful government are letting everyone out especially if they have a mild cold or worse. |
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^exactly
they're saying this terrorist guy showed no remorse for his actions biggs rubbed it in peoples faces that he killed robbed and got away with it for so long |
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Posting what you actually mean is very rewarding, at least I've always found it to be so. Irony in pretty hard to de-cyfr (sic). Or so it seems when it's from your hand. Biggs is a very good comparisson with the Libyan prisoner. His supporters were already preparing to use his Bigg's freedom as some sort of a precedent last weekend. The fact that he luckily didn't kill anyone is neither here nor there. He still had a sentence to serve, and was released because of health issues. Are we now to see the likes of Peter Sutcliffe, Rose West, and Ian Brady freed if they too are diagnosed with terminal illness? |
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Let my jailed son come home to die - News - Accrington Observer 'The first offence against 83-year-old woman.' 'Both defendants had dozens of offences on their criminal records, including burglary. Each had offended against an elderly person in the past.' Burglars jailed for raid on pensioner's home (From Lancashire Telegraph) I'm afraid if you decide to take heroin, which means you then target and steal from eighty three year old ladies, if you get caught you may die in prison, and rightly so if you still have time on your sentence to serve. |
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its a pity no one helped them die regardless of their health condition
flippin junkies wreck their own and others lives leavin a trail of victims but if by any chance they clean up their act people pat them on the back and forget about the misery they caused others :-( |
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re. the Lockerbie bombing and conviction , No one will ever convince me otherwise that this was nothing more than a retaliation for the shooting down 5 months earlier of Iran Air flt 655 over the Gulf by a US navy ship which "mistakenly" took an Airbus for a F14.
to my thinking the Lockebie bombing was a joint Libya/Iran effort .....the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend " thing . |
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'He served the first part of his sentence in Glasgow's fearsome Barlinnie prison. Megrahi was segregated in a high-security area dubbed "Gaddafi's Cafe", where there was said to be a "sitting room" and kitchen where Halal food was specially prepared.'
BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Megrahi: Profile of a bomber I wonder if the boot had been on the other foot whether the Libyans would have laid on en suite facilities for a British terrorist, complete with a cook to rustle up a full English breakfast every morning? Bacon, pork sausage, black pudding, free range eggs, the works. :rolleyes: |
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It now seems it will never be known what the truth is as this guy has now dropped his appeal, so there will be no closure for people who lost love ones, they will always wonder whether the right person was convicted of that atrocity
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Best Regards - Taggy |
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Agree with the above; but also if there is doubt about the conviction and there's no chance of a recovery from his illness then he may as well go now.
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Now that he is free to go home and die then how long before he is conveniently dead? After it was announced by Kenny McCaskill we were taking bets on how long he would live back in Libia. Me I reckon 3 weeks before he is assasinated by "unknown" assasins.
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mckaskill and salmond are ******* if they sanctioned this more like the british goverment sanctioned this so the scottish parliament is a total waste of money and resources and no i didnt vote for them they are ******* alex salmond is a self inflated ego along with the glasgow city council..
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whilst those two up north may well be *******, like quite a few down here, the facts that there is doubt about the conviction, (remember the cock ups down here) with the supposed IRA bombers, the fact the guy is croaking sooner rather than later, this looks to me like a "Political Nightmare" n ******* or not its a damn hard one to call. IMHO.
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guess its par for the course , civilians are expendable when politics are involved , Lt. Calley did less than 3 yrs for the My Lai massacre, and the skipper of the Vicennes walked after shooting down the iran Air airbus.
Cameron and Blair can still play kissy face with the US by saying "nowt to do with us , it was the Scots" . and the Americans are totally scratching their heads that one country can have two different legal systems . The fact that Ted Kennedy has the cojones to complain about letting a terrorist go is a bit rich considering that he (and his family) were some of the biggest supporters of the IRA during the troubles in Ulster in recent years . |
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So, as you say Gord can just wash his hands of it all, and he still gets to stay buddies with his new best friend, the Colonel and BP still get their hands on all that lovely oil! ;) |
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my psychic power must have been on full power yesterday when I made a mention in a post of Lt. Calley and the My Lai massacre, this has just turned up on the BBC
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Vietnam massacre soldier 'sorry' think we are seeing some damage control and reptilian politicians both sides of the Atlantic trying to cover their asses :eek: :eek: |
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Not a very good attempt to lay this release down to Labour.. It's a decision made by the Parliment of Scotland..no cover up.. no excuse.
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What i would have done if i was going to release him tho would have got him on a plane, waited till he was 3/4's of the way to libya and then made the press release. That way then the media wouldnt have been able to make a big deal of it like what they have done. Also as it is the scottish executive .. and not jack straw that has made the decision .. leave the labour party out of it .. cos the scottish executive is run by the SNP not the labour party .. What i also dont agree with is all the media attention thats been brought about through this. Col Gaddaffi .. thanking the queen, prince andrew and gordon brown for bringing this about, yeah as if the queen gets involved in something like this never mind prince andrew .. if a golf course is involved maybe .. but not letting someone go free .. |
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the case was not held in Scotland..it was at the Hague.. it's hard work trying to sort the in's and out's of any laws in any country...but it's simple.. the leaders of Scotland decided to free a man found guilty for the murder of 270 people on "compasionate grounds"..not on any new evidence or even the original guilty verdict being opposed.
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also Scottish Law provides for 3 verdicts , scroll down to not proven verdict Scotland Guide - General information - Legal questions please provide links where the word " compasion for convicted mass murderer" is codified in any countrys legal code |
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Just heard a newsflash.......Abdelbaset al Megrahi, in recognition of the favours given to him by the people of Scotland and the Scotsman Mr Gordon Brown, is now to change is name to Hamish MacGrahey.
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As for your party having nothing to do with it, well, maybe, but Mandy has certainly been keeping company with Gadafi's son...funny, that...and Gadafi junior reckons that the subject of Al Megrahi was raised...but of course, why should we take the word of some damn foreigner against a fine, upstanding fellow like Mandy? Funny how Gord was in very close talks with the Colonel just a few weeks ago at the G8 summit and, of course, the spinmeister himself, T.Blair, rushed through the Prisoner Transfer Agrrement after a tet a tet with Gadaffi. One thing I will say though, Shilleagh. If the boy David and his bunch of chinless wonders were in power, I'm sure a very similar scenario would currently being played out with Jaysay and AndrewB posting on here that "The Conservatives have nothing to do with it." The fact is that there are billions of pounds worth of oil and gas reserves beneath the sands of Libya and that will always take precedence over concepts like justice and humanity. That's realpolitik for you! :rolleyes: |
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...but hang on a minute, weren't you commenting on the Tories' attitude to the NHS just a few days ago?...and on the national unemployment figures a few days before that?...and on Nigel Evans MP and the expenses scandal a few days before that? Still, I suppose those posts were made in those all-too-brief moments of calm in the busy life of a Hyndburn councillor. Incidentally, Bernard, the most important thing that's not happening in the borough at the moment, as you know only too well, is the Stanley strikeforce finding the back of the net, but I suppose that may be beyond your remit! ;) |
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Only the odd comment,and then it's only my humble attempt to shed a bit of light every now and then.
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I'm not trying to wash my hands of the labour Party nationally, quite the contrary. I'm Labour and proud of it. I just happen to think that on a forum such as Accy Web people also want their Councillors to talk about things that are relevant to Hyndburn, Just on the next election, I wouldn't start counting any chickens just yet. I've been around in politics along time time, and I've seen quite a few politicians with egg on their face when it comes to predicting the outcome of elections. Including myself from time to time. |
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I'll have the black one accyman:D
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apparently once youv had black you never go back :eek: |
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Back on topic , new report shows Labour politicians to be nothing more than £5 pimps and diseased syphilitic whores for the oil companies
Government slammed for 'caving in' to Libya over Lockerbie bomber transfer | Mail Online |
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Fury as Lockerbie bomber doctor Karol Sikora admits he could live for a decade | Mail Online
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was on tv news on sat, the silly cow doctor who said he had only 3 months to live, said it was embarrassing, she got it wrong, its her who is embarrassing.:rolleyes:
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Here's a pic of her from jaysay's bible, The Daily Mail.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/...75_233x393.jpg Warning: Professor Karol Sikora said the next generation of cancer drugs could swallow half of the current NHS budget within four years Read more: Cancer drugs costing £50billion will crush the NHS, says expert | Mail Online |
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Ah that explains it yerself, i wrongly assumed Karol was Carol as they pronounced it the same.:)
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The right decision was made. The report will explain some of that. All in that top end were called out to help by the BBC network at the time in Carlise and surrounding areas. I know of stories of true heroism.
But consider. If this man had died of cancer in prison, he would be a martyr. Giovanni de Stefano is and was his lawyer in Rome. Now that the costs of palliative care are in his own country the right decision was made. He cannot be a martyr that went home in a box. That is why I think that his care in terminal illness is best done in the country of his birth. |
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