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Ive noticed over recent days that both the Arden Inn and the Grey Horse have closed there doors, hope someone takes over them soon, but its a dying trade i'm afraid!:(:(

Best Regards - Taggy

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the govenment think drinking is bad for you and a minonority of people put pressure on the govenment to act so inevitably the govenment will rather than directly close pubs will make it so hard for pubs to survive they are forced to close

pubs cant compete with supermarkets prices for beer so rather than lower what tax pubs have to pay the govenment want to increase tax on what supermarkets pay which dosnt help pubs but does rake in a whole load of extra cash for the govenment

just by driving over teh hills of teh accrington area you can see how much damage has been done to teh pub industry because most of teh pubs are now indian returants:rolleyes:

despite what teh govenment claim teh smoking ban is the number 1 reason for teh demise of most of the pubs that have closed, until teh smoking ban there has never been such a huge amount of pubs close in such a short time and not even this so called credit crunch can be used as an excuse because most pubs survived previous depressions

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The next thing to be banned is meat
....I'm serious ...cows fart too much, and this Lord says so
Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save the planet - Times Online

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Hmm, I think that goes along the lines of a thread I started,
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...dog-50063.html

But isn't it a little early for a thread wander Maggie?

The extinction of pubs is far more pressing than any other global fret.
:)

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and after they have finished blaming cows they will be taxing our farts , either that or fitting us with filters :rolleyes:

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not just to do with smoking the closure of pubs.. The prices are way too much nowadays. a drop in alcohol tax and much cheaper drinks would fill pubs for sure. Who wats to pay £3 a pint

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Pub closures are part of the social programme.
People sitting in front of TVs, drinking at home are-
....not causing street disturbances
....are getting the 'mind programming' that TV provides
....are not socialising with others
....and so are not exchanging 'subversive opinions' with others
result - a dumbed down compliant population

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So says a person that admits she hardly ever goes out these days? At last we know where you're coming from!

http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s11679.gif:rolleyes:

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I am avoiding contact with stressed people such as you.
I am not 'dumbed down' by TV, fluoride, aspartamine and junk food.
Books, webrowsing, family meals at restaurants and the occasional walk in the countryside are all I need for
'peace of mind'.

I do recall a time when I enjoyed the pub social scene - times change - I have found a new way of life which suits me.

What I don't like is that people who do want an active social life have had their choices limited.

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i can feel this thread slipping towards 'anything goes' hehe

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By those people that 'know best', you mean?
You know the ones, always telling us how much fluoride is in our beer? Why we shouldn't use micro-wave ovens? How any scientific advance is bad for us, (no doubt including the wheel)? Why we shouldn't eat fast food? How sugar, salt, tea, coffee, vaccinations and other such things that the sane members of society willingly take for granted are a secret plot against us?

If those are the ones you mean I'm behind you 100%, just don't stand too close to the edge of the cliff when on your country walk, I don't think I could resist the temptation!
:D

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Also close the out of town pubs, to keep everyone in the centre where they can be monitored. and make more revenue.

YouTube - Pub and Church Closures UK social engineering

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Particularly more revenue for our taxi drivers too ... creating yet more carbon emissions .... :D

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For such hostility, I preserve my peace of mind by putting you on 'ignore'.
I will never learn what Kitty does next:rolleyes:

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Now you're being silly, or have you arranged for someone to P.M. my comments to you so that you can keep up?

http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s10381.gif

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Glad to see we are back to normal,just been talking to a bloke from Australia that is back- packing his way through Europe God Strooth I thought, Makes a change.Hold on to your goolagongs mate.Especially if Lynx is about.:D

And yes I was in a watering Hole having just left an important meeting at the research center.We need all the help we can get!!!:drunk::thepint::thepint::thepint:

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Anyone got the latest as to when the Hargeaves Arms reopens?

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There's probably been a trillion more subversive opinions exchanged since the birth of the internet, than was ever discussed over a pint or twelve in the boozer.

;)

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I'm not convinced that the closure of pubs is down to the smoking ban... I have never once heard anyone say they won't go to the pub because they can't smoke.. or anywhere else .. you can't smoke on any form of transport, football games,concerts,or in a doctors waiting room... non of these have closed down because of non smoking.

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But you can smoke at home with cheap cans of beer which gives you an alternative to the pub & the weather,the others have no real alternative which would cause them to shut.

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if the smoking ban was irrelivent why is it pubs with good smoking facilities do better than those without ?

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I think the smoking ban affected many pubs. Other pubs, food pubs particularly have seen an upswing. People want more than alcohol when visiting a pub.

It's a shame. Supermarket beer has had a bigger impact on pubs IMO.

Tax laws need modernising to protect pubs and curb binge drinking.

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not irrelevant just not the entire reason why pubs are screwed. Prices are way too high and the cost of living is screwed and low wages = drinking at home rather than at a pub. Big chain pubs and those that drop their pints to minimal price seem to be the ones that do better...then again those pubs are serving fosters cheap which is a dog****y beer

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The closure rate is now running at 300 a month for pubs and restaurants.:(:(

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I dont feel the Smoking Ban on its own has done the greatest damage, its just the latest in a long line of negative influences on the Pub trade. The monopoly of the Breweries/Pub Companies and their restraint of trade and high rents are certainly also a major factor. As too is the more relaxed licensing laws. You now have a situation where a lot of pubs dont get as many young people in as they used to because they prefer to frequent the town centre type establishments which open later in the evening, till early morning. Quite often these places only open towards weekends, and not during the day either.

Because younger drinkers are using these places rather than the more traditional pubs, not only are you decreasing the footfall across the pubs, you also see a less diverse cross section of the community drinking together. This in tern brings other problems such as anti-social behaviour through youngsters drinking amongst their own age group, rather than be "chaperoned" so to speak, by older...hopefully wiser...adults, and encouraged to drink more sensibly and be more respectful!

The Price of Alcohol is obviously a major issue too! I can honestly say ive never known such a huge discrepancy in the price of drink in Pubs as compared to Supermarkets!! But is it the Pubs that are to expensive or are the Supermarkets selling far to cheap?? Obviously we all want to pay as little as we can for a given product, but i would be interested to see how the price of Alcohol in Pubs today, compares to the price it was in Pubs say 25 years ago, and see how the figures compare expressed as a percentage of the average working wage! I would guess the prices would not show up to be so much more expensive now, which would then mean that the Supermarkets are causing a great problem for Pubs by holding prices down too low!!

I know i think long and hard before i go out of an evening now, and only really go out to a Pub or Club if theres live entertainment on. Otherwise may as well stay in, as sit in an empty pub/club.

Best Regards - Taggy

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In 1970 - £20 would buy you 200 pints.

Today on the minimum wage of £217-70 for a 37 1/2 hr week you would be lucky to get 100.:cheers:I think:confused:

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May get some help here.


http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f66/help-pictures-of-the-hargreaves-arms-needed-49419.html :theband:

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The results of a Scottish survey published last year shows that around 41% of alcohol is now purchased outside of Pubs...i'd have thought it even higher to be honest. It also shows some Supermarket Beer as being sold for the equivalent of 28p per pint!! This is something that pubs just can never compete with!

Beer cheaper than water drives surge in supermarket drink sales - Scotsman.com News

Best Regards - Taggy

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We can all make alcoholic drinks in fact to make a (still) was one of my first science projects.The problem is to get a balance between social drinking that is controlled where people can enjoy themselves or forcing people to make their own.:confused::confused:

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Said it before, I regularly frequent 2 very successful pubs, The Black Horse and The Peel Park, they are always busy and are clean, well run, welcoming and whilst not the cheapest in the business are worth that little bit extra because you have unripped seats and toilet doors that lock, landlords that come and clean tables after people have left, barstaff that know your name and know what you drink. Fairly basic stuff you may think but it's not that way everywhere, I was shocked at how rundown the Calder looked last week and there are certainly other places just as bad.
The pubs that are surviving are doing what they do very well and keeping their regulars happy.
Hence the ever packed quiz at the Peel and the busy lunchtime trade at the Black Horse.

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completly agree with the above particularly about the issue of the social interaction in pubs

I think a few years ago the breweries got greedy and penalised the proacive landlords who increased their barrelage and then massively increased their rents ad operated ina monopoly position in providing the beer

In order to build up trade pubs need stability however landlords don't or cant stay long enough to do so

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I believe the new landlord of The Hargreaves Arms is hoping to open in time for Xmas and I also heard tonight that The Adelphi at the bottom of Avenue Parade is due to close. Dont know if its true though.

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If you had my loudmouthed, door slamming, dog barking next door neighbours, you wouldn't want to stop in.

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It is the same here in France. A beer 25cl in a bar at lunchtome can cost you up to 3 euros. Cheaper in the evening bars, 2.25 euros for what is a half pint. Night clubs- forget it, cheaper to buy a bottle of vodka there at 80 euros than buy shots. In Lidl and Netto - German beer is available at 7.9% for 50cents a pint (50cls), 4.6% 39 cents 50 cls - guess where I drink in the evenings

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I dont think its the smokeing ban its the beer incree,s and everything else it very hard to day to run a pub with all the ins and out they have to pay to day.

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whats happening with the grey horse?????????

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Dunno lights were on weds night, but was empty n locked.:confused:

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refurbishment???

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The Grey Horse closed down last Wednesday due to financial problems. The lights are on because there is a caretaker in there looking after the building making sure that it doesn't get broken into & vandalised.

The Arden closed down due to the ill health of the tennant.

I am led to believe that the adelphi is closing down tonight. It is being sold by the brewery & de-licenced.

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200 pints Beni, to right it would, around that time my local was the White Bull up New Lane Ossy, I can remember going in one night and Ernie the Landlord said beers gone up a penny John, I just shook my head and said, "it won't be long before we can't get 10 pints for a pound:rolleyes:

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I hope Ian from the Arden is ok, ive not seen him since they came back from Turkey, i know he has had heart probs in the past and had a by-pass operation a few years back, so hope those problems havn't returned. It was usually Nathan, their lad, behind the bar when i went in! I'd like to pass my best wishes on to them.

Best Regards - Taggy

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just an example.. came to London 25 yrs ago and at the time there was around 20 pubs on the old kent road alone..I'll name a few because these were well known pubs even for the casual visitor
Thomas A Beckett- shut
Henry Cooper-shut
Gin Palace-shut
Green Man-shut
Dun Cow-shut
all these pubs shut down well before the smoking ban and the none have been re-opened ...there are no more than five pubs left on Old Kent road and it's nothing to do with smoking.
the time when you had a few old codgers sitting in pubs spending a couple of quid a day have gone..

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Re. Changes in Pub/licensing laws , seem to remember there used to be a 2 tier system with the local pubs , most 90% +/-were tied to a specific brewery and the other 10%+/- were 'free' houses (usually in out of town areas), and were allowed to sell whatever they wanted . Has this changed ? , are most pubs now 'free' houses
thx

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cant believe the grey horse has shut i can remember it was a busy establishment but the area has gone downhill fast .im glad i got out when i did....i blame rent a mob house lettings and the school for ripping down the tree at the end of street and errecting a prison fence..and why has that house been empty for 12 years????????

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No its not have a look in the Railway most days about 1pm:D

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What!!!!!!!!!! Am always good :rolleyes:

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That's sad to see those pubs closed Mancie, when I work for Shopfitters, on the South London run we always used to do the Old Kent Road crawl, especially the Thomas A Beckett, the boxers pub in those days, I remember rightly there was a Gym over the pub where the likes of Henry Cooper used to train once of a day, certainly the walls were plastered with boxing photos and memorabilia

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Far from it.

A few years ago the government of the day decided that brewery's could only own 2000 pubs So there was a big sell out to Leisure Company's who could in fact own as many as they wanted.

All tenants of these places are forced to buy all their draught and bottle beers from them.
To stop tenants sneaking the odd barrel in they developed a computerised system that recorded and relayed every pint poured to a central computer.

A recent attempt to allow free trade failed so the poor landlord is forced to buy at inflated prices,the brewerys are forced to sell to leisure companys at reduced prices.
The leisure companys charge the landlord inflated prices with the profit going to the shareholders.:confused::confused:

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Awhile back many breweries were forced to sell off a lot of their pubs, it was hoped this would help break up a monopoly situation. However they got around this in several instances, by separate "Pub Companies" being set up, often by staff who were previously brewery employee's, these companies purchased the pubs, and now run them in much the same way as the breweries previously did, controlling how products and which products are purchased, and charging high rents/fee's for the privalidge!

Best Regards - Taggy

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you are correct Jaysay.. the Beckett did have a training gym for boxers..Henry Cooper trained there as did most world famous boxers who had fights in London.. these days it's a fireplace showroom.
the Dun Cow is a doctors surgery.. the Green Man is a chinese, and the Henry Cooper is an ASDA.

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That a real shame Mancie, we often here we are living in a multicultural society, seems like most of our culture is being burnt on the bonfire of vanities there'll soon be nothing left:(

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I believe The Arden has reopened, with a new landlord, not been in yet though!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Also the Greyhorse re-opens tomorrow night.

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Regrettably, although alcohol tax increases aren't helping, the breweries are as much to blame for the demise of the local pub as any government. When a pub is tied to a brewery it is forced to buy its keg beer from them, often at twice the price that it could buy it from a independent stockist.

For example, a barrel of Fosters costs around £240 for the pub to buy from a brewery whereas it would be around £120 for the same keg direct from the distributors. Pubs are also often nailed down to ludicrous rents, regardless of takings, which leaves many landlords working for virtually nothing.

In a few years we'll be left with only the most successful free houses and gastro pubs. Fortunately, Rishton has several very very good clubs which serve excellent ale at low prices but it still leaves the three local pubs up the creek.

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I understand The Farmers Glory is shutting today

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There are 288 pints in a barrel I think

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Ithink they will all shut down in time and we will all be drinking in our own homes

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Is that the one up Fielding Lane?
I used to go in there.

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Farmers glory is on Haslingden Rd, got to the top of fielding lane, carry straight on until you come to the T junction, turn left towards Haslingden and the pub is on your left

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What do you mean Beni you think, a researcher of your calibre should know:D

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It depends on the size of the keg you order:

288 pints = 1 barrel
144 pints = 1 kilderkin
72 pints = 1 firkin

An old imperial barrel was equivalent to just under 240 pints and I believe you can also get 40 pint barrels for parties and such from breweries.

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I was trying to be kind:p A barrel is 36 gallons=288 pints I just wish Ken had been my stock taker:D I would be typing this from Bermuda.:p:D

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firkin Ken, this is a family site you know:D

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I think you'll find that most breweries nowadays tend to use Aluminium or steel barrels which are usually 50 ltr or 30 ltr. I know for a fact that S&N, Belhaven, Guinness & Bulmers do, this just makes it easier for export due to the Europeans & their weights & measures rulings.

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Jaysay A pub you did not mention on a previous page the Montague arms was the best of the lot okay it was just off the old kent road but only by 100 yards and from taylors old fish and chip transport digs on the old kent road 5minutes walk If you were not there before 7oclock you would not get a seat the blind pete london trio provided the music always two strippers and the cockney comedian compere jimmy who taught jim davidison how to tell a joke great nights now only a memory ps where you at shopfitters the same time as Alan luke

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Your right keith the Montague arms was a stand alone pub right on the bus route, it was the only building left standing as all the surrounding houses had been demolished, used to go in the Monty any Thursday, Friday, or Saturday if I was working the South London run for Shopfitters. They called the Landlord Creeping Jesus, because of his long hair which was usually all the colours of the rainbow, he was also the Drummer, along with Peter London on Moog and Jimmy Jones Singer Comedian Compare. I still have I vinyl LP recoded live at the Monty. When it eventually closed they three of them moved to a night club somewhere in Kent called the King and Queen, can't think which town it was in may have been Canterbury but not sure. Can't remember Alan Luke though Keith, not by name anyway

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Sorry about that, but 11 years of running pub quizzes has left me full of useless trivia. It's also left me full of real ale but I prefer to think of that as 'research'.

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If your into research you'll have to join the lads at the Railway, now they are a crack research team:D

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The voice of experience there. It is very educational.

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Don't you mean a research team who are crackers ?? :D :cheers: :D

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But what is the research ?? how many pints before English becomes your second language ?? ;) Or how many pints before you can converse fluidly in Gibberishanese/ Boloxnian (both very similar in aspect though !) :drink: :wacko8: Also how many years study this involves & can you get subsidies ??:D

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It's not easy when you are surrounded by ignorance,but we get by.:hehetable

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So it's like an open university then ?? :D just walk in off the street & assist with the research, now that's the kind of further education I can get on with :alc:

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Well no it is not quite that simples,You must have a degree in Metaphysical Science that must include an honours in at least one of the following;

1) Ontology.:eek:
2) Cosmology.:(
3) Epistemology:mosher:
I'd go for option 3 if I were you:hehetable.

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so which one do i have benipete .. :D:D:D

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Grumpology :p:D

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Me, I'd be glad to have any ology myself:D

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Ok Ontology = all about being - I'm a human being :) Cosmology = all about the universe - live in my own little world :) Epistemology = about philosophy Ah (BS) - I can do that :) think I might just scrape a pass there Benipete ;) Can I attend please ??

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The (BS) swung it for you:D,count yourself in,Look forward to meeting you.

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I'd love to be really clever and have an Ologyology!!;)

Best Regards - Taggy

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Before your sponsors consider further research funding, a test of your learning is required
The Booze Test - Name That Alcohol

61%= social drinker

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88 % , had never heard of Everclear , sounds like stuff for de-fogging car windows

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how come you only got 'social drinker' margaret .... when i got this :rolleyes::eek::D:D:D



Your Score: 86%

Your level: DRUNKARD

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I never tried the Absynthe:D - I'm just a 'wino'

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i actually got that one wrong ... got it on the second attempt though!!!!:D:D:D

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Err........... 91% then it said something about "Drunkard" can't understand that :o :D



Unfair advantage I used to work for S&N Germany (8 years) so I tended to spend most of my days & evenings in Pubs & Bars;) :D

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Nah ... it's a popular hooch even in parts of the US ... bought my first bottle in Loring, Montana .... mixes well with anything, even saliva if you are brave enough.;):D

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75% Lush:rolleyes:

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Pioneer Club at Church has now bit the dust i'm afraid!

Best Regards - Taggy

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I heard it went last week Taggy

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Can you elucidate? What do you mean...'it went'? Has it shut, changed hands or what?

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Just come back from the local Telegraph office in Church and can confirm that it is shut.Apparently without telling anyone.:eek:

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Mtheads father told me last thursday it had shut

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just heard Platts has shut as well - no conferfation as yet.

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Not Accrington but many of you will have driven passed this land mark pub in Haslingden before the bypass opened, it also got a mention re Churchill stopping here, at one time I think the landlord came from Ossie

"The Commercial" 1 Manchester Road, Haslingden

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used to sup in that un, along wi Roebuck n Victoria, back in the day.

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Roebuck has applied to be turned into flats and The Victoria is an Italian

"The Roebuck" (Pub) 1 Charles Lane, Haslingden BB4 5EA | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

"La Veranda" (Used to be "The Victoria" and later "Tankards") 125 Blackburn Road , Haslingden , Rawtenstall , BB4 5HL | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

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The Trouble with what was the Tankards wadey was parking, just wondering where they'll park their cars. As for the Roebuck was A lion house if I remember rightly, there were quite a few pubs in the centre besides the buck, Bull, Bay Horse, Commercial, Regent, The Tack (Foresters) another which I can remember right at the top of deardengate plus Trades club and the Irish Land League, now how many are still open I don't know (maybe Jen can tell us) I know the Bull is but under another name

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Pub re-opening!

The Plough in Ossy will be re-opening in August following extensive refurbishment.

There are pics of the interior design on their facebook webpage - looks very swish.

The Plough Hotel Oswaldtwistle | Facebook

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Sorry Jaysay I've missed this post, The Commercial is now boarded up, The Foresters is due to re-open following a re-fit, The Crown is now The Green Squirrel, The Regent is shut and the signs removed, Trades still going strong, they were outside just after nine in the morning when I walked past ! Land League still open, The Bay Horse is shut but due to re-open and Tankards is still an Italian with bad parking, hope this helps