(SVEN)Its time to get rid.
 

The English manager is once again making the headlines for all the wrong reasons.How can any England fan respect what this so called swedish soccer brain does or says any more.
Since his appointment the England team have done nothing,it as been negative and boring football,this man was brought in to build a winning team,
in my opinion things have got worse since his appointment and no wonder,
he seems to spend more time getting the tactics right in bed,lets get rid
before it gets a lot worse. :engsmil:

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Should never have appoited him IMHO ... Appoint an Englishman .. So what if we havent got the best in the world. Can't be helped. The whole concept of the English team is ENGLAND! not Sweden.

I would like to see England win the World cup.. even non football fans would.. But it simply wouldn't be the same if we won it with a forgeign manager. Dunno why but it just seems like cheating the system :(

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Come on.Slow down there.Biggest beating of a German national side on their own soil.The games we have won well outnumber the games we have lost.How many Englishmen would have taken over the managerial side of things.Look at the youth he has brought in and before it was always the same people all the time.Sven brings in new blood on a regular basis giving them experience on an international basis.Keegan took the best goal scorer to Belgium and never played him.Would we have said anything if our Rugby team had had an Australian manager.I think not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sven is not responsible for what the newspapers write. He has his ups and downs in his personal life just like the rest of us - only he has got the hoardes of journalists reporting on his everyday goings-on.

Quite right - there are no Englishmen qualified enough to do the job apart from Robson (Bobby) and Venables, but they are both out of the equation. I couldn't care less if the manager was foreign as long as we do well.

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I agree with ceejache that svens own private life is his own business and does not have anything to do with others, the only reason it is being highlighted is the fact that he is the manager of the English footy team other wise no one would care less what he got up to and with whom....

as long as he is doing the business on the field which in my opinion he is doing he should carry on but with all this pressure we will just have to see what comes out of all this.....

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This is b*ll*cks CJ and you know it is. The 70 year old one eyed & one-legged schizo dosser with 2 cans of special brew I just encountered could do a better job than that Swedish plonker...he's taking the p*ss out of England & the FA and how do we reward him? With 14 million quid PLUS bonus if he manages to get any decent results...and apart from one fluke he's had sod-all so far. If we don't get rid of him, what will we get other than more excuses to justify his pathetic mediocrity in 2006, 2008....... we certainly won't get any trophys, thats for certain.

Why is'nt this thread in the footy section, anyway? Come on, moderator...wake up and do your job....

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Well said Tealeaf even Millie the cat agrees with you...

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Your cats got more sense than CJ

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..And Millie could probably do a better job than Sven...

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Aah Tealeaf we meet again......!

Perhaps you could tell me how being 70, with one eye and one leg is detrimental to a persons coaching/management of a football team? Schizophrenia and drunkeness may well be a problem however (though Cloughie seemed to manage OK being trollied)!

Lets look at the last four English manangers; Taylor - hahahaha, Venables - did ok, but people forget that v.Spain in Euro 96 Q/F they had two perfectly good goals ruled out and we won the lottery of penalties, he also brought disrepute on the FA with his alleged dodgy dealings, Hoddle - 2nd round of W/C, disgraced himself and the FA with his loony comments about disabled people and his Eileen Drewery nonsense, Keegan - knocked out in the group stages of Euro 2000, couldn't take the pressure and chickened out. Sven and the England teams achievements in the last 3 years put the previous 11 years firmly in the shade don't you think?! Despite the intolerable incursions into his private life Sven has stuck to the job and persevered when it would have been all too easy to pack it all in and earn as much at Chelsea or wherever with less media scrutiny.

The England managers job is a thankless task and we should get off his back a little.

All I can hear are accusations and no real solutions.

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So fourteen million quid is thankless...fourteen million for doing nowt? What planet are you on CJ?

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ok ok he is over paid for what he does but that is not his fault itz the F.A.'s fault for tryin to get the "best" person for the job then paying them stupid monoply money... am sure if we were in his postion we would be happy to get paid that sort of money. i cant rememba sven actaully sayin tht he wanted to be paid 14 million am sure tht was the F.A. sayin we pay the best for the best ?????? id say gud luk to him n cari on with what he is doing but tryin to get his private life involved is not reall y a gud thing iz it but hey no one is perfect

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all well and good accept for one thing...... he isn't doing a good job by any standard..

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i think that he is doing well not brilliant by all means but he is doing better than the other managers.....

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What do you think he is doing well? We havent won anything and not looked likely to win anything. If he is the highest paid england manager ever then he should be the best. Surely we measure this by his achievements... which as far as i can see are nothing.

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ok gud point i know where u r coming 4rm and i do agree if we do pay the most for a manager why should we settle for anything less.... but the game is all about skill aswell as luck, skill we may have but the luck thing is never on our side you can say that with other teams within europe or further out but hey we just arent gud enough we have got good individuals but as a team i do not think tht we gel well together

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Oy Tealeaf calm down mate.This has all come about because of the new rage.MEDIA PROSTITUTION.This tart who has been screwing around is set to make a fortune for 4 minutes ( Standard time with foreplay and a ciggie ).It is welll known that when all the blood in the male body rushes to certain members of the body then all logic ceases to exist.This is however a characteristic male gene.All that is happenning is that Sven is shopwing he is human.If he does get sacked Tealeaf then i will take graet pleasure in putting your name forward to take over his position.When all said and done i like the guy.He helped beat the Germans 5 - 1 on German soil and that is a sight i will never forget as long as i live

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Who would yopu put forward then at this present time.Kenny Dalglish?

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IMY - You just put forward a great argument for sacking the guy. Not what I was expecting from someone supporting him :)

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i knw i knw am just sayin what i think if he does go i think martin o'neil should be given a chance but hey am sure you will think of reasons as to why he should not be given the chance kenny mayb but he has bin out for a while now hasnt he ??

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Why do you say that? someone will always find a reason for someone not to do somehting.... but why would you say it about oniel and not kenny D

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i was regarding tht as to ur own opinions as well everyones elsez as we all have our own views dnt we kipax ?? regarding who sud b the nxt Eng mamager if sven does go. u feelin ok ???

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Eh? I put forward a great arguement in the defence of Sven versus the track record of the previous English managers over the last decade - and all you can do Tealeaf is pick up on maybe the most unimportant sentence out of the entire 'essay'. I live on the planet of 'presenting sound reasoning', unlike the inhabitants of 'throwaway jokey comment' - a small inconsequential planet in the galaxy of 'havn't got a ****ing clue'! ;-) You know I enjoy this bickering!

Still haven't heard any solution or alternatives? O'Neil is N.Irish and wouldn't have the support of Kipax or Tealeaf so thats a non starter, same goes for Daglish (Scottish, obviously).

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why are you asking me if I am feeling alright., I hope your not being insulting? This is a conversation about sven as manager.. please dont insult me for joining in... I simply ask why you think we will find reasons not to have oniel but not with kenny.. nothing more ... if you cannot understand or follow that then fair enough.. but asking me if i am feeling ok? whats that all about?

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Stop being such a girl Kipax. On another thread not so long ago (an hour) you inferred that I had half a brain, and asked if I needed paper and crayons to explain it to me before telling me not to have a heart attack.....not insulting?........oh, the double standards!

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ceejach... what the hell has it got to do with you exactly? your now the savior of all on accyweb are you... is it your intention to read my every post to see if i say something that you find contradicts somehting else?

i dont recall anyone dying and putting you in charge

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All I saying is that you dish out enough insulting comments yourself! What is has to do with me is that I have been on the receiving end of your 'insulting' comments before and then when I reply in a similar vein I get accused of being insulting! I dont really take offence at any comments that come my way (unless someone is really wanting to call me a tw*t or whatever) I just take it as harmless bickering and banter, as do the majority on here I think. Only on this thread Tealeaf said that Millie the cat had more brains than I do - hey, its just banter and I found it funny myself. ;-)

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If your not insulted and dont take offence (as indeed none is ever intended) then why feel the need to jump on your white horse and come to other peoples rescue. Whatever i said wasnt directed at you.. had nothing to do with you and wasnt in my opinion even slightly offending to anyone.... yet here you came charging in taking me to task about it....

It wasnt any of your business.

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Its not coming to other peoples rescue on my white horse, but thanks for attributing the chivalry to me! ;)

You said yourself that you dont intend any offence, doesn't this extend to comments in reply to yourself though? :confused:

Perhaps the above was nothing to do with me - but you must understand that it is quite vexing when I take your 'insulting' comments in jest then reply in the same jocular manner only to be told that I am being offensive?! :)

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I think its time as England fans to get in the real world, as a footballing nation we are second rate, we have won nothing since 66 and we still live on the fact that as world cup winners we are something special well since 66 Brazil has won it 3 times,Germany twice,Italy and France Not England as for the European Championships its a joke but we can always blame the manager, not the players who are overpaid underachivers or the FA who couldnt organise a **** up in a brewery or even the managers of clubs who wont release their players for friendlys, if you look at the last 10 friendlys that England played only 7 players from a squad of 22 actualy were available to play thats real team bonding, imagine sir scum not having players available before the season started. As for English or foreign who has the credentials no English manager has won anything abroad since Bob Paisley, Robsons to old, Venables look what he did to Leeds, I heard that Micky Mouse still wears a Terry Venables watch, so if we are going to have a foreigner then at least Sven is keeping his end up for England we could of course get Souness then he could blame all the players.

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Will admit one thing.Over here there are many nationaltys living together, Turks,Kroats,Slavs, Russians to mention a few.None of them ever want to come up against teh English side so we must be feared in Europe to say the least

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Feared for what? we beat the Germans (2 world wars 1 world cup) 5-1 on their turf but did we progress, no, we have a good side not a great one, great ones win World Cups. Just a thought David Beckham earned more money last year not including endorsments then Ronaldo and Carlos, David James gets more money then Julio Cesar, they have world cup medals Beckham and James dont do you think they care? No country would fear 0-0 with a minute left and a penalty to England.

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Ok to answer your first sentence.We beat them in 2 world wars but when all said and done i do believe that we will get somewhere in the not too distance future.Me personally am hoping for a world cup win in Germany in 2006.If that does nopt happen then i would consider getting rid of the Manager.Until then well, wait and see.If nothing comes ofit i believe that Mr. Goran - Erikson will leave of his own accord

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Clearly the biggest problem we face is who to replace him with. I'd prefer an English manager, but have no problem with the guy provided the results are right.

The main problem with the team is twofold. First, David James is THE worst keeper England have had ever. He clearly is a decent shot stopper or he wouldn't be playing in the Premiership, but his organisation, his communication, and his positioning are dreadful. Kirkland and Robinson are clearly the way forward - Robinson should have played ahead of James in Euro 2004. I'm not saying he's the best keeper in the world, but he's certainly better than James.

Secondly, the reluntance of Premiership managers to let players play for their country. Sure we all understand they can't afford silly injuries picked up in non-competative games, but is donning the 3 lions not what every english player should crave more than anything? There is no way any player should ever make himself unavailable for an England game without a DAMN good reason. The right to wear that shirt is a privilege.

As far as the amount of money they get paid goes. David Beckham, in his final year at United, was on a basic wage of £90,000 a week. That's about 4 times what I earn in a year. Then you have his bonuses, image rights royalties, sponsorships, public appearances, etc, etc. It was estimated he earnt somewhere around £12.5 million. Yes it makes me spit, makes me sick to the stomach, but if I got offered that kind of money, you KNOW i'd be there.

The point is, you can't blame Sven for taking the money. Only Terry Venables would have come close to achieving what he did at Euro 2004, and i'm not sure even he would have given his stint at Leeds. When a viable alternative comes along (and I wouldn't be adverse to Martin O'Neil. I think he'd be fantastic) then we can start turning up the heat. Otherwise we'll be left with who? Howard Wilkinson? David Platt? Trevor Brooking? Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggg gghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

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If Sven was to go (and i hope he doesn't) the right man to replace him would be Steve Bruce but whether he'd leave Birmingham???

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I almost totally agree with you about Steve Bruce, but has he had the relevant experience? He hasn't won a great deal yet. Erikkson has won an awful lot, and then some. A quick search revealed this little lot :-

Swedish cup x 2
Swedish league winner
Portuguese league winner x 3
Serie A league winner
Italian cup x 4
Italian super cup winner
Uefa cup runner-up
European cup runner-up
European cup winner
Eufa cuper cup winner
World cup 1/4 finals
European championships 1/4 final

He's got the pedigree - he's actually done rather well with England, I just think some of the players haven't done it for him - think James, Beatty, Owen to an extent, Beckham had a terrible European championships, Heskey (god only knows why he persevered with him!!!).

I think his major downfall is that although he's obviously learning more and more about the English game, certainly to begin with, he had no idea who the best players in the country with, and that led to the ridiculous practice of playing 18million players in each friendly - a detail that REALLY annoyed me!

I would however, prefer an English manager. We'll be signing Cudicini next because he's eligible to play for us by virtue of having played here for 3 years and never having played for Italian senior squad........................

Now THERE'S an idea!!!