Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 765597)

It was a private members bill not Conservative Party Policy. David Cameron has no control over private members bills. You're aware of this, we've had the same discussion before. Bringing it up again now is just a rehash of the attempts to create a fake dividing line. David Cameron has confirmed that it is Conservative Party policy to keep the minimum wage.

Your final comment just displays cheap reverse snobbery.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 765598)

I am sure if he had wanted to that David Cameron could have put pressure on the MP's concerned to not table the bill. I have every right to include anything that I feel is pertinent to my posts and quite frankly I do not have to attempt to create a dividing line as one enormous line already exists and will do so until hell freezes over.

Also Andrew I will be the judge of what I wish to include in my posts not you.

Regarding my final comment I was not displaying (I repeat NOT) reverse snobbery. What right do you have to form an opinion of why I typed that sentence. It is my honestly held opinion that David Cameron and his cronies are a bunch of no hopers born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

Maybe when you are less wet behind the ears (with more knowlege of real life - not what you have read in books or been told by your lecturers), you will be more qualified to argue with your elders. Until then it might be wise to
keep your mouth shut and not presume you know the motives of others in their posts.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 765600)

Claytonender the bill was withdrawn. Do you not think there might have been some action behind the scenes to ensure that was the case? You were displaying reverse snobbery. You referred to them in a derogatory way by their class and education.

I will not 'keep my mouth shut', as much as this may be an inconvenience to you. :)

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 765506)

Mancie would have people believe. It's very easy for Mancie to just come along and write a loud of nonsense. The problem he has is that it is just that - a load of nonsense. Just take for example his view that 'the Conservatives would get rid of the minimum wage', it's rubbish, but it's politically useful for him to get angry about. As the saying goes, why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 765619)

Maybe as some of the high earners are in the banking business then they should get hit in the pocket. They are partly responsible for the mess the countries in!!!!

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 765632)

so no knocking Gordon or he will come and visit you in the night.......

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 765603)

if David Cameron had wished he could have prevented it ever being tabled in the first place.

Your problem is that you can not bear anyone to criticise your 'saintly' leader.

Originally Posted by Mancie

OK Andrew..you seem to know the Tory policy for an economic recovery, any chance of you giving an insight of that policy?.. I'm willing to bet it will not involved the highest earners in the country contributing in any form, quite the opposite.. so were will the Tories make the cuts and increase income for the treasury?..if history is anything to go by it will be gained from the lower paid along with single parents and those who struggle most in our "society"

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 765647)

Claytonender, how do you know David Cameron was aware of the private members bill before it was tabled by individual MPs? I doubt he did.

I am fine with anybody criticising David Cameron if it's based on factual policy. I've done so myself in the past.



Mancie, I don't have time to write every single policy relating to the economy, but here are some. You'll be pleased to hear that David Cameron has agreed with raising the top rate of tax to 50% during the economic recovery, quite a steep rise considering it has been 40% for some time. This is a policy I disagree on (surprise Claytonender :)), as does Hyndburn's current MP.

It's not all about tax rises though, they can't entirely solve the huge budget deficit. We have to remember the scale of the crisis we're now in. In the 70's the budget deficit was 7% and had to be bailed out by an IMF loan, now the deficit is a staggering 14%. Whichever party comes into power spending will be cut in many areas. I'm sure personally you disagree with it, but we simply can't keep this budget deficit up or we will lose the confidence of investors preventing us from borrowing and things could get a lot worse. Not to mention the interest we're paying on our current borrowings. The interest is far greater than some of our current spending budgets - what a waste. The Conservative Party are thus far the only party to ring fence the NHS from spending cuts.

There's lots of in depth policies to help a recovery, I just thought I'd post a flavour of the tax and spending policy.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 765663)

i'll just post a flavour of whats in todays "Mail" page4 by a senior Tory councillor= Stephen Greenhalgh conservative leader of Hammersmith n Fulham Council, he said- My mates are all in shadow cabinet waiting, i went to university wi em they havent run a p1ss up in a brewery, theres more but i couldn't type it all fer laughing.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 765851)

Surprise, surprise...so, we're going to have one lot who're not up to running the country, replaced by another lot who're not up to running the country. :rolleyes:

One thing that did genuinely surprise me, though, was that the Mail of all papers should choose to run with this story. I thought they were a Tory-supporting rag?

What are they up to? :confused:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 765925)

It is about time that you folks started reading uncensored news "like what I do"