Originally Posted by cashman (Post 773420)

would suit me if ALL countries topped Drug Smugglers, including ours.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 773420)

would suit me if ALL countries topped Drug Smugglers, including ours.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 773451)

Spot on cashy and while we're a it top the likes of Huntley, Sutcliffe West, Neilon and company too, instead of keeping them in luxury for the rest of their miserable lives

Originally Posted by vera (Post 773412)

if you are going to drug smuggle into a foreign country, read the rules about it first, find out the facts as to what the penalty is, if you agree with the rules then take your chance, otherwise, opt out. Bi-polar is NO excuse for "innocent" drug smuggling. There is no such thing. :mad:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 773503)

You are spot on with that Vera. He did the crime so take the punishment and all that.

Is he the one who was supposedly tricked into it though?

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 773508)

It is people like this claiming to be mentally ill that do most damage for others who genuinely do suffer from mental illness IMHO. Being bi-polar does not mean you don't know right from wrong, it means you are prone to episodes of manic depression. Sorry but that is no defense for drug smuggling.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 773493)

This man was supposed to have a mental illness, but it didn't stop him from travelling halfway around the world...nor did it stop him from being the owner of a night club.
Call me cynical but maybe much was made of his mental instability to try and reduce the punishment.
He took a risk to smuggle drugs(drugs that would kill many people.......and harm the families of those who took the drugs) he got caught and he has been dealt with.

It would be good if our judiciary could learn a lesson from this case.

And while I am on the subject, can Gordon Brown not see the hypocrisy of his interverntion in this case? I am thinking that Gary Mc Kinnon(whose actions harmed no-one) is someone who Mr Brown should intervene on behalf of, to save him from being deported.
Gary Mc Kinnon is a British National....also with a mental disorder.......if he deserves to be punished for what he did, then let the British judiciary decide on his sentence, not the American court.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 773521)

but he managed a cab office...

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 773540)

fair cross section of members from different sections of society have commented on this, all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet, yet once again "No One" who is actually in politics has said a word,:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by wadey (Post 773547)

When in Rome.....................
So what does the government suggest? Send him back here so he can serve his sentence at our cost?
Have you noticed how they are "ill" when caught and we never hear about the dozens of times he got away with it, we started all this nonsense when we moaned about Blackburn girl Rita Nightingale being arrested in Thailand
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...c=GetTRDoc.pdf
and then the cheeky xxxxxxxxx start moaning about the death penalty, I don't remember much of an outcry when Saddam Hussain was hung

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 773548)

it is like the guy who tried to detonate an explosive device on the American airlines plane.......he was caught red handed......

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 773564)

the only thing about it in my eyes is crap security.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 773565)

maybe pre arranged crap security, which would never have been known about if the fire bomber had succeeded

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 773565)

maybe pre arranged crap security, which would never have been known about if the fire bomber had succeeded

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 773507)

Yes, someone apparently told him if he'd be their mule, they'd make him a world renowned singing sensation.

Which silly ass would believe that?


http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/mult...280_57043a.jpg

Originally Posted by Less (Post 773500)

I agree with all the above posts though, I do find it a little severe Jay that you should include Neilon in your list.
I for one had never heard of him, so I did a quick google and although someone that plays Hockey isn't what I would consider a popular person with some I think your punishment for this man is a touch over the top!

Mike Neilon hockey statistics & profile at hockeydb.com

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 773577)

I was referring to Donald Neilson, the Black Panther, who murdered Derek Astin at the Baxenden post office in the 70s Less

Originally Posted by Less (Post 773580)

Neilson, Neilon what difference does the odd speeling mistuck mek soh loung ass wee cun harng somboody, eh?

The guy looks guilty to me and I haven't seen a picture.:D

Originally Posted by oldclaytonian (Post 773619)

(Also if you come to the Isle of Man you will need medical Insurance as the reciprocal health agreement which the UK government are cancelling works both ways) I wish I was rich enough to be a tax exile

Originally Posted by Less (Post 773569)

Back shortly just making a low quality video recording as proof of the above.:D

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 773576)

I found the sound on the clip indistinct and hard to listen to, but I am not getting into conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 773635)

Less, what are you drinking these days? You've lost me.
I was referring to the clip from Youtube which MargaretR cited.....explain yourself man!

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 773640)

aaah, all becomes clear now....thank you for taking time to enlighten me.
I'm sorry to hear that the tap has run dry at Westwood mansions.....I hope that the fault can be rectified in order for you to wet the head of the babe New Year.......oh and on that note.......A Happy one to you Less.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 773663)

one sure thing, the execution video won't end up on you tube, the chinks are very funny about stuff like that, don't even allow spectators.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 773542)

Was just thinking the same thing myself. Could we have comments from Graham, Bernard, ClaytonEnder on this...

...or will it be the usual wall of silence? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 773679)

If our country is against the death penalty, then why do we extradite to the USA which has the penalty?

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 773679)

If our country is against the death penalty, then why do we extradite to the USA which has the penalty?

It just stinks of hypocrisy. We send our citizens to America to face their legal system and penalties, under the excuse that the crime was committed on their computers and therefore their territory in the case of the computer hacker. Then when it suits we demand that the Chinese don't use their penal system, and hand him back, despite being caught with large quantities of illegal drugs on Chinese soil. Which is it gonna be?

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 773687)

The UK does not allow the extradition its citizens or anyone elses to the US if they are facing charges which carry the Death Penalty , the UK requires a guarantee from the State doing the trial (each State has its own legal system) . Think there is a trial going on now in Massachusetts involving a Brit on trial for killing his wife and child , he fled to the UK but was sent back when Massachusetts promised not to execute him, also I think Massachusetts being one of those commie liberal pinko States doesn't even have the Death Penalty.
This is the arguement being used by the one eyed hook handed terrorist you have in jail , he is facing Federal charges which I think if found guilty could involve the DP . Personally I think the US could be persuded to quietly ease up on the computer hacker if the UK speeded things up with the one eyed hook handed guy . ;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 773723)

Abu Hamza is due to be extradited to the U.S. as soon as he's served his seven year sentence in a British jail. His extradition was only agreed if he wouldn't be facing a death sentence.

The most difficult part for him will be trying to get through all the new increased security checks at the airport, because of 25/12, and the exploding underpants.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 773724)

so wheres the sense in us keeping him in a british nick, that being the case?:confused: why not get him off our hands now?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 773731)

The TaxPayers' Alliance estimates father-of-eight Hamza has so far cost Britain £2.75million in welfare payments, council housing, NHS and prison bills, trials and legal appeals.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 773723)

Abu Hamza is due to be extradited to the U.S. as soon as he's served his seven year sentence in a British jail. His extradition was only agreed if he wouldn't be facing a death sentence.

The most difficult part for him will be trying to get through all the new increased security checks at the airport, because of 25/12, and the exploding underpants.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 773733)

ah that explains it, there gonna round it up to a cool 3 million.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 773734)

Seems he should be a plane fairly soon (time off for good behaviour etc. ) Think the super-max federal jail in Colorado has room waiting for him , its on the 4th level (below ground level) 24 hr solitary , lights on 24/7 , be intersting to see if the US Govt. will issue entry visas to his family for British Govt. social security paid for visits . :D :D

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 773734)

its on the 4th level (below ground level)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 773731)

The TaxPayers' Alliance estimates father-of-eight Hamza has so far cost Britain £2.75million in welfare payments, council housing, NHS and prison bills, trials and legal appeals.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 773732)

...and that's not mentioning that he shouldn't really have been allowed to be resident here in the first place, as his first wife, from whom he claimed the right to stay, wasn't divorced from her first husband when she married Captain Hook, thus voiding his claim to live here.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 773738)

kind of makes the HBC Labour Councillors complaints about the cost of calenders seem a bit petty , :D :D

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 773738)

kind of makes the HBC Labour Councillors complaints about the cost of calenders seem a bit petty , :D :D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 773739)

Since this forum is a local one, it is just the place to debate local issues, especially with the poor state of our local papers.

Issues which shouldn't be fudged or demeaned by saying there more important national and international stories, which people are also free to discuss here. Though personally I tend to air my own views on issues like that more on national and international forums.

;)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 773663)

one sure thing, the execution video won't end up on you tube, the chinks are very funny about stuff like that, don't even allow spectators.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 773757)

Point taken , I'm outta here , won't be bothering you again