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Hia,

I am an irish traveller who has recently moved to Accrington. I came to England in 1992 when i was one year old and have lived in many towns.

You get used to the hostility and racism but never before have i witnessed such racist behaviour as i have in Accrington. Almost every single thread on this site reffering to Gypsies is negative some people reffering to us as "wild animals".

The fact of the matter is GENERALLY, the reason why we are here in the first place in because English soldiers, following orders forced families to flea Ireland,..... and the Freedom fighters (IRA) where made out to be terrorists for protecting their families.

DOES NOBODY RESPECT THE FACT THAT BE YOU A TRAVELLER, PAKISTANI OR POLE,... YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING TO !!!

I live in a caravan and i am proud to call myself a Gypsy. I am proud of my heritage and the gypsy culture. I think people who dismiss an entire race and culture on the wrongdoings of a minority are massively ill informed.

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To be honest i have been on this site for a while and i have not seen the negatives u have seen but then again if u search for hatred you will find it...

I am not against gypsies. I am against crinimals whether they be English or otherwise

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Umm ..hello Gypodec and welcome to Accyweb :confused:

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Gordie in disguise

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If you do not want to be referred to in the negative, then act in the positive and that is how you will be treated. Hello and welcome

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Welcome to Accyweb........:rolleyes:........I think

I don't understand why you should bother to register if you think we are all racist, and the first thing that you do is to have a pop at the members...you have used your right to speak your mind, let the other members have the right to do the same.......

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I see the 'local' travellers in a pub I go into they don't seem to have the same chip on their shoulder you have.

No reason why you shouldn't be proud of your heritage.

If you consider us all to be ill informed I think I recognise a slight if not large amount of prejudice in your own heart, but now you have a chance to educate us, please try to do it in a pleasant manner, (mentioning the IRA might not be a good way to start).
Welcome to accyweb enjoy yourself.

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was thinkin that meself, don't buy this tale of woe at all.:rolleyes:

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I aint sure what to make of this. I went to school with gypsies and as a teen was always with the teens of exiled Irish families from N.I and had a great time with them. Looks like a search was done on the forum for Irish and Gypsies to me as a taster.

As to the point of respecting the Polish, Pakistani, Irish or anyone else of an ethnic minority as human beings I take them as I find them and live with that. There will always be trouble from a minority of any ethnic background and we have them as well.

A peruse properly of the sight will show that we do have opinions good and bad but in general just speak our minds and let it rest. If it was considered out of hand or racist the mods would be down on us like a ton of bricks. As a family site we have rules to abide by and behave accordingly.

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I went to school with a gypsy too Spugs gypsy Joe Smith, lived on the Green in Ossy then got a house next to the green. Only recently he got in contact with me after about 40 years he lives in Cheshire and is a lay preacher, he actually came to see me and we had a good reminisce about old times

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Er...hate to disillusion your cultural heritage, but if you're an 'Irish traveller', you aren't a Gypsy, who are of Romani/Hindu origin.

I could live in a kennel, and pretend I was a dog...though I wouldn't be one in reality.

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If I was a traveller, and found the locals hostile, I'd keep on travellin'.

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Who needed protecting from Johnathon Ball, the three year old who was killed in the Warrington bombings?

Yes blind prejudice and narrow-mindedness, judging people as a whole, rather than as individuals, is a terrible thing to do.

;)

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Freedom fighters......so why bomb the mainland then? Killing innocent civilians.
Sorry but you really seem to be wanting to cause trouble, so I will not bite.
Rindi, well said

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i'm convinced this is a load of baloney.:rolleyes:

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Very suspicious of this! ;)

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I'd be inclined to agree with you except this guy seems a little more friendly than Gordie.
;)

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just a different tactic to stir the crap. IMHO.:)

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So does he get Gordies wooden spoon and large pot then?

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Wouldn't it be nice to put Gordie and others like him into a large pot and then we can all take turns squatting over it to do our daily duty?

:pain30:

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Lessssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

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I notice he/she hasn't responded to any of these comments!!

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Difficult to do that when you aren't logged in & online!
:)

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Welcome to accyweb we have travelers what live round the corner they payed for the land were thay are and they have made it nice .

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i bought some lucky heather from this guy and my fiance left me..

where do i buy some more :D

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Like with everything you have a small minority who are not law abiding, and we are all tarred with the same brush. I was brought up to show respect to the people and places i moved to,.... and if i didnt knew that my dad would be down on me like a tonne of bricks.

Which site is this mallard ? The Jim West one at Moscow Mill ?

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i used to sup wi quite a few of the "Wests"n "Harrisons" in mid 60s, good salt of the earth people, no-one i know regarded em as gypsys/travellers, which goes to show to me, ya live right,ya get treated right.

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The older Jim West is a good man,.. Was the first travellers to settle in Accrington,... he bought loads of houses in spring hill to try and get more travellers settled

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Is this an Oxymoron?

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The problem with travelers in Hyndburn is, on to many occasions, we have had these people set up camp on football pitches, car parks and the like casing thousands of pounds worth of damage and a pig sty to clear up after them, so don't be to surprised if a lot of people on here aren't to keen on travellers

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You will find that the majority of those travellers who just turn up at unofficial sites or street corners are the outcasst who have been refused entry onto proper sites.....

Gypsy sites tend to be self policing so you find that the travellers you see on the street are the criminals and those you may not get to see on the sites are in fact civil and community minded.

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good on ya for clearing that up lad

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so if I am reading that statement correctly then your saying that the IRA were infact not terrorists? who killed inoccent women and children for decades?

if that is what your saying then your a total arse.

if thats not what your saying? then please clarify and I will apologise..

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I understand where youtr coming from, perhaps i should have been more clear. I totally disagree with what the so called "IRA" did in England and agree they where terrorists,.... i refer to the true Irish Republican Army back home in Derry who fought for their homes and livliehoods when the Black and Tans converged on them.

I Totally agree that taking the conflict from Ireland to England and bombing innocent people was an act of Terrorism,... something that wouldnt have been condoned by the IRA or Provo leaders back home

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It's fair enough that you stand up for your community but you are mistaken when defending the IRA and Provo leaders.... they DID condone murders in England as well as Northern Ireland.

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My Father was in the army before WW2 and he told me that the black & tans were made up mainly from home grown Irish-men and a sprinkling of ex WW1 soldiers & that their behaviour and the way they treated their fellow Irish men was despised by both the Irish people & the British troops who would have nothing to do with them.

How true that is I don't know, as it's only second hand information.

As this episode in History was somewhere around 1920-21ish I do not see how it should be brought up as an argument for what the IRA did from the late 60's until what now unfortunately seems to be happening again.

P.S. I'm not being prejudice I happened to marry an Irish Girl and we lived happily for 5 years, admittedly we were actually married 35 years but the happy five have been since she left me!:D

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I went to Northern Ireland, Ballemena, for a holiday, i found MOST of the residents to be kind, courtious and very friendly. There is always a minority of unhappy residents, no matter where you live. If you are not happy with the environment then move on. I was not happy with the area i was living in, so i moved elsewhere.

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I understand what your saying vera but it not always a case of just being able to move on,... we have a lot of family in Accrington and Blackburn and most of them are in school.

Most of the travellers who still travel will be moving on to Lancaster shortly however for Michael O'Mara Murphys (King of the Gypsies) Funeral.

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Well while you are there, get on with life, enjoy it and stop moaning. If you don't like Accrington do not return after Lancaster.

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That is because most of Ballymena is more pro British than most of England. It is a really nice place.

I was offered a job there in about 2001. My company sent us over 2 or 3 times and we were even looking at houses. The only reason I am here now is we could not agree on the salary.

Looking back I am glad I turned it down. Shortly after I turned down a job on the Isle of Man - I am still not sure if I did the right thing with that one.

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Should have gone for that one Neil, you can drink as much as you like but you will never end up legless.

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I was messed about by the engineering manager during the recruitment process, he basically lied to me. I told the recruitment agent to tell him I could not work for him after seeing how he conducts business. :D

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No katex quite the opposite in fact, Accrington is a lovely little town,... i thinks thats why it attract so many Romas/Gypsies/Tinkers etc

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I just thought it was because we have more official sites than anywhere else in Lancashire.

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I thought it was because of the Hedgehog Farm over Ossy:hehetable

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many thanks for clearing that up and I retract my calling you a total arse. you are infact a very fair and honest gentleman.

and inregards to your initial post - its good to hear of someone who is proud of their history etc and I dare say there is an element who give you all the bad name that I dare say you have..

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Got to admit, I don't like the way this thread is going, I don't mind discussing with someone the fact that I do or don't like their ethnicity but I do mind being dragged into a discussion about the pro's & cons of the IRA. I am happy with neither Muslim nor Irish 'terrorist's' they do not represent the good members of their communities.

So until that murderous subject is tucked nicely out of the way, I think I might just revise my thought's on tinkers to being 'suspect'.
:(

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People judge you by the company you keep.
That is not the sound way of making a judgement of anybody.
It is better to either, never make judgements, or never identify/join with groups.

I wonder whether I did right joining this one:confused::D

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I am all for people coming into the community and living a peacable life, I'm all for those who integrate and give something back, I'm all for those who follow the rule of law, I'm all for those who treat the place they live with respect......clear up their mess or pay someone to do it for them if they themselves cannot(for whatever reason) do it.
It is called live and let live.
Having seen some of the disgusting mess that some travelling families leave behind....soiled nappies, household items etc........this is what causes the prejudice and dislike of the travellers.
And of course, I know that we shouldn't judge the many by the actions of the few, but it is really hard. It is much easier to go with the evidence of what we see on a daily basis.

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Margaret i agree with what you have said, on the few occassion which i have temporarily stopped on disused land, carparks etc whilst waiting for the council to complete paperwork for us to move onto their sites.... i have taken everything to council waste centres.

Every Gypsy family,... by their nature,... have some means of travel and so should dispose of their waste.

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I applaud you for that action, but you can see how the lazy itinerants give the true gypsy families bad press can't you?
And that is where the prejudice grows from....we all want to live in places that are clean and tidy, and to discourage vermin from our homes and yet the people who leave their litter that encourages rats and such have no conscience about what they are doing to the local environment.......and when they have made a mess they scoot off to do the same somewhere else.
It looks bad, it looks like the locals don't care about where they live. When in actuality, it isn't they who have littered the place.

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Lancaster council and Burnley council have in the past offered us bins where we have set up before even when they were applying for eviction orders against us.

We didnt however take the bins as i dont believe that resident of those towns respectively should pay for my refuse collection.

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Thats very nice not expecting me to pay for your rubbish removal. But can I ask do travellers pay Council Tax? Income Tax? or Claim benefits?

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Yes ! we pay income tax and yes,... if we setlle we pay council tax

As for benefits i have always been taught not to rely on anyone other than my family for support and wouldnt dream of asking the Government for money. I think if you can provide you should and if you cant you should get a job.

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Glad to hear it, but of course if you are always moving around, surely it must be hard to keep a job.

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Most travellers are self employed,... work for and travel with their families or work for the local head of sites in the towns where they move to

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Ah the great Self Employed argument, but what exactly do you do. Sorry but your point of working for each other does not make much sense.

I have friends who are self employed, being paid in cash always helps.

Please understand I have no issue with you or your kind, I have never really come across any travellers, but you seem to feel very persecuted, from your first post onwards, even using the IRA and pIRA in your arguments. They may be freedom fighters, but the minute they kill civilians they become murderers.

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the irish traveller population have always been self employed hence the names "tinkers" and "knacker" repairers of tin and the aquisition of dead horses respectively.

Know almost all Gypsy men work in construction, Grounwork, Recycling or on Markets.

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As a non Council Tax payer should you be allowed to use the waste centre?

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Yes i think we should because otherwise we would have no alternative but to find somewhere else to dispose of it,.... at least we are not littering your streets

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Must be me, Still makes no sense. never mind, all the best for the new year

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That is a nice separatist attitude "your streets".

I like to think of them as our streets personally.

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I dont me to come accross as anti-integration but i regard them as the streets of the people of the town and as i do not regard myself as a permanent resident i respect the fact that i am in someone elses town.

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I think that was the quickest bit of backtracking B.S. I have ever seen, well done.
:D

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The bottom's fallen out of the peg basket.

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As a resident of this Country I see them as our streets.

I even pay for the damn things with road and Council tax.

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That is exactly how i read into your statement,however not sure were all this is going and why suddenly at 4am in the morning this subject is brought up.

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I knew you lived in a world of your own but didn't realise it had it's own time zone!
according to accywebs clock you posted at 19.57 and the original thread starter at 03.10.

So where does 4am come from?
:confused:

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im with you on this one cashy.

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You dont know me at all. Apologies for the time mistake your correct 3.10am

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Well, you've had almost a day to integrate into our little community, feel free to come out of this thread and jump into any other, or aren't we good enough to mix with outside your world?

;)

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I think this thread is getting completely out of hand. To me, it sounds like this person is just trying to start one big argument amongst all the true accywebbers, and then will just sit back and laugh at us all for biting the bait.

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Quite agree vera, still think it could be Gordie in disguise:D

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I am sorry Jaysay, but i did, or do not, know Gordie, so you have me at a disadvantage. Simply, not got a clue who you talking about :confused:

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i was thinking same, but have now revised me opinion.;)

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I think there is a clue in the fact that a post of mine was deleted. Was nothing offensive at all ... just that I put up a quote from GypoDec's post 38 where he had shown a link to a Gypsy funeral in Lancaster. The link has also been deleted on this post. Could this have been a fictitious piece of reporting I wonder and easy to spot??

Wouldn't normally question a deletion but I will in this case. ?

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Na kate is just the mods have sussed you out as a trouble maker:D

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He's a numpty that comes on here and stirs it up occasionally:rolleyes:

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Oh, so they are beginning to breed on here? Don't need any. :rolleyes:

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was post 40 the link was on kate. which has vanished completly.;) its now neils is that post.:D

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Evenin' all, just read through what has been said on the site here. If young GypsyDec (who by his own entries is only 18-19 ?) seems to think the UK & in particular Accy is full of hostility and racism, he really hasn't seen the world and is making a fuss over things he doesn't fully understand. I live in Germany and we have two types of Gypsies here there are the Sinti, believed to have originated in & around India/Asia and travelled across, and then the Romany from the Balkan/Roumania/hungary they have also travelled across and both "tribes" have settled in western Europe.
Now the Sinti settle down and work hard, but usually in the Summer they'll pick up and wander off for 6 month, but they always come back home and lead "normal lives" as for the Romany they'll be on the move pretty much permanently the only time they seem to settle is when they do seasonal work, but once that's finished they'll up and away and sadly sometimes leaving a right mess behind and with some kit that isn't technically theirs. So the Romany get slated from the Locals and by their Sinti cousins. So in effect they bring it upon themselves, unfortunately we also get the Irish Travellers, note the distinction here, "Travellers not Gypsies" every couple of years they turn up in Germany illegally occupy a site that isn't even designated then flood the area with offers of drives being laid/brickwork etc, they stay around as long as they can before they're moved on by the Town, usually by force and they leave behind a lot of bad feeling/rubbish & resentment. This then sets the tone & feeling towards other types of folk be they Traveller/Gypsy/Foreign. So before you start calling the locals look to your own doorstep first.

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Don't start blaming me :rolleyes::D

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Not blaming you at all Neil, the information about looking to your own doorstep was for young GypsyDec. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.

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ya didn't cause confusion Dave, ya are confused, neil was quoting me.:D;)

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Yep, that about sums it up Cashy, I'm easily confused hence the Donkey, but I'll get there eventually.

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I do like that donkey Dave, it looks a lot like Cashman :rolleyes::D:D

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Gypsy
" A member of a people that arrived in Europe in migrations from northern India around the 14th century, now also living in North America and Australia. Many Gypsy groups have preserved elements of their traditional culture, including an itinerant existence and the Romany language."
Can't see any mention of Ireland

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Been a bit quiet in here lately, do you think young Gypsy Dec has got a monk on & gone back to Ireland ? you are a cruel bunch :D

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hard to get a signal when you dont have a landline ! lol

especially in this weather

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Welcome back son, been out travellin??:D

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HaHa nah packed it in for a bit lol

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Alright Einstein what's all this Irishy stuff at the bottom mean? I'm sure you're waiting for someone to ask so it may as well be the Donkey!! :confused:

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its a Gammon Motto says the Lord God will Save us all

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but will he?...I have my doubts...

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you are not a Christian, i take it haha

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Ah good, education & religion in one comment I'm now a better educated Donkey, Thank you.

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When i lived in Ossy, Romany Gypsies would be camped down Foxhill bank in horse drawn carriages, the word locally was dont go nr them they steal children, ( they still get accused today) i often played skimmers with the young lads in the lake. These as metioned above where Romanys from Europe and not the economic migrants we sometimes see taking the pish from one end of the country to the other. He explains it all on the first line, "i am an Irish Traveller" its just a shame the joining of Europe is not going to affect everyones income in Ireland so it would be worth staying. As for English soldiers under orders, what a load of, Irish travellers have been coming here for years and still do, good luck to them all, providing they dont steal my children, rob me or generally take the pish i let them be. The first Tarmac gang has already arrived in Lisbon much to the Mayors delight, not.

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The response to this posting, unlike the original post, restores my faith in humanity and reminds me why I love Accrington and its people so much. I regret the fact that I strayed, you could say travelled, to the deep south. And yes, I regret my disloyalty when I went to Edgely and supported County. If he removes the chip from his shoulders I'm sure he could find some valuable friends here.

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my 4th boy manhattan his dad is a gypo

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