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Mancie 25-01-2010 22:36

'Sarah's Law' sex offender alert scheme
 
BBC News - 'Sarah's Law' sex offender alert scheme may be expanded

Does anyone know how this works?..do you just call the police station and ask if such and so are on the sex offenders register?
if so then the authorities should go the whole way make this information avaliable to everyone.
Seems to me that to allow a few people to have this information will cause unfounded rumours and could result in some innocent people being hounded or worse...this bloke was innocent
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...igilantes.html

For a start how can it be that a known sex offender who is left alone with children in everyday life is not already under supervision from social services?... and surely any relatives who leave thier kids with someone on the register will already know.
What is to stop someone saying they have called the police and say some bloke up the street they don't like is on the sex register?
I'm not in anyway supporting "human rights" for Pedo's and I don't know all the facts about this scheme but it looks a bit dodgy.

cashman 25-01-2010 22:48

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they wouldn't need these laws if they castrated the perverts.:rolleyes:

Mancie 25-01-2010 23:05

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 782357)
they wouldn't need these laws if they castrated the perverts.:rolleyes:

That is an option Cashy but some offenders are women..maybe the other one is to give them life in prison.. but then you get bods talking about the expense.. I'm asking if this scheme is of any use and why let a few have information of offenders?.. if this is the way forward then everyone should have the information so we all know where we stand.... then you would not get rumours and some innocent people being hounded... if some bod goes for a job the potential employer can run a criminal check on the bod.. so what difference does this law make?.. it's only local and not "Sarah's Law"... the beast that killed little Sarah lived 200 miles away and would not be on any Local register.

cashman 25-01-2010 23:14

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 782368)
That is an option Cashy but some offenders are women..maybe the other one is to give them life in prison.. but then you get bods talking about the expense.. I'm asking if this scheme is of any use and why let a few have information of offenders?.. if this is the way forward then everyone should have the information so we all know where we stand.... then you would not get rumours and some innocent people being hounded... if some bod goes for a job the potential employer can run a criminal check on the bod.. so what difference does this law make?.. it's only local and not "Sarah's Law"... the beast that killed little Sarah lived 200 miles away and would not be on any Local register.

Women can be sorted also, i think the scheme is likely to be abused whatever laws/sanctions they put in it, prison is too costly, plus when released how many would re-offend again, cos life is out the question, murderers are released in no time n their sentenced to life.

steeljack 25-01-2010 23:19

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this is the link to the California version and how it works ......
California Megan's Law - California Department of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

after opening the page scroll down to the continue button , when you get to the search page type in the "zip code" (post code) 94546 and it should bring up the locations of the sex offenders in my area.
Never heard of any vigilantism in my area , though I don't think offenders are allowed to reside in the area where the crimes were committed .

Mancie 25-01-2010 23:42

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 782376)
this is the link to the California version and how it works ......
California Megan's Law - California Department of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

after opening the page scroll down to the continue button , when you get to the search page type in the "zip code" (post code) 94546 and it should bring up the locations of the sex offenders in my area.
Never heard of any vigilantism in my area , though I don't think offenders are allowed to reside in the area where the crimes were committed .

I did not look at your link Steeljack but I get the impression that sex offenders register is avaliable to anyone... and I say that should be the same in this country but instead we let few people know.. that is not right and will cause confusion .. let anyone check the register and those that have commited this crime can be identified no matter where they are based.. and it would help in the very common cases where people are accused by rumours and are nailed on as peadophiles just because it's a last resort for some scumbags who want to destroy someones life.

accyman 25-01-2010 23:54

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castrating wouldnt be effective because some of them get off on merely touching children as one guy on a documentary who was on medical castration stated he still got his kicks one way or another

either lock them away until the day they die or execute them , any other option is a waste of time and puts children at risk

i was horrified to find a sex offender/pedophile had been moved in to a flat next door to me by somone who should have known better and actually broke his release conditions by not notifying the police of his new address and had dissapeared of their radar to which he was fined a measely £50

not only had i had this pervert in my house near my children unknowingly he was rehoused next to the girlguides/scouts and a junior school an dif it hadnt been for my ex partner recognising his name from her home town we would never have googled him and found out about what he had done

the police CANT monitor these people and i have first hand experience of this because teh police were non teh wiser until i rang up making enquiries and it turned out he hadnt been at his registered address for 4 weeks or so

god knows what he got up to in those 4 weeks he was unsupervised

accyman 25-01-2010 23:57

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forgot to add.

the police did sod all about relocating him away from teh school etc it was only after i accidently mentioned his crime due to an ever so slight slip of teh tongue to the local teenage lads as to what he had done that his life was made hell and he was rehoused for his own sfety i assume

Mancie 26-01-2010 00:09

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 782392)
forgot to add.

the police did sod all about relocating him away from teh school etc it was only after i accidently mentioned his crime due to an ever so slight slip of teh tongue to the local teenage lads as to what he had done that his life was made hell and he was rehoused for his own sfety i assume

Seems strange that when in prison these poeple are well known by that population.. but the public rely on hint's and speculation.. I'd say there needs to be an open register because I don't like the idea of a few having the information because it will end up as hearsay.. if we all had accsess to this information it would stop those who want to just cause rumours about innocents...simple

garinda 26-01-2010 00:31

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The most dangerous threat to children, never appear on any sex offender's register lists, because frighteningly they never get caught.

Mancie 26-01-2010 01:57

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 782395)
The most dangerous threat to children, never appear on any sex offender's register lists, because frighteningly they never get caught.

get caught or not the most dangerous are who?.. seems like all the data finds that pedo's are within the family, close relatives or freinds..
so how does this work? .can anyone phone the police and get information about anyones criminal record?.. I say it seems like a thrown together policey that does nothing

accyman 26-01-2010 05:52

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iv just been reading about the horrific case of a 17 year old who raped a girl last year while on bail for raping another little girl and it says he couldnt be named for legal reasons, I always thought it was 16 and you could be named has the law changed on the age limit for naming ?.Although jailed indfinatly this coudl end up only been a short while if the soft ass liberal lot get a sniff of this case and he sounds like a very dangerous individual who i think should not only have been named after the trial but also warnings issued when he is released to residents wher ehe ends up.Iv always said in cases such as sex crimes identities shoudl be wetheld from the public but once conviced everything possibel shoudl be done to alert the public to the danger they pose to others

mind you this is the country that punished jamie bulgers killers by giving them new identities and a life of luxury.Just think some poor sods daughters somewhere could be datin one of teh kids that beat a toddler to death on railtracks and they wont know a thing about it

jaysay 26-01-2010 09:08

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I can never understand this not naming for legal reasons, if people don't want to become infamous then keep on the straight and narrow, if you step over the line why shouldn't the rest of society know

Wynonie Harris 26-01-2010 12:51

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 782411)
iv just been reading about the horrific case of a 17 year old who raped a girl last year while on bail for raping another little girl and it says he couldnt be named for legal reasons

He will be named, but only after they've installed sufficient security to ensure that he's not attacked in prison. What an excellent use of taxpayers money! :rolleyes:

Incidentally, do you know that sex offenders in Peru are chucked in the slammer, along with ordinary criminals with no special protection measures. Still, we wouldn't want such a thing here...would we? ;)

jaysay 26-01-2010 15:04

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 782487)
He will be named, but only after they've installed sufficient security to ensure that he's not attacked in prison. What an excellent use of taxpayers money! :rolleyes:

Incidentally, do you know that sex offenders in Peru are chucked in the slammer, along with ordinary criminals with no special protection measures. Still, we wouldn't want such a thing here...would we? ;)

Why:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 26-01-2010 15:27

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 782515)
Why:rolleyes:

You tell me!...your lot (like this lot) support the policy of segregating and protecting sex offenders in prison. Personally, I'd chuck 'em with everyone else and let them take their chances, but I very much doubt that your mate, Cameron would agree! ;)

jaysay 27-01-2010 09:32

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 782525)
You tell me!...your lot (like this lot) support the policy of segregating and protecting sex offenders in prison. Personally, I'd chuck 'em with everyone else and let them take their chances, but I very much doubt that your mate, Cameron would agree! ;)

I keep trying to tell you lot on here I'm no mate of Cameron, I have my own outlook on life always have always will, but the Tories come closest to the way I think, but it doesn't mean I agree with everything they say or do, that's left to the Labour party members who have to toe the line or else they're out on their pompous backsides :p:D

Wynonie Harris 27-01-2010 10:31

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 782751)
I keep trying to tell you lot on here I'm no mate of Cameron, I have my own outlook on life always have always will, but the Tories come closest to the way I think, but it doesn't mean I agree with everything they say or do, that's left to the Labour party members who have to toe the line or else they're out on their pompous backsides :p:D

Seems to me that you disagree with matey Dave and his touchy, feely, enlightened policies, more than you agree with him, but that's your choice. As for Labour party, members, it's a constant theme of mine that they usually go very quiet when difficult subjects arise...

...unlike local Tories who can be found regularly on here in their droves boldly discussing the major issues of the day in a frank and forthright manner! :rolleyes:

jaysay 27-01-2010 10:44

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 782762)
Seems to me that you disagree with matey Dave and his touchy, feely, enlightened policies, more than you agree with him, but that's your choice. As for Labour party, members, it's a constant theme of mine that they usually go very quiet when difficult subjects arise...

...unlike local Tories who can be found regularly on here in their droves boldly discussing the major issues of the day in a frank and forthright manner! :rolleyes:

Well from what I can gather Wyn I'm the only standard barer now :eek:, and I can be a Maverick,;) but unlike the Labour lot who come on mob handed when they think they can score points, I stick my two penneth in most of the time right or wrong

Wynonie Harris 27-01-2010 10:48

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 782768)
Well from what I can gather Wyn I'm the only standard barer now

What?...AndrewB's given up? Never!

jaysay 27-01-2010 10:54

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 782771)
What?...AndrewB's given up? Never!

So I hear

Wynonie Harris 27-01-2010 13:57

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 782774)
So I hear

Why? Don't tell me Accyman's election poster upset him! :D

cashman 27-01-2010 14:10

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 782821)
Why? Don't tell me Accyman's election poster upset him! :D

Probably thrown his toys outa the pram? :rolleyes:

jaysay 27-01-2010 15:02

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 782825)
Probably thrown his toys out the pram? :rolleyes:

No cashy he's moved on to pastures blue;)

accyman 27-01-2010 17:08

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 782821)
Why? Don't tell me Accyman's election poster upset him! :D

nope this was made after the event although i do think my campign will mirror that of Lord Sutch god bless his soul :D

Mancie 28-01-2010 08:22

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 782768)
Well from what I can gather Wyn I'm the only standard barer now :eek:, and I can be a Maverick,;) but unlike the Labour lot who come on mob handed when they think they can score points, I stick my two penneth in most of the time right or wrong

maverick.:D.even when your top boys bottle out you will stick in.. you ain't fooling no one... the tories can always rely on their cap tippin servants.:rolleyes:

jaysay 28-01-2010 09:07

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 783084)
maverick.:D.even when your top boys bottle out you will stick in.. you ain't fooling no one... the tories can always rely on their cap tippin servants.:rolleyes:

Now I realise why your still posting on here Mancie, Billy Smarts Circus ain't taking on any clowns these days:D

Mancie 28-01-2010 09:13

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 783103)
Now I realise why your still posting on here Mancie, Billy Smarts Circus ain't taking on any clowns these days:D

Billy Smart may not be taking on clowns but Cameron got you signed up a long time ago :rolleyes:

jaysay 28-01-2010 09:38

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 783107)
Billy Smart may not be taking on clowns but dickhead Cameron got you signed up a long time ago :rolleyes:

Bow your head when you mention Dave:D he's the one who will have to put right what your ilk has got us into :rolleyes:


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