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garinda 01-03-2010 16:04

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 793278)
I'm not sure

Like you were unsure as to who founded the N.H.S., and thought it was a creation of the Liberals?

:rolleyes:

(Sorry, I have a long memory...especially when amused.)

:D

Gayle 01-03-2010 16:11

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793281)
Like you were unsure as to who founded the N.H.S., and thought it was a creation of the Liberals?

:rolleyes:

(Sorry, I have a long memory...especially when amused.)

:D

Lol, one tiny little mistake!!!! :D

Gayle 01-03-2010 16:13

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793280)
Trust me, it's a very valid argument.

Greg Pope bucked the trend in '92, when we still had an unpopular pre-New Labour Labour party, and a successfully re-elected Conservative government.


Clearly because he was a good local candidate - which as we have all said, many times on here, is a good thing.

garinda 01-03-2010 16:34

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 793285)
Clearly because he was a good local candidate - which as we have all said, many times on here, is a good thing.

Obviously the people of Hyndburn did think Greg Pope was a good candidate, because he won, unlike the Labour party nationally.

On the same proviso, a candidate who was twice rejected, could be seen, by CCO, as someone who isn't a good candidate, even though he apparently has the support of his local party.

cashman 01-03-2010 16:38

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793235)
No cashy because they ratified the selections:p

happen they trusted yer judgement then?:tongueout

claytonender 01-03-2010 20:27

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There are very strict rules about stating the party that you are standing for, on your nomination paper - it is only permitted to stand for an officially registered political party.

Information on officially registered political parties can be found on the electoral commissions website - Home - Electoral Commission

steeljack 01-03-2010 22:17

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couple of points pro and con, Nothing against local candidates wanting to represent their own area but can anyone name an ex-Prime Minister or leader of the Opposition who represented a constituancy where he was born or spent a greater part of his life ,I'm thinking most were 'parachuted' in from outside.
Its a fair bet that the local Labour folks of Hartlepool who selected Mandelson (the guy who 'confused' mushy peas with guacamole) for a northern industrial/working class seat had similar concerns about being landed with an unknown quantity like the local Conservatives do at the presnt time.
The job (MP) is for a national leadership position, and possibly a role in Govt. so I would think, would require better skills and knowledge than those used organizing bin bag collections and the siting of dog 'poo' receptacles (no reflection intended against any local candidates of either party) .
Maybe its a bit naive to think that all MPs are equal , but those on the front benchs are a bit more equal than those sitting on the backbenchs
;)

cashman 01-03-2010 22:36

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good question that steely, can't think of any?:confused: Wilson i know was a Huddersfield lad, his first stop was Ormskirk M.P. he then went on to represent Huyton in liverpool. at least he stopped up north.:D

claytonender 01-03-2010 23:41

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Gordon Brown is MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.

Kirkcaldy is the town where he grew up and he went to school at Kirkcaldy West Primary School and then to Kirkcaldy High School.

So you can't get any more local than that.

garinda 01-03-2010 23:57

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 793433)
Nothing against local candidates wanting to represent their own area but can anyone name an ex-Prime Minister or leader of the Opposition who represented a constituancy where he was born or spent a greater part of his life ,I'm thinking most were 'parachuted' in from outside.

I made a similar observation, and can't think of any, off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 780977)
I know what you mean, but if all local Conservative associations thought so parochially, John Major, Margaret Thatcher, or Winston Churchill would never had a seat, having no ties to the constituencies they represented in Huntingdon, Finchley, and Oldham/Northwest Manchester/Dundee/Epping/Woodford, respectively.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ans-51381.html

steeljack 02-03-2010 01:34

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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 793448)
Gordon Brown is MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.

Kirkcaldy is the town where he grew up and he went to school at Kirkcaldy West Primary School and then to Kirkcaldy High School.

So you can't get any more local than that.

maybe an oversight, but you forgot to mention that he only became a Homey (home town boy) because of parlimentary boundary changes in 2005, prior to 2005 ;)

garinda 02-03-2010 07:23

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 793473)
maybe an oversight, but you forgot to mention that he only became a Homey (home town boy) because of parlimentary boundary changes in 2005, prior to 2005 ;)

...and he was born at the otherside of the country in Giffnock, outside of Glasgow.

jaysay 02-03-2010 09:07

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793272)
When Ken Hargreaves lost to Greg Pope in 1992 he had 21,082 votes/ 36% of the vote.

When Cllr. Britcliffe first lost in 1997, he polled 15,383, and the percentage of the votes cast fell to 23%.

Perhaps the clues were already there.

Not really Rindi, if you care to remember the Tory vote collapsed in 1997, so not real comparison

garinda 02-03-2010 09:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793525)
Not really Rindi, if you care to remember the Tory vote collapsed in 1997, so not real comparison

But as can be seen from previous elections Hyndburn doesn't necessarily follow national trends.

1979 country went blue, Hyndburn stayed red.

1992 Greg Pope won, country remained Tory.

The candidate does seem important to the residents of Hyndburn.

garinda 02-03-2010 09:33

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793529)
But as can be seen from previous elections Hyndburn doesn't necessarily follow national trends.

1979 country went blue, Hyndburn stayed red.

1992 Greg Pope won, country remained Tory.

The candidate does seem important to the residents of Hyndburn.

...and another accurate observation is that the seat has been held by a local candidate for the past twenty seven years, irrespective of which party they represented.


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