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so can i interpret that as you wanting me to repeat that hes a tart?:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Had to think about this one ... thought it was some sort of rhyming slang like "pork pies" ... but now I'm thinking "Runaway":confused:

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Charles Westover would be proud of ya Eric..... think that one out.:D

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Drummer yes, Culture Club, no.

John Moss

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Born and bred in Wakefield my friend - and skied more on the plastic slopes of Sheffield when I was younger than the snow in the Alps!

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Unless of course one is really dense .... :D

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Problem is, don't have to think anymore ... Google does it all for you; takes the fun out of it:(

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Winone,

Is that the old Dr Feelgood face on the bottom of your posts?

If so, we share an appreciation of the brilliance of Brilleaux, Mayo, Big Figure Martin and Sparko.

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The very same one, John. Go see Julian Temple's new documentary about them, "Oil City Confidential". Supposed to be brilliant.

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Thanks, will look that out.

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Nearly won over a voter there....except Wynonie doesn't live in Hyndburn.

:D

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Ssssshhhh! I wasn't going to tell him that...yet! ;)

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Nice one!

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There you are, John, as special Accyweb welcome for you, here's the mighty Dr Feelgood featuring Gypie Mayo:



Sorry for thread wander, folks!

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...oh dear, he's gone! Was the selection procedure that quick? ;)

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Perhaps he was kicked out for thread wandering, chatting about music, and not the Conservative candidate selection list, without first posting an introduction thread.

Oh well Karen might do better.

Next!

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I hope he comes back.

I wanted to ask him if he keeps in touch with old Boy George, and when he put the 'h' back in John.

YouTube - Boy George y Jon Moss

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That's made my morning!

I saw them with Mayo when still at school, then with Johnny Crippen just after. I got some great pictures from the second gig, but will have to have a root around my Dad's loft to see if I can find them. There's one with Brilleaux in a white jacket glaring in the lights - which got a commendation from the NME photography awards that year - and another of the Big Figure bathed in blue light which needed to be "pushed" by the studio to develop at all, but looks great.

If I find them, I'll post them for you.

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Sounds great, John - I always thought Johnny "Guitar" was the most underrated of the Feelgood's axemen. His stuff with the Count Bishops was real rockin' rhythm 'n' blues.

Look forward to the pics, but I feel we may be better carrying on future Dr Feelgood-related ramblings in the music section, as we're in severe danger of receiving a slap on the wrists for thread wandering! ;)

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At least someone's read the rules regarding not going off topic.

:D

YouTube - Culture Club - Mistake No. 3

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What ever floats your boat mate:D:D:D:p

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Have now posted an introductory, sorry for not observing house rules!

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Well, that's it then, good luck in the selection, all is well with the world formalities sorted, no kicking against the traces, with 'I'm here to do you good', type of bravado, just, good old conformity, exactly what we need, your attitude suits us, we don't really give a monkeys either.

:D

Ever get the feeling, 'I can't do right for doing wrong'.

If the answer is yes, then you're the man for us, stay there we'll tell you what to do next.

If the answer is no, then you're the man for us, stay there we'll tell you what to do next.

;)

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'John Moss who is a former Boris Johnson campaign team member.'
Conservatives shortlist for Hyndburn revealed (From Lancashire Telegraph)

So it's his fault the old Etonian's bumbling around London, and sadly not allowed to appear on Have I Got News For You anymore.

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Its a pity they didn't tell the readers that its an imposed short list from central office and by no way the choice of the HCA.:(

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Ah yes, imposed, that sum's up the idea of freedom and the right to vote any way you wish as an individual, why can't the Tory bosses trust the Tory masses to make the right choice?

Will any of you be brave enough to stand against such Dictatorship? Or will you waspishly follow the line because if you cancel your membership no refunds!

:confused:

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in fairness i reckon if jaysay says he will quit,he will,to my mind, one of the few torys who has principle.

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I don't think fairness comes into it, Jaysay is comfortable being a Tory and does take it seriously, does his and other local Tories allegiance not stand for anything?

He has supported them for many a year why should he and the rest not be allowed to choose their own Candidate? Why should they have a 'fly by night' forced upon them by their ill-informed Central Office?
:confused:

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way i see it, obviously they assumed it did, n they were wrong.

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I paid my membership by DD Less its been cancelled, I am no longer a party member end off. A for others I can't speak but I do know that not much help will be forth coming from local grass roots Tories either work wise or financially

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Sorry to hear it J' you must really feel let down to go that far.
:(

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Ya Less you got it in one and at this stage in my life and personal problems I'm having I won't be back either:(

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Sorry to hear this ... never been a tory supporter myself, but I don't believe in "parachute" candidates for any reason, and for any party ....

What I find a little surprising is that the tory party will take the risk of upsetting their hard core support when the polls suggest that they are not all that far ahead of Labour:confused:

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Heard last night the the Constituency Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer have resigned their posts, that should be fun:rolleyes:

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Will they just bring in some more outsiders?

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Scab Labour eh?

That'll teach 'em for not getting themselves Unionised and becoming a closed shop back in the 80's.
:D

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Don't know don't care Neil, let he ******* get on with it:(

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I'll have you know Less its the Conservative and Unionist Party, but they've cut back on the union bit:D

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Votes count for nothing now.
Democracy is dead in the water.
Whichever form of government you prefer, it all boils down to enslavement and control of the masses for the benefit of a few.

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If I didn't know you better I'd think you were a cynic Margaret :rolleyes:

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So ... there are big problems in the tory camp ... and what is the status of Hyndburn? Is it a safe seat; or, is it considered a "swing riding"; to put it in other words: will it be a walkover for one party or a race too close to call?

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It's been Labour since 1992.
Since the war it was held by the Tories 1983-92.
At the 2005 General Election Labour had a majority of 5,587, though the Tories see it as a winnable seat. Something they need to do if they are to win an overall majority at Westmisnter.
It should be exciting...give how much general apathy there is to any politicans, and how most local Conservatives are livid, after not being able to chose their own candidate.

Tune in election night for the latest results.

:D

:D

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Thanx ... so, if the conservatives are real po'd, and they seem to be, it could go Labour ... interesting. Are the tories doing the parachute thing in other ridings, I wonder? k tdftkk 900000000000yfddl; The last bit comes from my cat, Sadie; no doubt it is replete with the wisdom that comes from having lived 21 years as a cat.;):D

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Thought you had some particularly good Afghan Black there for a moment, Eric. ;)

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They're all up to tricks.

Labour have imposed many women-only candidate lists, except in seats where the leader of the House's husband decided to stand.

:rolleyes:

In theory Hyndburn hasn't been this vunerable to change for years, but with the Tories having a mainly non-local candidate list, their chances have been greatly reduced. Especially as Jaysay says, many local party activists are now unwilling to give any time and help to whoever they eventually decide on.

I'm just hoping the local Hell and damnation homophobic ex-Vicar doesn't retain his deposit, and that foolish people vote for the vile man, as a protest vote.

Perhaps your cat should stand.

It'd be in with a shot of winning.

:D

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Would that be Harriet the hypocrite, then? Brilliant! Do as I say not as I do... :rolleyes:

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Yes, it's nice to see there's still an old boys network at Westminster, to allow a lucky few a leg up.

Just as long as the old boy's your old man.


Harriet Harman's husband Jack Dromey on shortlist for safe seat | Politics | guardian.co.uk

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I wonder if there are any direct descendents of Guy Fawkes standing in the forthcoming General Election?

They'd be very popular with the public.

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Funny you should mention that ... I had just fired up my Yoda bong ... and it is real good, genuine Afghan Black .... the only thing to watch at the Olympics tonight is curling ... nice, slow, laid back .... just like I intend to be:D

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Very nice, although I tend to stick to Joey Holt's best bitter these days. ;)

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I also have a fridge full of Alexander Keith's India Pale, the pride of Nova Scotia:D Come to think of it .... and to get back on topic ... well, almost ... maybe if a bunch of folks sat 'round a bong, slugging back a few brewskies, they could do a fair job of selecting candidates ... at least they couldn't do a worse job than those who chose the idiots that sit in Westminster and Ottawa (pronounced Oddawa).:rolleyes: Even throwing darts, blindfolded, at a random list of names would be better.

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Black Sheep to strong these days Wyn:D

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Ya thts public school girl number one Wyn:rolleyes:

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Hyndburn was always going to be a hard fight for the Tories, it was made much harder since the addition f the two Haslingden wards, which are not exactly top heavy with Tory voters, but with the chance of a candidate from outside the borough it will b nigh impossible, something that seems to have been lost on the Tory Grandee, they think they can come to places like Hyndburn and teach Grannie how to suck eggs, I was probable fighting elections here when the NW area agent wasn't even a twinkle in her Daddies eye, these people have never heard of horses for courses:(

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Sadly, they don't sell in the local pubs round here, mate. Always keep an eye out for it, though, on my travels! :)

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If as you say many party members/activists are angry at the imposed candidate list, who's on the selection committee who'll decide on the successful candidate?

Don't want names, but there's obviously some local members who will have to decide, just wondered why they are going along with the imposed list.

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I've called for a boycott of the meeting on March 13th, If I was able to attend, which sadly I'm not, I would certainly not be there, but I've said before I have principals Rindi, and could give this selection process any creedence what-so-ever

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If you could arrange for the selection of the Tory candidate to be delayed until after May, that would be useful.

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Nice to see a labour politician making a useful contribution on here for a change:rolleyes:;)

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If they get really stuck, and want an impartial interviewer, give me a shout, and I'll pop along and do it.

Be funny if there's a 100% boycott, and the prospective six are locked outside on the steps.

:D

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somehow i think very few will boycott, if todays "You Gov" poll is owt to go off- Lead down to 2%, doubt if the rats will desert the sinking ship.:D

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Turn my back for a day and you start discussing real ale, something I feel very, very strongly about!

You think I should put that in my election literature, John?

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You may be better off discussing real ale in Rishton rather than politics Ken:D

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Thank the maker for pumps at the Rishton Arms, the Working Men's Club and (dare I say it) the Con Club. We're quite well served in Rishton but still some way off the level of variety at The Royal in Great Harwood.

Try that one if you're into the good stuff, but take my advice and get a taxi. One pint will not be enough....

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Con Club:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: how do you know:D

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Rumour and hearsay, nothing more.

You ain't seen me, right?

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A nods as good as a wink to a blind donkey Ken:D

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Just wondered if PB had been on that list, would you have still cancelled your membership Jaysay ?

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If PB had have been on the list it would have been one selected by our members not CCO kate, that is what the argument is about

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Not sure about all the ins and outs of this ... they obviously didn't think he was suitable then ? ... :D

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It is a difficult decision.

Just because a horse loses two races on the trot, should you risk another defeat, or is it perhaps time to think about sending it to the Knacker's yard?

At least glue has it's uses.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_35kDzNt-gT...dead+horse.gif

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You haven't really answered my question though Jaysay.

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He's gone off line, so I'll answer for him, because I asked him a similar question.

His preferred candidate, and it seems that of most local party members, was Cllr. Britciffe. If they weren't allowed to decide on their own candidate list, Jaysay said he would resign his membership of the Conservative party, if a list was imposed from CCO.

True to his word, that's what he did, when local party members wishes were ignored.

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As I've said before, I think this seat is up for grabs this year. It's possibly the most winnable for the Tories that it's been for a long time.

With a new candidate standing for Labour - albeit someone who many people know - there would have been a good opportunity for the Tories to take it. But, they would have only managed that with the support of the Tory campaigners and diehards who would have worked endlessly for the right candidate.

If a candidate is imposed then it's quite possible that they won't work so hard, which in turn means that they won't take it. At least if they'd got the candidate they wanted then they would have the commitment from the supporters to campaign as hard as is possible.

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The pattern for most elections tend to turn out local winners over candidates from outside the area. It seems reasonable to expect that to have a fighting chance of winning the Conservative candidate will have to be from Hyndburn.

I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect that Graham's first-hand experience of what makes the borough tick will weigh heavily in his favour at the ballot boxes (and rightly so, in my opinion).

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We are, of course, all assuming that it will be one of the outsiders who gets the candidancy. Surely we're overlooking the fact that on the 13th it could well be Janet Storey who gets the members vote - if that's the case then it will be a local candidate and so presumably the local party will get behind her.

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So do I and don't forget, the national picture is changing as we speak with the Tory lead dropping away. OK, opinion polls can be notoriously deceptive and a lot can happen between now and polling day, but I'd put money on Graham.

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I actually don't give a toss what THEY say it should have had nothing to do with them in the first place

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If there's so much anger locally, because of the imposed candidate list, has it not been suggested that your preferred candidate stands as an independent Conservative candidate, or would that mean he'd lose his seat as a councillor/county councillor?

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agree with what yer saying, but having selected him twice before n he did not win, perhaps they thought you lot were clueless?:D

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Don't be so negative.

Three's a lucky number for some people.

:D

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that would be counter productive, but they wouldn't lose their seat, just go independent

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No cashy because they ratified the selections:p

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But the times that PB lost in the past where when there was a strong Labour Government with strong support - the odds are that ANY Tory candidate would have lost. The situation is different now and the chances of Tories picking up seats like Hyndburn has increased.

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i dont think he'd lose his seat on the council or county council but he would have to resign from the conservative party ... to stand as an independent .. but doing so means he wouldnt be leader of the council any more ... as it is the conservatives in control .. also he'd have to do all his leafleting and canvassing etc without backing from the conservatives ..he'd have to pay for everything himself ...

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If you stood as an independent, against the candidate chosen for you, would you not have to leave the Conservative party?

It's a similar scenario to when Livingstone stood against the offical Labour candidate Dobson, in the first Mayor of London election, and was forced to leave the party.

Still if you're not keen it probably won't be happening, which is a pity for us non-partisan observers to the hurly-burly of political life.

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You're right.

It's like changing party mid-term, which has happened locally and nationally.

Should be made illegal, and a by-election should be forced, at the cost of the dithering turn-coat.

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Just commenting on the HBC and LCC aspect Rindi, if PB was to stand at the general (which he won't) he would have to be independent and not able to even use independent Conservative

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I point lost on the likes of Rindi:rolleyes:

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Which must make it even more frustrating for the local party, that they can't have their candidate of choice.

If I was a member of the local party I'd be tempted to urge the candidate to stand as an independent Conservatives, and to cock a snoop to the grandees down at CCO.

It'd make them sit up and notice more than tearing up party membership cards.

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The problem with that is that he would have to give up his Leadership of the Conservative Party in Hyndburn, plus Leadership of the Council, plus the support of the Conservative party at both HBC and LCC level. Plus, he's standing for local election this year, so would not be able to stand as a Conservative for HBC but as an Independent for MP. Whilst I think it would make it an interesting battle, I really don't think any sane politician would give up all those things just to make a point.

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When Ken Hargeaves lost to Greg Pope in 1992 he had 21,082 votes/ 36% of the vote.

When Cllr. Britcliffe first lost in 1997, he polled 15,383, and the percentage of the votes cast fell to 23%.

Perhaps the clues were already there.

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But according to good sources he has the unswerving loyalty of the local Conservative party, who are aghast and angry at having their wishes ignored, and having an imposed candidate list thrust upon them.

Personally I'd be urging a grassroot rebellion, and making sure that CCO understood that democracy should extend right down to the outer provinces...but perhaps I have more strength in my convictions, when it comes to knowing the principles of what's right and wrong.

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I'm not sure that's a valid argument Garinda. In 1992, Greg beat Ken but he was just gaining the seat back and won it by over 5,000 votes. In 1997, it was the year of the landslide Labour victory up and down the country so naturally Conservatives lost ground in Hyndburn as well. Again, I think that would have happened whoever the Tories had put up.

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Trust me, it's a very valid argument.

Greg Pope bucked the trend in '92, when we still had an unpopular pre-New Labour Labour party, and a successfully re-elected Conservative government.

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Like you were unsure as to who founded the N.H.S., and thought it was a creation of the Liberals?

:rolleyes:

(Sorry, I have a long memory...especially when amused.)

:D

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Lol, one tiny little mistake!!!! :D

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Clearly because he was a good local candidate - which as we have all said, many times on here, is a good thing.

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Obviously the people of Hyndburn did think Greg Pope was a good candidate, because he won, unlike the Labour party nationally.

On the same proviso, a candidate who was twice rejected, could be seen, by CCO, as someone who isn't a good candidate, even though he apparently has the support of his local party.

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happen they trusted yer judgement then?:tongueout