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They can't read, can't write and think the world owes them a living: Tesco director's damning verdict on school-leavers | Mail Online
A Tesco Director has laid into school leavers and their standard of education is she right or wrong:rolleyes:

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Like any 'generalisation statement', he speaks from his personal experience only.
I imagine that the really intelligent kids wouldn't want a job at Tesco, so he hasn't met them


PS there I go again - making excuses for bigotry:rolleyes:

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i agree partly with his sentiments ,a high percentage of kids these days are spoilt and dont have the work ethic and need a kick up the jacksy ,but then again there is a high percentage of adults with same attitude..

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No there you go again not reading the link He happens to be a She:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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The basics aren't taught as well today, as they were for our ancestors. Many of whom left school at twelve, or younger, to work in the mills, with beautiful writing skills, and a good understanding of English grammar.

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You only need to look at some of the posts on here to know she's right.

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I did fast read it earlier, before this thread happened.
I stopped reading it before the end - bigoted generalisations 'disturb my vibes':D

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They just don't learn the basic numeracy skills these days because they are allowed to use calculators. We were given a brain to do things like adding, subtracting, multiplying etc but if you aren't taught the basics you can't use them. It used to amaze when doing bar work that the younger generation couldn't work out how much change to give without the till helping out. It is something I notice often when shopping as well.

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Now if I was a young person reading this thread and battling the inadequacies of our present (underpaid) teachers, I would be tempted to throw in the towel and become a hoodie:D in order to comply with the opinion that society has of youth today.

Many of them are being educated well using their own initiative, despite poor teachers, which shows that this Tesco person is a pessimist.

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SHE says there is a lack of discipline at school and at home.

Then in here there is an assumption that only the brightest should be able to do basic arithmetic and English, things that are and should be the base of an education.

I have poor grammar and spelling but I know that and can take steps to rectify that, that I don’t is laziness.

Underpaid teachers? When a head teacher can earn more than a P M?

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Head teachers don't teach - the pay scale starts, and stays lower, than many other professions.
You get what you pay for - the days when there was such a thing as a 'vocation' are well gone.

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I went to school in Bamber Bridge in the days when teachers weren't hampered by rigid lesson plans from the National Curriculum. We were taught many things which I suspect are now out of the window but the teachers knew EVERYTHING and I got a really well-rounded education.

I can still remember, clear as day, our fourth form teacher bringing in a vinyl copy of The War of the Worlds which we had to listen to and evaluate. It gave me the view that there are more interesting ways of learning than simply by looking at textbooks and blackboards.

I fear that any 'wildcard' methods of trying to teach children things these days would result in a formal reprimand.

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Spot on Ken, before the onset of Secondary Schools, when you went into class the same teacher taught everything from maths to history and in the main made lessons interesting, if a kid is interested they are more likely to learn

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I agree, and as time has gone by it has become more and more apparent that there are two distinct type of person when it comes to learning - the academics and the practicals. Each will find different subjects more interesting than others and gain knowledge in the areas that appeal to them.

I fall firmly into the academic category whereas my brother never really excelled at Maths or English and instead made a successful career as a joiner because he is far more adept at practical tasks than I will ever be.

My sister is lodged halfway between and always seemed to regard school as something that got in the way of doing what she really enjoyed. On leaving school she has worked in jobs that she liked doing and has ended up as a senior pharmacist, despite never showing any real interest at school. On the flip-side of my sister's coin are those who are simply not interested in doing any work whatsoever.

However much pay might be brought into it, I don't envy teachers one bit. Curriculum targets and rules lump all children together as being of equal learning capacity and low grades are pushed back onto the teachers. Johnny is disruptive and totally disinterested in learning, Ben is quiet and enjoys reading. With good teaching of a rigidly defined curriculum they can both leave school at the same academic level. Yeah right.

People are different - The End.

After 50 years of the comprehensive education system I would have thought they might have worked this out by now.

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This Tesco person condemns them all as illiterate selfish yobs
That isn't right - give credit to some kids for rising above the poor education they have been 'dished up'

What bright kid is going to seek a career at Tesco:rolleyes:

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below is a picture of my niece who worked for tescos while getting her Media Production HND, Media and Performance Degree at salford university ..

so if that dont disprove the theory .. what does ..

She worked for them for 4 years .. and they asked her back to help out over the christmas period ..

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So she worked there as a stop gap job until her preferred job.
One of my grandsons is doing bar work until he returns to UNI to get his PHD.

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It is simple really, some highly educated might be glad of a job at Tesco the way things are with jobs now. I find it quite a snobbish statement to suggest that working at Tesco is beneath them.

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I think it snobbish and bigoted to call all young persons applying for work at Tesco to be illiterate yobs (which is what that Tesco director did - and what that thread is about)

Forgive me for jumping in to defend young people:rolleyes:

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Now i always thought it was a part time job .. not a stop gap job .. as she was a student ..

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"Growing Numbers" is what she said not all kids

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A quick look found scales starting at £21k and going to about £55k depending on additional skills

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BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Many graduates 'lack soft skills'
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"In terms of starting salaries, the best-paying employers are in investment banking - with graduates entering on about £36,000. Law firms and business consultancies are next highest. At the lower end of the pay scale, the lowest graduate starting salaries are in transport and retail jobs, which typically pay £20,000.

There are considerable regional differences - with the typical London graduate starting salary being £27,500 - while in East Anglia pay rates are going downwards, with a typical starting salary of £19,000. "

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After 50 years of the comprehensive education system I would have thought they might have worked this out by now.
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I think you will find you have got your figures wrong,again.:rolleyes:

Perhaps after listening to the war of the worlds you were the 1.000,000.000 to one chance.:D

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I'm not from Mars, I can assure you of that (no pressure-balanced physiognomy for a start) but whatever timeframe you would like to place on the comprehensive system 'experiment' being validated as an alternative to grammar schools, I know for a fact that I am not alone in being well-served by an education that was varied and flexible.

What is wrong with a system that tries to engage everyone on some level rather than shoehorning children into some pre-ordained curriculum in a desperate attempt to get statistics 'right' in Westminster?

Another thing worth noting is that I learned far more about life in the 7 years working at a cash-and-carry during (and beyond) my further education than I ever did sat at a desk in class. Most people's first job is a bit on the lousy side but it doesn't half teach you the value of money and makes you appreciate what hard work is.

Most store assistants that I have spoken to in any supermarket have been polite and helpful but since they are the ones doing the actual work on the shop floor it seems that the director creaming off £???k per year is the one who could learn a thing about biting the hand that feeds you.

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On your first point I agree entirely,I went to Skerton Secondary Modern in Lancaster although I could have gone to Lancaster Royal Grammar School.The reason was one of logistics(love that word)The grammar school was the other side of town and I lived on Pinfold Lane Skerton opposite the side entrance to the school.

All years had A B C and D streams.I never strayed from the A despite rarely doing homework and never revising for examinations.I passed 7 GCE's before leaving aged 15 to become a bricklayer.(another story)

Second point, you should have paid more attention.

Third point,No one said the employees were unhelpful,The article was aimed at the demise of the education system.A point that you seem to agree with in one sentence but not in another.

One a final note,Stop concerning yourself with what one of the directors of Britain's largest private sector employers gets paid.

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The demise of education systems is a common complaint over here too .... among all the many reasons indiscipline, watering down of content etc., I believe that one major problem that receives too little attention is that students are no longer allowed to fail; they are pushed through because failure is viewed as something that will distress the little dears .... all students entering school (esp. secondary school) should be given t-shirts emblazoned with: "Failure Is Always an Option". We are what we are as a species because we experiment, courting failure as we go along. We learn, I believe, more from our failures than our successes; in fact, most of our successes (in the kitchen for example; there is always viagara for failures in the bedroom) are born of failure.

To get a good view of how schools are failing the students, try teaching entry level classes at university.

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i thought it was pretty much common knowledge that exams have been made easier to increase pass rates so we appear to be on par with the rest of europe.Rather than increase quality of teaching ,reduce classroom sizes and introduce discipline into schools its much easier and cheaper to fudge pass rates

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YouTube - Original Asda prank call, Tesco is Cheaper featured in the sun newspaper

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lol yeah i remeber that one i cant believe she didnt click on :)

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The system of teaching in 'sets' is just one of the aspects of modern education that I feel leads directly to Ms Neville-Rolfe's complaints. I'm only going off my own experiences but the whole set-up of teaching pupils in different ways, while well-meaning, I found entirely backward. Perhaps it's a different case at other schools (also consider that it's been five years since I left) but there was very little movement between sets throughout my time there.
I was in the 'top set' (for want of a better term) throughout high school, as were most of the class I started with in year seven. One of my good friends in my registration form was in the 'bottom set' (again, for want of a better turn of phrase) from day one and stayed there throughout his secondary education, as did most in his set. We in the top set were encouraged and expected to go on to get A-levels and attend university while those in the bottom set were prepared to take part on vocational courses. Those teaching the bottom set were expecting bad behaviour from the students and this in turn encouraged bad behaviour. Again, vice versa with the top set.
I hate to sound like a sociology text book but this set up leads to self fulfilling prophecies in many cases. Of course there are foundations to be laid at home for a child's approach and attitude towards education but seeing as 11-16 year olds spend most of their time at school, big changes should be made to better craft the future for young people.

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re. shakermaker's above comments about kids being placed into 'top set' and 'bottom set' classes , I was one of those who failed the 11 plus and thus ended up at a Secondary Modern (Top Council in Gt. Harwood, later after amalgamation the Norden at Rishton) can only speak from experiance but in those days 'sets' were designated as streams A,B,C and D , A being the brightest kids and D being 'the not so bright' there was also an X class , which I suppose in these days would hold the "educationally retarded" and had kids in age ranging from 11 thru 15 in one class (seem to remember they had responsibility for the schools flower beds)
But, the way things operated at the Top Council/Norden was similar to the modern day football league , every year a number of lower performing pupils in one stream were relegated to a lower stream , and the better performing pupils of a lower stream moved up to a better ranking (and better teachers) this happened in every year . I don't belive anyone suffered PTS from being relegated .
I have to agree with Shakermakers arguement that kids are channelled into their futures at this early age .... in my case , kids in the A and B streams were sent for skilled apprenticeships whilst the kids in the lower grades were encouraged to find factory work, no idea what if any career advice was given to the kids in the X class .

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Maybe we should look beyond the schools and consider the value society in general places on education and associated intellectual pursuits.

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I've worked in a few industries that employed school leavers on the basis that the employer could pay them lower wages... most of those youngsters at least had the wits to go out and get a job to earn a living and worked hard... you would get some older new starters in there first job that maybe had a degree in history or other and they would be placed in management.. most of them did not have clue and were useless.

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Just been listening to the Jeremy Vine show on radio 2.One of the callers to the show was a man who marks GCSE papers.
"Standards have declined dramatically. At one stage I thought I was marking an 11 plus paper":confused:

So there you have it.Just as I thought.:theband:

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as a general rule of thumb i think that is correct, also general i reckon the numpties come from parents of the same ilk.:rolleyes:

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You've been watching shameless too cashy:D

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what is that?:confused:

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Prog on Channel 4 cashy

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Like me Cashy you don't need to watch it,We lived it.:D:D

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You're not missing much cashy......it's a load of rubbish