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yerself 20-04-2010 10:39

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I wonder if any of our PPCs would like to comment on this case and how their party would ensure people like this are deported on their release from prison?

Fury as jailed East Lancashire sex attacker wins deportation fight (From Lancashire Telegraph)

garinda 20-04-2010 10:46

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“We already passed legislation that if foreign nationals commit offences of this seriousness they will be deported and we want to see the courts enforcing that.” - Jack Straw.

So why the hell isn't there secured transport waiting at the prison gates, to take him straight to the airport?

garinda 20-04-2010 10:53

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'A Pakistani paedophile who abducted and sexually abused two young girls cannot be deported back to his native country because it would breach his human rights, it emerged today.'

'But there was fury today when it was revealed that he had won an appeal against his deportation on the grounds that he has a wife and child here, meaning it would breach his right to enjoy respect for his family life.'
Paedophile Zulfar Hussain can't be deported because of HIS human rights | Mail Online

It is sickening.

A foreign national's 'human rights' are deemed more important than those of the children he abused, or could abuse in the future.

If his wife had any sense she'd be waving him off at the airport, with a two fingered salute.

Tealeaf 20-04-2010 11:00

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[quote=garinda;808178
So why the hell isn't there secured transport waiting at the prison gates, to take him straight to the airport?[/quote]

Errrr....because there's nowt flying?

garinda 20-04-2010 11:03

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 808183)
Errrr....because there's nowt flying?

Er, it was theoretical, as his release from prison is 'imminent'.

Send him in a crate on a ship for all I care.

Wynonie Harris 20-04-2010 12:54

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Hark! What is that pitter-patter sound I hear? Why, 'tis the sound of Accyweb politicos carefully tip-toeing around to avoid this thread! ;)

cashman 20-04-2010 13:31

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 808216)
Hark! What is that pitter-patter sound I hear? Why, 'tis the sound of Accyweb politicos carefully tip-toeing around to avoid this thread! ;)

Thats another reason i packed in wi em all, if ya can't speak yer mind without being deemed racist or non P.C. then i see no point in any of it.:rolleyes::(

BERNADETTE 20-04-2010 13:40

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 808216)
Hark! What is that pitter-patter sound I hear? Why, 'tis the sound of Accyweb politicos carefully tip-toeing around to avoid this thread! ;)

Nothing new there then, the only time they seem to get involved is when they can get involved in mud slinging. And that goes for both sides:(

accyman 20-04-2010 13:50

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so this guys human right is to remain with his child whom he may at any given notice decite to rape.We put a dog down if it attacks a child why not a monster ?

cashman 20-04-2010 13:53

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 808224)
so this guys human right is to remain with his child whom he may at any given notice decite to rape.We put a dog down if it attacks a child why not a monster ?

cos humans have rights especially if yer on the wrong side of the law.:mad:

LYNX1 20-04-2010 13:55

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You got it wrong..........he doesn't want to rape his own, he wants tro rape ours :mad:

jaysay 20-04-2010 14:48

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 808222)
Nothing new there then, the only time they seem to get involved is when they can get involved in mud slinging. And that goes for both sides:(

I'm sorry Bernie but I've never just got involved in mud slinging, I use this site every day, unlike messrs Jones, Dawson and Claytonender, who only get involved went they think the can score cheap political points, they may come on here, Jones does nearly every day, but never get involved in anything which is counterproductive to their political ethos

cashman 20-04-2010 14:51

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that maybe true, but at least they got the backbone to come on here, unlike he who shall be nameless, but was rejected.:D

Wynonie Harris 20-04-2010 15:11

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 808264)
I'm sorry Bernie but I've never just got involved in mud slinging, I use this site every day, unlike messrs Jones, Dawson and Claytonender, who only get involved went they think the can score cheap political points, they may come on here, Jones does nearly every day, but never get involved in anything which is counterproductive to their political ethos

You don't count, you've bailed out. ;)

jaysay 20-04-2010 15:12

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 808269)
that maybe true, but at least they got the backbone to come on here, unlike he who shall be nameless, but was rejected.:D

As I'v always said anybody who wants to see that gentleman can go and site face to face in his office, not hide behind a screen name on here:p

jaysay 20-04-2010 15:13

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 808288)
You don't count, you've bailed out. ;)

Ya but not from life Wyn, well not yet anyway:D

cashman 20-04-2010 15:16

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 808289)
As I'v always said anybody who wants to see that gentleman can go and site face to face in his office, not hide behind a screen name on here:p

got to disagree, may cause nightmares! also gentleman does not sit right in yer sentence. seem to remember someone once calling Hitler one of them.:D

Less 20-04-2010 15:18

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[quote=garinda;808178
So why the hell isn't there secured transport waiting at the prison gates, to take him straight to the airport?[/quote]

Errrr....because there's nowt flying?

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 808186)
Er, it was theoretical, as his release from prison is 'imminent'.

Send him in a crate on a ship for all I care.

To Errr is human, (Congrats to both of you, you passed the test),

To do Er', no matter what culture you are from is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

We have got passed the Human rights when people like that are defended and their consequences ruin the lives of innocents.

(and I'm sure that, given the chance, to reply, every right minded Asian would agree with the above).

Come on Mani, bring your thoughts to the debate, (Oh, and if you could bring some of your mates as well, perhaps we could have a well rounded conversation about whites and blacks? (Oh no, sorry your not black are you, how embarrassing, please excuse my natural, (though perfectly understandable white supremacy!)))

(Wow, only just got away with that by the skin of my teeth! Still, he won't understand my prejudice, after all he is, the wrong colour).
:o

cmonstanley 20-04-2010 15:23

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isn this about a pedophile it doesnt matter which colour of skin theyve got they all deserve to die.ps they wonder why people are voting bnp. the biggest recruiters to the bnp are the polically correct enforcers

jaysay 20-04-2010 15:25

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 808296)
got to disagree, may cause nightmares! also gentleman does not sit right in yer sentence. seem to remember someone once calling Hitler one of them.:D

Well I can sympathise with that cashy, it might frighten the socks of PB meeting some off here :D:tongueout

BERNADETTE 20-04-2010 15:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 808264)
I'm sorry Bernie but I've never just got involved in mud slinging, I use this site every day, unlike messrs Jones, Dawson and Claytonender, who only get involved went they think the can score cheap political points, they may come on here, Jones does nearly every day, but never get involved in anything which is counterproductive to their political ethos

You don't count becaus as has been said you've opted out:) It would be nice though to see our concillors joining in and giving their views on topical issues even if their views don't match their parties views. Not holding my breath but would make a pleasant change:rolleyes:

Less 20-04-2010 16:11

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 808311)
Not holding my breath but would make a pleasant change:rolleyes:

Yes it would, but it's nice that you admit it.
:)

garinda 20-04-2010 16:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 808289)
As I'v always said anybody who wants to see that gentleman can go and site face to face in his office, not hide behind a screen name on here:p

Which would make perfect sense, if he hadn't dipped his toe in the water, made three attempts to dive in, then decided to go in search of his towel.

:rolleyes:

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

garinda 20-04-2010 17:03

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 808298)
Errrr....because there's nowt flying?



To Errr is human, (Congrats to both of you, you passed the test),

To do Er', no matter what culture you are from is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

We have got passed the Human rights when people like that are defended and their consequences ruin the lives of innocents.

(and I'm sure that, given the chance, to reply, every right minded Asian would agree with the above).

Come on Mani, bring your thoughts to the debate, (Oh, and if you could bring some of your mates as well, perhaps we could have a well rounded conversation about whites and blacks? (Oh no, sorry your not black are you, how embarrassing, please excuse my natural, (though perfectly understandable white supremacy!)))

(Wow, only just got away with that by the skin of my teeth! Still, he won't understand my prejudice, after all he is, the wrong colour).
:o

Why on earth should Mani's opinion matter, or count for more than anyone else's?

Did I miss the elections, in which various members of Accy Web are now the offical spokesperson on any given discussion?

Catholic, women, widower, gay, lesbian, American, single parent. Do we have a representative from each group, whose opinion is crucial to any debate which touches on those subjects?

As a hardworking Accy lad, and family man, I'm sure Mani does have an opinion on this scrote...just like everyone else.

What group do you now speak for Less?

:rolleyes:

garinda 20-04-2010 17:06

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 808302)
isn this about a pedophile it doesnt matter which colour of skin theyve got they all deserve to die.ps they wonder why people are voting bnp. the biggest recruiters to the bnp are the polically correct enforcers

Exactly.

It's about someone guilty of heinous crimes, who is a foreign national, and who has been granted the right to stay here because of his 'human rights'.

garinda 20-04-2010 17:18

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 808298)

To Errr is human, (Congrats to both of you, you passed the test),

To do Er', no matter what culture you are from is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

Er, he said, for dramatic effect, can be used as an interjection, and is listed in the dictionary.

Er - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Though thanks for you, er...help.

:D

DaveinGermany 20-04-2010 17:38

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Human Rights Act

The Human Rights Act 1998 gives further legal effect in the UK to the fundamental rights and freedoms contained in the European Convention on Human Rights. These rights not only impact matters of life and death, they also affect the rights you have in your everyday life: what you can say and do, your beliefs, your right to a fair trial and other similar basic entitlements.
Most rights have limits to ensure that they do not unfairly damage other people's rights. However, certain rights – such as the right not to be tortured – can never be limited by a court or anybody else.
You have the responsibility to respect other people's rights, and they must respect yours.





It is immaterial of the persons Race, Religion colour or creed, the human rights act is there for all. The principle is worthy when applied correctly & judiciously, sadly in the UK it is so abhorrently enforced by misguided, over zealous self serving whining bigots so steeped in their own self importance & to the detriment of the victims, that it has lost its validity.

Far to much weight is given to the first paragraph (As this suits the bleaters cause) that the second & truly relevant paragraph is conveniently forgotten, left aside or just plain ignored ! as I have stated elsewhere you break the conventions & rules of a society you therefore forgo any claims to that societies leniency & protection.

How dare someone stand forth & plead for "Their Rights" when they have totally disregarded the rights of others & brought misery, despair & loss to someone else or their Family. As to those who represent these scum ! They should share the punishment of their defendants on the rare occasion when justice is properly served ! Or maybe be held responsible for said defendants behaviour over a specific period. Perhaps then they wouldn't be quite so keen to support these creatures !

shillelagh 22-04-2010 16:23

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he should be thrown on the first plane back to pakistan .. to where he came from .. and let them deal with him ...

acertun 26-04-2010 13:06

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 808914)
he should be thrown on the first plane back to pakistan .. to where he came from .. and let them deal with him ...

Why cant he be made to walk back???

jaysay 26-04-2010 14:48

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Originally Posted by acertun (Post 810181)
Why cant he be made to walk back???

Especially the leg that takes in the the crossing of English Channel;)

acertun 27-04-2010 13:12

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 810206)
Especially the leg that takes in the the crossing of English Channel;)

do you think he is a swimmer or sinker Jaysay

jaysay 27-04-2010 14:50

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Originally Posted by acertun (Post 810416)
do you think he is a swimmer or sinker Jaysay

Don't give a stuff so long has he doesn't reach France:rolleyes:

DaveinGermany 26-02-2011 18:12

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This really will define were we are I think in relation to sovereign rule or puppets of Europe. :(

Murderers launch campaign for 'freedom' based on their human rights - Telegraph

jaysay 27-02-2011 09:32

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 887589)
This really will define were we are I think in relation to sovereign rule or puppets of Europe. :(

Murderers launch campaign for 'freedom' based on their human rights - Telegraph

Since when can murderers be classed as Human:rolleyes:

garinda 28-06-2011 16:42

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Did the Conservatives lie, before the election.

As post election, they don't exactly seem to be 'Tough on crime. Tough on the causes of crime'.

Hardly seems to be encouraging respect for our upholders of the law, when you can now call a policeman every name under the sun, without fear of even the slightest tap on the wrist.

Yobs get OK to swear at police officers | The Sun |News

Neil 28-06-2011 16:52

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I know what you mean, look at this driver in the outside lane towing a trailer at about 90mph, how do I know, I was doing over 80 and he passed me.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...1&d=1309279925

Neil 28-06-2011 16:53

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What about that stupid idea by a Darwen Cllr to allow not violent criminals to buy a shorter sentence?

garinda 28-06-2011 17:02

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 915023)
I know what you mean, look at this driver in the outside lane towing a trailer at about 90mph, how do I know, I was doing over 80 and he passed me.

I hope you weren't driving when you took that.

Must have been a left-hand drive car, right?

Otherwise they might decide to get tough after all, and prosecute you, for using a mobile whilst driving.

:D

jaysay 28-06-2011 17:05

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 915019)
Did the Conservatives lie, before the election.

As post election, they don't exactly seem to be 'Tough on crime. Tough on the causes of crime'.

Hardly seems to be encouraging respect for our upholders of the law, when you can now call a policeman every name under the sun, without fear of even the slightest tap on the wrist.

Yobs get OK to swear at police officers | The Sun |News

I actually saw that in the Mail yesterday, but though better of putting the link on here, well it was the Mail the Suns sister paper:D must be something to do with their human rights, ya know free speech and all that:rolleyes::rolleyes:

garinda 28-06-2011 17:07

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 915024)
What about that stupid idea by a Darwen Cllr to allow not violent criminals to buy a shorter sentence?

Discussed this with my mum today, over lunch.

The stupidity of some people is quite astounding.

Yes, you can use all the dosh, you've aquired through committing crimes, and use it to buy less time in the clink.

Mind you, it'd have to be a very serious crime nowadays, even to warrant a custodial sentence.

:mad:

jaysay 28-06-2011 17:07

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 915028)
I hope you weren't driving when you took that.

Must have been a left-hand drive car, right?

Otherwise they might decide to get tough after all, and prosecute you, for using a mobile whilst driving.

:D

And at 80mph too:D

garinda 28-06-2011 17:09

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 915030)
I actually saw that in the Mail yesterday, but though better of putting the link on here, well it was the Mail the Suns sister paper:D must be something to do with their human rights, ya know free speech and all that:rolleyes::rolleyes:

The Mail had a fuller story, but the Sun had a funnier take on it.

:D

Though I could have had my pick of all the newspapers. As thankfully this ludicrous change in the law has been widely reported.

Neil 28-06-2011 17:23

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 915032)
And at 80mph too:D

They you go again assuming the worst of everyone.

I just witnessed a crime. 2 kids just stole the string LCC have laid out so they can lay the cobbles level at the top of the street. These 2 kids were just dropped off at the gate, went for a walk around the park then left again and stole it as they left the park. i wonder what they were really looking for, maybe checking if the cobbles were loose still :rolleyes:

You might laugh but if thats the way kids are brought up what will they be doing when they are older?

Neil 28-06-2011 17:24

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 915033)
The Mail had a fuller story, but the Sun had a funnier take on it.

Was too busy checking if any of the free Tesco coupons were for anything we buy :D

I did read about if from a tweet by the LET

Tealeaf 28-06-2011 17:41

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 915041)
They you go again assuming the worst of everyone.

I just witnessed a crime. 2 kids just stole the string LCC have laid out so they can lay the cobbles level at the top of the street. These 2 kids were just dropped off at the gate, went for a walk around the park then left again and stole it as they left the park. i wonder what they were really looking for, maybe checking if the cobbles were loose still :rolleyes:

You might laugh but if thats the way kids are brought up what will they be doing when they are older?

Sounds like it's gypo kids who've swiped the string;they'll have run off to their dads with it in order they can measure up the amount of cobbles they'll be nicking over the next night or so. The same cobbles will probably be laid on the driveway of some London detached des-res within the next week.

jaysay 28-06-2011 17:45

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 915041)
They you go again assuming the worst of everyone.

I just witnessed a crime. 2 kids just stole the string LCC have laid out so they can lay the cobbles level at the top of the street. These 2 kids were just dropped off at the gate, went for a walk around the park then left again and stole it as they left the park. i wonder what they were really looking for, maybe checking if the cobbles were loose still :rolleyes:

You might laugh but if thats the way kids are brought up what will they be doing when they are older?

Probably exactly the same thing their parents have taught them Neil


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