Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 808961)

How about letting us know what the actual facts are?

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 808943)

unless gregg will be walking into catholic scools performing abortions for school girls raped by their priest i cant see any link either.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 809064)

Don't see how its any problem, greg popes a fair minded bloke, also catholic, so whats the issue here?:confused:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 808961)

How about letting us know what the actual facts are?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 809064)

Don't see how its any problem, greg popes a fair minded bloke, also catholic, so whats the issue here?:confused:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 809529)

Ok, Ok, since most of you don't seem able to make the connection here, let me offer a brief explanation for my posting. First off, despite his attending St Mary's, I didn't realise that Greg was catholic, however small the 'C'. But this only goes to make the situation even worse. As a catholic of more or less my generation, educated in the same diocese, I would expect him to have some familiarity with the church's position on Birth Control and Abortion. The thing about catholicism is that, unlike Anglicanism, you cannot pick and choose which elements of it you choose to believe, you have to take the whole lot or you are not a catholic. Those are the rules and they have not changed in two millenia and are unlikley to change any time soon, despite what some may claim to the contrary as a result of the second Vatican Council (Vat II).

So, for Greg to go wandering through the lobbies of Parliament voting in favour of Abortion is manifestly contrary to the teachings of the faith he claims to profess. Such a position is untenable in the deputy director of the CES, particularly given the possibility that Catholic schools will be forced to direct teenage girls to “termination” services. (He also voted against an amendment affirming a child’s need for a father.)

For me I couldn't care one hoot about Greg's religious beliefs, that is a matter for him and his conscience. What does bother me is the apparent hypocrisy of accepting a position within an organisation that requires belief on issues with which one is demonstrably at varience. A bit like claiming to be jewish to get a job in a synagogue and bringing bacon butties to work in your lunch box.

Catholic parents are justified in questioning the CES and the Bishop's Conference about Greg's appointment. There is something about this which does not 'smell' right.

NB The phrase "the culture of death" is used in catholic circles to describe any philosophy or system which does not hold all life to be sacred and which promotes abortion, artificial birth control and euthanasia.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 809531)

Well Bob I'm a catholic, but don't commit 100% to some of churches views, okay I'm against abortion, but disagree with the church stance on contraception, it isn't the church that has to cloth and feed the kids, I don't hold with their views on homosexuality either, for the simple reason that people do not chose to be gay, that is how they are born, or you could say how god intended them to be, so its a bit hypocritical isn't it, the church being anti gay

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 809529)

Ok, Ok, since most of you don't seem able to make the connection here, let me offer a brief explanation for my posting. First off, despite his attending St Mary's, I didn't realise that Greg was catholic, however small the 'C'. But this only goes to make the situation even worse. As a catholic of more or less my generation, educated in the same diocese, I would expect him to have some familiarity with the church's position on Birth Control and Abortion. The thing about catholicism is that, unlike Anglicanism, you cannot pick and choose which elements of it you choose to believe, you have to take the whole lot or you are not a catholic. Those are the rules and they have not changed in two millenia and are unlikley to change any time soon, despite what some may claim to the contrary as a result of the second Vatican Council (Vat II).

So, for Greg to go wandering through the lobbies of Parliament voting in favour of Abortion is manifestly contrary to the teachings of the faith he claims to profess. Such a position is untenable in the deputy director of the CES, particularly given the possibility that Catholic schools will be forced to direct teenage girls to “termination” services. (He also voted against an amendment affirming a child’s need for a father.)

For me I couldn't care one hoot about Greg's religious beliefs, that is a matter for him and his conscience. What does bother me is the apparent hypocrisy of accepting a position within an organisation that requires belief on issues with which one is demonstrably at varience. A bit like claiming to be jewish to get a job in a synagogue and bringing bacon butties to work in your lunch box.

Catholic parents are justified in questioning the CES and the Bishop's Conference about Greg's appointment. There is something about this which does not 'smell' right.

NB The phrase "the culture of death" is used in catholic circles to describe any philosophy or system which does not hold all life to be sacred and which promotes abortion, artificial birth control and euthanasia.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 809540)

Would you count yourself as a good Catholic, and follow church rules to the letter?

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 809542)

I defy any Catholic good or bad to say they follow the church rules to the letter, as has been said the church does not contribute towards the expense of raising a child so how can they dictate that women keep producing them knowing that they can't afford to bring them up as they see fit?