Hyndburn Borough Council election results 2010
 

Just seen on Facebook - Tim O'Kane is now a councillor again.

He's just beaten Nick Collingridge to take back his Clayton seat.

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All Hyndburn results have been published on Accrington Observer's website

Accrington Observer

Not much change really. Well done to all the winners.

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Well done, young Ken! :)

...and, of course, young Bernard too. :D

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Rishton Candidate Party Votes
Chris Fisher Independent 380
Ken Moss Labour 1535
Ross Sourbutts Conservative 1384

It seems to me there's a difference for one person:-

Councillor Ross,

Congratulations, please, from now on just give us the juicy bit's when you post about Council Business.
:)

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Whoo-hoo!

Well done Ken, on winning Rishton.

I think it was your training on here that did it!

Good luck, H.B.C. needs new blood.

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congrats Mossy :D

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Well done Ken, good news for Rishton !!

And Bernard held it with no problems .. good 'un.

Was sorry that Nick lost his seat in Clayton though. Don't know Tim O'Kane, he always looks grumpy. :(

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Its a few years since I used to work for HBC, but I remember Tim O'Kane as being a dedicated councillor. so well done, Tim. Bernard Dawson has been there forever and it would not be the same without him! Give Peter B grief from me, Bernard and Tim!

And Congratulations to Graham Jones on becoming the new MP. I know he is more connected with the town than Mr Pope ever was.

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so what now for hyndburn??

is it a tory council with a labour mp?

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Correct Mani .. no change there this time. Suppose a sort of balance though.

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BBC website says it's a Labour controlled council now??:confused:

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I'd like to thank all those AccyWebbers who have sent messages of moral support, they were very much appreciated.

It's been something of a tiring two days so myself and Cllr Grayson are off to the pub to celebrate and wind down.

In credit to my Conservative opponent, he was extremely gracious in defeat and I look forward to working with him in the future on Rishton projects.

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It's a bit like the national scene. Conservatives have more councillors but don't have overall control according to the Observer

" the council chamber tantalisingly balanced with the Conservatives still the largest party on 17, Labour up to 14, and the Independents down one to four. "

I would guess there will be a vacancy soon :)

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Not sure what will happen

Conservative 17
Labour 14
Others 4

No overall majority

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It's hung, Gayle....like the House of Commons, in minature.

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well Done Ken, Congratulations.

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Sorry, congratulations to Bernard as well.

It's just I never doubted you wouldn't romp home.

Which you did.

:D

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Can i add my congratulations to both Bernard and Ken too! Well Done!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Well done Ken, having met you I know you will make a good councillor, your hearts in the right place, best of luck

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It's a hung Council. Thanks to all those that voted. I do not know the vote share. Commiseration's to those that lost. Nick and Paul Gott were good Councillors.

Coalition 17, Conservatives 17.

Everything rests on Councillor Malcolm Pritchard and it appears he has the future destiny of the Borough in his hand.

He has been promised the Mayoralty if he votes for Peter Britcliffe as Leader.

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Yes Graham you are right it seems to rest on me. But you seem to forget that I have and always will do what I feel is the best for Hyndburn. I have not been promised the Mayoralty from Peter Britcliffe if I vote with his party. It is just that I have done what I believe is the best for the people. That is why I am not in any party because I will not be told by you are anyone else which way to vote. That was why I left the Labour party because I would not be told what to say are do by you are your party. This also goes for the Independent group that is why I am not a member of their group. I repeat I will always put people before politics. Yours Malcolmp.

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I'm glad your saying Malcolm that you wont be told by anyone else how to vote... i know you've had some probs with labour..but if you look at the Conservatives policy re selection(General Election)...that really amounts to dictatorship!

Some people also think that Peter likes to exert similar controls on a local level! May be there are parallels here...or am i reading too much into things!

Best Regards - Taggy

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wouldn't it be a turn up for the books if your next Mayor is Mr Pritchard though

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Turn up....or Set up? :D

Best Regards - Taggy

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Yes flashy I am the next mayor it was on the cards in 2002 as 2010 is a special year for my family, as me and my wife are both 60 and it is our 40th Wedding anniversary this year. Also I have been involved with the Council for 30 years. 21 years working for them and 9 years as a councillor. I am looking foward to receiveing all my Birthday cards from fellow councillors on Monday but I will not be holding my breath much to the disappointment of some of them.

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So who is the leader of the Council now then?

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no one yet yours malcolmp

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so how will the Council function or will one be decided soon?
will it be impossible for HBC to do anything without an overall majority?

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As it stands, any decisions made in the council chamber will be truly democratic as no one party can be whipped to all vote the same way by its leader in order to push something through. However, the council needs a leader in the house in order to work properly.

Generally speaking in England, the party with the largest number of members gets to decide who the next leader is. In essence, Councillor Pritchard has the deciding vote as he has publicly stated he has no allegiance one way or another.

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I'v heard that Peter says HE is !!Best Regards - Taggy!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Technically, until there is a vote on the new leader he remains in that position although that is by no means guaranteed beyond the Hyndburn Council AGM on 18th May.

As I said, the decision is really up to Cllr Malcolm Pritchard on the day.

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Congrats on your win Ken and thanks for the info.

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No problem and thanks.

It's something I am very much looking forward to. We have some good councillors across the board in Hyndburn but (wait for it, Steve....) primarily there are a number of local issues that I can finally put to bed by working with Cllr Harry Grayson.

It's an exciting time and if anyone wants to know what I'm up to then feel free to ask.

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So Technically....then is he more worthy of his position than....say Gordon Brown??

Best Regards - Taggy

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I suppose in terms of actual 'seats' Peter Britcliffe is more deserving of the leader's job than Gordon Brown is of being Prime Minister.

Whether Cllr Britcliffe being leader is best for Hyndburn is another matter entirely and should, in theory, be decided democratically on 18th May.

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Spot on Ken...Isn't it funny that demorcracy means deferent things to deferent people?

Best Regards - Taggy

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Where does the Honourable Councillor Jones come into this equation? If there is a vote for the leader of the council on the 18th May, will he be there as councillor for Peel or will he be in the Commons as Member for Hyndburn? He can't be in both places at once. So unless there is a proxy vote then he will have to return to Hyndburn for the council AGM...which raises the question of who will be responsible for his first class return rail fare - HBC, Hyndburn Labour Party or the taxpayer?

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The 18th May will be the first day of the new Parliament as well.

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It's clearly an dilemma if the dates clash. I have a vote in both and both may count. I hope the 18th is not the recall to Parliament. There is no vote by proxy.

The three independents have suggested they will be backing Miles Parkinson as new Council Leader in a coalition so Miles has 17 votes. Peter Britcliffe has 17 votes with his Conservative Councillors.

The only undecided is Malcolm and up until the 18th he has to make his mind up. Malcolm in 2007 was elected as a Labour Councillor so he has also to consider the will of his electorate.

Miles Parkinson will make a great Council leader and will be a fresh change, a new direction.

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Eh? I thought they were all due in Westminster within the next few days. But even if parliament does not formally sit I would have thought it would now be imperative to get the various party MP's togeather just in order for their respective leaders to consult with them over whatever power deals are now being done.

Still, I suppose that is now being done by 'soundings' over the net or whatever.

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Does that mean you have already decided who you will be supporting then Malcolm? Or will you be taking soundings from your electorate?

I'm not particularily clever, nor am i a mind reader, but if i was a bookie i think i would have closed the book on taking bets as to who you will choose!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Councillor Moss, if you please!

As for juicy bits, you may well think that but I couldn't possibly comment....

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:rolleyes: yeah right

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Don't take long does it shaz:D

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I understand Parliament may be recalled on the 18th so it's all in Malcolm's hands as there looks as thought there may be a clash.

Malcolm is a personal friend of Miles Parkinson and a big critic of Peter Britcliffe. I'd hope Malcolm will do the right thing and put the people first.

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I've a feeling he's a big critic of some one else too Graham;)

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If you think in just the slightest of ways that if we ever meet I will cow-tow to you and call you Councillor you can goooooo, shove it where the sun don't shine.:D

You volunteered for the job, don't let it go to your head, the last 'Councillor', that emphasised that I should address him in that manner got a lesson in Anglo-Saxon Phrases and told to treat others with respect before putting on such airs & graces.:cool::tongueout

Think yourself lucky I refer to you as Ken on site and not some other name that comes to mind! (Damn that swear filter).

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he'll always get Mossy from me

and Neil stop editing my posts, there was nothing in it TO edit

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Oh dear....Less being rude and Neil being naughty. What a way to start the week.

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I'm not being rude, you know me, that was dressed in Sunday Best going to Church language.
:D

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Now now, Less. Unless I misunderstood your post, it sounded like you were calling me Councillor Ross. Merely a correction...

:D

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You've a lot to learn Ken, nobody corrects Less:D

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Tell you what you can do, you can...

take a look at the letters sent out to ordinary folk about Council Tax and rents, get them to put details in plain English on less than 8 double sided sheets of paper, in a manner that is easily understood and if they think there has been an overpayment not to make it seem like the person concerned did it deliberately!

What on earth are they talking about?
Why couldn't they have just sent a statement showing when a person's entitlement finished and a polite note about how and when they need to start paying rent/Council Tax for themselves?

Because after such gobbledegook about rent, the whole lot is repeated on many more double sided sheets for Council Tax as well!

None of it makes clear sense, and the cost to our Council in paper must be horrendous.
:rolleyes:

Go on, Ken stick your nose into that department then come on here and tell us how you got your hand slapped by some arrogant 'Civil?' Servant, (after that, you'll know who has the real power in Hyndburn).
:D

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I worked for a few months at LCC some years ago and overheard a conversation regarding the political will and the administrative will, as there is generally regarded to be some difference between them.

The retort came back along the lines of 'the political will and the administrative won't' and unfortunately I found this to be true during my time there.

With HBC, I am pleased to say that all the requests I have ever sent have been dealt with very efficiently although the point you brought up is a very valid one and something I'll ask about.

I have a horrible feeling that I'm going to slip into 'Rome wasn't built in a day' mode soon, but if something is an issue then keep on at your councillors until you get a satisfactory answer.

That's what we're paid for.

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Correct, erm, no your not, well yes, of course you are, sorry, it must be my fault.

(Even you have corrected me before now J' it's just that I refuse to learn).
:D

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Is this why some councillors are better than others as they cost us more ?

( oops sorry thats expenses isn't it :D )

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I just fixed your quote thats all, it was missing a [/. I was on my mobile so could not be bothered putting the reason why I edited sorry.

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And there's me thinking you were learning all the time Less:D

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More movement yesterday and today.

Malcolm has approached Labour Councillors but gone back to the Tories. Want's a guarantee of the Mayoralty.

I suspect it will be 17-17-1 until the 18th.

Malcolm is from a Labour family and his daughter is the current Labour deputy leader. His father was a big Labour supporter. His electorate voted him in on a Labour ticket and they voted overwhelmingly Labour last Thursday. Many of his former council colleagues believe Malcolm is Labour and can't see him going over to the other side.

Malcolm's honest path is to vote for Miles Parkinson as Leader. Anything else risks upsetting the electorate and many friends within the Council.

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According to the Telegraph the decision has already been made;

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well would be interesting to know how many of his constituents hes spoken to?, and also he dont represent the whole Borough.:rolleyes: i think his owd party are well rid of this guy.:(

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Anyone know the real reason why he left the Labour party and became independant? I have heard rumours but prefer to hear it from the horses mouth

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Neil give me a private message with your contact details and i will tell you malcolmp

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sleazy alliances seem to be the in thing these days.:(:rolleyes:

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Would it not be better, if all politicians are up front and honest, to tell us all why you left your party and went independant, rather than just PM Neil? If you are an honest man then you will have nothing to hide. ( Unless it involves someone else)
Sorry if this comes across as abrupt or nosey but I'm just voicing an observation.
I shall now go back into hiding :D

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I agree.

When the balance of the whole council lies in the hands of one independent councillor, it does all seem a bit cloak and dagger, that he seems willing to share information privately, but unwilling to do it publicly.

What happened to transparency and openess?

In the interest of true independence I, along with many others, would be interested in Cllr. Pritchard's reasons for leaving his last party, and his reasons for backing the party that'll form the majority party at H.B.C.

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It would seem a reasonable thing to know wouldn't it?

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it on here though, perhaps we need to start a rumour over in anything goes, you know the sort of thing, someone makes a three word post, the next does similar and so on until just by imagining the worst we hit on the truth.:D

or

The potential next Mayor, (I hope you haven't been playing carrots & donkeys Hyndburn), could just tell us in this thread?:)

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post679113

There does seem to be quite a lot of biterness, and I think we should be told why.

Perhaps he'll feel better, and happier, when he's wearing the Mayoral chains of office.

:rolleyes:

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whilst i can accept/understand any elected person from any party,walking away fer whatever reason n becoming "Independant" no problem, what i cannot accept/understand is ANY elected person completely changing allegiance n colours, they used to "Execute" Traitors way back.:(

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Well haggis its good to be a burnley fan and not a blue and -hit fan you watch your accy play cricket and the stanley go down with luton town,------ this was the first post of the guy who wants to become "Hyndburns" Mayor, takes the pish, then wants to rub yer noses in it. IMHO.:mad:

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Of course, the flip side of this is why other Independents, one who had left the Labour party a few years ago, were so quick to go back to Labour rather than maintain their independence. Whilst you're questioning Malcolm Pritchard's motives, you might want to question the other independents. I mean, let's face it, it's only Malcolm who's being called in to question here because he's the last person to nail his colours to the mast - 3 other independents were very quick to relinquish their independence at the thought of having a chance to get into power.

Plus, wasn't one of those other independents (David Mason?) elected in as a Tory, or have I imagined that?

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dont think independants of whichever party, returning to the fold is questionable gayle, its completely changing colours that is in my book.

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It seems that most politicians have their price - pity that some set it so low.

I do not know about any bickering or shinanegging in the past, so see this as -
'support exchanged for a mayoral chain'
....and its only on loan! - cheap really aint it?

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I'm only curious why he seems happy to share his reasons privately, via the private message system, but not do it openly.

Personally I have the strength in my own convictions, and if I have something to say, am more than willing to do it publicly, not whispering it behind my hand.

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Snakes In The Grass, should answer yer question, a trait no doubt aquired from his new buddy.:D

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Even stranger is that Cllr. Pritchard refers to himself in the third person, and says he 'knows him'. Let's hope he does know him!

Cllr. Britcliffe once posted on here in the third person. Perhaps it's all the fashion.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post621115

Most odd, if you ask me.

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Shouldn't people who have conversations, or talk to themselves, seek psychiatric help?

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whore

intr.v. whored, whor·ing, whores

3. To compromise one's principles for personal gain.
whoring - definition of whoring by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Perhaps some people haven't yet realised that 'All that glitters is not gold'.

:rolleyes:

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Amongst all this questioning of local politics etc...

Can I just throw in the ring ...

I got a lovely hand written thank you card (none party cards) from our new local councillor Ciaran Wells for the support in displaying his and Grahams posters in my window. Thought it was a lovely gesture

thanks Ciaran, little gestures like that go a long way

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I got a nice letter from that well brought up lady from the coast, who popped across to see us. Thanking me for my work in helping to raise her profile.

Karen something.

Can't remember her surname, but lovely handwriting.

:D

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well you did better than me .. and i shook her hand!!!!:D:D:D

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Sge was definitely doomed after that Jen:):)

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Yes Gayle it looks like he was. Here is a link to the so called Independents website Hyndburn Independents

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I have not spoken with Malcolm, I don't think we have ever met either.

Why has no one asked the members of the Labour party on here what happened when Malcolm left the Labour party, I am sure they all know the reasons but don't appear to want to shout about it either.

Graham Jones was the top dog at the time but I don't remember him openly explaining the reasons either.

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:Thats shocking:D

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thats crap to me as then it would be second hand information, it should come straight from the horses mouth in the first instance surely?:confused:

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Maybe they all stayed quiet for there own reasons. Its hardly second hand information if it came from Graham. He should have been the party spokesperson at the time.

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That would be washing their dirty linen in public Neil ;)

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Exactly.

He seems keen to share his reasons, by the private message system on here, but doesn't have the strength of his convictions to do it publicly, apparently.

Like Cashy, I'd rather hear the reasons from the actual source, not some secondhand interpretation, of what others think the reasons might be.

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It is secondhand.

Cllr. Pritchard says he'll pm you his reasons.

His reasons are the most important.

No one else's.

He was the one that left one party to become 'independent'.

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No he wanted me to PM him my details and he would contact me. Maybe I will phone him and ask him but whatever he tells me will stay between us. If he wants to tell the story publicly thats up to him.

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Again, he said he's happy to share his reasons privately, just not publicly, which I find odd.

Personally if I have anything I think is worth saying, I'm more than happy to do it publicly, rather than all this behind the scenes whispering in individual ears.

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So much for transparency on the part of Councillor Pritchard (Snr).

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I don't remember him saying he wanted to be :rolleyes:

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Shame that. He's not prepared to state publicly the reasons for his course of action but presumably he's still prepared to take the Hyndburn ratepayer's coin.

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Apparently he doesn't now claim any expenses.

Though I don't think that's been the case for the last thirty years.

Still odd that he's prepared to whisper his reasons privately, but not publicly.

Can't imagine the electorate of Milnshaw will be too impressed.

Perhaps he doesn't care, once he's been able to dress up as the Mayor.

:rolleyes:

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Most peculiar. He neither claims expenses nor explains his actions...what is he then - a ghost? Will the next mayor of Hyndburn wear a bed sheet over his head as his official dress uniform?

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Well this resident of Milnshaw is not impressed. I don't know how many constituents he consulted to get his 60% - 40% split but I see it as nothing but betrayal of the voters who elected him.
I hope he enjoys his stint as mayor, but I, for one , will not be voting for him again (if he stands.....perhaps being mayor will be his swan song)

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You mean you voted for him before?...after what he said about Stanley in his very first post on Accyweb??!! :eek:

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Rindy, Malcolm hasn't been a Councillor for the last thirty years. Malcolm use to work for the Council before he became a Councillor.

I think he's been a Councillor for 8 years.Before that as I said he worked for the Council for a long number of years.