Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 814972)

Its all about facing facts ! Things happen we don't like & disagree with but as sensible adults ? We've got to live with it, or not as the case maybe; eh Mancie ! If everybody threw their toys out of the pram when things don't go their way we'd be in a right old pickle, we just have to accept that !

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815084)

I'm not taking the blame! :)

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 815108)

Seeing that Labour lost almost 100 seats I would say the majority did not want a Labour government

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 815108)

Seeing that Labour lost almost 100 seats I would say the majority did not want a Labour government

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 815116)

Sorry Cashy, but 65% did vote, which is the majority.
Voter turnout at UK general elections 1945 – 2010 | UK Political Info

Not turning into AndrewB, honest.

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 815116)

Sorry Cashy, but 65% did vote, which is the majority.
Voter turnout at UK general elections 1945 – 2010 | UK Political Info

Not turning into AndrewB, honest.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815126)

Cashy, the sad fact is we have to governed by someone(this was a frequently used response by my daughter when she was trying to convert me to use my vote....and before anyone jumps down my throat...Idid visit the polling station, but couldn't bring myself in all conscience to vote for any of those candidates whose names were on the list....so I spoiled my vote)...it has long been the situation that the party that is elected is NOT the choice of the majority of those who live in the country.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 815203)

Well I've read the last few posts on this thread from cashy, Margaret and Wyn, and I can say I agree with all you've said, made interesting reading

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815138)

Cashy, I am sorry that you are so despondent........and in a way I can understand why.
You have devoted your life to the union movement who in turn supported the Labour party.....however the Labour party as you and I knew it ceased to exist when Tony Blair promoted New Labour.......these politicians were not the working class men who had scaled the heights of the political tree......they were privileged young men who knew nothing about hard physical work.......and the industrial revolution was a period that they might have studied for exams.......it had little relevance to them. they had attended elitist schools and university.......many of the politicians(certainly the Labour ones) had backgrounds in industry, had done real work.....work that made their hands dirty, but their hearts proud.
It is a different world of politics now...all spin - smoke and mirrors.
The parties let us vote in the assumption that it will keep us, the hoi polloi quiet and acquiescent in thinking that we actually have a say in what happens to the country........when in actual fact the politicians tell us fairy stories that will sway us to elect them and then they will do any damn thing that they please...purely because they can.......telling us all the while that we gave them the mandate.

Did you vote for open borders? did you vote for us to give away money to the EU?(the rebates the Margaret Thatcher negotiated for us) did you vote for all the knee jerk policies that eroded our liberties....the surveillance that is supposed to protect us, but in lots of cases merely watches us?
Did you vote for criminals to be released early? Did you vote for the judiciary to be little more than political pawns? For the police to be politicised by targets that must be met.....for the health service to be likewise target seekers instead of carers......for the Quangos that guzzle taxpayer money like it is going out of fashion....for much of legislation to be masterminded at Brussels by people who are unelected by us.

It is a sad and sorry state that we live in......and if I were younger I would seriously consider moving away from this country....sadly ther aren't many places that want retired, gobby nursing sisters.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 815203)

Well I've read the last few posts on this thread from cashy, Margaret and Wyn, and I can say I agree with all you've said, made interesting reading

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 815223)

Thats one of the best posts i've read for some time....spot on!

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815138)

Cashy, I am sorry that you are so despondent........and in a way I can understand why.
You have devoted your life to the union movement who in turn supported the Labour party.....however the Labour party as you and I knew it ceased to exist when Tony Blair promoted New Labour.......these politicians were not the working class men who had scaled the heights of the political tree......they were privileged young men who knew nothing about hard physical work.......and the industrial revolution was a period that they might have studied for exams.......it had little relevance to them. they had attended elitist schools and university.......many of the politicians(certainly the Labour ones) had backgrounds in industry, had done real work.....work that made their hands dirty, but their hearts proud.
It is a different world of politics now...all spin - smoke and mirrors.
The parties let us vote in the assumption that it will keep us, the hoi polloi quiet and acquiescent in thinking that we actually have a say in what happens to the country........when in actual fact the politicians tell us fairy stories that will sway us to elect them and then they will do any damn thing that they please...purely because they can.......telling us all the while that we gave them the mandate.

Did you vote for open borders? did you vote for us to give away money to the EU?(the rebates the Margaret Thatcher negotiated for us) did you vote for all the knee jerk policies that eroded our liberties....the surveillance that is supposed to protect us, but in lots of cases merely watches us?
Did you vote for criminals to be released early? Did you vote for the judiciary to be little more than political pawns? For the police to be politicised by targets that must be met.....for the health service to be likewise target seekers instead of carers......for the Quangos that guzzle taxpayer money like it is going out of fashion....for much of legislation to be masterminded at Brussels by people who are unelected by us.

It is a sad and sorry state that we live in......and if I were younger I would seriously consider moving away from this country....sadly ther aren't many places that want retired, gobby nursing sisters.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815138)

Did you vote for open borders? did you vote for us to give away money to the EU?(the rebates the Margaret Thatcher negotiated for us) did you vote for all the knee jerk policies that eroded our liberties....the surveillance that is supposed to protect us, but in lots of cases merely watches us?
Did you vote for criminals to be released early? Did you vote for the judiciary to be little more than political pawns? For the police to be politicised by targets that must be met.....for the health service to be likewise target seekers instead of carers......for the Quangos that guzzle taxpayer money like it is going out of fashion....for much of legislation to be masterminded at Brussels by people who are unelected by us.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815138)

Cashy, I am sorry that you are so despondent........and in a way I can understand why.
You have devoted your life to the union movement who in turn supported the Labour party.....however the Labour party as you and I knew it ceased to exist when Tony Blair promoted New Labour.......these politicians were not the working class men who had scaled the heights of the political tree......they were privileged young men who knew nothing about hard physical work.......and the industrial revolution was a period that they might have studied for exams.......it had little relevance to them. they had attended elitist schools and university.......many of the politicians(certainly the Labour ones) had backgrounds in industry, had done real work.....work that made their hands dirty, but their hearts proud.
It is a different world of politics now...all spin - smoke and mirrors.
The parties let us vote in the assumption that it will keep us, the hoi polloi quiet and acquiescent in thinking that we actually have a say in what happens to the country........when in actual fact the politicians tell us fairy stories that will sway us to elect them and then they will do any damn thing that they please...purely because they can.......telling us all the while that we gave them the mandate.

Did you vote for open borders? did you vote for us to give away money to the EU?(the rebates the Margaret Thatcher negotiated for us) did you vote for all the knee jerk policies that eroded our liberties....the surveillance that is supposed to protect us, but in lots of cases merely watches us?
Did you vote for criminals to be released early? Did you vote for the judiciary to be little more than political pawns? For the police to be politicised by targets that must be met.....for the health service to be likewise target seekers instead of carers......for the Quangos that guzzle taxpayer money like it is going out of fashion....for much of legislation to be masterminded at Brussels by people who are unelected by us.

It is a sad and sorry state that we live in......and if I were younger I would seriously consider moving away from this country....sadly ther aren't many places that want retired, gobby nursing sisters.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 815366)

Very good.. but there is a not so very old saying..if you don't vote then don't moan.. asking people if they voted for "this" or "that" is patronizing those that did vote.
If we all had your point of view then there would be anarchy.. if no one voted because they are fed up what would we have?...I reckon your post is biased against Brown and the last 12 years, yet you hail Thatcher, the woman and her party got us into the EU and destroyed the last dregs of community we had ...thanks Margaret for your "unbiased" views..:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815219)

John, thanks for reading what we have written.....as far as agreeing with it, maybe it is because we are all of an age when politics was a different game altogether...when there was honesty and integrity...when the people who went into it did so for the best reasons.....to improve the lot of their own people.
Now there are no poor exMP's....they all come out of politics richer than they went in and with connections that make it easy for them to walk straight into consultancy jobs....which means they get paid mega bucks for doing precious little.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 815316)

If you were a politician, Margaret, I'd vote for you on a platform like that! :)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815560)

You know folks...I posted my views with trepidation.
I felt like I would be putting my head above the parapet....and I waited to hear the zing of bullets and the hot air from them......feeling sure I would be shot to pieces.
I have to admit this hasn't ever stopped me in the past...but so much passion was generated by this political debacle.....I can't say it polarised people because three or more parties cannot polarise.....but it did throw up the fact that many ordinary people....people who are honest and genuine, who have worked for their homes, and provided for their families, were very unhappy with how politics was affecting their lives.

it seemed to me that people did not know who they could trust...after all we had been royally let down by these politicians in many ways.
We were promised a land of milk and honey by Tony Blair.......and it seemed that all we had got was a land of funny money....and all of it going to the wrong people. Criminals having more spent on their welfare than the sick in the hospitals of the land.

Pensioners who were supposed to be grateful for a free bus pass, prescriptions and a heating allowance, when terrorists were being given thousands upon thousands of pounds in compensation for injury to their feelings.

Soldiers being sent out to an illegal war(that none of us were asked if we agreed with) with ineffectual equipment.
I seem to remember that we were promised a referendum on the ratification of the treaty of Lisbon.......that didn't happen and more of our hard earned money was directed into the coffers in Brussels...along with our right to govern ourselves.
My recollection of the EU...or the Common Market as it was called then, was that it was a trade alliance....not that it would become this ungainly polital beast that would siphon money from member countries to go....well, who knows where this money goes.
Gordon Brown constantly referred to a 'fairer Britain'...well from my perspective none of it looked anything like fair to me.

And that is what made me put up the posts.
It seems that I am not alone in my observations........and if I, a retired gobby Nursing Sister can see this so clearly...tell me, why can't the educated politicians see it too?

Simple....they don't want to.....there would be no money in it for them.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815716)

Just because I can see what has gone wrong in the past doesn't make me suitably qualified to sort out those problems...although, it is necessary to be able to see where something is wrong before you can put it right.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 815773)

As you say, seeing what's wrong, at least means you can attempt to change it.

Lots of politicans are so far removed from reality, they've lost the ability to see further than an expenses form.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 815972)

The thing is Garinda, most MPs are like Graham Jones, who is by noway removed from reality, when first elected, whether this lasts or not only time will tell;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 815989)

Graham Jones has, and does, live in the real world, and has worked for a living. Unlike many of the politicans, who are professional politicans, and that includes many of the new intake, despite what Cameron promised, when he opened up the selection process.

Apparently many at grassroots level, opposed his choice of candidates.

;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 815992)

Who was that:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 815995)

Some posh bint, from Lytham, if my memory serves me well.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 816030)

Didn't know they had posh bints in Lytham:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 816031)

See, if you'd taken more time to get to know her, you could have voted for the posh bint.

I know you like to respect your betters.

:D

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 819623)

According to your man Clegg, they'll not be making the mistakes the Tories of the 80's made, as they have plans, does that make you feel happier Mancie ?

Clegg vows to protect poorest regions from impact of cuts - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

But in an apparent reference to the woes of industrial regions of the North and Midlands during the Thatcher years, he said special initiatives were being rapidly prepared to cushion the areas that would otherwise be "left high and dry".

Sounds as though he's more Socialist than New Labour were ! Question is will he pull it off or is this more bluff & bluster ?