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No worries.. massive cuts Education.. massive cuts in the NHS.. all hail the new Tory Government and God help us all

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Deary,Deary me, but aren't we the prophet of Doom & Gloom this morning ? :D

You never know you may be surprised at what happens, & if you're truly honest, life under labour wasn't all Beer & skittles now was it ? well one good thing Labour has now got its first female leader (although temporary) My aren't you the lucky ones ! Harriet (Harridan) Harman :D:D:D

Now why does the expression "frying pans & fire" spring to mind ???

Harman takes over until next leader is chosen - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

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Sorry ! Must correct myself, 1994 you had the marvelous Ms Margaret Beckett at the helm ! You can certainly pick 'em ! :whack: :s_aim1: So in actual fact, Harridan Harman is your 2nd female leader ! What a shining example the Labour Party is to equality ! :rolleyes:

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We? .. who are you talking about? the "We" who do not want a Goverment that robs the less well off in order to keep those better off in comfort when they tell us times are hard?.. stay in Germany you scouse Tory ****** and reap your rewards from far off ..Mein Fuhrer :dummy2:

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I'm sure Bessie Bradock and Barbara Castle are rolling in their graves when they look down/up at whats become of the Labour Party :D :D

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you mean after what blair did to them

new labour i cant belive its not tory

at least brown kept some form of control over the prick but by the time he got into power blair had done too much damage

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i predict another million on the dole by christmas..:( facts are facts in their manifesto they are going to cut sure start nmw civil servants every good thing that labour did.only god thing is they cant sell the new schools and hospitals off oh and zach ho ho if the tories werent back by murdoch and co they would have a field day..

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the torys may not be able to sell the new hospitals but they can neglect to fund them or equip them.

wont be long before were back to people dying in hospital corridoors on trollys waiting for a hospital bed

funding to the north will be cut first as it is well documented cameron hates the north

when the cuts start coming will be the time we will see what level of influence if any clegg and his party have in policy

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Mancie, Mancie, Mancie, If you look it is not a purely Tory government, to get what they want they have had to make concessions to the Lib/Dems to achieve their aim. That being the case Cameron & his crew aren't going to have free rein to do as they please because Clegg & his mates will constantly be looking over the Torys shoulder to see what they're upto.

Conservative - Liberal Democrat deal will be tough on the rich - Telegraph

As to staying in Germany, that was my intention ! I've had over 26 years here & have quite happily settled. I have no intention of returning to UK to stay until there has been a drastic turnaround in the Countries fortunes & administration, irrespective of which political party may be in power at that time. Mancie, I take no offense at your tirade but find that offensive comments & abuse are the last resort of the inarticulate Scoundrel :D

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inarticulate Scoundrel ! :D big words are the last resort of a Tory..sort yer mum out!

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And a very nice day to you too !! :foryou: :s_aim1:

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If you mix the colours blue and orangey yellow you get khaki, the Persian word for earthy or dusty, and from which we also get the babyish word for ploppies, ca-ca.

Let's hope we don't all end up in the ca-ca.

:D

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Actually no ! just someone who's had a reasonable level of education in normal schools & that under various Governments. :) Unlike yourself who probably attended a special School :D:D:D Do stop licking those windows there's a good Lad :D it makes them all smeary !

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Sorry mate just can't resist.. I'll lick the windows..and like I said.. sort yer Mum out lar..:D

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Gordon Brown was labour was he not?...he robbed me.....of pension money and then to add insult to injury he slapped me with a double tax bill.....(when the tax rate went up from 10p in the pound to 20p in the pound) is that looking after the poorer members of society? Because I don't think it is.
I am not Tory, I am not Labour, I am not Liberal/democrat.
I just want a party that will do the right thing.....not rob the tax payers and smile while they are doing it...and try to prevent us( the electorate) from finding out about the fraud that was going on with expenses.

We are in this unholy mess because Labour took the regulation of the banks away from the bank of England....and placed it in the hands of the toothless,ineffectual FSA.
The labour government knew 7 months before the doo-doo hit the fan that there were severe problems with the banking system...but did nothing(or at least, nothing that we are aware of).
The Labour government have made it an easy option for immigrants to come here and claim benefits that they have not earned.

Dear Gordon told Mrs Duffy that a million people left Britain each year to go to European countries.....maybe they did, but they went there with some financial plan of how to support themselves....they did not go overseas to claim benefits as soon as they got over the doorstep.
I am sick of hearing about families that come here and get large houses cars, and all the mod cons...funded by us.....the tax payer.
That is not to say that I want the genuinely vulnerable to be denied help.
We need a huge shake up of the welfare system......and claiming benefits should not be seen as a lifetime support/career option.

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Ok Margaret there will always be a few people claiming benefits that maybe shafting the system but that does not justify a wholesale reduction on benefits, and lets be clear there will be no increase for those you say are in need, the Tories will squeeze all incomes of the less well off.. ALL.
As far as immigrants coming here simply to claim benifits you are sick of hearing about families that get large houses,cars and all the mod cons... can I ask you how many immigrant families you know of personally that do this?.. that is apart from those reported in the Sun or Daily Mail?... I do not believe whole families travel half way across the world for the sake of a few quid.
The Tories make no distinction of where you come from or where you have been.. they will lower the living standards of the poor but maintain the standards of the wealthy..when they say we have to make sacrifices you can be sure it will not be the rich that pay.. that is certain.

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Our new chancellor attended a recent meeting in Dublin of the Bildeburgers.
He now has his instructions:rolleyes:

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Mancie, 5 years, I don't think so. Sit back and watch it unravel. We're not throwing any posters away by the way. We think they might be needed in the not to distant future.

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Ah Robert Owen speaks:D

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There are more than just a few people claiming benefits....there are whole communities where there are very few working families......Knowsley has an area that is benefits dependent......and Rochdale has areas that are maintained by the benefits system......as for your question on how many people do I know who are immigrants and claiming for a big house etc, etc.......well the answer is that I personally do not know any, but the fact that they exist......and they have been in more papers than just the Sun and the Daily Mail...is a travesty.

Take Asylum Seekers for instance.....if their lives are in danger then I agree that they should be given asylum in the first country they reach that will accommodate them....so how come they all want to move to the UK....the answer is the slack benefits system....they know they can come here and every need will be accounted for........without them having put a penny into the pot that pays them out......in fact, as an asylum seeker you cannot work or pay taxes until you have been given refugee status.
The english taxpayer is being milked dry...and it is time for someone to step up to the plate and shake up the system so that it supports those who need support, but not those who can work, but don't want to...because benefits are more lucrative.

Mancie, don't tell me that this doesn't make sense.
We have not got a bottomless pot of money some constraints have got to be applied.

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and who-ever is going to be in power for the next few years is going to have a very tough job.......so much for the no boom and bust situation that Gord promised.

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The Trilateral Commission This Weekend Dublin | Sovereign Independent

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Bilderberg hopes to keep the global recession going for at least a year, according to an international financial consultant who deals personally with many of them. This is because, among several reasons, Bilderberg still hopes to create a global “treasury department” under the United Nations.

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Oh no.. don't tell me.. he's going put the price of Guiness up :(

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Okay Mancie, what is your definition of Rich, earning £40k or more pa?
And therefore, what is your definition of less well off? Earning less than £15k pa maybe?

This whole taxation thing is not rocket science, if you tax people who earn more, you know the ones that run businesses they will simply leave the country, closing down their UK businesses in the process. Take James Dyson as a very good example here.
This of course causes unemployment.
No one, even you, likes paying tax, but most of the high earners are prepared to pay more income tax, however the minute you start with 50% upwards they will leave the country. This increases the tax burden on everyone else and so your tax will increase.

But what do I know I am Tory scouse scum

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He's thinking about your liver mate:D

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Perhaps he went to see some leprechauns about a dog, or ask them where their pots of gold where located, that would solve all our problems.

:D

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And these "top earners" leave the country?.. where do they go? some place where they don't pay tax?.. it's a myth,the top 70% of big business in the UK are not British, they move and shake ...not one of our "Top Earners" pay 50% tax.. what do you propose Boeing Guy..that there should be a decrease in tax for those earning over 40k?.. fair enough and that may happen.. what I say is the lower paid will pay for that.. it has always been the same with the Tories.. It's not just my way of thinking it is a fact.. and history shows it.

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But at least yer honest.:D

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If he is thinking about my Liver tell him to get some chalk and a bowl of string so he don't get lost.. I know you've got a hotline to George. :rolleyes:

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Mancie, just because you believe something doesn't make it fact....and it doesn't really matter whether the top folk in industry are british or not...the only thing that matters is that they are paying their taxes......and if they do take their businesses elsewhere(china perhaps) then yes we will have a problem with unemployment...and yes we will end up paying more tax to support the unemployed.

In the coming months (and years ) we are all going to have to get a grip on the grim reality that unless we (the country)have money to pay for something then it won't be there.
Look at where the shady dealings of the politicos in Greece have got that country...do you really want to head down the same road?

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Patagonia seems to be the in place for the filthy rich.
George Bush snr and 'your Liz' have both bought estates there
do you think they know something we don't?

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Would not want to go down the same road as Greece Margaret..(mind you they do have some blinding night clubs).. but then again we are not bankrupt..whatever the Mail says on Sunday or anyother day.

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No but give a few more years of Gordon and Alistair we would have ended up a Banana Republic:)

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You can do better than that Jaysay.. give us a report from the Daily Mail:D

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Always Cashy, which is more that can be said than any of those in Westminster.:Banane22:

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Since the concept of 'money' is worthless paper, no country can be bankrupt.
The 'value' of any nation is decided on how trustworthy they are.
Most countries fail miserably

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Haven't been on line yet, if there's anything interesting I'll let you know Mancie:D

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Well said Margaret.. sorted out my finances to a tee..ever thought of a job in economics?

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Anything interesting.. like Gordon Brown is a prick and such.. give us a break.

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that's common knowledge, published in many papers except the mirror and Guardian:p

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But Cameron is not a pillock in any papers.. yet we all know he is.. maybe it is time to get behind our Prime Minister and leader, but when it turns yer guts up to see his mug on the front pages saying he is the messiah, some people get peeded off.:rolleyes:

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Not me Mancie cancelled my papers ages ago, because I was sick of the one eye jock every day

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Mancie's only jealous, because we've got a brand shining new Labour M.P., and he's stuck with nasty li'l Liberal Democrat, Simon Hughes, who doesn't know if he's Arthur or Martha.

You should get out more.

If you campaign hard enough you too might have a Labour M.P. in five years.

;)

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Oh dear....Mancie is not a happy bunny. Anyway - don't worry too much Mancie - in five years it will all be over.

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Nice to see you take an interest in our Local politics Garinda.. but there has not been an alternative in Bermondsey since the early 80's.. but the Tories only get 14% of the vote.. proud to say we are a Tory free community,

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Cameron & Clegg are in, Brown is out ! it's as simple as, no amount of backbiting between followers of whatever party is going to change facts ! Each party has its strengths & weaknesses, the reason Labour came in for such a slating is that it was on their watch (for the last 13 years) that the Countries fortunes have been so sorely abused & the fact that Brown assumed the mantle of leader undemocratically.

Now lets see what C&C can do, & should they be as ineffective I wil gladly vent my spleen on their performance too, as I've previously stated I'm not one for politics, they're all as bad as each other & I'd quite happily string half of them up for what they've done to the UK. My concern & care is about my Country & her people, irrespective of leaning, tendencies, creed or colour. This is the Land of my Birth they're debasing & it has got to stop.

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Eh? What's the difference now between the Tories & Lib-Dems? Other than name, nowt.

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You'll be able to tell them apart in the commons Tealeaf, the Tories will wear blue ties the Lib/dems orange with a blue stripe:D

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I was living in London, so of course took an interest when your current M.P., in the nastiest by-election of the twentieth century, managed to swing the vote from a Labour majority, to the Liberals, with a massive 44.2% swing.

He's still your M.P. You must be very proud.

Tory free zone?

They polled 7,638, or 17%, last week in Bermondsey and Old Southwark.

Like I said you need to get out more, campaiging for Labour in your manor.

Don't you worry about us, we're sorted.

;)

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as was John Major! can ya remember the press slating him fer being n undemocraticly elected leader?:rolleyes:

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Maybe theres a job for Garinda, making a new coalition neck tie.....I suppose blue with yellow polka dots?

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But he soon became one, unlike Sunny Jim who never did win a vote and cocked up bigtime:D

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and a Bikini for the girls :D

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It's been a no Tory area well before Simon Hughes.. which is more than can be said of Hyndburn..the Tories had an MP in Accrington- Ossie in the 80's...to be honest I keep it stum in my part of the woods.. I'm ashamed!

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Sorry, mate, but your red blinkers have blinded you there. Ken Hargeaves was an outstanding local MP who genuinely cared for his constituents and would go the extra mile to help them...and I speak from experience!

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Yeah, I bet all those that live in these million quid flats in your manor, vote Communist.


3 bedroom flat for sale Pump House Close, London, SE16 - Globrix property

;)

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Well less than 24 Hrs in office, n i presumed that many tory voters believed Camerons way out of the recession, was cut the deficit quickly is the way? well suprise,suprise, old "Hug A Hoodys" lot NOW aint so sure.:rolleyes: whilst they have said 6 billion will be cut off this year,on tonights news they say yes they will..........BUT this may not work - err it depends on the "Global Economy":eek: funny how that was never said to yas when canvassing?:rolleyes: also funny,how no-one from the media pounced on this? errr no its not cos it was the wrong party.:rolleyes: i have no idea if Tory or Labours way is the best? all i know is who i prefer to believe! i just hope camerons way is right, or were in even more crap, n if he aint correct he's conned you torys.:D

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What does appear to be a particularly nasty act by this coalition government are the constitutional changes they are setting in motion already. Firstly, there is the idea of a fixed term parliament of 5 years. I've no problem with that, although it was to my knowledge not in the Tory or Lib Manifestos. But what happens if there is a vote of no confidence in the regime - if a bunch of Lib backbenchers revolt and combine with Labour and the Nats. Usually, just one majority vote would be enough to cause an election (as happened in 1979).

Not now, though - this lot are proposing that a vote of no-confidence has to be won with a 55% majority, which more or less makes it impossible to win under the current party arithmetic. This is unjust, undemocratic and immoral. I suspect we'll hear alot more about this over the next few weeks and months.

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well be honest did expect fair play?:confused:

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No...politics is a dirty business. That's why nice guys like you, Wynonnie and me keep well away.

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I am sure I heard the Liberal democrat who brokered some of the deals between the two parties say that the country would get a referendum on Electoral reform.

Now I guess that would make a difference.....unless of course they couched the questions so that the responses could be interpreted anywhich way e.g.Do you want Electoral Reform?....and not specify what the electoral reform consisted of.
Being of a very cynical bent I wouldn't put it past them(the politicos).

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thinking about this- it means i'm in n i'm staying in? on that basis would it then mean? (put in laymans terms) Clegg has got Cameron by the Short n Curlys Big time?:D

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You are right of course. What you are saying will probably happen in much less than five years ... or five months. But don't expect to get any credit for being right;):D And don't forget that it will be Brown and Labour that will get the blame for the soon-to-come "austerity measures."

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And quite rightly so:D

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I have heard today that working tax credits will be abolished.
That will hurt many people on low wages.
Has anyone read of the same, or maybe it is just a rumour, hopefully

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Indeed; we wouldn't want any bankers, for example, to be tainted by responsibility for the UK being an economic basket case:rolleyes::D

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Aint seen that Margaret, but the fact that they have reduced M.P.s salarys by 5% today, means quite simply we will all get severly crucified very shortly. thats a knocking bet.:rolleyes:

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I have read that the vast majority of tory MPs have a background in banking, accountancy, stock market dealing etc.

Now we know where all those miserable sods have ended up

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The new ConDem number 10 charter: "Where there is harmony may we bring discord. Where there is truth may we bring error. Where there is faith may we bring doubt, And where there is hope may we bring despair."

"A new day has dawn has it not?

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OK, so it takes a 55% majority to shift the government. The way I understand it is, the Tories have 47% of the seats in Parliament. So, even if the coalition falls to bits, the combined opposition parties, including the Lib/Dems could only muster up 53% between 'em. So basically the Tories can rule as a minority government for the next 5 years and there's not a thing anyone can do about it. If I've got that right, it's a disgrace and an affront to democracy. How the hell could the Lib/Dems sign up to it? :confused:

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easy theve never had power in our lifetime so would be easy fer em to sign.:rolleyes:

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Well, when the coalition breaks up, as it will, can see this being the most unpopular government for a long time.

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The Tories never cease to amaze me as to what lengths they will go to to retain power.

I have said on several occasions that if the Tories could change the constitution of Hyndburn Council so that they were the only party who could ever be in control they would. This 55% majority to ovethrow them just shows that they intend changing the unwritten constitution of this country.

Do they really want the streets of our cities to have the scenes like those in Greece - but they have their heads stuck so far up their backsides that they probably don't think anyone will dare to question the party that they consider was born to rule.

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With all respect Claytonender, the Labour government had 13 years to put things right and they didn't......they presided over the most sleaziest of administrations and let the country get into a sordid financial mess....and don't tell me that it was a global thing.
Every person who manages a budget tries to keep something in reserve for a 'rainy day'.......Gordon Brown sold off our 'Rainy day' money while the sun was still shining.
While I am not a supporter of a tory government......the electorate has spoken...and in short what they have said is that they really don't trust any party to govern.

Your posts just make you sound like a sore Labour loser.......not a bit graceful in defeat.

I'm sure your party were not expecting to retain power for another term....and in truth you did far better than many expected......you didn't come third like the polls suggested.
Would you have preferred to be in coalition with the Lib dems....and then be held to ransom by the Irish, scottish and Welsh MP's? They would have taken us for every penny, leaving the English people out there with a begging bowl...taking whatever scraps were left over.

The electorate made their views clear...now politicians should wake up and listen...but somehow I really doubt that they will.

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[quote=claytonender;814707]The (INSERT PARTY OF CHOICE) never cease to amaze me as to what lengths they will go to to retain power.

This 55% majority to ovethrow them just shows that they intend changing the unwritten constitution of this country. /quote]

Obviously you're referring to this unwritten constitution !

The British Constitution can be found in a variety of documents. Supporters of our constitution believe that the current way allows for flexibility and change to occur without too many problems. Those who want a written constitution believe that it should be codified so that the public as a whole has access to it – as opposed to just constitutional experts who know where to look and how to interpret it.

As stated elsewhere they're all as bad as each other !

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and while I am on about it....am I wrong, or was there much cosying up to Nick Clegg by Gordon Brown...with the intention of retaining power?
'Promise him anything Gord...just keep us lot in No 10'

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Didn't Cameron decry Brown for planning the increase in NI and say that wont happen under his Government?....Yet he's still bringing in the 1% NI increase for Employee's and has only stopped the increase for Employer's....we can see which way his dice is loaded!

Be interesting to see how long it takes for the £10,000 start point for paying tax to be brought in too?

Best Regards - Taggy

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Fer me that was "Much ado about nowt" just the usual tripe from media.

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Let's face it, the likes of Mandelson, Balls, Campbell, Harman would do anything to stay in power. The way I read the situation, though, is that a few Labour politicos like John Reid and David Blunkett showed a modicum of integrity and others at the grassroots agreed. It's probably turned out for the best for them because, sure as hell, the Tories have accepted a poisoned chalice here.

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think yer wrong about campbell at least, even though hes a dingle, hes one cute cookie.;) my reckoning is Cameron won - no majority, Clegg said i'm talking to Tories first as they won! Brown had the sense to hang back n say carry on its only right they talk first, we talk after if clegg wishes, the bottom line is- if no deal Cameron minority= good fer labour! if there was a deal - Even better fer Labour, in the long run, cos this coilition can only benefit labour or i'm a dutchman.:)

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Good morning Vanercashman:D

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The next five years ?...By joining with the Lib/Dems, Cameron has brought the Tories from right wing reactionaries (in spite of Eton lot and the toff brigade) to centre left at a stroke thus elbowing 'New Labour' out of that role as they grapple with their leadership issue. The Tories are not by nature a progressive, all encompassing party so the diehards will drag them back to the right as the coalition breaks down.
We all know we're getting coshed for the next two or three years, right ? So what then ? I'll give it twelve months, at best, before the cracks begin to appear in this 'progressive' alliance. If I'm wrong and by a miracle this coalition goes the full five years, Cameron can't lose. If things come good in time for the next election, which would be May 2015, Cameron takes the credit - Tories win election. If things don't recover Cameron blames Lib/Dems and its a two horse contest between Tories and Labour, by then rejuvenated with a new leader. Either way Lib/Dems lose out and disappear for another seventy years whilst we, joe public, (it goes without saying).. get shafted :(

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I may be wrong but I think that when Harold Wilsons slogan The Pound In YOUR Pocket was changed by Gordon Brown to Your Pound In MY my pocket that was the beginning of the end.:D:D

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Was that the pound that Harold devalued Beni:rolleyes:

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Ok ... I'm a tad confused by this 55% thingy (been watching the amazing run of the Montreal Canadiens:theband:) ... anyway, does this mean that the government can't be turfed even if they lose a vote of no confidence, or their budget is defeated:confused: .... even by one vote.

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yep thats the way i see it.:(

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dictatorship:eek:

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Aint it funny how Cameron was against fixed term Parliament's....untill he got in No 10!...a real honest Joe...is our Dave! :rolleyes:

Best Regards - Taggy

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It's strange how a party that call themselves "Liberal Democrats" could have the bare faced cheek to sign up for a system that does not allow the electorate the right to vote out a Government... it could only happen in Britain..or Burma..or North Korea. :rolleyes:

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Not like me to be a pessimist :D but someone had to put this vid on.. just could not resist ;) Five Years
YouTube - David Bowie - Five Years Live 1972

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On a more sombre note a vid of David Cameron and Nick Clegg.. Golden Years :D (well the next five!) :D
YouTube - Golden Years "Elvis Presley and David Bowie"

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Bear in mind that there are many ways to fiddle the figures.

A 5% reduction in MPs' salaries would show up in pay statistics but an increase in allowances wouldn't unless it was looked into closely. Mind you, they have to live in London for 75% of the time so I'll cut them a little slack.

Much as I would like to believe that there is a ruthless war on waste going on in Westminster, part of me remains cynical.

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Sure doesn't sound democratic to me. I always thought that if the government lost a motion of confidence, had it's budget voted down, or was defeated on any "money" bill, even by one vote then the government has to go to the people in another General Election ... even by one vote. I realise that another election hard on the heels of one that elected a minority government would be unpopular, but that's not the point. The opposition over here knows that Canadians don't want another elecction; so, they don't use their power to get rid of the tories. But that's not the point either. Manipulating percentages in order to transform a minority into a majority is pure, unadulterated bs.

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Even riots in the streets wouldn't work now, because the police have some seriously powerful gadgets to disperse crowds.

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Or America :D

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Its all about facing facts ! Things happen we don't like & disagree with but as sensible adults ? We've got to live with it, or not as the case maybe; eh Mancie ! If everybody threw their toys out of the pram when things don't go their way we'd be in a right old pickle, we just have to accept that !

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thats 5000 nhs jobs gone in scotland .wheres next ???????:confused:

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Are you referring to these cuts ?

New health service fears as job cuts set to rise far beyond 5,000 - Herald Scotland | News | Health

If so were is the relevance to England ? It's the Scottish Parliament that are pursuing these changes, they've been in charge of their own affairs since July 1999 & are not influenced by events in England. The SNP hold sway in Scotland & it is their internal wrangling that are leading to this situation. I'm sorry, but I just can't see the reasoning of how this can be tagged onto the next 5 years of Englands Government.

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Just so we're 100% sure !

Up to 5,000 Scottish NHS jobs face axe - Telegraph

Thanks to the Barnett formula, this will result in more money for Scotland, with SNP ministers deciding how this is spent.

This being the most important line.

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Dave, didn't you know, it's all Maggies fault