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lancsdave 11-06-2010 12:34

Lancashire County Council Flag Ban
 
It had to happen didn't it. Who the hell decides to employ these people :mad:

England flag ban for Lancashire council workers (From Lancashire Telegraph)

cashman 11-06-2010 12:49

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Another jobsworth this Carol Mills, should be kicked into touch P.D.Q. n advertise the job fer someone who aint devoid of common sense.:(

flashy 11-06-2010 13:10

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its a darn good job i don't come under L.C.C, i thought BwD was bad enough

my brother works for L.C.C, he has an England sticker in his cab, they'd have to sack him before he'd remove it

Wynonie Harris 11-06-2010 13:18

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Carol Mills, director of human resources at LCC, said: "We have told our staff that they cannot fly flags on county council-branded vehicles.

"As a council, our first priority is to deliver high-quality services and our vehicles should reflect this at all times.


So how come so many other organisations and companies can still "deliver high-quality services" while allowing their staff to show their support for their national team? Yet another addle-brained, overpaid, petty bureaucrat hiding behind meaningless officialspeak. Never mind, it's a Tory-controlled council and Tories are always telling us what fine, upstanding patriots they are, so doubtless they'll put a stop to this nonsense. :rolleyes:

flashy 11-06-2010 13:20

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maybe she's married to a foreigner

Wynonie Harris 11-06-2010 13:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 821775)
maybe she's married to a foreigner

Yep, that'd explain it! ;)

cashman 11-06-2010 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 821777)
Yep, that'd explain it! ;)

or she could be the leader of "Lesbian Weightlifters Human Rights":rolleyes:

DaveinGermany 11-06-2010 13:55

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Aye , saw it this morning but it said over at Preston. :(

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: World Cup 2010: Fans barred from flying the St George's flag

flashy 11-06-2010 14:39

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thats where all L.C.C things are based...County Hall in Preston

MargaretR 11-06-2010 14:49

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I suppose there is a small risk that a bent flag outside the vehicle could 'put the eye out' of a pedestrian
Remember that joke about 'van arial disease':D

...but a sticker on the inside is no risk unless it obscures the driver's view.

When it comes to the crunch it is their vehicle and you drive it by their rules

Wynonie Harris 11-06-2010 14:54

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Story's in the Independent...

Row over 'flag ban' on council vehicles - Home News, UK - The Independent

The quote from the "executive director" is puzzling...

The only exception to this is that we've requested that staff not display flags on county council-branded vehicles. We've asked staff to make this compromise in the interest of making sure our residents know we put services to them first."

Why should putting an England flag on their vehicles mean they don't put services to their residents first? :confused:

shillelagh 11-06-2010 15:31

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theyve just been talking about this on radio lancs .. and they've had a boss on from lancashire county council .. and he says no one has said that theyre not allowed to fly flags .. he says everyone should just enjoy it ..

hedman2003 11-06-2010 17:44

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I can only speak for the Team were I'm based in County Hall but our floor is a sea of bunting, flags , footy shirts etc all brought in by the employees and also a lot of colleagues today "dressed down" in their football shirts. Managers have been supportive of the decorations etc which has helped to raise staff morale. Clearly the number one priority must always be to serve the public and perhaps we shouldn't believe everything we read in the press!!!!!

mattylad 11-06-2010 22:34

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Perhaps we should be using the complaint form on the website.

A few thousand complaints from the people they supposedly serve may make em change their minds.

garinda 11-06-2010 22:55

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"I would like to spread the word about Lancashire County Council’s talent and achievements. We often don't share our good work - we are not very good at talking to others about our innovations", Carol said.
News : Homecoming for Lancashire's new HR director

Well, well done Carol.

You've certainly earned your very well paid salary today, and have let the whole world know about the 'innovations' promoted in Lancashire.

I look forward to the word spreading about the effects the coming savage cuts might have, and which will mean you are hopefully no longer employed by us.

garinda 11-06-2010 23:08

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http://lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/w...l.asp?id=21988

'Carol Mills...is also an experienced alternative/holistic therapist.'

Student Services

Looks a bit like that other head the ball, charitable and spiritual whore, Heather Mills.

Perhaps they're sisters.

suedarbo 11-06-2010 23:14

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This story inspired me to go out and buy 2 England flags and stick them on my car.
Carol Mills can like it or lump it:D

garinda 11-06-2010 23:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suedarbo (Post 821867)
This story inspired me to go out and buy 2 England flags and stick them on my car.
Carol Mills can like it or lump it:D

It inspired me to buy two flags, and stick 'em up Carol Mills.

:D

Tealeaf 11-06-2010 23:22

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Good link, Rindy...there are three characters on there all with fancy titles and no doubt salaries of 100K+ and you wonder should each of them get the chop tomorrow what difference it would make to service delivery by LCC? My guess is absolutely nowt.

garinda 11-06-2010 23:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 821873)
Good link, Rindy...there are three characters on there all with fancy titles and no doubt salaries of 100K+ and you wonder should each of them get the chop tomorrow what difference it would make to service delivery by LCC? My guess is absolutely nowt.


'...workers earning less than £20,000 a year among the hardest hit, compared to 3,150 who are in line for an increase.'
Thousands of losers and winners in Lancashire County Council pay review (From Lancashire Telegraph)

You're presuming Ms. Mills won't be affected then?

:rolleyes:

cashman 11-06-2010 23:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 821878)
'...workers earning less than £20,000 a year among the hardest hit, compared to 3,150 who are in line for an increase.'
Thousands of losers and winners in Lancashire County Council pay review (From Lancashire Telegraph)

You're presuming Ms. Mills won't be affected then?

:rolleyes:

well i better not call her a stupid moneygrabbing slut then,or she may sue me.:D

Tealeaf 11-06-2010 23:55

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Same old story...the poor sods at the bottom are the ones who get shafted while the paper pushers with fancy titles at the top reap the payroll savings by way of bonuses. In fact, it would be no surprise to see that turncoat who has just been made the mayor of that local authority (of which we are all familiar) pop up on here with a new title. He does like to give himself grandiose names.

shillelagh 11-06-2010 23:57

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:)
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 821872)
It inspired me to buy two flags, and stick 'em up Carol Mills.

:D


buy the sun tomorrow well later on today ..you get one free with the paper .. well according to the adverts anyway .. :D:D:D

garinda 12-06-2010 00:00

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'Carol Mills is Director of Human Resources at Lancashire County Council, who are one of the largest local government employers in the Country. Carol believes that the key to a healthy workforce is to empower employees to do something for themselves and as a progressive employer, the Council recognises that if they don’t look after their staff - their staff won’t look after their customers.'


Unless by 'empowering' them, it means they can stick a flag on their van.

garinda 12-06-2010 00:02

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When considering the best approach to Well Being, Carol’s advice includes:[*]
LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING DONE ELSEWHERE - and learn about the things that can go wrong

http://publicsectorhrpodcast.co.uk/2...ou-do-it-well/

I think it might be time to take a bit of your own advice love.

;)

Ken Moss 12-06-2010 08:48

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This has just prompted me to re-read my thread earlier this year about St George's Day.

Hands up, who said I was wrong about people being made to take England flags down because they might offend people?

It's political correctness gone MAD.......

jaysay 12-06-2010 09:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 821777)
Yep, that'd explain it! ;)

Nice one Wyn:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 12-06-2010 09:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 821926)
This has just prompted me to re-read my thread earlier this year about St George's Day.

Hands up, who said I was wrong about people being made to take England flags down because they might offend people?

It's political correctness gone MAD.......

No, what you said, Ken, was that any effort to celebrate St George's Day was suppressed by the authorities. Are you seriously telling us that because one one instance of stupidity by a local authority (and I've no doubt you'll find some other isolated instances in your favourite paper, "The Daily Mail"), there is some sort of wholesale PC-inspired clampdown going on?

Have you not noticed? The whole country is awash with red-and-white? Hardly the sign of a proud nation cowed into silence by the heavy hand of authority. :rolleyes:

jaysay 12-06-2010 09:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 821879)
well i better not call her a stupid moneygrabbing slut then,or she may sue me.:D

Don't stop you thnking it though cashy:D

jaysay 12-06-2010 09:16

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Don't think there's much chance of this lady (for want of a better word) going down the pub tonight with her England shirt on and draped in the cross fo saint George then;):rolleyes::D

Ken Moss 12-06-2010 09:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 821939)
No, what you said, Ken, was that any effort to celebrate St George's Day was suppressed by the authorities. Are you seriously telling us that because one one instance of stupidity by a local authority (and I've no doubt you'll find some other isolated instances in your favourite paper, "The Daily Mail"), there is some sort of wholesale PC-inspired clampdown going on?

Have you not noticed? The whole country is awash with red-and-white? Hardly the sign of a proud nation cowed into silence by the heavy hand of authority. :rolleyes:

Hook, line and sinker. I had a private bet going on that you'd be the first to reply and you didn't disappoint!

I've never read The Daily Mail or any other national paper but it's a prime example of an authority suppressing English pride on some spurious ground that it will offend someone, this time by looking unprofessional.

Rishton Towers (and indeed this particular councillor) will be decked out in red and white for today's match and I can't think of a single decent reason why anyone anywhere should be made to hide their national identity during this period.

BERNADETTE 12-06-2010 09:22

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But it's a non story Ken as proved by the post from the member who works for LCC, flying the flag hasn't been banned as the story suggested

garinda 12-06-2010 09:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 821943)
Hook, line and sinker. I had a private bet going on that you'd be the first to reply and you didn't disappoint!

I've never read The Daily Mail or any other national paper but it's a prime example of an authority suppressing English pride on some spurious ground that it will offend someone, this time by looking unprofessional.

Rishton Towers (and indeed this particular councillor) will be decked out in red and white for today's match and I can't think of a single decent reason why anyone anywhere should be made to hide their national identity during this period.

But it isn't authority, it's just one silly, over paid madam, sat in County Hall, who no doubt will have her arse booted for bringing so much bad publicity for the county, and will be forced to issue some grovelling apology.

Ken Moss 12-06-2010 09:27

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Perhaps I should have said 'attempting' to suppress it.

Either way, there's nothing like a national event to bring these people out of the woodwork.

Bless her heart.

garinda 12-06-2010 09:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 821944)
But it's a non story Ken as proved by the post from the member who works for LCC, flying the flag hasn't been banned as the story suggested

Up to press flags are banned from being flown on LCC vehicles.

Council’s ban on England flags - News - lep.co.uk

garinda 12-06-2010 09:37

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“We are excellent at managing people... We recognise that people are our best resource,” says Carol Mills, the PPMA national lead on wellbeing.
Has local government a future? - Times Online

Yeah, really excellent Carol love.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

jaysay 12-06-2010 09:58

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Just told my daughter about this woman, can't really print what she said on a family web site but the last two words were silly bitch:D

garinda 12-06-2010 10:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 821961)
but the last two words were silly bitch:D

Whatever happened to 'Bye Dad'?

Wynonie Harris 12-06-2010 10:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 821943)
Hook, line and sinker. I had a private bet going on that you'd be the first to reply and you didn't disappoint!

I've never read The Daily Mail or any other national paper but it's a prime example of an authority suppressing English pride on some spurious ground that it will offend someone, this time by looking unprofessional.

Rishton Towers (and indeed this particular councillor) will be decked out in red and white for today's match and I can't think of a single decent reason why anyone anywhere should be made to hide their national identity during this period.

It's a prime example of a bureaucrat acting stupidly...and an isolated example. The picture you paint of a wholesale crackdown by the powers-that-be on any show of national pride is somewhat inaccurate...you only have to take a walk round the streets to see that!

Incidentally, was there any dosh riding on this private bet you had? If so, you can buy me a pint when we eventually bump into each other! ;)

Ken Moss 12-06-2010 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 821968)
It's a prime example of a bureaucrat acting stupidly...and an isolated example. The picture you paint of a wholesale crackdown by the powers-that-be on any show of national pride is somewhat inaccurate...you only have to take a walk round the streets to see that!

Incidentally, was there any dosh riding on this private bet you had? If so, you can buy me a pint when we eventually bump into each other! ;)

Regrettably not, Steve. It was just a whim of the thinking engine as I downed my Earl Grey this morning. When it happens, mine's a pint of the best ale available!

In all seriousness, it warms my heart to see so many flags out for a national event such as this and even though I am not a football fan myself I'll be happily going with the flow for however long it lasts.

Any miserable killjoys that see a downside to waving your country's flag should be made to eat cold tripe.

garinda 12-06-2010 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 821968)
Incidentally, was there any dosh riding on this private bet you had? If so, you can buy me a pint when we eventually bump into each other! ;)

How will you know which one's Ken?

http://www.bloodybrilliantblog.com/W...et%20voila.jpg

:D

Ken Moss 12-06-2010 10:24

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I'll be the one with the cross on top of my dome.

None of that hair stuff for me, reduces the aerodynamics considerably.

garinda 12-06-2010 10:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 821975)
I'll be the one with the cross on top of my dome.

None of that hair stuff for me, reduces the aerodynamics considerably.

Like this Tunisian fan, you should be happy, and take advantage of having a bigger canvas to work with.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...siaface416.jpg

:D

jaysay 12-06-2010 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 821964)
Whatever happened to 'Bye Dad'?

She's still here:D

jaysay 12-06-2010 10:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 821975)
I'll be the one with the cross on top of my dome.

None of that hair stuff for me, reduces the aerodynamics considerably.

I can confirm your a egghead Ken:D

Wynonie Harris 12-06-2010 10:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 821971)
Any miserable killjoys that see a downside to waving your country's flag should be made to eat cold tripe.

How else would you eat it? Pepper and vinegar and some bread and butter...nice! However I agree with your general sentiment.

As for you not being a football fan, I'll be getting back to you on that one in a few weeks, when I start my annual recruitment drive! ;)

Ken Moss 12-06-2010 10:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 821984)
How else would you eat it? Pepper and vinegar and some bread and butter...nice! However I agree with your general sentiment.

As for you not being a football fan, I'll be getting back to you on that one in a few weeks, when I start my annual recruitment drive! ;)

I'm afraid I'll probably be voting the other way. Sport as a whole doesn't really interest me although I'm quite partial to an afternoon's cricket when I can find the time.

The flags and bunting are up at Rishton Towers today though, cheering on our brave boys!

BERNADETTE 12-06-2010 12:41

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Our residents lounge is decked out with flags, we have a new wide screen tv and the beers are cooling in the fridges ready for kick off. What more could you want?:D

jaysay 12-06-2010 13:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 821993)
Our residents lounge is decked out with flags, we have a new wide screen tv and the beers are cooling in the fridges ready for kick off. What more could you want?:D

Sounds pretty nice down Clayton Bernie;)

Sara 12-06-2010 15:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 821944)
But it's a non story Ken as proved by the post from the member who works for LCC, flying the flag hasn't been banned as the story suggested

It's a true story Bernadette, i work forr LCC and we can't put anything up.

Less 12-06-2010 15:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sara (Post 822013)
It's a true story Bernadette, i work forr LCC and we can't put anything up.

I bet you can, what is this silly cow going to do? Sack the lot of you or shut up and take a bit of sick leave until it dies down?

My bet is a stress therapy touch of a week off, (if England last that long),

Then, when she comes back, bring her yearly, 'Investors in people', review to an earlier date and explain how to her, a happy staff is a happy staff, YOUR SACKED!

garinda 12-06-2010 17:24

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'Dinner ladies who patrol school playgrounds and dining rooms have been told they will no longer get a free school lunch or school holiday pay.'

'Carol Mills, director of human resources at County Hall, said: "As part of the equal pay review, new terms and conditions will be introduced for all our staff.'

No more dinners for dinner ladies - News - lep.co.uk

I bet she's a hoot at parties.

jaysay 13-06-2010 09:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822026)
'Dinner ladies who patrol school playgrounds and dining rooms have been told they will no longer get a free school lunch or school holiday pay.'

'Carol Mills, director of human resources at County Hall, said: "As part of the equal pay review, new terms and conditions will be introduced for all our staff.'

No more dinners for dinner ladies - News - lep.co.uk

I bet she's a hoot at parties.

I bet she lives in Cheshire:rolleyes:

garinda 13-06-2010 09:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 822089)
I bet she lives in Cheshire:rolleyes:

I see her more in Lytham St. Annes, since she's Blackpool born, chatting over the fence, with your friend Karen Buckley.

;)

Gayle 13-06-2010 11:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822026)
'Dinner ladies who patrol school playgrounds and dining rooms have been told they will no longer get a free school lunch or school holiday pay.'

'Carol Mills, director of human resources at County Hall, said: "As part of the equal pay review, new terms and conditions will be introduced for all our staff.'

No more dinners for dinner ladies - News - lep.co.uk

I bet she's a hoot at parties.

Whilst I agree that it does sound mean - it could possibly save another job from being axed. Budgets are being cut in councils up and down the country and the free stuff has to be paid for somewhere along the line.

garinda 13-06-2010 12:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822120)
Whilst I agree that it does sound mean - it could possibly save another job from being axed. Budgets are being cut in councils up and down the country and the free stuff has to be paid for somewhere along the line.

I agree. That policy decision probably won't have been her's.

Although you do build a mental picture up of Ms. Mills.

'You are no longer able to eat that left over cabbage ladies, and you can take those bleedin' flags off the dinner trolley'.

The decision about not being able to display flags, is down to her.

(Good job you're not out canvassing at the moment, by the way.)

:D

Gayle 13-06-2010 12:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822121)

(Good job you're not out canvassing at the moment, by the way.)

:D

Why? :confused:

garinda 13-06-2010 12:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822122)
Why? :confused:

Er...because when you stood against Britcliffe you posted that you didn't canvass any houses displaying the Cross of St. George, because they were likely to be nationalists.

We had a bit of a debate about he issue. Myself disagreeing with you.

Didn't really want to ignite old arguments. Just thought you'd get my gentle reminder.

:p

madmal_1 13-06-2010 15:52

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you can fly the flag whenever you want it is not elegal they havent passed a low to say its elegal i will be flying mine after the football the car belongs to me i bought it nobody eles oh and car mirrors are more danderouse:D

madmal_1 13-06-2010 15:58

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you can fly the flag whenever you want it is not elegal they havent passed a low to say its elegal i will be flying mine after the football the car belongs to me i bought it nobody eles oh and car mirrors are more danderouse:D

madmal_1 13-06-2010 16:00

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oh to hell with it lets ban everything lol

Gayle 13-06-2010 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822123)
Er...because when you stood against Britcliffe you posted that you didn't canvass any houses displaying the Cross of St. George, because they were likely to be nationalists.

We had a bit of a debate about he issue. Myself disagreeing with you.

Didn't really want to ignite old arguments. Just thought you'd get my gentle reminder.

:p

Lol, I have the cross of St George flying on my car and house at this very minute. Although I think my point was about the Union Jack. :p

I remember saying that and I do stand by it - but I do think it's a different situation during the World Cup when everyone reclaims the flag from the racists thugs who have abused it for their own use.

Tealeaf 13-06-2010 17:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822166)
Lol, I have the cross of St George flying on my car and house at this very minute. Although I think my point was about the Union Jack. :p

I remember saying that and I do stand by it - but I do think it's a different situation during the World Cup when everyone reclaims the flag from the racists thugs who have abused it for their own use.

But why should it only be during the football world cup that it is deemed acceptable to hang and fly the Cross of St George? This is no more than politically correct nonsense.

We know that over in the USA - for all it's faults - people fly their flag and wear their lapel badges every day throughout the year. It would seem to me a good idea that every English town hall, school, municiple building, church, chapel and mosque should have a statutory obligation to fly the St George flag round the clock, failure to do so resulting in the most punitive of penalties.

Gayle 13-06-2010 17:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 822179)
But why should it only be during the football world cup that it is deemed acceptable to hang and fly the Cross of St George? This is no more than politically correct nonsense.

We know that over in the USA - for all it's faults - people fly their flag and wear their lapel badges every day throughout the year. It would seem to me a good idea that every English town hall, school, municiple building, church, chapel and mosque should have a statutory obligation to fly the St George flag round the clock, failure to do so resulting in the most punitive of penalties.

A bit worrying when this happens - but I agree with you. :D

Why should it just be during the World Cup? Unfortunately a certain group of people took the Union Jack and abused for their own racist purposes to the point where regular, normal, patriotic people got too scared to display the Union Jack for fear of looking as though they belonged to a racist sect.

cashman 13-06-2010 20:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822181)
A bit worrying when this happens - but I agree with you. :D

Why should it just be during the World Cup? Unfortunately a certain group of people took the Union Jack and abused for their own racist purposes to the point where regular, normal, patriotic people got too scared to display the Union Jack for fear of looking as though they belonged to a racist sect.

I also agree it should be acceptable to fly the flag anytime if one so wishes, i disagree that normal patriotic people got too scared to display union jack in fear of looking racists, personally i think more stopped displaying it, through "Knobheads" in positions of authority, callin em racist.

Eric 14-06-2010 00:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 822179)
But why should it only be during the football world cup that it is deemed acceptable to hang and fly the Cross of St George? This is no more than politically correct nonsense.

We know that over in the USA - for all it's faults - people fly their flag and wear their lapel badges every day throughout the year. It would seem to me a good idea that every English town hall, school, municiple building, church, chapel and mosque should have a statutory obligation to fly the St George flag round the clock, failure to do so resulting in the most punitive of penalties.

Hey, do I read this right? Government buildings and schools don't have to fly your flag? Every town or city hall, school, municipal building etc. in Canada has to fly the Maple Leaf. And lots of homeowners fly the flag year round; and on Canada Day, just about everyone has a flag: on their house, car, hat, shirt, boat, bike, tatooed on their asses .... everywhere.

garinda 14-06-2010 00:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 822238)
Hey, do I read this right? Government buildings and schools don't have to fly your flag? Every town or city hall, school, municipal building etc. in Canada has to fly the Maple Leaf. And lots of homeowners fly the flag year round; and on Canada Day, just about everyone has a flag: on their house, car, hat, shirt, boat, bike, tatooed on their asses .... everywhere.

You want a laugh?

Read this thread from the last time the World Cup was on, when the venue for an Accy Web meet was suspected of being a hot bed of neo-nazism, because they displayed a Union flag inside.

Sadly it was also the year when Gayle didn't campaign at houses displaying the same Union Jack flag, as stated in the thread, fearing those places too would be inhabited by fascists.

She lost, and so did democracy, if people still think of the national flag as being a symbol of far-right extremism.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nue-31787.html

Less 14-06-2010 06:38

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822181)
A bit worrying when this happens - but I agree with you. :D

Why should it just be during the World Cup? Unfortunately a certain group of people took the Union Jack and abused for their own racist purposes to the point where regular, normal, patriotic people got too scared to display the Union Jack for fear of looking as though they belonged to a racist sect.

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Eric=Hey, do I read this right? Government buildings and schools don't have to fly your flag? Every town or city hall, school, municipal building etc. in Canada has to fly the Maple Leaf. And lots of homeowners fly the flag year round; and on Canada Day, just about everyone has a flag: on their house, car, hat, shirt, boat, bike, tatooed on their asses .... everywhere.
Perhaps it's time that we, the majority re-claimed our National flags? Both the Union Flag and the England Flag have been mis-represented for far too long.

If instead of little Hitlers being allowed to ban them from being flown, we follow the example of the obvious National Pride displayed by Eric & his fellow Canadians and flew the flags from just about every building across the land, the minorities that would use them for foul means would be forced away from disgracing these symbols of pride and design a rag of their own for others to spit on?
:rolleyes:

garinda 14-06-2010 08:16

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In the seventies you did see the National Front marching with the Union flag.

However, if you ask most people today about the national flag being ambushed, and used for self promotion, Gerri Halliwell's dress at the Brits in 1997, and the whole Cool Britannia thing, such as Liam Gallagher and Patsy Kensit, draped in said flag on the cover of Vanity Fair in the same year, comes up more than any association with any far-right extremists, except in the eyes of wooly liberals, who are too keen to see offence, when there isn't any.

Gayle 14-06-2010 08:31

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822240)

Sadly it was also the year when Gayle didn't campaign at houses displaying the same Union Jack flag, as stated in the thread, fearing those places too would be inhabited by fascists.

She lost, and so did democracy, if people still think of the national flag as being a symbol of far-right extremism.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nue-31787.html

I've read through that whole thread again and I'm sorry, but I still stand by it. I also think it's wrong that this is the way it is.

I wasn't saying that i was happy with the situation. Just saying that unless it's a great sporting event most people tend to tuck their flags away. How many will still be flying when England get knocked out in the quarter finals? I'd imagine that a lot of the flags will be destroyed in frustration at that point.

In six months time how many flags will still be flying?

garinda 14-06-2010 08:49

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822293)
I've read through that whole thread again and I'm sorry, but I still stand by it. I also think it's wrong that this is the way it is.

I wasn't saying that i was happy with the situation. Just saying that unless it's a great sporting event most people tend to tuck their flags away. How many will still be flying when England get knocked out in the quarter finals? I'd imagine that a lot of the flags will be destroyed in frustration at that point.

In six months time how many flags will still be flying?


...and four years on I still totally disagree with your point of view, that if you see a flag, Union or English, outside of a football tournament, that has fascist connotations.

Just as the best criminals never get caught, most right-wing extremists aren't skinheads, wearing Docs, and waving the Union Jack.

You see many more Union Jacks at Proms in the Parks concerts, than you do at any extremist rallies nowadays.

cashman 14-06-2010 08:54

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ya should run fer parliment gayle.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

jaysay 14-06-2010 09:05

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822104)
I see her more in Lytham St. Annes, since she's Blackpool born, chatting over the fence, with your friend Karen Buckley.

;)

:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger

garinda 14-06-2010 09:06

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822302)
Just as the best criminals never get caught, most right-wing extremists aren't skinheads, wearing Docs, and waving the Union Jack.

In the seventies the leader of the local National Front, was someone who used to publish the vilest, most offensive, racist literature, both in leaflet form, and via the letters page of the local press. The sort of guff that whites were superior to other races, and that Pakistanis should 'go home'.

He was well educated, at Accy Grammar School, wasn't a skinhead, and nor did I ever see him with a Union Jack.

He now runs a business in Oswaldtwistle, and if I'm not mistaken, known to someone who thinks national flags somehow equal nationalism.

garinda 14-06-2010 09:35

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822306)
In the seventies the leader of the local National Front, was someone who used to publish the vilest, most offensive, racist literature, both in leaflet form, and via the letters page of the local press. The sort of guff that whites were superior to other races, and that Pakistanis should 'go home'.

He was well educated, at Accy Grammar School, wasn't a skinhead, and nor did I ever see him with a Union Jack.

He now runs a business in Oswaldtwistle, and if I'm not mistaken, known to someone who thinks national flags somehow equal nationalism.

...and I've never seen the Union flag, or the England flag, anywhere at his bookshop.

Gayle 14-06-2010 12:17

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822302)
...and four years on I still totally disagree with your point of view, that if you see a flag, Union or English, outside of a football tournament, that has fascist connotations.

I never said that - I said that if the Union Flag was flying on a house outside a sports event, then it would probably be there for a reason. Yes there will be exceptions, and yes of course there are people who are patriotic but not BNP - I'm one of them - but I wouldn't fly a flag outside of a sporting occasion, just as most people wouldn't.

And perhaps it is wrong to make assumptions or stereotype people but we're all guilty of that - don't they say that a person has a job within 3minutes of the interview because that's how quickly we take to decide.

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Originally Posted by garinda
Just as the best criminals never get caught, most right-wing extremists aren't skinheads, wearing Docs, and waving the Union Jack.

Not arguing with you on this point. Nick Griffin always wears a suit. And the flip side of that is that I'm married to a skinhead and he's one of the gentlest and most liberal people I've ever met.

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You see many more Union Jacks at Proms in the Parks concerts, than you do at any extremist rallies nowadays.

This is completely taking my comments the wrong way because all of these things - Geri Halliwell, town halls, sports event, proms etc are using the flags in context and I never once said that was racist.

In six months time when all the World Cup brewhaha has died down and we're losing at cricket and rugby again, I'll take you round a couple of houses, we'll find some reason to knock on the doors and we'll see what your impression of the residents is. Remember, I knocked on those doors four years ago.

Gayle 14-06-2010 12:25

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And just for the record - I don't happen to like it. I think the flag should be able to be flown from a persons house without it having any connotations. I think the flag should be reclaimed, and perhaps it slowly is, perhaps we should all keep our flags up after the World Cup ends - I wonder how many people will though?

garinda 14-06-2010 12:38

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822374)
And just for the record - I don't happen to like it. I think the flag should be able to be flown from a persons house without it having any connotations. I think the flag should be reclaimed, and perhaps it slowly is, perhaps we should all keep our flags up after the World Cup ends - I wonder how many people will though?

Lots of people did last time, as the Euro tournament we were in, was only 24 months after the World Cup.

Rather an odd position for me, being the least jingoistic person I know, defending people's right to display the national flags, but I honestly don't believe today, or for the past fifteen years or so, that there is any connotation between the Union, and English flags, and extremist politics.

You really can't judge by appearance.

As stated, the most disgusting racist I ever came into contact locally, I never saw with any British flag.

Gayle 14-06-2010 12:43

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822375)
Lots of people did last time, as the Euro tournament we were in, was only 24 months after the World Cup.

Rather an odd position for me, being the least jingoistic person I know, defending people's right to display the national flags, but I honestly don't believe today, or for the past fifteen years or so, that there is any connotation between the Union, and English flags, and extremist politics.

You really can't judge by appearance.

As stated, the most disgusting racist I ever came into contact locally, I never saw with any British flag.

I would also defend anyone's right to fly the flag. In fact, if more people did then it wouldn't have the connotations that it does. Unfortunately, I think you're in the minority if you don't believe that a house flying the Union Flag isn't doing it to make a specific point, other than simple patriotism.

As for racists - I came across a very smart one in Pendle once and he didn't have a flag. I never once said that all racists came with it imprinted on their foreheads.

garinda 14-06-2010 12:51

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822379)
I would also defend anyone's right to fly the flag. In fact, if more people did then it wouldn't have the connotations that it does. Unfortunately, I think you're in the minority if you don't believe that a house flying the Union Flag isn't doing it for a reason, other than simple patriotism.

As for racists - I came across a very smart one in Pendle once and he didn't have a flag. I never once said that all racists came with it imprinted on their foreheads.

No, but you implied that any house displaying a flag, outside a football tournament, and all those who live there, are extremist nationalists. Hence your decision not to canvas those homes, irrespective of other people residing there, who perhaps had no say about a flag being displayed.

As for being in a minority, from the replies in the various threads, it isn't me that's in a minority.

Ever since the Cool Britannia thing in the mid nineties, main stream fashion houses, from Hacketts to Harrods, have used both the imagery of the Union and St. George Cross flags, on everything from knitwear to cufflinks, with absolutely no connotation to right-wing politics.

Gayle 14-06-2010 12:59

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822382)
No, but you implied that any house displaying a flag, outside a football tournament, and all those who live there, are extremist nationalists. Hence your decision not to canvas those homes, irrespective of other people residing there, who perhaps had no say about a flag being displayed.

I did canvas those homes, I spent about six months visiting houses throughout Oswaldtwistle and in that time I learnt where I was likely to get a good reception and where I was likely to get abused, ranted at or sworn at. So after a bit I started to recognise some identifying features and some similarities so that I could avoid being abused, ranted at or sworn at. And yes, the Union Flag flying was one of those identifying features. Again, just for the record, I still delivered leaflets to those houses on the off chance that some of the residents there might be receptive, but I never knocked again because not unsurprisingly, I didn't like being abused, ranted at or sworn at.

garinda 14-06-2010 13:03

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Even in the late seventies, when the National Front could have said to have hijacked the Union flag, you also had the Mod revivalists, a very racially diverse youth culture, proudly displaying the Union Jack sewn on to the back of their parkas, and dancing to ska.

No one thought of them being the slightest bit racist.

garinda 14-06-2010 13:08

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822385)
I did canvas those homes, I spent about six months visiting houses throughout Oswaldtwistle and in that time I learnt where I was likely to get a good reception and where I was likely to get abused, ranted at or sworn at. So after a bit I started to recognise some identifying features and some similarities so that I could avoid being abused, ranted at or sworn at. And yes, the Union Flag flying was one of those identifying features. Again, just for the record, I still delivered leaflets to those houses on the off chance that some of the residents there might be receptive, but I never knocked again because not unsurprisingly, I didn't like being abused, ranted at or sworn at.


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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 442330)
When I was campaigning the other year I just knew to stay away from houses with the union jack flag flying outside - and yes there are a few in Ossy.

Don't worry, I bet anyone with a red rosette gets abused at Jaysay's.

Just be thankful he doesn't live in St. Andrew's ward.

:D

Ken Moss 14-06-2010 13:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822388)
Don't worry, I bet anyone with a red rosette gets abused at Jaysay's.

Just be thankful he doesn't live in St. Andrew's ward.

:D

I was invited in, had a coffee and managed to get out alive.

I doubt I'd be so lucky a second time.....

cashman 14-06-2010 13:59

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822388)
Don't worry, I bet anyone with a red rosette gets abused at Jaysay's.

Just be thankful he doesn't live in St. Andrew's ward.

:D

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 822389)
I was invited in, had a coffee and managed to get out alive.

I doubt I'd be so lucky a second time.....

well i never get abused up yon, in fact normal form is sitting laughing at certain people.:D

jaysay 14-06-2010 15:00

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822388)
Don't worry, I bet anyone with a red rosette gets abused at Jaysays.

Just be thankful he doesn't live in St. Andrew's ward.

:D

Nothing of the sort, people with red rosette's have been know to inadvertently knock on my door, on opening the door I've been greeted with oops sorry, then exit stage left without me opening my mouth, maybe the look was enough:D

jaysay 14-06-2010 15:03

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 822389)
I was invited in, had a coffee and managed to get out alive.

I doubt I'd be so lucky a second time.....

All are welcome at my humble abode, even for a second time:D

jaysay 14-06-2010 15:05

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 822406)
well i never get abused up yon, in fact normal form is sitting laughing at certain people.:D

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: Ya and they're certainly worth the laugh cashy:D:D

garinda 14-06-2010 15:14

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 822421)
:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: Ya and they're certainly worth the laugh cashy:D:D


Must be a false rumour then, that Last of the Summer Wine was ending.

:rolleyes::D

DaveinGermany 14-06-2010 16:16

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 822181)
A bit worrying when this happens - but I agree with you. :D

Why should it just be during the World Cup? Unfortunately a certain group of people took the Union Jack and abused for their own racist purposes to the point where regular, normal, patriotic people got too scared to display the Union Jack for fear of looking as though they belonged to a racist sect.

So by your Logic I'm some kind of Nationalist thug ?? ;) All the Germans on their allotments are raging Nazis ?? as they & I fly our flags continually regardless of the season & occasion ! The Portuguese down the road & as to the Eyeties ? raging fascists ? All these peoples fly their flags throughout the year. To me it just means they are proud of their heritage although they live away from their Country of origin.

And I think you will find that to be the case with many folk in the UK, they fly their flag as a matter of pride, not to make any sort of Nationalist statement. But there lies the problem ! Because when people think in the same way as you appear to be doing any signs of national pride are construed as having Nationalistic, extremist connotations & should therefore be brought to book. What a sorry state for a Country to be in, words fail me.

Neil 14-06-2010 17:00

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 821866)
http://lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/w...l.asp?id=21988

'Carol Mills...is also an experienced alternative/holistic therapist.'


I wonder if she could help out Rhonda with her back/pelvis then. I spend ages massaging her feet and back to help her with her pain and I know you would offer to suck her toes again if it would help :rolleyes::D:D

Tried the comfrey oil last night but not sure if the oil or the massaging helps most.

garinda 14-06-2010 22:51

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 822461)
I wonder if she could help out Rhonda with her back/pelvis then. I spend ages massaging her feet and back to help her with her pain and I know you would offer to suck her toes again if it would help :rolleyes::D:D

Tried the comfrey oil last night but not sure if the oil or the massaging helps most.

You can quite clearly see on the photograph that's in the gallery, that I'm merely attempting to remove a sting from your lady wife's foot, after she'd been attacked by a passing jelly fish in The Stag public house, which had launched itself on the poor girl, after being attracted by her peep-toe sandal.

:rolleyes:

jaysay 15-06-2010 09:36

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822424)
Must be a false rumour then, that Last of the Summer Wine was ending.

:rolleyes::D

Quite right the modern day Compo and Cleggy are alive and kicking in Ossy, mind you we are looking for a Nora Batty G.:rolleyes::D:D:D

jaysay 15-06-2010 09:39

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 822491)
You can quite clearly see on the photograph that's in the gallery, that I'm merely attempting to remove a sting from your lady wife's foot, after she'd been attacked by a passing jelly fish in The Stag public house, which had launched itself on the poor girl, after being attracted by her peep-toe sandal.

:rolleyes:

Was it a Portuguese Man-O-War :rolleyes:

DaveinGermany 15-06-2010 18:24

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My contribution ! :) Holland at the Caravan, Germany from the balcony, Germany "Top o' our stairs"

shillelagh 15-06-2010 18:25

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well when i was in preston today the st georges flag was flying over county hall .. so if theyre banning flags why is it flying over county hall then ...

garinda 15-06-2010 19:48

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Great to see so many taxi drivers in Accrington today, flying the England flag.

Doubtful they'll be members of the BNP, them being Asian.

Tealeaf 15-06-2010 20:15

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I would have thought that the Asian (muslim) cab drivers would have been quite proud to fly the Cross of St George; other than confirrming their English identity, they are also displaying the colours of a Palestinian who died for his refusal to compromise with someone who had hitherto been one of his best mates - Diocletian.

garinda 15-06-2010 23:46

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 822617)
I would have thought that the Asian (muslim) cab drivers would have been quite proud to fly the Cross of St George; other than confirrming their English identity, they are also displaying the colours of a Palestinian who died for his refusal to compromise with someone who had hitherto been one of his best mates - Diocletian.

What?

The geezer ain't even bleedin' Ingerlish?

Send him packin'.

:D

hedman2003 18-06-2010 17:20

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 822597)
well when i was in preston today the st georges flag was flying over county hall .. so if theyre banning flags why is it flying over county hall then ...


Why don't people stick to the facts instead of the rubbish in the tabloid local rags. Our Office fully decorated, majority of our team in football shirts today which will be repeated next Wednesday. It's a matter for individual Managers to make decisions based on if employees are front or back office. Well done to our Managers for helping staff morale

The flag over County Hall has been flying since last Friday

ps Carol Mills is leaving and going to work for Merseyside Uni as their Director of HR


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