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'A TODDLER was left with 35 separate injuries inflicted by a heroin addict.
Mark Andrew Fisher, 23, of Belfield Road, Accrington, was only prevented from causing more harm to the child when the attacker's own mother shopped him to the police.' Accrington man jailed for inflicting 35 injuries on a toddler (From This Is Lancashire) Good for his mum. I know for a fact if I ever did anything so evil my family would shop me straight away, as I would them. There's too many excuses made for appalling behaviour, and heinous crimes. When in reality there is no excuse for the sort of things this child endured. |
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And the poor childs mother?! Oh my god
Hopefully they get a longer sentence than the Thai's (I think) who starved their baby! |
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People who hurt children on purpose deserve to be locked up for longer than 2 years, that child is going to have to deal with the mental problems it will cause for years to come!
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pure scum:mad:
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Hope both get the crap kicked out of em, in nick.:(
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Castrating the father and spaying the mother would be a more appropriate sentence in cases like this.
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Don't understand why the mothers identity was protected , the story said she was sent to prision so she's obviously an adult and not a minor :confused: :confused:
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We all know the sentence should be life.. and I mean life..and praise to the mother of this scumbag.
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I think and I'm sure Mancie will correct me if I'm wrong he was praising the mother who shopped her son for inflicting these terrible injuries on this poor child. As for that piece of scum and the babies mother I hope they get all that they deserve (but in hindsight they won't as they will be protected) much as this poor child wasn't.
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Yes I'm praising the grandmother of the child who had the courage to bring this abuse out in the open.. so many cases like this have only come to light when the child has been killed.. seems it's only after a child has been killed that we get all the inquires and usually end up blaming social workers, some of the family or freinds of these abusers must have suspicions.. but say nowt.
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But then again Mancie you get the other end of the spectrum where grandparents actually warn SS about the posiible danger to their grandchild/children which are ignored and then turn out to be accurate. Seems to me a bit of good old common sense should be the order but hey ho how would I know? In the meantime because SS prefer a child to be with "a biological parent" rather than in care more poor unfortunate kids need to suffer.
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I know this is a bit off thread, but I know what I'd do with that 28 year old scumbag who dragged a 10 year old girl off the streets of Fleetwood and raped her, sod his rights I'd make sure he didn't do it again, he'd have nothing to do it with:mad::mad::mad:
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The only solution, whilst there is even the slightest risk of reoffending, is to be locked up securely, indefinitely, and away from society. |
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You don't need a male appendage to inflict terrible injuries. |
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I've said it before & I don't care what people think, where these people are proved beyond doubt to have committed such offences as these, murder & continual abuse. No chance of rehabilitation, the only really effective answer is a good stout length of rope. The problem would be eradicated, they would never re-offend & the taxpayers money could be saved for something worthwhile & useful.
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INNOCENT - casse of Stefan Kiszcko Stefan Kiszko was found guilty of a terrible child murder, and was totally innocent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed |
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where these people are proved beyond doubt |
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Cashy has pretty much summed up my point. The case of Stefan Kiszcko as you pointed out was flawed, back in 1976 the Police & the Courts didn't have the wealth of Hi-Tec devices & gadgets available that we have today.
when admissible, the evidence gleaned from these methods is more than enough to prove the facts & that was the point I was making. |
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Well, although I detest and abhor evil crimes against children, you have stronger self convictions than myself.
Very often in horrific cases of abuse there is no physical evidence. Just the testament of the victim, if they are old enough to be questioned. One of the most troubling days of my life was when, as forman of a jury, I had to stand and give a majority verdict, when I was more than sure the woman was innocent, but the rest of my fellow jurors didn't. Mainly based on irrational prejudice against the accused, rather than any actual evidence we'd heard. I could never convict someone to die, because only being human, mistakes will happe and buried. |
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...and on a parting note, the horrific crimes committed by Hindley and Brady, were carried when there was still a death sentence, and was only abolished four weeks before their eventual arrests.
So how much of a deterrent it would be, on the pathologically evil, is open to question. |
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i can quite understand a reluctance fer capital punishment, given the old days,was against meself, was miscarriges of justice, experts giving tainted evidence- re- the ira bombers on the mainland etc, but these days wi D.N.A. plus those who hold there hand up to horrendous crimes, can see no good reason, why it is not n option fer the judge.
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Some of those cases have been brought about because of Repressed Memory Syndrome, in which people didn't remember being abused until in therapy. Some of these convictions have since proved to be false. However disgusting I find these crimes, I couldn't find someone guilty if they were to be executed. As satisfying as it might be, and if it was children related to me I'd feel I wanted to hurt the evil gets myself, it would only be an act of revenge. These crimes also occured when we had the death penalty, as seen by the Moors Murderers, but it didn't act as a deterrent. The only answer is to lock them away forever, if there's the slightest chance they might harm anyone else. There have been cases of teachers being accused and found guilty of abusing children, which were later found to be false. Not much comfort to their families if when later proved innocent, if they're dead and buried. Just my opinion, and it won't be swayed on this matter. |
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There was no definitive DNA or physical evidence of abuse in these cases. Operation Ore: legal challenge to child abuse inquiry - Telegraph Operation Ore - Jim Gamble |
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As you also stated murders were being committed even when the Death penalty was an option, but here I would interject that the rate of murders & violent crimes has risen since the abolishment of said sentence. Therefore I do believe it had some deterrent effect, added to that those who were hung certainly were stopped from re-offending. http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source...IOSBca_0hU9Ulw specifically Chapter. VI in relation to crime. Like I said crime detection has come on in leaps & bounds since the earlier days of forensics, to todays ultra modern & hi-tec advances. The results speak for themselves as the bulk of modern crimes are solved with modern technologies & the convictions are sound, you yourself have advocated the use of modern methods on previous occasions. |
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'Darryl Gee was jailed in 2001 despite scant evidence to corroborate his accuser’s claims, which related to alleged incidents more than a decade earlier.'
“It all boiled down to one girl’s word against his, and the jury believed her,” she said. “That’s all it took to send my son to prison and it has left me very angry and grief stricken. I don’t think anyone should have to work alone with a child – it is just too easy for an allegation like this to be made.” 'His conviction was eventually quashed when his mother alerted the Criminal Cases Review Commission, which asked a leading psychiatrist to report on his accuser. The study cast doubt on her mental state. It also emerged that the girl, now 26, made similar allegations against another man, whose conviction was quashed earlier this year.' DARRYL GEE COURT OF APPEAL PSYCHOLOGY SERIAL FALSE ACCUSATIONS ASSAULT RAPE CLAIMS Sadly there are also some evil liars, whose actions mean more suffering for real victims of abuse, and also those they wrongly accuse, and are convicted of crimes they didn't commit. |
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surely though ones word is differant completely to D.N.A. evidence?:confused: to me thats "Bang to Rights"
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'Mr Blackwell's ordeal began when his accuser, now 39, claimed she had been seized with a knife outside a village club early on New Year's Day 1999, taken to an alley and indecently assaulted.'
'She picked him out of an identity parade and a jury found him guilty, even though there was no forensic evidence and he had no previous convictions. His wife Tanya never doubted his innocence.' 'Eventually, the case was investigated by the Criminal Cases Review Commission which found his accuser had fabricated at least seven other allegations of sexual and physical assault. She frequently changed her name and police forces did not realise they were dealing with the same woman.' Man wrongly jailed for three years charged £7,000 by Home Office for 'board and lodging'| News | This is London |
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Don't agree the death penalty is any deterrent to a killer.. I don't see it as a something that might be in someones mind when they decide to kill wether it be in a "rush of blood" or even if it is planned....I don't think it's a factor for killers.
On the other hand for some crimes it seems the proper thing to do. |
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Don't know if it's it been said above but in the film 'Pierpoint' the hangman is quoted as saying "The death penalty never achieved anything except revenge".
I think some criminals should never be released but how do you justify wrongly executing an innocent person? Perhaps our criterion for conviction - no reasonable doubt - needs to be re-examined. If there IS no doubt i.e. caught in the act or incontrovertible DNA or other evidence then maybe capital punishment could be used. But if it is (say) only 90% certain that the person is guilty then prison would be appropriate. i.e. we think he done it but we'll put him on ice in case something turns up which shows he didn't. |
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