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does anybody else think the party politics of both main political parties has contributed to the downfall of british football ie selling offsports fields for housing etc.,building massive housing estates without any sports fields,slashing funding for sports activities in schools etc, have they sown what we have reaped.

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It's not only the (Thatcherite) flogging of the playing fields...it's the (Socialist) policy of non-competitive sports, EU Health & Safety legislation, parents not letting kids out to play, diets of junk food, kids spending their time on PC's rather than going out, the Premier foofball league, unjustified tabloid hype....I could go on, but I'm sure others can put their own angle on this.

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thats why i quote both main political parties the start was selling off school and social sports fields to make a quick buck.

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Some fault may be laid at their doors, but I think the main problem lies in the non competitive nature of sports(all winners no losers), the general attitude of a generation or two to sport (where do I plug it in ?). The touchy feely & fear of compensation/responsibility if someone gets hurt & the lack of dedicated sports teachers.

As youngsters we had organised Sat&Sun league football from under 11's upto under 16's,(Run by parents & Uncles) Organised & competitive sport in School (Footy/Cricket & the Girls had netball & rounders, swimming etc) against other Schools in the region. In fact one of our Sports teachers played for Altrincham FC & blagged tickets for a pile of us in their FA Cup run which they lost out to Spurs in the 78-79 season I believe.

DAVISON, John: Club captain and also skipper of the England Semi-Pro team for whom he has a record 21 caps. He holds Aitrincham’s individual appearance record having passed 650 in February, and was a member of the previous two Wembley sides. He came to the club in 1972 from Burnley and had a short spell with Bangor City four years later. Aged 33, with a cultured left foot, he is a schoolteacher.

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How much government funding do you think they get for sports activities in Brazil? A hell of a lot less than they do here, I'll be bound. The difference is, they have pride in their country and consider it an honour and a privilege to wear the shirt...and it shows in the effort they put in when playing in internationals.

Contrast that to the attitude of our bunch...spoilt brats who care nothing for their country, but everything for money. Excuses like these just don't cut it...they just don't want it enough - as simple as.

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Dont agree, its as simple as the everyones a winner mentality, utter crap n one thing i give credit to the despicable tories fer saying they will remove it from school sports.

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ahh but its all implemented by people in charge who impose there own political views allowed by politicians so they have been fundemental in the fall of grace of our so called sports stars.

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yeh n labour was in charge at that time i think.

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Can't agree with you more.I came from humble beginnings but I never played a game or ran a race to come second and indeed, not to win was never an option.:mosher:

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It's all very well for the Government to say they want to bring back the competitive edge for kids in sport.. but I heard the same sort of thing from the early days of the last Government....I'd like to know where this new competitive attitude for sports will be carried out, in the inner cities hardly any schools have a football pitch let alone facilities for athletics..will this lot put money were there gobs are?.. I doubt it!

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know what yer sayin mancie dont disagree, but a starts gotta be made. kids thinkin no-ones a loser does nowt fer sport. n thats sod all to do wi polotics just common sense.

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Yes, and to be honest I don't know of, and never heard of any directive from any Goverment saying winning in sports is bad..maybe there has been an attitude from some teachers that winning is not everything.. but I don't think that attitude is common... like I say it's all very well to announce we want to bring back the competition in games and sports..but will they provide the resources?

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cant honestly remember, but was all over the media about it yrs ago, n i thought it was stupid then, seem to think it was when i was goin through a bad time, which would be around 10 yrs ago.:confused:

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think it started before that ... and i aint doing politics here .. but i can remember the sports day at a school .. and this was when one of my nieces went there ... shes now 25 ... and there was no losers then .. that was at least 15 years ago .. tis the same with another one .. though shes only just turned 16 ...

even when i was at school the pe teachers were just glad i managed to finish any sports .. i was crap at em .. so its not just started recent .. its been going on for a lot longer than people think.

Is it going to work .. a lot of kids do sports out of school ... play football on a saturday or sunday, learn karate or judo etc and enter competitions, play cricket in summer, do they not learn competitiveness from them as well ..

think it comes from a pile of different sources, parents, teachers, friends, relatives etc .. even watching tv .. watching the olympics on telly .. getting a gold medal ..

Something else ... this weekend hassy sports centre is running a football tournament .. they have done for the last 3 years. Its over subscribed. Theres teams from the fylde coast, formby, cumbria besides local teams.... Now the Under 8s they get all get a medal ... but the under 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s, 13s, 14s and 15s are all competing for a trophy .. and its being held over 2 days .. it has to be because of the amount of teams that have entered.

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It started of with there should be no losers in sport, which was quickly followed with if we don't have competitive sports there's no need for sports fields

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Its been voiced this morning that there is going to be a schools Olympics in 2012 in England, with hope to extend it to Scotland, Wales and Norther Island in future years

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And what's the betting all the Celts. will give us a hiding too !! :D

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My two youngest moved to a "Flagship Comprehensive" in 1977 - Montgomery in Bispham.
The Sports Master was an ex-pro footballer with what had been one of the greatest teams in England.
No organised football, no other team games except what the lads organised themselves - cross country runs around the streets - usually 6 or so in my lounge drinking coffee, or fishing on North Pier.
Plenty of football pitches adjacent to the school so what was the problem - lack of motivation by the Staff (who did prove to be inept in other ways, but that is another story), ban on competitive sports???????????????
Good God, I was always taught play fair but play to win, and the same applied to my work, strive to be the best you can be.

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Hear . . . Hear! Not only are we fast becoming the world's sporting duffers, we are in danger of losing our national identity altogether, thanks to the nincompoop PC Brigade who are subservient to no-one but themselves (and the mandarins of Brussels). Having spent the last 3-weeks in Portugal and witnessed their fantastic adherance to their native culture, I confess to feeling increasingly disheartened at the cowardly capitulation of our nationhood by the successive political factions that would deem to call themselves British.

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We seemed to be prety good when we invented it.

Playing on cinder covered waste ground.

A ball, when wet, weighing as much as a small child with rickets.

Rags for goal posts.

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Same in Africa.

Kids who love kicking a ball.

Not soft lard arses, who want everything given to them on a plate.

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And there was me thinking Netball would be more your barrow:D:D:p

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ah thats explains it, i was living abroad in those days, seems the country went to Rat sh1t the moment i left.:D

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Actually it was tennis.

Never been one for playing team sports.

Too many weak links.

;)

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Take doubles was out then;)

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Yes.

Always stood me in good stead in the jobs market, not being a team player.

Sheep are easily sourced.

Wolves much harder to find.

;)

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Yea but they hunt in packs and there's always an Alpha Male;)

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'...lone wolves are usually stronger, more aggressive and far more dangerous than the average wolf that is a member of a pack'
Lone wolf (trait) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

;)

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:alright::bow8::theband:Okay you win I give up:D

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Hurrah!

Finally.

:D

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They teach competitive sport in the Juniors at my children's school.

They don't do winners or losers in infants. I think I mentioned that before but when they get to Juniors they do Sports day with points scored for their houses. Four houses and each win counts points towards the house score, so that at the end of the day one of the houses is the winner. It's quite a good way because it means that individually one poor runner can still be part of the winning house but gives them all an incentive to win for their house.

They're also pretty big on football at their school and for the last two years they've been the regional champions of a competition organised via the league football clubs. They've played and won the local championship at Accrington Stanley's ground and then got through to the North West finals. If they'd won that they would be playing at Wembley - unfortunately they've been thwarted at that last hurdle.

But definitely have a play to win attitude at their school.

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Its just that I give up when you start linking Wikipedia:eek:

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Blimey.

That's a handy tip to know.

Duly noted.

:D

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Ah well.. when you have supporters like these how can you lose?

Photoshop.com - eton-boys.jpg

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Think he guy second from the left (left:D) is a great resemblance of your good self Mancie, especially now your heads grown to fit the hat:p