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Less 11-07-2010 18:40

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 828048)
I think your past experience with the female of the species has made you a tad cynical Less.

NOT JUST A TAD, believe me!:D

Margaret Pilkington 11-07-2010 19:02

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Well, it was said tongue in cheek Less. :D

garinda 11-07-2010 20:32

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 828010)
Don't tar all women police officers with the same brush. I served for a while under a woman inspector, Wynn Darwin who had more about her than many of her male counterparts. So much so that a TV series was made parallelling her career and filmed in the Rossendale Valley. Don't recall the name of the series, but I know it was well received at the time.

It was a humorous post.

Hence the wink.

;)

Though in my defence, her hair style is a shocking mess, and doesn't look very professional.

You end up watching the barnet, instead of listening to what she's saying.

True, it won't affect how she does the job, but in a position in which you are a media spokesperson, which she has been many times this past week, she should not have an apearance that is more noteworthy than what's being said.

No need to spend hours away from the investigation.

Two kirby grips, and an elastic band, would have done the job.

;)

garinda 11-07-2010 20:34

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...and in this case, appearance does matter.

She was wearing a uniform, not sat there in a trackie and her slippers.

garinda 11-07-2010 21:18

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 828010)
Don't tar all women police officers with the same brush. I served for a while under a woman inspector, Wynn Darwin who had more about her than many of her male counterparts. So much so that a TV series was made parallelling her career and filmed in the Rossendale Valley. Don't recall the name of the series, but I know it was well received at the time.

Juliet Bravo, was the series, by the way.

;)

jaysay 12-07-2010 08:38

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 828010)
Don't tar all women police officers with the same brush. I served for a while under a woman inspector, Wynn Darwin who had more about her than many of her male counterparts. So much so that a TV series was made parallelling her career and filmed in the Rossendale Valley. Don't recall the name of the series, but I know it was well received at the time.

The series was Juliet Bravo and was centred on an inspector not a chief constable or acting chief constable

jaysay 12-07-2010 08:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 828055)
Well, it was said tongue in cheek Less. :D

Think the words Women and Less in the same sentence are not compatible Margaret:D

accyman 12-07-2010 14:11

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moats brother is getting in on the action i see.Despite not talking to his brother for 7 years he is now running around screaming foul play because he says the tazar used on Moat cause his muscle in his finger to spazsm making Moat pull the trigger on teh gun he was holding to his head.Mind you the guys a tax officer so what you exect.It sounds liek somones after a big payout from the police and i agree the police should compensate Moats brother and offer him a bullet to the head as well if he misses his brother that much

jaysay 12-07-2010 14:45

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Looks like some dolt has left some flowers at his front gate:eek:

Tealeaf 12-07-2010 16:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 828262)
Looks like some dolt has left some flowers at his front gate:eek:

Probably Gazza. Did he leave the fishing rod and chicken as well?

Stumped 12-07-2010 17:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 828191)
The series was Juliet Bravo and was centred on an inspector not a chief constable or acting chief constable

Wynn Darwin WAS an inspector when I served with her. Last I heard before I retired was that she had risen to Superintendent and was serving in the Ribble Valley. Despite being female, she was recognised as bein a copper's copper by all who knew her.

Stumped 12-07-2010 17:23

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 828254)
moats brother is getting in on the action i see.Despite not talking to his brother for 7 years he is now running around screaming foul play because he says the tazar used on Moat cause his muscle in his finger to spazsm making Moat pull the trigger on teh gun he was holding to his head.Mind you the guys a tax officer so what you exect.It sounds liek somones after a big payout from the police and i agree the police should compensate Moats brother and offer him a bullet to the head as well if he misses his brother that much

Amazing how quickly the cockroaches pop out of the woodpile when the word 'compensation' is deciphered for them!

garinda 12-07-2010 17:50

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 828303)
Wynn Darwin WAS an inspector when I served with her. Last I heard before I retired was that she had risen to Superintendent and was serving in the Ribble Valley. Despite being female, she was recognised as bein a copper's copper by all who knew her.

I'm afraid we're going to have to take you off the case, for keeping sloppy notes.

Her name was Wynne Darwin.

JULIET BRAVO
Stephanie Turner played Jean Darblay, Juliet Bravo
A female officer taking charge of a police station? It seems odd now that such an issue would be thought worthy of its own TV series – but it was in the 1980s. Fascinating fact: The series was based on the real-life experiences of Wynne Darwin, a female inspector with the Lancashire police.
Who's top of the cops? The search for TV's greatest detective | Mail Online

BBC - BBC Four Programmes - Call the Cops, Juliet Bravo

:rolleyes:

:D

garinda 12-07-2010 17:58

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http://inspectorgadget.files.wordpre.../07/ikkkl1.jpg

Tealeaf 12-07-2010 18:36

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Is that a self portrait of Garinda?

jaysay 12-07-2010 18:53

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 828313)
I'm afraid we're going to have to take you off the case, for keeping sloppy notes.

Her name was Wynne Darwin.

JULIET BRAVO
Stephanie Turner played Jean Darblay, Juliet Bravo
A female officer taking charge of a police station? It seems odd now that such an issue would be thought worthy of its own TV series – but it was in the 1980s. Fascinating fact: The series was based on the real-life experiences of Wynne Darwin, a female inspector with the Lancashire police.
Who's top of the cops? The search for TV's greatest detective | Mail Online

BBC - BBC Four Programmes - Call the Cops, Juliet Bravo

:rolleyes:

:D

Then they brought in Anna Carterat:rolleyes:

jaysay 12-07-2010 18:54

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 828322)
Is that a self portrait of Garinda?

Na thats much better looking than Garinda:D:D:D:p

DaveinGermany 12-07-2010 19:19

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 828254)
because he says the tazar used on Moat cause his muscle in his finger to spazsm making Moat pull the trigger on teh gun he was holding to his head.

I must admit to thinking that when I heard they'd used tazers. When X thousand volts are hurtling through your system it'd be pretty hard not to have excessive involuntary spasms, so if you're holding a gun at the time, the outcome certainly wouldn't be too healthy.

cashman 12-07-2010 19:25

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 828338)
I must admit to thinking that when I heard they'd used tazers. When X thousand volts are hurtling through your system it'd be pretty hard not to have excessive involuntary spasms, so if you're holding a gun at the time, the outcome certainly wouldn't be too healthy.

well least it saved the cost of a bullet.:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 12-07-2010 19:33

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and the cost of a court case.

Less 12-07-2010 19:49

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 828353)
and the cost of a court case.

and room and board for 3 years, (18months with good behaviour).

cmonstanley 12-07-2010 19:50

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these lot are quick of the mark http://91495.spreadshirt.co.uk/

Eric 13-07-2010 06:08

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 827945)
Such news stories are almost treated as a reality TV show......and that can't be good....it trivialises what is a serious event....and I don't think I am setting myself up as a censor......I am not saying that news should not be reported per se, I am saying that more selectivity should go into the reporting.....I am getting fed up with the trivial, sensationalisation of what are grave human tragedies. I think there is a difference, but I am sure you will correct me if you think I am wrong.

I really do not think that you are wrong in your opinion of the media ... or, more, precisely, the boob toob. I do, however, think that a free press is an essential component of any democracy. I was going to suggest that you use the "off" button on the remote; but I see that you already mentioned that the remote is permanently attached to your old man.:D

jaysay 13-07-2010 09:11

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 828358)
these lot are quick of the mark http://91495.spreadshirt.co.uk/

Could there have been some hacking there:rolleyes:

jaysay 13-07-2010 09:14

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 828357)
and room and board for 3 years, (18months with good behaviour).

Probably not that long with the right lawyer Less;)

jaysay 13-07-2010 10:17

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Mourners set up shrine outside the home of killer Raoul Moat | Mail Online
Just how sick can people get:mad::mad::mad:

Tealeaf 13-07-2010 10:22

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The sooner it's vandalised, the better.

jaysay 13-07-2010 10:33

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 828489)
The sooner it's vandalised, the better.

No doubt the police would charge the vandals with criminal damage Tealeaf:rolleyes:

Tealeaf 13-07-2010 10:36

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If the cops had any sense, they would vandalise it themselves.

jaysay 13-07-2010 10:39

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 828495)
If the cops had any sense, they would vandalise it themselves.

Oh the irony of a perfect world:rolleyes:

cashman 13-07-2010 14:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 828488)

These people are Pond Life, best way wi all of those is STOP there Benefits.:mad:

Taggy 13-07-2010 14:47

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Apparently there's Facebook pages set up, proclaiming Moat to be a "legend"....what ruddy planet do these folk live on...prats!

Best Regards - Taggy

heth 13-07-2010 15:33

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:confused:hmmmmm dont know why he has said it but some of the comments are amusing!:)

Ex-Lancashire police chief slams Moat hero worship (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Less 13-07-2010 15:48

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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 828530)
Apparently there's Facebook pages set up, proclaiming Moat to be a "legend"....what ruddy planet do these folk live on...prats!

Best Regards - Taggy

Could it be the same one as the rest of us?

Maybe, just maybe, there had been a good side to this guy?

I can't from the bullshine put forward from the 'press' and folk on here, see where it was, but before all that brought him into the media's eye, perhaps there was something that was worthwhile about him?

Nope, I'm fighting against myself here,

I haven't seen anything, I can't believe I'm typing this, except for the metaphor about not speaking ill about the dead.

Whatever he did, he won't do again, why are we being so vicious?

Like with Fred West and other swine, the memory will recede for us, but not for those involved or his relatives, at least we aren't expected to lay a wreath as a memorial.

Let's just hope it will be a long time before such danger is allowed out of prison onto the streets again.

O.K. it will probably be less than a fortnight, before something else like this happens. But the press will only be there if it's 'exciting'.
:(

garinda 13-07-2010 15:52

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A few bunches of flowers from a garage forecourt, fair enough.

But it's getting ridiculous now.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/...3a3ff7ebdb.jpg

heth 13-07-2010 15:57

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teehee!!:D

garinda 13-07-2010 16:05

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There's a petition to rename St. James' Park as St. Raul's Moat.

Less 13-07-2010 16:06

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 828555)
A few bunches of flowers from a garage forecourt, fair enough.

But it's getting ridiculous now.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/...3a3ff7ebdb.jpg

Interflora shares have gone up,

Buy, Buy, Buy!

Sorry thought we were on your caption competition thread!

accyman 13-07-2010 16:24

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 828567)
Interflora shares have gone up,

Buy, Buy, Buy!

Sorry thought we were on your caption competition thread!


if they had spent less on flowers perhaps they could have bought a better coffin, it looks very cheap and tacky amongst all those flowers :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/...3a3ff7ebdb.jpg

Tealeaf 13-07-2010 17:15

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I've just realised where this piccy came from....I originally thought the thing in the middle was Dr Who's Tardis.

Stumped 13-07-2010 17:32

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 828313)
I'm afraid we're going to have to take you off the case, for keeping sloppy notes.

Her name was Wynne Darwin.

JULIET BRAVO
Stephanie Turner played Jean Darblay, Juliet Bravo
A female officer taking charge of a police station? It seems odd now that such an issue would be thought worthy of its own TV series – but it was in the 1980s. Fascinating fact: The series was based on the real-life experiences of Wynne Darwin, a female inspector with the Lancashire police.
Who's top of the cops? The search for TV's greatest detective | Mail Online

BBC - BBC Four Programmes - Call the Cops, Juliet Bravo

:rolleyes:

:D

My notes were in shorthand - which was always a guide to proving that they were recorded contemporaneously. Your observations however are spot on. My dropping an 'e' instead of the usual 'h' is therefore perhaps forgiveable in the circumstances!

Margaret Pilkington 13-07-2010 17:32

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 828553)
Could it be the same one as the rest of us?

Maybe, just maybe, there had been a good side to this guy?

I can't from the bullshine put forward from the 'press' and folk on here, see where it was, but before all that brought him into the media's eye, perhaps there was something that was worthwhile about him?

Nope, I'm fighting against myself here,

I haven't seen anything, I can't believe I'm typing this, except for the metaphor about not speaking ill about the dead.

Whatever he did, he won't do again, why are we being so vicious?

Like with Fred West and other swine, the memory will recede for us, but not for those involved or his relatives, at least we aren't expected to lay a wreath as a memorial.

Let's just hope it will be a long time before such danger is allowed out of prison onto the streets again.

O.K. it will probably be less than a fortnight, before something else like this happens. But the press will only be there if it's 'exciting'.
:(


Less, you are right.......there are elements of light and dark in all of us.
The media want to demonise and sensationalise the daily doings of this man, for the simple reason...it sells papers.

It is sad for his family, however dysfunctional they may have been (according to the media), they were still his family and they have lost someone that while, they may have at times felt angry/irritated/frustrated with...he was still their flesh and blood.

He was a deranged man.....something that might have been to do with his use of steroids(allegedly) and this should have been spotted long before he left prison.

He will be being judged by his maker...and that is enough.

jaysay 13-07-2010 17:57

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 828610)
Less, you are right.......there are elements of light and dark in all of us.
The media want to demonise and sensationalise the daily doings of this man, for the simple reason...it sells papers.

It is sad for his family, however dysfunctional they may have been (according to the media), they were still his family and they have lost someone that while, they may have at times felt angry/irritated/frustrated with...he was still their flesh and blood.

He was a deranged man.....something that might have been to do with his use of steroids(allegedly) and this should have been spotted long before he left prison.

He will be being judged by his maker...and that is enough.

Should have been spotted long before he left prison Margaret, this is Great Britain 2010, wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference if they'd have thought he was a raving lunatic (which obviously he was) do you honestly thing the dogood brigade would have aloud anything to be don't once he'd done his time, they'd have been shouting from the roof tops HE HAS RIGHTS YOU KNOW:mad:

garinda 13-07-2010 17:58

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 828609)
My dropping an 'e' instead of the usual 'h' is therefore perhaps forgiveable in the circumstances!


You can get banged up, nevermind banged to rights, for dropping an E.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA


;)

Margaret Pilkington 13-07-2010 18:11

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 828624)
Should have been spotted long before he left prison Margaret, this is Great Britain 2010, wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference if they'd have thought he was a raving lunatic (which obviously he was) do you honestly thing the dogood brigade would have aloud anything to be don't once he'd done his time, they'd have been shouting from the roof tops HE HAS RIGHTS YOU KNOW:mad:

If they had spotted that he was mentally unbalanced, then it was their duty to do something about it...they have a duty of care...and it would have been better if he had been sectioned under the mental health act rather than let a ticking time bomb out into the wider community.

But, ah, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

jaysay 13-07-2010 18:46

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 828632)
If they had spotted that he was mentally unbalanced, then it was their duty to do something about it...they have a duty of care...and it would have been better if he had been sectioned under the mental health act rather than let a ticking time bomb out into the wider community.

But, ah, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

How many nutcases seem perfectly okay one day then a raving lunatic the next, especially if they don't take their meds:(

Margaret Pilkington 13-07-2010 19:38

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Yes, you are right, but the prison officers had him for more than one day...they must have had some knowledge of his volatility....and they should have pointed this out to the relevant authority...but as I say hindsight......too late now, for the dead man, the blinded policeman, the ex girlfriend, and also for Moat, who himself, was a victim of the media circus.

MargaretR 15-07-2010 13:05

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There are two sides to every story-

Side one - the murderer - he was murdering woman-beating bully

Side two - the victim - he was a person whose previous good nature was altered by pharmacutical drugs taken to achieve a body image which has been plugged as desirable by the media.

I think both sides are correct. I align with neither - I observe both.
Which 'side' you align with depends on your own individual perspective based on your life experience.

If you choose just to observe, as I do, you can understand the reasoning behind both sides, and make no judgement about which is right or wrong.
After all - nobody on here ever knew him, so reserving judgement is the best option.

accyman 15-07-2010 14:52

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Agnes Hornsby, Miss Stobbart’s grandmother, told how her granddaughter would come and stay with her in Gateshead when Moat’s violence became too much.

“He's got a violent temper," she said. Once he loses his temper he lashes out, of course she was always the nearest one and then she used to come here.

“He split her head open one night. From what she told me he threw her against a wall and jumped on her stomach.

“He always said if he couldn't have her then nobody else could."

Recalling an occasion last year, she said: “He threatened us with a gun when she was here, all because she'd put on her Facebook that she was going out with a friend.
theres plenty more about this pathetic creatures life and none of it is nice so all these people that feel the slightest bit of sympathy for this animal need to read up a little and learn that he was pure scum and shoudl have been put down a long time ago.He had no previous good nature he ruled over his gorlfriend with violence and fear for 6 years before he was sent to prison and the steroids only fueld his already there violent nature

theres no conspiracey and theres no cover up.The guy was a threat to anyone within teh range of a bullet by his own admission when he announced to teh world he was going to kill more people and deserved to be taken down like the rabbid animal he was.

apparently he had secret recordings he made on his mobile phone of him asking for psychiactric help and this stinks of him planning a future allabi so he can say he asked for help after he killed whoever it was he wanted to kill

the press should be praising the police for taking this filth out

jaysay 15-07-2010 17:30

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Well the last two posts have put two different points of view forward, I'm sorry Margaret but I agree with accyman 100%

Margaret Pilkington 15-07-2010 18:15

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John, I didn't say I didn't agree with the majority of opinion.......I echoed the fact that most of us are capable of both good and bad things...the majority of us have morals which moderate the side of us which would indulge in the bad things......however, I think that this man was a victim of the life he chose to lead, that in the pursuit of the macho image, and the hard man facade, he took drugs which may have altered his psyche.

He was a violent man, but that was compounded by the drugs he took to build up muscle.
Also from the things that have been said about his mental state, I am inclined to believe that maybe he was bi-polar too.
None of these things excuse his viloence or the murder he committed.
I abhor the people who are now lionizing him as a hero.

No John, my point is that none of us are all black, or all white......and that the only person who can judge this man, is his maker....and I guess he will be paying a bigger price than prison could ever inflict on him.

jaysay 15-07-2010 18:28

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 829167)
John, I didn't say I didn't agree with the majority of opinion.......I echoed the fact that most of us are capable of both good and bad things...the majority of us have morals which moderate the side of us which would indulge in the bad things......however, I think that this man was a victim of the life he chose to lead, that in the pursuit of the macho image, and the hard man facade, he took drugs which may have altered his psyche.

He was a violent man, but that was compounded by the drugs he took to build up muscle.
Also from the things that have been said about his mental state, I am inclined to believe that maybe he was bi-polar too.
None of these things excuse his violence or the murder he committed.
I abhor the people who are now lionizing him as a hero.

No John, my point is that none of us are all black, or all white......and that the only person who can judge this man, is his maker....and I guess he will be paying a bigger price than prison could ever inflict on him.

I can see your point Margaret, but I'm sure I heard on the news this morning that he had expressed the wishes to see a shrink in prison and actually saw one, who could find nothing wrong with him. but like I've often said all aspects of life are about opinions, and like eyeballs everybody's got them;) that's what makes the world go round:)

Less 15-07-2010 18:57

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 829167)


Also from the things that have been said about his mental state, I am inclined to believe that maybe he was bi-polar too.

Bi-polar is a very difficult affliction even for the experts to diagnose, to bandy it around as a lay person on the www, is a tad irresponsible especially when such a sweeping statement could help brand all bi-polar as violent which isn't the case.


Quote:

"They go into a psychotic state. The individual in a manic state has a great deal of energy, often they go without sleep for long periods of time and many times become extremely aggressive in their thoughts."


But Taylor cautioned people not to be frightened of someone with bipolar disorder who is having a manic episode. Often there is a stubbornness or inability to cooperate, but that doesn't mean the patient will become violent.


Bipolar patients can become violent, prof says

:(

Margaret Pilkington 15-07-2010 19:17

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Less, I know that Bi-polar is difficult to diagnose...and I did put in bold that little word maybe...I didn't say he was bipolar, nor did i suggest that the condition of being Bi-polar would make him violent, but it would account for his self confessed mood swings.
Now, who is to say that he hadn't read DSM whilst in prison and read up the symptoms of the condition, so that if an when he did see a specialist he could rhyme off the symptoms. I don't know...no-one does.
It is all conjecture......and something that we are never going to know...and in any case it would not now alter the outcome.

cashman 16-07-2010 22:53

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see on the the news tonight, the stupid cow that put his tribute on facebook, has withdrawn the page n her mate was on apologising fer her, n guess what? SHE WAS A DINGLE.:(

jaysay 17-07-2010 08:33

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 829413)
see on the the news tonight, the stupid cow that put his tribute on facebook, has withdrawn the page n her mate was on apologising fer her, n guess what? SHE WAS A DINGLE.:(

Read the story about it in the LET, the best part was the readers comments post below :rolleyes:

Restless 17-07-2010 19:55

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she probably supports bnp too


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