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Any of you lot got the telly on at the moment, tuned to the news channels? It looks like there is a Mexican standoff between Raoul Moat (how aptly named) and cops from 16 different police forces. Why don't the cops just blow his brains out or alternatively bung him in the Big Brother household because the idiot is simply an attention seeker. Either way, end it now because my calculations this is costing close on £2m which could otherwise have been spent on the NHS or our lads in Afgan.

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Personally I think the news coverage has, again been very intrusive, to the point of overkill(sorry, no pun intended).
There should have been a news blackout on this story.....well except for the local people, who really need to know what is going on.
This man is going to have been gloating at how he outwitted the authorities. Just what a man of his intellect needed...his ego being massaged by Sky News.
He has made the police look inept.
Or am I the only one who feels this way?

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i just hope his middle name aint Edward

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He's holding a gun to his own head. It shouldn't take the full brains of the police force to find a 10 foot feather and tickle his finger :rolleyes:

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I see on sky news that Paul Gascoigne has claimed to be his friend and has gone to the cordon line . Hope he doesn't burst into tears on this one .:rolleyes:

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Sky have turned this into "The Jeremy Kyle" Show, its pathetic, i'm wi Tealeaf, just blow him away, can't say blow his brains out cos obviously he aint none, or is it the police want to maintain there overtime fer as long as possible? Gazzas turned up to add to the charade.:rolleyes:

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sky must be phoning everybody in rothbury

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Bound to end in Tears if Gazzas shown up...another attention seeking waster!...i'd shoot Gazza first!:D

Best Regards - Taggy

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bizzarre keystone cops comes to mind:o

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watching it here

BBC NEWS | News Front Page

unfortunatly you cant fast forward it to the end like i just tried to lol

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they have given him Food n Drink, why the hell didn't they tell him yeh can have some when yer in the nick. pathetic,:rolleyes:

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ok bored now

surely we still have a soldier that hasnt been shipped off to another country who can operate a rocket launcher or somthing

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Police saying happy as long as it takes,:rolleyes: sod the residents who are confined to homes, feed this ******, keep our overtime going.:rolleyes:

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i'm fed up now !! 3 hours and not a shot fired !!
ian

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well iv stopped watching i will check youtube later to see if anyone caught the bullet going through his skull on their mobile

some kid will have managed to sneak up lol

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Wayne or Mitchum would have sorted it long ago!...THe DVD's gonna take some edit work!

Best Regards - Taggy

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just got a joke dont shoot the messenger no pun intended ..wots gazza doing there? all england footballers are useless in shoot outs..


ill get my coat:rolleyes:

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finaly some good comes out of this situation :D

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Sorry, wrong thread.

I was looking for a duck island.

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this gazza on radio centro..wants to take moat a can of lager and bread,what a nutter.both of them i mean
Paul Gascoigne speaks to @metroradionews down at the scene in Rothbury about Raoul Moat - PAUL GASCOIGNE METRO RADIO.mp3 on FileSocial

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Shoot me now!

Everything's going to be alright.

Gazza's taken him a mobile phone, a can of lager (sounds like he's necked the other seven), and a fishing rod.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Andrew Lloyd Webber's probably writing the musical as we speak.

Whistle Down the Wind for the twenty first century.

'He's not Jesus.'

'He's just a fella.'

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A Pee'ed up Gazza with his Fishing Rods...and some Chicken wants to give a Murderer some therapy....and i thought Monty Python was Wacky!!

Best Regards - Taggy

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YouTube - It isn't Jesus...it's just a fella.

YouTube - Gazza Fog On the Tyne

:eek::p:eek:

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Whats he want a fishing rod for ? He has a sawn off shot gun .

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what a bizarre night :eek: 2 police cars crash,gazza turns up with a fishing rod ,pub regulars sit outside pub and have a sing song sky phone residents and every nutter turns up on sky news channel:rolleyes:

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What a freakin' circus.

It's such a pity Cheryl Tweedy has malaria.

She'd be down there now, punching her way to the front, with her li'l nurse, Joe McElderry, so she can rip off her dress and make bandages for 'ower Moaty'.

Ant and Dec can't make it.

They reformed P.J. & Duncan, and are re-recording 'I Shot the Sheriff', which will be released on Monday as a charity single.

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Gazza -

'Away man'

'Ya dinna know what ya takin' aboot.'

'As taken him that rod ta catch a little fishy, for the little dishy, in case he gets hungry, and the chippy closes early.'

'Hic.'

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Just look at the copper with his toy gun on the first photo lol ;-

BBC News - Raoul Moat: Police negotiate with man resembling gunman


Do i look good doing this ?

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Apparently a local wedding reception has now wound up...and the guests are having to make alternate ways home "In all their finery"...brings a new meaning to Shot Gun Wedding i suppose! :D

Best Regards - Taggy

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THats a Tasar!

Best Regards - Taggy

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shot heard in Rothbury according to bbc

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it might end like the end sequence of butch cassidy and the sundance kid :eek:

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Its definatly moat thats been hit,,,GOOD!!

Best Regards - Taggy

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All this could have been avoided 7 days ago if the Police had done their job properly....no matter how you judge the later stages of this...they got it very badly wrong from the start,...to my mind they are complicite in a Murder!..Heads should roll on this one!

Best Regards - Taggy

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havnt you read the book

How to disarm a nutter - J.R Hartley

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to disarm a nutter do you simply shot his arms off ?
sorry :D

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apparently its all over

why they didnt shoot him in the head and save a NHS bill i dont know, they had teh perfect excuse to kill and merely wounded him it seems

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he's brown bread at last,not gazza's bread,just dead

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just read it was self inflicted so at least he didnt cost us a bullet

sted heads in a better place now then eh

away from mankind i mean

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Jack Meadows would have sorted it 7 days ago.

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Rothbury's MP is yet undecided wether or not to put the cleaning up of this moat on to his expenses

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They're still milking this - one of the bbc reporters has just said he was speaking to one of Moat's ex-partners grandmother last night.... why ???? Aopparently she said he was never going to give himself up alive, no >>>> Sherlock!

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You are awful you lot, after all a life has been lost here:rolleyes:Well I suppose it saves me the trouble of banging on about how we should hang the bar steward and save taxpayers money, if only all these nut jobs would do the honourable thing and shot themselves;)

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I have to disagree. I happen to be a firm believer in the provisions and intent of the First Ammendment to the US Constitution .... you probably know what it is so I won't quote it. And that intent exists, I'm sure, in Britain, and in British law. It might not be pretty; but the alternative is a controlled and censored media.

Of course he is gloating; he has already achieved more than his alloted time of fame. But his type is hardly a rarity.

And I do not think that your police looked inept. They were in a no-win situation, playing supporting actors to a probably insane leading man. I think that the British police perform in a much more professional manner than would the kind of "shoot-'em-and-then-ask-'em questions later" inbreds that act as deputy sheriffs in Alabama, and Mounties at Vancouver Airport.

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Well Eric, you are viewing this situation from a great distance, and I am pretty sure that you are not being given wall to wall coverage of this story......with newsmen/women who are like bloated blowflies, intent on sensationalising every aspect of the story.

And I think the vast majority of the population will have little confidence in a police force which took seven days,and untold amounts of costly resources to capture one paranoid man...but hey that is only my opinion....anyway the guy will be being judged in a much higher court by now.

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yer obviously not getting all the info mate if ya think police were not inept! a house they knew this clown had visited early in this debacle, the police did NOT watch, n moat returned a couple of days later!!! if that aint INEPT, i don't know what is.:eek:

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A little bit derogatory & controversial that Eric, these" inbreds" are just doing exactly as you stated you would do had the situation been different & you were on the receiving end of the threat. Not sure ? Check the thread (The law is an Ass) Jan this year, posts 38 & 40, yours I believe. ;)

In this modern day & age we have to be careful about what we say & do & also about peoples long memories my friend.:)

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I blame hair.

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/ne...-120969005.jpg

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The media go into over kill.

We'll have the news anchors based in a hedge in the northeast for the next week.

'Back to the studio, for the rest of today's news, before we have the weather in five minutes.'

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The Geordies have got a new anthem...it's called "When the moat does himself in"

Altogeather now.........

Dance to your Daddy, my little laddy
Dance to your Daddy, my little man
Thou shalt have a fish and thou shalt have a fin
Thou shalt have a codlin when the boat comes in
Thou shalt have haddock baked in a pan
Dance to your Daddy, my little man

etc..etc.

Well, he said he didn't have a daddy and I doubt if he would have caught 'owt with Gazza's fishing rod, but never mind.

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There was a sugestion in the media yesterday what went policing goes tits up its always a female chief or acting chief constable;)

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Do you remember Commander Dick at Scotland Yard? She made a few cock-ups.

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Male or female, never trust an acting Chief Constable with a feather cut.

;)

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Ya and I also remember her first name too Tealeaf, Casandra, now that's the name of a girl on the "fast track" to success;)

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Never knew Brian Paddick had a feather cut;)

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spot the difference













:dflam:

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It's a shame when dementia sets in and your memory begins to fail. She was called Cressida.:rolleyes::D

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IF you believe all you read in the Daily Fail:rolleyes:
...misuse of body building steroids played a large part in his erratic behaviour

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go on then the one in the middle is a cartoon character:D

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That was her Sunday Name:D and that's even worse than Casandra:eek:

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Ya but you want to see the size of my


























Biceps Margaret:rolleyes:;)

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No thanks - What on earth gave you that idea? :eek:

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i find it ironic that idiots that take steroids to build muscle end up loosing out big time on what should be their most prized one lol


maybe penis envy lead to Mr Moats out burst after his woman got with a propper man

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Thought you were teasing me over taking steroids AGAIN:p

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No - I know there are different types

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Couldn't agree more accyman, I take medical steroids (I'm on a safe dose at the moment 5mg) but even they have side effects which I know all to well, but without them I'd be knackered as by body doesn't produce them naturally, so for me its the worst of two evils steroids or stop breathing

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Just testing;)

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busy week for gun crime , 5 more shot in brixton today

Five men wounded in London shooting - Yahoo! News UK

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Do you not remember Cressida's twin sister, Mustardia?

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The full, bizarre radio interview with Gazza.

YouTube - Gazza talks on radio about his friend Raoul Moat!

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I think I am going strange, I agree with all that is said about the mentality (recently) of moate, and the ridiculous circus that the media have turned this into AGAIN!! In moates letter to the police, it was obviously edited to suit the police, it was supposed to be 49 pages, in the form of a complaint about, and a threat to, the police in general. I believe this 'man' at the very least feels he was a victim of sorts, that he was harrassed by the police when he was making at least an attempt to keep out of trouble, as he said 'but you wouldnt let it go', when and if the full story ever comes out, I am willing to bet he was helped over the edge. I also belive that this should have been settled days ago, given todays technology, there is no way anyone could hide 'out in the open' for so long, had the right methods been applied,...Money? again? and putting the public in danger too? I will wait to see what happens without holding my breath.

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I agree.

Shrinks the testes, and addles the brain.

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Oh those salad days:D

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There is a major difference here .... what a private citizen chooses to do in a given situation has nothing to do with organized law enforcement, which has to act within the law .... I think I mentioned too, quite a while ago, that if a private citizen chooses to act outside the law, then that is his concern, and then that person will have to face the law after the fact. But that does not apply to police forces, which have to uphold the law. And to the courts also ... an individual may choose, for whatever reason, to exact revenge without considering the legal nicities. But the police and the courts cannot do this.

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Maybe ... but people like Moat are all over the world (they most commonly crop up in the US; the home of trigger happy cops, brutal prisons, and the death penalty) ... And I still believe that limits on the press are limits on our freedoms .... I think Milton wrote along these lines in the 1640s in his "Areopagitica" (I could google this, but sometimes I prefer to be old fashioned and use my memory).;)

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I am not suggesting that news reporting should be censored(as such), but that the wall to wall coverage, with little that is really newsworthy being reported.should be reined in, or reported to the general population after the event, instead of the blow by blow account of events.

These broadcasts really did not show the police in the best light, and I feel they will have done irreparable harm to the confidence the general public have in the ability of the police to handle a major incident.

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As a member of the General Public, I can honestly say that no harm irreparable or otherwise has occurred to affect my confidence, I know the Police are and always have been incompetent, just like all the rest of us.

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Well, Less that's Ok too......they have confirmed what you already knew, but some folks believe these programs on TV where the police show themselves to be technologically assisted and in control....all of the time.

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Although some people from that certain that area have told me ' moaty ' was generally jolly and popular when he was well know as a doorman in newcastle,it dont change that he had to be stopped..HOWEVER he had 4 days just outside a village not a city ?? ,and when 4 armed army vans where brought in from northern ireland at a cost of £ 50,000,yet four school teachers jobs are in threat in that same village it makes wonder where 'the big society' is .yea cost cutting,right..should have just send gazza in with his bread,lager and fishing rods :rolleyes:

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I think we grew up in an age Margaret where it took days for news to filter through to the general public, but this day and age its instant access. Only 15 years ago or even less, if you were away from home you had to find one of those red boxes to make a call, now nearly everybody has a red box in their pocket, unfortunately I don't think we can ever turn the clock back, or for that matter would we want too

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And that is exactly what they are doing, If that Countries Laws have the provision for lethal force you can guarantee at some point it will be used, the guy on the ground must make that decision good or bad & if that means someone will be shot/tazered well that is one of the harsh realities of modern life.

If that officer decides not to shoot he risks personal Death & Injury & no accounting what is likely to happen to the wider public. I don't know if you are referring to specific incidents or not, but what we tend to get filtered through to us from the media are these terrible killing sprees, which can only be stopped with a well aimed shot, is shooting such a wrong decision to make then when you consider the likely outcome of not shooting ?

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In circumstances like this.....I think I would answer 'Yes'.

The news people move in and take over. They bombard us with stuff that isn't news....it is just sensationalising what is, a tragic event.
It may be that we feel that the criminal got what he deserved, but what about the families of those who are involved......the innocent man who was killed, the ex girlfriend who was shot??
No thought is ever given to them.

Let the locals be informed, but stop these vultures from moving in and telling us what the crims grandma had for her breakfast.

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Well Margaret I said at the time, When Brown announced the GE I didn't watch another news program until a week after the event, I used to watch BBC breakfast from 6am until 9-15am every morning, but even now I only put it on about 8am and don't watch any other news program, I use the Internet and Ceefax then I can choose what I read or watch, and no I don't buy the Daily Mail either;)

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H. L. Mencken observed that "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public"; and it seems as if the British media now operates according to his dictum.

However, it seems as if you are suggesting that the media act according to your values ... in other words you are setting yourself up as censor.

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that seems a strange arguement to me, using that theory terrorists should be allowed to use free speech.:confused:

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Such news stories are almost treated as a reality TV show......and that can't be good....it trivialises what is a serious event....and I don't think I am setting myself up as a censor......I am not saying that news should not be reported per se, I am saying that more selectivity should go into the reporting.....I am getting fed up with the trivial, sensationalisation of what are grave human tragedies. I think there is a difference, but I am sure you will correct me if you think I am wrong.

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I can understand your reticence to watch the news, because they do over-report, what to them, are major events. I suppose they are major events to us too, but there are only so many ways you can present things to the population and the population soon get tired of hearing the same things over and over.
i think the Election suffered as a result of this, and of course the leaders debates too...they(imo) trivialised the election, and didn't tell us much...smoke and mirrors....turned a lot of people off politics.

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You may well be right, it may be that too much coverage by the media helps to trivialise serious events, but like the rest of us if you don't like it you do have an on/off button.
:)

(I know I chose not to watch the main event live, but I did catch up later with all the repeats).

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Yes, you are right Less...and I didn't watch the goings on in my own house, but it was on the TV as background when I went over to someone else's home....
Like Jaysay, I rarely watch the news on Tv these days....I don't watch much TV full stop.
I rely on the internet....you can choose how much or how little to view......plus, do you know any house where the female is allowed to have control of the remote control(other than those where no man resides)?

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What a trivial excuse for not being able to decide what is or isn't watched in your own home! Ever since the sagging tit's brigade screamed for equality, men haven't had much say either at home or elsewhere, he may be allowed to hold the control, but if he wants to hear a programme rather than her nagging in the background, he had better switch to the channel she chooses.
:D

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i do know another house, its about 50/50 here.:)

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No Less, not a trivial excuse at all.......my other half holds onto the remote control with the grip of a jewish miser(even when he is asleep and watching whatever is being played on the back of his eyelids).
I don't nag either, I accept that there is very little on the box that is worth nagging over....and let him have whatever he wants to watch, on the screen...but just let him dare to try and take over my internet....then the fur will fly.

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What was it that renowned Scott William Wallace said, you can take away our lives but you'll never take our Internet:D

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The famous saying is:-
May I be allowed to paraphrase that? (30 odd years ago I wouldn't even have to ask!).

:D

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It's time that the media maggots who swarm like blowflies over everything and everybody in their rush to satisfy whatever leaning they adhere to were brought to book. I know from past experience that much valuable police time is inevitable wasted on dealing with these parasytes who are blatantly unable to accept the fact that their presence at any given major incident is both unwarranted and uneccessary, unless asked for. It is also fact that some trials have been affected by sub-judicy intervention by the media, but rarely have they been censured or brought to book for their irresponsible behaviour. Pity Moat didn't choose a reporter for target practice rather than the unfortunate police-officer who has been disfigured for life just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Don't tar all women police officers with the same brush. I served for a while under a woman inspector, Wynn Darwin who had more about her than many of her male counterparts. So much so that a TV series was made parallelling her career and filmed in the Rossendale Valley. Don't recall the name of the series, but I know it was well received at the time.

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I see Moat's family are now critiscising the police. Does anyone recall them actually speaking to the media during the week critiscising Moat for committing murder and attempted murder ?

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I know at times as an ex copper you're the nearest thing we have to an official voice, (notice I didn't say accurate):-

Sub judice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You obviously did your last bit of revision before this act came into power, or maybe, because you were towards the end of your career, no longer felt the need for revision?

:)

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Don't you mean this one Less?
Behind every dumb Shmuck there's a woman clearing up the mess :D

I am not a feminist, never was.....I believe that the maker of the universe made women to complement men....not to take their place.

I think your past experience with the female of the species has made you a tad cynical Less.