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And there is nothing in the Bible about celibacy of the priesthood ... but don't hold your breath:rolleyes:;)

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Well that's another story Eric but as a RC I think its time that priest should be allowed to marry, or there will be no priest in the future. Last year there were only three priests ordained in the Salford diocese, at one time there would be as many as 20 every year

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Not only offensive; they are great for hiding explosives:hidewall:

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LOL!! And so true too!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Just as a side issue, i've just been taking my washing off the line, and heard a wailing noise coming from the Town Centre/Blackburn Road area, i've heard it a couple of times lately, but hadn't noticed it previously. I'm assuming its from a Mosque calling people to Worship, it must seem rather loud if you live near that way, because i'm on Avenue Parade!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Na it will be Less calling the faithful to the afternoon session in the research centre:D

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Lol!!.....More likely to put me off though...sounded like someone throwing up!!:D


Best Regards - Taggy

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Aye..well just wait till Ramadan starts, sometime in the second week in August. No exact date yet - it all depends on what the moon decides to do. My guess is they've had a new wailer rigged up somewhere off Blackburn Rd and they've been giving it a few run-outs. My suggestion is if you want some peace then get out of town from about 10th August for about a month.

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But Where to Tealeaf every bloody towns got um:rolleyes:

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Could go to Wales...all public announcements there, by law have to be bi-lingual so it's unlikely you'd get a couple of verses of the Koran waking you up in Welsh and Arabic at 5am.

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Oh come on Tealeaf I'd sooner have a month in Burnley than Wales:rolleyes:

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Rather have the wailing than the taffys singing, we'll keep a welcome in the hillside.:D

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I only suggested it because i know how much you boys like sheep..

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There's definitely summat similar about the accent tho!!!;)

Best Regards - Taggy

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Excuse me asking heth, but whats that got to do with Frogs banning the Burka;):confused::confused:

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Ya but you didn't say that heth, ;)

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you'll have to get in the queue heth, behind Less, katex and MargaretR :D

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Burnley College 'bans visitors from wearing veil' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

The ban comes closer to home:rolleyes:

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I wonder how many people would be willing to wear the burqa if they knew it's origin?

It was used by prostitutes to hide their identity. Hence a reference in the Old Testament to the guy who didn't recognise his daughter plying her trade by the roadside...

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Day 1 of the formal ban and Les Flics are already making arrests. No doubt in a few months time the European Court will rule the French action unlawful and no doubt the French government will completely ignore the ruling.

Meanwhile, I'm seriously thinking of joining the French Foreign Legion in order to get French citizenship. Does anyone know the upper age limit?

Beau Geste here we come.

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Does that mean you'll have to stick of garlic too Tealeaf:D

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Does Garlic come in stick's now John?! :lol:

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oh tea youv'e just missed it your just over the 40yrs age limit to join the foreign legion:p

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Anybody caught forcing women to wear them they are going to get fined 30 thousand euro's and upto 2 years in prison... wow thats a hefty fine!!

Muslim girl at work told me that muslim women are not actually forced or required to wear them, or at least not supposed to, to her knoledge

I don't know how people can find them offensive. I do find them a bit weird though.

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this item of clothing is not in itself offensive, but it does stop these women who wear them from integrating or even interacting in the most basic way........we (the human race) recognise each other by facial features.
The wearing of this clothing is an indication that the woman wearing it does not want to be part of western society.......it is also used as a badge of devoutness......now forgive me, but I think that is immodest, almost arrogant......'I am holier than you' sort of thing.
Also, it is a great security risk.........anyone could be under one of those tent-like garments.....and could resist the possibility of being searched because the garb signifies a woman.

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good :)

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They should certainly be banned from wearing them whilst driving. Saw one burkha-clad female driving along Burnley Road last week veering from side to side whilst texting on her mobile phone, and she had kids in the car with her.

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Let's face It we all have to have rules and now after all these years France have got one.Don't knock It out of hand.:eek::D:D

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Have they not surrendered yet Beni:rolleyes::D

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my guess is those that willingly wear them only do so because it is drummed into them from an early age to expect to wear them.Its abit like how we are subjected to sunday school and brainwashed into believing there is a god while our minds are young and very impresionable.

iv pobably said this earlier in this thread but i asked an asian taxi driver why they were worn and he said to show respect for their husbands but didnt have an answer when i asked why he wasnt wearing one to show respect for his wife

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But Officer ........ that is my official picture ! :D

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for some reason teh french are allowing them to be worn whilst driving still which i would have thought would have been in the top 5 reasons for not allowing them to be worn.

just as you think the french have got somthing right they drop that clanger lol.

but respect where respect is due they did torpedo the rainbow warrior and that act alone secured my respect for the french.This burkah thing is a just a bonus :)

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Was reading somewhere on line (not the mail) that there have been few protests in France with only two arrests, seems there were more protests in this country:rolleyes:

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It's from your other favourite paper of course! :D

"While only a handful of people protested in France, fundamentalists were out in force in London."

Read more: Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | World News :: Call for UK burka ban grows after arrests in France

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Well I said it weren't the Mail:D

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Just goes to show how easily "British (fundamentalist) Muslims" take offence ! So this is tolerant multi-culturalism is it ? We're all just getting along fine together I see. :rolleyes:

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I call that being given too much of own way oer here.:rolleyes:

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one of teh arrests was a muslim from the uk who deliberatly went there to protest and break their law.She is now taking it to the european court so expect cherie blairs ugly mush on the news soon and probably a legal aid bill for teh UK as well

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lol nice highlighting there dave

fundamentalist - islam putting the fun into mental lol :D

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Maybe it looks better with the burkha than without!

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maybe you Brits should have followed the American line , we killed our Indians , you 'educated' yours :eek: :eek:

:hidewall:

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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One word SJ "Curry". ;) :D

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I like it:D However, my friend Tanya, who is looking over my shoulder, doesn't. So ... you are the object of an ancient Mohawk curse. You may notice, when you wake up tomorrow, that you are a soprano:eek::D .... a bald soprano.:D

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What ! Tony ? Will he have to move to New Jersey ? Mind you, nice house though, but sticky end. ;)

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Except at the Little Big Horn SJ:conny::conny::conny::D

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Whilst on holiday in Egypt we saw alot of women swimming in these, others just floundered about fully clothed!!

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Just dug this out of my inbox,
Subject: Tolerance


Mosque at Ground Zero


I came across the following this morning. I can't fault the logic of it!

"I am perplexed that so many of my friends are against a mosque
being built near Ground Zero. I think it should be the goal of every
American to be tolerant. The mosque should be allowed, in an effort
to promote tolerance.

That is why I also propose that two gay nightclubs be opened
next door to the mosque thereby promoting tolerance within the
mosque. We could call the clubs "The Turban Cowboy" and "You Mecca Me
So Hot".

Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork
and have an open barbecue with spare ribs as its daily special.

Across the street a very daring lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps
Nothing Secret" with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the
goods.

Next door to the lingerie shop, there would be room for an
Adult Toy Shop (Koranal Knowledge?), its name in flashing neon lights,
and on the other side a liquor store, maybe call it "Morehammered"?"

Might be tasteless and not very PC, but makes the valid point that tolerance is a two way process!

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We actually had a thread a while back based on this little observation. ;)

Mosque at Ground Zero

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yeah the mayor of new york was basically told to shut up and obama pushed the mosque through after objections by the people were ignored.Obama is a muslim so its no real shock he would push for it and support it.He may have changed his faith for political advancement but hes still muslim at heart.The mosque isnt been built on teh actual grounds of teh twin towers but near enough to cause offence

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So what proof have you got that Obama is a muslim?

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Cordoba House, the' Ground Zero Mosque', is a proposed Islamic cultural centre, which, in addition to a prayer room, will include a basketball court, restaurant, and swimming pool. Its aim is to improve inter-faith relations.

Incidentally the planned site is two blocks from where the Twin Towers used to be.

Here's a list of innocent victims of the terorrist attacks on New York...who happen to have been Muslim.

Muslim Victims of 9/11 - Muslim Victims of the 9/11 Terrorist Attack

As for religious tolerance, you could easily substitute the word mosque for a Baptist church in Hicksville, or the Vatican City. A place where there are similarly no gay nightclubs, or lingerie shops. Which sadly means many of the stocking and sussie wearing priests have to travel elsewhere, if they want to dance with each other to a high-energy beat.

;)

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he openly admits he was a muslim and i find it hard to believe he abondoned his faith for any other reason than that he would never get elected as president as a muslim.Just because he switched to christianity dosnt mean his heart is in it .People switch faiths all the time to get what they want wether it be switching to catholism to get married in a church they want or switching faith to gain votes they wouldnt otherwise get.

no way would the mosque have been allowed so near to the site of 9/11 if bush or any previous president was in charge and if obama spitting in the faces of the families of those that died that day dosnt show hes still in favour of islam over common decency then i dont know what is

feel free to read up on the situation regarding the mosque and obamas involvement in pushing it through iv already done the work in a previous thread last year if its still there

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Obama wrote in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-01-22/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

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I don't really care what his religion is but to settle the dispute
YouTube - Obama Admits He Is A Muslim

He is a puppet whichever way he kneels:rolleyes:

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To deny being a Muslim and/or changing religion is Apostasy and the mandatory sentence for that is death and every Muslim is required to attempt to comply with that edict. Pretty certain that is stated in the Koran

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If it is thought that a culture center is a good idea to increase understanding of different faiths then so be it but to place an islamic center so close to the site of 9/11 is just beyond belief and in bad taste.If i was unfortunate to have lost somone on that day in those towers i wouldnt want to hear islamic calls for prayer blasting out while i remembered my loved one and that is also one of the main reasons people who have lost family there protested against the building of the mosque/culture center as well as the obvious bad taste.

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How's that going to work ? :confused: The kick off is bad enough over separate sessions for swimming Muslim only/Men/Women, then throw in the Blacks & the Whites, Jews & other Kuffar, see that's going to be a right barrel of laughs isn't it ? As to the Basketball, so much uncovered sweaty flesh running round the Basketball court & half way through a game you've got to stop while they get out their mats & pray to Mecca ! No, don't see it getting much mileage somehow. :rolleyes:

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Just as all Christians don't follow the ten commandments, with one of the tenents being that adultery is a mortal sin, even if it's just a thought, similarly not all Muslims are fundamentalists.

I believe Muhammad Ali bared quite a lot of flesh, and got quite sweaty when playing sport...at the same time as being a devout Muslim.

This centre is two blocks away from Ground Zero. A good five minutes walk.

People of many, and no faith were killed by terrorists that day, who were using a religion as a cover for acts of wickedness.

To demonise a whole religion, because of a few evil zealots, and get all hysterical because an Islamic centre is planned to be built half a mile away from where a terrible act of terorrism was carried out, is stupid.

I'm the first one in the queue, when it comes to fighting religious tolerance.

Sadly this applies to many of our world's religions...not just one.

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You seem to be under the illusion that Muslims, of all sects, live similar lives.

They don't.

Just as all Christians don't picket the funerals of solidiers killed in war zones, carrying placards stating God Hates Fags.

Go to a secular country like Turkey, which has a Muslim majority population. You'll see many Muslim women and men bathing together on that country's beaches, some even wearing bikinis.

;)

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Granted, but it'll only take one malcontent, doesn't matter which side they're from & the niggles will start & folk will polarise along typically divisive lines. It's just inherent in human nature, even the most sainted of us have a point at which we will react to a perceived sleight, snide comment or slur.

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Er...yeah, and it only takes one loony, inspired by their religion, to bomb American clinics, where they carry out terminations.

Terrorists use any excuse to do what they do.

Though religion is a common choice.

You only have to look at Ireland for an example.

;)

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By Jesus.

You are a sensitive soul.

Good job you aren't gay.

If you took notice of all the world's religions' 'sleights and slurs', you'd never leave your house.

;)

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I don't care if it does offend anyone.

I've firmly come to the conclusion that anyone who needs a religion, to act as their crutch in life, are sadly lacking in self-confidence, and intellect.

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No need Rindy ! There's a fairly large Turkish population here in Germany & you see attitudes that encompass the whole spectrum, good & bad, the thing is I can to some point empathise with these migrants as I myself am also a migrant to this Country (although I don't face the same prejudices due to being a white European, I easily blend in).

They also tend to have their own areas in most of the major Cities (but not exclusively) similar to UK & like those in the UK some partake of & embrace the Culture of their adopted home while others don't, that said though, they are not as obnoxious & vociferous as some of their Counterparts in the UK tend to be, they very seldom take to the streets demanding (in my view) as most are aware of their somewhat tenuous right to remain should they become a nuisance to their hosts, this respect (or fear if you will) is somewhat lacking within the UK.

So in general the German Turks (Muslims) aren't a bad bunch & the majority I've interacted with during my time here have been reasonable people, some are 3rd/4th generation & see themselves more as, Germans with Turkish roots, easy to get along with (there has been the occasional arse admittedly) quietly going about their lives without the need to ram Islam in the face of their hosts.

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Can't fault that G. I'm an RC but I can't ever think that I've used the fact as crutch, otherwise I'd have been a babbling fool for the last 30 years. Can't think that if I'd have gone to Church every day and prayed that my health problems would have been any different, can't remember prayer ever saving anybody or healing them, no matter what people say, it don't happen

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Been there ! Seen it ! Done it ! Got the T-shirt, again everyone threw rocks & petrol bombs at us, don't recall anyone asking my choice of crutch first though ! ;) The fact I was wearing a fetching little DPM number was enough, I don't know religious fashion critics ! Who needs 'em ? :)

For those who require it, yes. But as to the whinging & wanting, I'm owed a living crowd, do one ! :D

Oy ! look what you've made me do now you Rindy, Clouds & daffodils come to mind. :s_aim1:

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Certainly plenty of websites claiming he is a muslim (although a large number of them seem to be right wing nut jobs and other conspiracy theorists) but there's also plenty that say that he isn't

BBC News - Growing number in America believe Obama a Muslim -poll

If he'd gone to all the trouble to switch to Christianity just to get elected, why would he then blow it all by openly admitting that he was a muslim? After all, I'm sure he's going to run for office again at the next election, so he'd surely want to keep it covered up? What's more, if he had admitted to being a muslim, I'm sure it would have caused much more of a furore in the world's media.

I remain unconvinced!

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good posts garinda... you say it better than i do

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Tempting, isn't it? :D ;)

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Ya thought I was dicing with death when cashy Less Beni mick and yourself are knocking about, but their again I just thought to myself it takes one to know one Wyn:D

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We are talking Americans here. You know, folks who believe that the National Enquirer is a newspaper:eek: If you have the stomach for it, a brief tour of some of the "Aryan" websites reveal the beliefs of millions of Americans. "Obama a Robot Created by Space Aliens" (They are always "Space Aliens" to distinguish them from wet backs), would be a headline that the nutbar element in the US would give instant credence to. The wierdos tend to be more numerous south of the Mason-Dixon line and in the wilds of places like Montana; however, they can be found everywhere. For example, most Republican congressmen in DC:rolleyes: ...... I'm sure you get the idea.

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And now we have a burka ban in Canada .... although it seems reasonable to insist that muslim women must show their faces when they take the oath of Canadian citizenship, muslims don't like it (like I give a rat's ass). As Immigration Minister Jason Kenney puts it: "If Muslim women feel uncomfortable about taking off their niqabs to swear allegiance to Canada, then maybe they picked the wrong country to call home." Way to go Jason:alright:

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Rock 'n' Roll, Eric - that's the way to go!

I see you boys have also just pulled out of this global warming/Kyoto nonsense! Congratulations - please let me know where I can get my kanuk passport from and if we can get it expedited quick I'll be over there shortly with a couple of crates of Thwaites Bomber for me and thee.

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I think the stance of the Australians is very similar.
No-one forces these people to move to countries where the Niqab is not favoured.

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Yup ... Kyoto is a dead issue here ... Lot's of folks in the world are upset; but Canada's point is that without the world's two major polluters, USA and China, on board, it's a waste of time. Especially as we produce only 2% of the world's greenhouse gasses. Also, we have the world's third largest reserves of oil (and growing all the time), and our government is looking at the ecomomic impact of scaling down our oil production. I think that the rest of the world is going to have to used to a new, pushier, less warm and fuzzy Canada.:alright:

And I'll supply some good Canadian rye to go with the bomber;):D

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Yep...bang on Eric. I see the fine - should the Canadian government have paid it - would have been a one off £8bn; meanwhile, here in the UK, we're forking out £30bn every year in order to comply with Kyoto and a set of associated dodgy EU rules. That's everything from extra money on the gas and electric bills, through to building windmills (which don't work when it's cold and catch fire and collapse when it's windy) through to carbon emission trading schemes and the like...totally crazy. Still, some buggars are making money out of the scam...but not us.

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I knew there were some damn good reasons why I like the Canadians. :D

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Canada rocks, Eric. Do you get to have dual nationality over there?

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Yeah...well, it used to be British and British.

Dunno what it is now though.

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Canadian and Claytonian (Bottom Ender) in Eric's case.

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Like Canada, the UK produces only2 % of the worlds greenhouse gases....and now it is debatable whether these are actually repsonsible for climate change........credibility of the climate change brigade is melting faster than the polar ice caps....don't get me started, this is another subject that causes my hackles to rise.

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always said the be green garbage was never about climate change but a way of convincing us that charging extra for things we need or enjoy is saving our planet.

Never seems to be high tax on things people dont enjoy or need does there ;)

The UK trying to stop global warming by washing tins out and energy saving light bulbs etc while USA and China do nothing is the equivalent of turning up after an earthqauke with a dust pan and brush

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Yeh try buying a 100 W,bulb at any of the big stores, i did today, The E.U. have told us to stop producing em i was told.:mad:

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You can still buy them on ebay
10 X LIGHT BULBS BC BAYONET CAP PEARL 100W 60W 40W WATT | eBay

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Yes you can if you wish ... but, for better or worse, ... and I think it's better .... I chose to be a Canadian. Never regretted it, never will. But, I'll never forget where I came from: Clayton, bottom end ... Lancashire.:alright:

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Hell could you just imagine a politician saying that in this country, Pole Dance Polly in the Guardian, would be doing handstands down White Hall calling for him/her to be beheaded :eek::eek:

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Ya I don't have much time for the hug a polar bear cranks either:mad:

David Attenborough, wouldn't recommend such action either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...=feeds-newsxml

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A link from the Mail Less:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::D

I like to make you feel as if you're amongst friends.

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Oh I always feel that Less. well most of the time anyway:)

Good, boy now go lie down in your box and I'll take you walkies later, (we won't go past that Ken Mosses house today, he's very keen about me using my pooper scooper whenever I take you out).

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Ya we wouldn't want him to be chasing down Blackburn Road waving a £1000 pound fine notice would we:rolleyes: