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I see that the French lower house in their National Assembly have voted by a margin of 335-1 to ban the wearing of the full veil - Burka, Hiqab - in public. Can you imagine our lot voting on this? My guess is it would be 335-1 the other way. Lets just hope the Frogs can get this made into European law, because that will be one law I will fully back.

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Apparently it needs final confirmation sometime in September when it goes before the Senate.

French parliament set to approve veil ban - Europe, World - The Independent

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If Raoul Moat had have had any intelligence, he would have slipped on a Burka.

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Don't matter sod alls gonna happen, some millionaire has already pledged £1 million to pay the fines of anyone that gets done, also other businessmen are promising similar.:rolleyes: fines only gonna be 125 euros or so.:rolleyes:

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Knowing the Frogs, any businessman that comes out with this will immeadiatly lose any government contracts, will have his books examined in minute detail and will generally have his life made hell.

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Probably so T, but doubt there are very few multi- millionaires dumb enough to take that on board without knowing the score.;)

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Muslims 1 Frogs 0:rolleyes:

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One thing about the Frogs is that they don't mess about with any of this civil rights nonsense. Any of you two ever come up against the CRS? I can tell you a little story about them, me and a Parisian dust cart - but that will have to be for another time. Otherwise, you should be old enough to remember the Paris 'Massacre' of October 1961, the last time some of the French North African muslims decidied to protest against French policy. If their Assembley votes by these overwhelming numbers, you can be dam sure they are not going to mess about and allow for any compromise, given the fact the Belgians, Dutch and Italians are going down the same road.

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It won't happen here anytime soon though Tealeaf

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That was my original point.

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It won't happen again oer yon is my point,IMHO. the world has changed big time in last 50yrs, not always fer the better.

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not with statistics like these it wont :rolleyes:

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Bring back Enoch Powell - The supreme function... One of the best pollies England how true he was.

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lol i saw this on another forum covering this topic and just had to share :D

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Can you please translate accyman:rolleyes::D looks like too much writing or a simple no:p

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In a survey yesterday it said that by 2050 the population of GB will have risen to 70 million. at the moment 1 in 10 are of ethnic origin by 2050 it will be 1 in 5, very scary:eek:

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Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Brussels go-ahead for new wave of migrants
Don't suppose this helps either accyman;)

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Death to all white Dog infidels & their grandmothers !! Oh & No thank you, we'd like to keep our wimmen in their places thank you very much.
yours O.B.L :D

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Oh thanks Dave now we know:D:D

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What's scary about it .... Canada is already at 20% .... and we are doing ok.:alright:

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Aye, but what is the ethnic mix in Canada ? Who are the peoples/nationalities that make up the numbers over there ? Also their attitude to their adopted Country ?

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A burka has advantages, at least you wouldn't have to put lippy and mascara on in a morning and believe me there are mornings I could do with one!!!!!

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I don't use that muck on my face anymore.
The only indulgence towards vanity that I use is -
.........I put my teeth in :)

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apparently the polish residents in the UK are against the burka as well because they keep getting confused when the post box keeps moving when they try posting a letter home :confused:

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It's all to easy to forget ain't it.. the Polish pilots that were among the best and the Polish troops who gave thier lives in the belief that this this nation was an allie.. now some seem to despise them or feel threatened..lets be up front about this nobody likes any sort of immigration unless it's someone like madonna.. or maradonna.. people with money.

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Not at all Mancie, just think people are getting fed up of this country being used. If you can't see that then maybe its about time you took off your rose tinted glasses. Why is it other countries can ignore the dictate of the EU but our folks just roll over? We can't just carry on letting people come here willy nilly, like other countries we should stipulate that if they can't support theirselves they can't come in. Is it likely to happen?? I think not but meanwhile our resources are being eaten into all the time, our health service is being abused as is our education system besides other FREE benefits. Immigration needs to be capped pronto!!!!

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first of all anyone who fought beside us fought beside us out of self preservation because they didnt fancy what would happen if hitler won teh war and your argument works both ways because our country didnt exactly sit back and let every other country do all teh work .Our country fought in that war as well.WW2 was a joint effort and yes we shoudl be greatfull for those countries that helped fight off hitler but theres no need for us to feel any burden of debt because every country that helped fight against hitler benefited from the result.You dont hear of the british going to france and saying can we have special treatment because we realy pulled you out of a tight spot in ww2

secondly yes i do object to polish and other nations citizens been able to work here and claim child tax credits for children not even in this country and also that british workers should not be laid off so that companies can employ cheaper workers from outside the UK but i wont go round bricking their windows for it because its our weak and foolish govenments past and present that have led to the UK been the biggest set of mugs in the world

if poland had a working tax credits system where UK citizens could go take a polish mans job ,free health care and have the polish tax payers send my family back in england money we would be on a level pegging but as it is the UK has more to offer and less to gain and this is why the polish flock here yet UK citizens dont flock to poland.

poland is the equivalent of the friend that always borrows money yet never has any to lend when your stuck for cash.

as for madonna although not a big fan the last i checked she could easily afford to support herself and her bought kids

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Polish tax credits?... and so now it's got down to basic costs?.. the Polish defended this Nation.. and that is at the least we should do.. like I say forget.

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Thats a dumb arguement, other countries Poland included DO NOT have our benefits, so its down to basic costs why they aint.:rolleyes:

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Ya Eric but your 1 of the 20% :D

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and like i said the polish and other countries that were on our side didnt join the battle out of sheer generosity and sleflessness they joined in because they had a self interest in hitler not winning the war.Besides that how many gereations do you think should pass before we have shown enough grattitude because the ones coming over here wernt the ones fighting in ww2 and i dont see that we owe them a damn thing

if a 100 year old polish ex military person who fought in ww2 wants to come here then fair enough but i dont think we owe any debt to people whos grand parents may or may not have fought in ww2

and another thing we have plenty of elderly of our own who actualy fought in ww2 who have been neglected by government who we truely do owe a debt of gratitude to yet they get treated like second class citizens while free loaders pour into teh country.

poland shoudl never have been allowed to enter the EU they simply didnt have anything to bring to the table apart from cheap labour and thats how teh whole mess of imigration started in teh first place

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To be quite honest Bernie I've stopped read any left wing drivel Mancie puts forward, its the same old, same old, and your quite right other countries aren't as generous as we are, does anybody really thick that if the boot was on the other foot, and we went to another country, would we be able to claim benefits to the extent people do here, the answer is no chance, that's why these so called asylum seekers travel though 4, 5, maybe 6 countries to come here because we've become soft touch

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come on jaysay of course mancies gona support teh polish they make the best vodka lol

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Of course never gave that a thought accyman;)

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Clamp down on asylum seekers - who are here legitimately until proven otherwise - and you increase illegal immigration, which is a damn sight harder to spot.

The rules on asylum seekers are strange to say the least. You have to go to the nearest safe country, but if I were under threat and found lots of people that I didn't know from my old country I wouldn't consider it safe. I mind me of a guy who came here from Bulgaria and thought he was safe, over 1000 miles away, until someone gave him an umbrella the hard way.

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it wouldn't be harder to spot if we had decent Border Security...but our borders have been porous for so long now that it would be difficult to locate those who are here illegally.

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On a personal note, I find the Burka divisive....it tells me that the woman wearing it does not wish to integrate into the country that she and her family have chosen to adopt.
It isn't a religious requirement, it is a cultural thing and I would be very happy if we went down the same road as France and banned it in public places.

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similar sentiments wherever you read about this

we are in 2010 not the stone age, some cultures have moved on from teh dark ages where women were mere comodities and beaten into conforming

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The thing is accyman the Burka is being worn now by more women than ten years ago, why!!!!!

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thats obvious, as women get older, they get uglier.:hidewall:

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No, it isn't that, there are more muslim women in the country than 10 years ago...so you are bound to see more of them in the Burka, also I think the publicity surrounding the issues has made some of these women adopt it as a cultural identity......and a badge that says they do not wish to integrate.

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I suppose it is possible to get the breakdown of the ethnic mix, but it's not really all that productive or important. Then there are regional differences: in Quebec, for example, there is a large community of Haitians because of the language thing. In Kingston, there are thriving communities of Portuguese, Italians, Koreans, and Chinese. I read in the local rag a few weeks ago, that by 2020 two out of three people in the GTA will be "visible minorities".

The last question is difficult, and hard to quantify ... but, I would say that the attitude of immigrants is largely positive. They seem to be glad, and thankful that they are Canadians. And they seem to have a positive impact on our culture.

It does seem as if it is more difficult to get into Canada than it is to get into Britain and take advantage of the system.

And then there are people like me who just came for the beer:alright:

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I don't think its so much that Margaret, one report I heard last week said that Muslim women, who have lived here for many years have now decided to wear the burka, god on knows why, or should that be Allah;)

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John, I have addressed that point, it is to promote their cultural identity...(it has nothing whatsoever to do with their religion), and it is to segregate themselves from the western way of life.

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In that case there's plenty of room from whence they came, the old say when in Rome springs to mind:mad:

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Funny really, despite working in a strict Muslim, I must have only seen 2 or 3 women. in full Veil or Burka.
Makes a change to come home to it on every street.

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very funny, was same in Alexandria, n Cairo last year hardly any.;)

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well what can you expect? They have all moved over here :D

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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How is it "left wing drivel" to appreciate the role of our allies in the war?

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Every thing you write on here is left wing drivel, or left wing orientate aimed at trying very poorly to score political points, end of story

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It isn't ... but most seem to be kissing the asses of our former enemies - you know, those wonderful folks who brought us the Blitz and Auschwitz - and this tends to make them forget the actions those who were our allies.

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Not quite following your's and Mancie's line of argument. There seems to be some sort of rule that EU citizens from other countries (not just Poles) can claim child benefit for children who are not over here with them, but are in their country of origin. Because Polish airmen and others fought side-by-side with us in WW2, we should accept this? Can't see the logic in that.

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you are kidding eric, or under a misapprehention? most folk i know have n intense dislike fer em, neer mind kissing asses, still suppose thats easy from across the pond,:rolleyes:

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Burkas are already against the law here.

The DDA because they discriminate against the deaf :D

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Apparently, banning it would be un-British according to Damian Green, the immigration minister.

This country spends a fortune on what it terms 'community cohesion' and yet the burqa is probably about as blatant a statement as it gets that there are pockets of society who have no intention of ever integrating with the British way of life.

Considering that a peck on the cheek would earn you 40 lashes in some Middle Eastern countries it would only seem respectful to adhere to the culture of whatever country you happen to live in, be it Pakistan or England.

I've just spent some little time working in France and my attempt to communicate in French went down a lot better than an opening gambit of 'Do you speak English?' which I heard a bit too regularly from other British visitors.

A bit of respect for native customs works wonders but ramming cultures together and expecting them to mix until we're all the same is about as likely as homogenised oil and water.

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Have just been listening to Damien Green on sky news, seems this is Front page of the Daily Mail this morning, am waiting patiently fer Jaysay to link it.:D:D

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The Trouble with GB Ken is that its nothing like any other country, in this country there are groups of people who think we should put foreigners first and GB citizens a poor second and are quite ready to fight for their rights though the courts and on legal aid to boot, this doesn't happen in any oher country but good old GB, so its no surprise when GB governments of any colour tread very carefully when it comes to things concerning Human Rights

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Told you yesterday cashy don't get the Mail any more and don't watch Sky News, only Sky Sports News:D

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yep but ya still post online links.:D

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Only when things are a little slow on here and I feel like upsetting Mancie:D

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So I presume it wasn't a "slow day" when that corpulent, useless Tory windbag, Clarke pronounced that prison didn't work and the government were going to cut down on prison places, so you didn't feel the need to tell us.

I venture to suggest that if a member of the previous government had made exactly the same pronouncement, it would magically have been transformed into a "slow day" and you would have rushed on here to copy and paste the story from one of your two favourite news sources, the Mail or the Express! ;)

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But of course Wyn, but I did use the Times occasionally only you have to pay to read it on line now mate and I'm very frugal with money these days;)

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Well, Jaysay, I reckon it's a slow news day today so here you are, have this one on me!

Banning burkas in the UK would be 'rather un-British', says Green | Mail Online

...oh dear, oh dear, she sounds just like those "do gooders" you're always going on about...it really wasn't supposed to be like this under the Tories, was it? :D

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:eek::eek::eek:Tories What Tories it Con/Libs:D

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No, the minister who actually said this...

A British Cabinet Minister today delivered a staunch defence of a woman's right to wear a burka.
Environment Secretary Caroline Spelman said women were 'empowered' by the freedom to wear the face coverings.

...is a Tory.

Now, go and have some birthday cake! ;)

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And rightly so.Indeed I propose a National One day a week wear a black mask day.

To that end I have (at my own expense) engaged a supplier at no more than £1 to supply 60 million said masks to all shoppers in major stores.

I appreciate this could cause some difficulties but the cost should be offset by the saving in wages to the people that run our several billion pounds worth of security cameras :hehetable

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Oh come on Wyn she's not a Tory she's a woman:hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::D

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So was Thatcher (or so the rumour goes). ;)

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Well she did have more balls than Ed:D

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Really:eek: But look at the quote. It says nothing about child benefits or other forms of welfare. It deals specifically with appreciation of the efforts of the Poles in WWll. Battle of Britain, Monte Cassino, Arnhem ... it is not an argument to mention "left wing drivel", merely argumentum ad hominem ... a whole bunch of which goes on when Mancie offers his opionion ...

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Anyway, the Syrians have now banned the Burka from their Universities and schools.

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well its a start

if only the uk could find the backbone it used to be renowned for and throw away the yellow bendy one thats been very poorly propping this countey up the past 25 years

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Maybe it's a question we should put to Graham Jones...would you vote to ban the Burka...Yes or No?

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Heard Belgium n Italy are doing the same, is that correct? also holland proposed it in 2005, but never got round to it.

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It can't be far off Cashy Geert Wilders has gained quite a lot of interest of late & the Dutch while quite liberal in their approach normally are getting a little irked by "Islamification" into their lifestyles.

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wsnt there an issue ragarding the dutch and a cartoon of some sort :D

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No - that was Denmark

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for some reason i get the two mixed up :o

didnt do too well in geography either :)

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i suppose it depends if he could keep his seat if he lost the muslim vote i guess

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Don't actually think that maters much accyman, think the Asian vote is split in Hyndburn, I also think most Muslims in Hyndburn are moderate so wouldn't make too much of a difference

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Could be wrong, but i'm under the impresssion the Muslim vote in hyndburn was split more to the conservative side? gawd knows why,:confused: but thats what i thought. so don't think jonesy would lose a great deal.:confused:

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It keeps swaying about cashy

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No, it was that he wanted to come to UK in 2009 to talk about his film/public warning "Fitna" but the then Home office Minister banned him stating :-

Mr Wilders, who lives with round-the-clock security after receiving death threats, said a letter from the British embassy informed him he was being refused entry because his views "threaten community harmony and therefore public security" in the UK.

Irrelevant of all the arrisholes running round free to preach hatred & that their way should apply to all (Who obviously aren't deemed to threaten community harmony ????? Double standards ??) Anyhow here's a link to the article, like I say it was last year.

Banned from Britain, Dutch campaigner against Islam - Home News, UK - The Independent

Incidentally he managed to get into UK in March this year

Islamophobia on tour: Wilders comes to Britain - Home News, UK - The Independent

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Just found this.................what on earth do they look like??!! :D:eek::D



Two Muslim women marched out of swimming pool in French holiday village because they were wearing burkinis | Mail Online

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i suppose with islams attitude towards women they should be thankfull the burkinis wernt made of wool ;)

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I thought the same thing myself accyman!!! maybe you have just give the blokes an idea?!:eek:

Wonder when we will see the first one in Hynburn Sports Centre?! :D

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Is the "burkin" or whatever a major problem in Accy?

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A few years ago I went for swimming lessons at Hyndburn sports centre.
Two asian girls were learning at the same time.
They were dressed in leggings and Tshirts.
At the third lesson the instructor advised them that their attire was inappropriate for health and safety reasons.
I did not go back for a fourth lesson (I injured my shoulder) so don't know whether they continued with theirs

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Whilst I do not agree that we should ban the burka in all Public places (even though they scare the pooh out of me) ... I do feel for Phillip Hollobone M.P., that he has the right to know who he is addressing. Even if we only class it as good manners:

Burka-ban MP faces court threat from human rights group | Mail Online

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Is the fact it scares ya, n probably scares others even more, not a valid reason to ban it.?:confused:

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I'd support a Ban. Quite frankly i find them offensive in this Country, and there's no way i would even attempt to communicate with anyone wearing one!!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Its funny Taggy, how very few in Egypt, or casablanca, as boeing guy will concur, wear them, yet oer here theres loads, that sends a signal to me, these folk have NO WISH at all to integrate.:( but i find it even more offensive that some pander to these people.:mad: when i have visited some of these countries, i expect to abide by their customs.

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Thing is Cashy we are Governed by lily livered politicians, who have encouraged and rewarded the pc based culture we see now. They have taken the Great out of Great Britain, and decided that we should allow, and even celebrate anything and everything that is "Culturally Diverse" as if by doing so it makes us bigger and better people!!......They then choose not to see the blindingly obvious, when such accomodating behaviour encourages those who would exploit, and see this for what it is...weakness, and thence use our own rules and regulations to insist upon "Their" rights to choose to do whatever they want...whether this is acceptable to those that welcome them or not!

Best Regards - Taggy

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It's even worse when they ride their push-bikes on the pavement at night with no lights on.:hidewall:

OK Start the car.:D:D

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Even senior Muslims say they should be banned as there is nothing in the Koran which says these garments are any part of Islam, end of

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This post has not gone unnoticed .... :p

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Oh dear,That was my first attempt at unification.:o.Just trying to calm the troubled seas (pavements) in my own little way.:D:D

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We have noticed you have a way with words Beni:D