Isn't It Time Cyclists re-claimed the road?
 

When I ask this I don't mean kiddies just starting out, I mean the full blown acrylic short & Dick head safety helmet wearing cyclists that are into their Mid-life crisis.
The number of times we, the ordinary people are walking along pavements only to hear, (if your lucky), 'excuse me, can I get Past'? Often it's, 'will you F' off out of the way'.

Well excuse me? of course you can get past, your all kitted out for YOUR safety, but you seem to have omitted the little bell that the highway code suggests you should have, so I as a pedestrian haven't much choice, HAVE I?

Silly me you only need a bell as a road user, not someone on the pavement!

If confronted and asked why not use the road, they claim it's too dangerous! Well let me tell you it was dangerous in the 50's, the 60's and every other decade but it's your choice, if you want safe roads for cyclists then form a protest,

DON'T EXPECT MYSELF AND FELLOW PEDESTRIANS TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH YOU!

You kit yourself out in protective gear but don't seem to care about our safety, you're a big boy/girl now, live with your choice leave the pavements for those it's meant for.
:mad:

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One of my pet hates that, Pavement Cyclists of the adult species should be shot.

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Thats to good for um

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Of course, for cyclists to re-claim the road, they will have to obey the rules of the road, no more cutting through traffic lights when they are on red, no more jumping off the road onto the pavement to take short cuts.

What they will have to become is responsible road users, somehow I can't see that happening, the rest of us are left having to consider them as horses and other animals, they are dumb & unpredictable, always give them a wide birth and whatever you do, don't knock one off his bike, it's your insurance that will suffer, he/she hasn't got any.

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My understanding is that it is against the law to ride a bike on the pavement - nor are you obliged to stop -as a motorist, for a cyclist on a pedestrian crossing.
Perhaps some of our politico members should take this problem up with the police?

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I do cycle and not on pavements. Though I did end up on one on Tuesday after work thanks to some skidmark in a car. Got a buckled wheel out of it. I have protective gear but it would have done me no good.

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The laws are already in place, it is up to the police to ENFORCE them, please don't try to turn this into a political thing just because that is what you are like.

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Seen the police riding on pavements as well. Even they aint daft enough to take their chances on the road. Never seen anyone pulled for it either.

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For all you little pedalists out there :- :)

Rules for cyclists (59-82) : Directgov - Travel and transport

Less this should please you, rule nr 64.

64You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
[Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129]

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Well known philosophy that, quite often used by your average plod

Do as I say & not as I do ! :D :D

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I nearly got run over on the pavement by the imitation policeman, (one of those warden thingamajigs), I notice that now if ever he sees me he moves back onto the road, quite right too, they should set the example of how our laws should be obeyed.

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It doesn't please me, it would please me if the plod took the time to apply the law, if I drove my car on the pavement I would soon see the brown stuff covering an artificial wind device, cyclists aren't above OR exempt from the laws of the road, (or the land).
:mad:

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Have you taken it up with the police or is this just another of your mindless whinges? If you are only prepared to whinge about it on here and not complain to the police yourself then why not make your views known directly to a Council Member, have you done that?
I am not turning this into a "political thing" - as you do not know me how can you say that this is what I am like?
I do not indulge in politics in any way as invariably the people that do have inflexible ideas and beliefs, I speak my mind, that is all, and if you do not like my points of view you always have the right to ignore them, just as I shall ignore all future comments/whinges of yours.

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Yet it is seems to be ok for motorists to force you on the pavement with their irresponsable actions. Me I am quite happy using the road but if a driver cannot see me despite lights and reflective clothing then they need their eyes tested. I would be quite happy to pay for insurance a bike mot etc. That seems to be the motorists biggest gripe.

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My words, what a wonderful phrase, Please ignore the rest of your post where you go on to tell us that you speak your mind, (you went to full capacity on that when you introduced yourself some time ago), you wanted to blame the politicians, well yes, perhaps your right, it's their fault because they haven't nagged the Police to enforce the laws that we have, OR perhaps it isn't their fault, the laws are in place with no excuse for the Police not to enforce them.

P.S. Love you too.

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That is why the title is:-
To get you off the pavement needs you and I to make sure you can use the road.
:)

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Can I go on a pavement to plough through Chavs though? Could be classed as street cleaning.

It is time that some did make sure that we as motorist and the pedal powered
realised the other is there and have the same rights on the road. I get road rage and I am cycling it gets that bad sometimes. Even heard cyclist being abused by drivers because they are on the road. I sometimes wonder if they would be happy if one of their family was clobbered by a wheel mounted pavement lout.

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Both are entitled to use the road, unfortunately the cyclist has been seen for far too many years abusing that privilege i.e. ignoring traffic lights.

This is of course wrong, but can you blame a motorist when he sees cyclists abusing the law and getting away with it? Time the cyclist showed that he is a worthy road user perhaps?

I doubt that anyone would be happy with that type of result, but perhaps it is time for a cyclist to take responsibility for him/herself? Why should the Onus always be on the motorist? Surely a decent cyclist would take out some form of insurance, after all it isn't always the car drivers fault.

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I assume then, that unlike many Countries in Europe there isn't an extensive network of cycle paths in UK for the pedalists to use & domineer ?

Believe me they're tinging their bell at you good style over here if you so much as step on their red denoted pathways, even old dears with sixteen stone of shopping & a zimmer frame aren't spared this harassment.

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I stick to the rules with them. Anyone ignoring em runs the risk of losing an argument with a car or clobbering a pedestrian waiting to cross (could be classed as assault or dangerous driving) over the road.

I take it serious on a road as I can be as much a danger to a motorist as they are to me.

Never tried to get insurance for a cyclist. Reckon the premiums would be high than that of a newly qualified 17 year old driver. Cyclists cause more trouble to motorists than the other way round. I have wing mirrors on mine so I dont have to turn round to see what is behind me. Also have brake light and rear indicators so those behind know my intentions and what i am doing.

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There is but usually in the big towns and cities.

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Bicycle and cycle insurance from Cycleguard

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Thank ya for the link.

£40 and that includes public liability cover. In shock!!!

Need a closer look though

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Not a problem, I'm glad that in showing this to you means this thread isn't as was suggested by a rather sensitive member:-

Perhaps we should have a law preventing him riding his high horse in public? I'll have a word with the politico's
:)

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It is a good idea then people cant say it is all one way. The fact that there is insurance shows that there are people out there that want it and would feel comfortable with it.

As for riding a horse is there insurance with that as well?

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I'm sure that there is insurance for horse riders.

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there is - I am sure mrs gg had public liability insurance when she had her horse and I have a stand alone policy on my bike, I cycle every day and not always but quite alot of time I get abused from car drivers etc..

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Try running a Red Light on a Friday night, think they'll enforce the law alright then Less :rolleyes:

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Coming out of Levenshulme last night, spotted (just about) a cyclist on a busy, but not that well lit road, no lights, dark clothing and on his mobile.. it didn't help that he was dark-skinned too ... :eek:

Agree, some very bad cyclists on the road, but can work both ways. My son cycles to work everyday and saw a comment on his Facebook page that he had developed a super hero power .. invisibility, which is only activated when he's on his bike and pedestrians are crossing the road or drivers pulling out of junctions. Yes, he wears all the gear including hi-viz waistcoat, etc.

Will always be disrespectful people on the roads and that can includes pedestrians.

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Just a warning for people thinking of taking a stroll in Ossy in the near future, I'm digging my wheelchair out and am contemplating terrorising the footpaths:D:D:D

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C'mon ... on that tiny island:hidewall: with a population density of about 1,000 sq/km there just ain't room for cycle paths ...

What pees me off is when there are cycle paths available, and there is no shortage in Kingston, the morons still prefer the sidewalks:mad: (over here the pavement is reserved for cars, trucks and buses;)).

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I think I may have offered before, but I still have a fairly decent motor from a '92 Harley Road King. With a few modifications it might just fit your wheelchair;)

All you will need is a badassed brain bucket, tastefully decorated with skulls and demons, and you will be good to go:theband:

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I got abuse from a woman crossing the road because I didnt stop for her - when infact she walked out infront of me! I asked if she would have done that if I were a car and she replied of course not but I was on a bike so should have stopped:eek:...
and even if you are lit up like a christmas tree some drivers still wont see you..I have been nearly knocked off my bike by some drivers undertaking other motorists and coming up behind me in the cycle lane and then forcing me kerbside to get past, I have had cars overtaking on the other side of the road and coming at me head on ( but hey thats my fault he said?), I have also had car drivers open their doors onto cycle lanes when I have been going full pelt down the road and I can tell you its a hairy few seconds to then have them say 'oh I didnt know you were there - even though they passed me a few mins previous to get where they were at..
I could go on but its only the minority who dont pay attention, are rude and have no consideration to cyclists, likewise you get idiot cyclists who I do shake my head at when I see them as sometimes its cringeworty - I used to pass a girl on a bike during the winter on manchester road ( I am heading to accrington) and at rush hour she never had lights on her bike, wore dark clothing and no helmet.. and I used to want to shout at her to get off the road as she was a danger to herself and car drivers! scary brainless people out there!!
I dont use pavements, dont jump red lights, have insurance, observe the highway code and in winter I have 600 watt front lights which can be seen for miles (they look like light sabres on a foggy morning!) as well as high viz cycling jackets and I have my bike serviced more often than not..
does that stop me getting nearly ran over - of course it doesnt..but you could say the same for the car driver - they have their car, lights etc - does that stop someone hitting them - of course not..
I actually bought a little video camera (muvi) for the front of my bike so I can record my daily jaunts and pick up any dangerous driving as I go along..as I never know when it may come in handy..

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Less (original poster) , just be glad you dont live in a major metropolitan area otherwise you would have to put up with the clowns from 'Critical Mass'

Critical Mass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Sorry Eric, but I've never ever been into Motor bikes at all, in fact I've only been on one once, when was a teenager and a mate took me down Ewood for a night match, the game was good but the travel was bloody horrifying:eek::eek::eek::D

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of course cyclists should reclaim teh road and as soon as they pay insurance and roadtax to help pay for all the crap our roads are painted with to accomodate them i will be right behind them ( at 30mph so they better pedal fast)

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I don't think taxing the cyclist is the way forward at this particular moment in time Accyman.

They do not have the same wear and tear on road surfaces as motorists, are not guilty of any carbon emissions (except maybe a fart now and then with the seat position... :D), and also at a time when the Government is trying to get people out of their cars and on to public transport; not only because of the increasing congestion, but for environmental and health reasons.

It is not going to get any better now either ... the transport cuts have been horrendous by this new government and lots of new roads/improvements now put on hold, which the Labour Government approved.

You'll be campaigning to tax wheelchairs next ! ;)

It's a difficult one too when our children are very young and on their three wheelers we instruct them not to go on the road, but then later not to ride on the pavement.

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:eek::eek::eek::eek:Tax Wheelchairs Kate:eek::eek::eek::eek: and I've just oiled my wheels:D

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then I will reclaim my section of road as I pay my road tax etc on the car thats left at home whilst I cycle to work and I also have a stand alone insurance policy for my bike.
so my money has gone into the system.

over to you.

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if a cyclist hits my car it cost me not them so they should have insurance period and although they may not cause as much wear and tear on the roads a lot of money goes on making roads safer for them like cycle lanes for example and it isnt free so i dont think its unreasonable for cyclists to pay their way these days.Only today i have had to swerve out the way of some idiot on a pushbike because they decided they wanted to cycle in the middle of the road and swerved out without even looking yet if i had hit him my car would be damaged and my insurance would be footing the bill at my expense with excess and extra premiums when i renew my policy.

mind you if i had my way bycicles would have number plates like cars and cyclists given the same 12 points a driver has to go at.Just because they are smaller dosnt mean they cant cause lots of damage

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road tax dosnt actualy go on the roads so you cant claim jack but i dont see why cyclists shoudnt have to pay into the same pot motorists or motorcyclists do.;)

if you run 2 cars you pay 2 lots of road tax so if you have 1 car and one bike you shoudl still pay 2 lots of road tax

naturaly at a lower rate im not a total meanie lol

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Again, cycle lanes are just a way that we are being persuaded to get out of the car Accyman ... to accommodate them better ... a carrot so to speak, so taxing cyclists would just cancel out the campaign.

Like I have already stated, congestion is going to be a huge issue in the future if it is not being addressed now.

Not averse to some type of insurance for cyclists, and lots do have some form of Public Liability insurance, but not quite sure how it would work with younger riders ... lots of under 18's out there on the road. Does need looking into. Not compulsory at the moment though. It would cover the cyclist too if hit by a car and allow legal fees to cover any claims.

Yesterday myself, was driving around the estate at Clayton and three children (8 >> 13 years) were meandering in and out of the road ... playing over the road humps, etc., just having fun really. The youngest came on the inside of me and he had to stop before he hit me ... I did mouth a few choice words to him.

Then I parked up opposite the Woodlands on Whalley Road. Within a minute a lad of about 16 came belting along the pavement followed by another youth on a skateboard ! Minute later, cyclist was travelling very fast on the road ...nothing illegal, but no cycling gear whatsoever and the road is up for repair there and ironworks on display .. could easily have hit one of these bumps.

Faults on both sides ... can just imagine you cussing if a cyclist is proceeding correctly and not going quick enough for you ... :D

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Of course road tax goes to maintaining and building new roads ... just difficult to tell just how much as goes into the one pot as with Income Tax.

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hmmm in your top post you seem to say that cyclists should pay insurance and roadtax to help pay for the roads and whats painted on them but in your second post you say that roadtac doesnt actually go on the roads..

you have me confused now either it does or it doesnt but it looks like your contradicting yourself there..

and why should I pay road tax for a push bike -
do those motorised wheelchairs pay road tax? and they are a danger on the road - 5mph all the way..
and if I hit a car and it was my fault then my insurance would pay out 100% - like wise if a car hit me and I was to survive it I would claim on there insurance..
and you cant tar every cyclist with the same brush - if someone pulls into the middle of the road without looking over their right shoulder then they are fair game in my eyes - its the same principal when sitting your bike test - always look over your right shoulder as it may save your life one day.
this argument has been going on for decades and may continue to for years to come but one thing I do think that should be implemented is the following...its kinda the same as when you buy a moped..

when you buy a new bike you should have to sit a basic cycle test so you know your highway code - the cost of this £20/25? would be included in the price of the bike and test carried out at a local police station.
where you would be taught by a professional.
if you were to buy said bike and not go then its your loss as you would have already paid the money and its therefore gone into the system.

now that I wouldnt have a problem with as I see far too many idiots cycling down roads and going round roundabouts with totally no idea what lane they should be in..

what I dont get is a pcso on a pushbike pulling me over telling me I was going too fast - when I asked him what the speed limit was for a cycle he just looked at me blankly - I told him if I was going faster than the 40mph+ moving traffic then I would be fair play but the fact I am on a bike like him then its a waste of time stopping me..and off I went leaving him there looking a tit...
surely if the (ahem) law and I use that term loosely for pcso's are trying to uphold then they should really know what they are talking about..

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for most of my life like many others i was under the false impression that road tax was collected for the maintainance and buildning of new roads and that myth has been deep routed into my memory.I later remembered that road tax is not used for that and is merely a tax which gets spent on anything but roads.This argument arose a few years ago on here about road tax and somone fished out the relevant information proving road tax isnt for road maintainance and is merely the name given to the tax and not a descriptoion of its purpous.Hence my two contradicting remarks :D

regardless cyclists should have cover to protect people from the damage they do to cars or personal injuries they cause to pedestrians,i dont see why cyclists shoudl get off scott free when they are negligent on teh roads

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Don't think anyone would disagree with that (only road tax) .. if that child yesterday had scratched the side of my car .. could only have approached the parents for compensation.. eeew hek .. that could have been a bit shaky. :s_fear:

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but not all cyclists get off scott free - the damage they may do to cars or pedestrians is sometimes caused by them hitting the car or person? and more often than not any personal injury is sustained by the cyclist..and I know of quite a few cyclists who have insurance so obviously the ones you know? dont have and dont care..
and what about the uninsured driver who hits me?
and inregards to pedestrians - if someone walks out infront of me and doesnt stop why should I swerve into the traffic on my right to get out the way and cause a possible accident to myself/car/bus etc..like I mentioned earlier - I had a woman who stepped out infront of - who saw me coming - tell me she wouldnt have walked infront of me if I were a car but did cos I was on a bike..which to me beggars belief..

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Mate of mine was hit by a cyclist. Cyclist was on the pavement. My mate was walking. Broke his collarbone. Cyclist scraped his knee. Police were not sympathetic towards the cyclist but refused to take any action because "there's no point":hesoff:

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And another thing Accyman ... LOL... Car tax is based on Co2 emissions. If cycles were introduced it would add a new lower grade (i.e. none or really low emissions). It's likely that this would lower the other thresholds,meaning you would pay more tax for lower emission levels. This is because the average for Co2 emissions would lower (based on the introduction of bicycles).

Get it ... :D

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depends what they have eaten, if they eat beans or curry emmisons will be higher :)

anyway when the govenment gets its way and gets all decent sized engines off the road they will hike up smaller engined cars road tax regardless of its emmisions and when they cripple the owners of them cars teh cyclist will be next.

all this tax according to emmisions is a huge con if teh government actualy gave a damn about emmissions and been green they wouldnt target the people the would target the manufacturers and factories that are the main polutors but you can get more money out of millions of people than what you can thousands of companies.

been green is the biggest con of the current century and nothing more than a tax exercise to screw us out of even more money for things we need or enjoy

10 years plus we have had waste and been green shoved down our throats and still to this day any toy or item purchased comes in 10x more packaging it requires.

well maybe not sardines lol

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So we put a CO2 monitor on cyclists then based on them peddeling like mad going up hill. Then charge us for global warming if we have a love for beans on toast and veg curries as the amount methane produced will be horrendus. :eek:;)

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all this debate about insurance, using pavements etc could be easily avoided if my suggestion early in the thread was adopted, roads would be safer, pavements safer, just "Shoot" em. Problem solved.:D

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Why the heck would a cyclist hit your car accyman?

Perhaps because your driving too close to them or not giving them enough room?

And despite what you think, a cyclist is entitled to cycle in the middle of the road.
It's not something that is done just because being in the middle might slow cars behind down.
(unless your drunk!).

With the state of our roads, the left side of the roads can be a heck of a bad place to be, grates missing, sticking up etc - all will damage the cycle wheels & cause the cyclist to be thrown off & potentially under a moving vehicle.

What is it with you all, moaning about cyclists not using the road, moaning about cyclists that are using the road. Perhaps if they had gas guzzling, fume emitting motors in them they would be better?

I'd love to be able to cycle to work in the summer, its the car drivers that do not pay attention to their surroundings that is one thing that puts me off doing so.

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You can always tell happy cyclists they have dead flies on their teeth:D

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Does this give the cyclist the right, morally or legally to make pavements unsafe for pedestrians?

Notice the title of this thread?

Instead of moving onto the pavements shouldn't cyclists be insisting on their right to use the roads safely?

A very poor excuse, a cyclist by obeying the rules of the road and by riding defensively CAN use the roads safely.

Don't use bad practice of motorists as an excuse to use bad practice yourself, the pavement is a sanctuary of safety for pedestrians, you have no legal right to perambulate along it.

If, as I have already mentioned the Police actually enforced the laws already at their disposal, ensuring motorists took care on the road making it safer for cyclists and ensuring that without exception anyone found riding a bike on the pavement or ignoring traffic lights and other such misdemeanour's was prosecuted we would not need this discussion.

Strangely enough, I have a great deal of admiration of the cyclists that do use the road and do obey the rules, it's a shame that these heroes of the road are often lumped together with the poor examples set by the, 'I don't give a sod about you brigade' of ignorant riders.
:)

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perhaps they know you and are infact actualy paying extra attention to you which explains your need to fear them.I find myself wanting to run you over already :kill:

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http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/000203FD.gifSuper Less man on a mission:D

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No, not on a mission, just wanting to travel safely from A to B without having to avoid Ignorant cyclists, if they do not have the competence to use the roads then they should give up cycling & walk I want the pavements for pedestrians and courteous cyclists able to travel on roads where they should be.

Surely that isn't too much to ask?
:rolleyes:

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Only kidding Less only Kidding:D

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I would love to see the police 'police' cyclists better to be honest - and those who ride on pavements? a caution would suffice for first offence and then its taken from there if caught a second time - and over the last 3 years since I began cycling I have only seen once a cyclist getting an on the spot fine for 'RLJing' - red light jumping - he went straight through a red light at a busy junction where a patrol car was sitting and as soon as he passed the lights the car was out behind him and he was done for it - £60 on the spot fine..which I applaud and would love to see more of..
I can honestly say I have never jumped a set of lights as you just dont know whats coming through the other side of the junction..
I would like to get to work/ get home and would never take the chance..

and inregards to your last paragraph -
that says it all and should really end this thread.:)

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Of course it is not too much to ask Less ... nobody is disagreeing with you that cyclists on pavements is unhealthy to pedestrians.

I think we have got to ask ourselves why they do it and I suspect in most cases is a fear for their safety of being on the road. Also confusing as there are lots of cycle paths on pavements too ... these are shared and most pedestrians ignore them whilst crossing over the cycle track.

I'm sure all departments involved with transport recognise this problem and lots being done to ensure every one's safety. Maybe a campaign as in the 'Think Bike' one, but aimed at this problem could have some effect ... unfortunately though, as mentioned previously, the budgets for transport have been drastically cut.

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Please enlighten, whats this "Lots" all departments are doin to ensure everyones safety?:confused: this i have yet to witness.

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they do it because Mr. Plod has allowed them to get away with it for far too long.

Even Plod on a bike are guilty of it, which is much, much worse.

As already stated:-

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Again, nobody is arguing ('cept you) ... that the law should be stronger on 'on the spot fines' for this. Resources I guess.

Just feel prevention and education on this subject is better than cure.

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Again I'm not arguing, but I'm not making mindless posts about imaginary departments doing their best either.

It doesn't even have to go as far as fines, the police could remind cyclists to use the road and warn them against using pavements.

Prevention means surely get off and stay off the pavement?

Education? well, if the police do their job of reminding them that is education.

Better than Cure? There is nothing difficult about the cure apply the existing laws. How many innocent pedestrians will have to come to harm, before we once more have the sensible rules of pavements enforced?

:)

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It's not imaginary departments Less .. just have some one close that works with city councils and Transport Departments in laying down cycle lanes and transport routes. Safety is always the highest priority.

Of course, a good telling off is helpful ...all you say is valid .. still feel a public information broadcast wouldn't do any harm either. Just offering alternative suggestions. :p

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I notice that you are completely twisting what I have said, I was referring to those on the road and you know it - you have miss quoted me as you usually seem to do on every topic.

How can they with people like Accyman about who do not even think they should be on the road?

Yet again, twisting what has been said, what are the rules of the road for cyclist then? Have you ever read them?

A cyclist has every right to use the whole width of the road although it is not always advised due to the great big lumps of metals being driven by people not taking notice.

ANd with the extremely poor state of some of the roads a cyclist CANNOT always use the road safely sticking to the left at all times.

Where did I excuse anyone cycling on the pavement? twisting again.

I'm sure there is a song about that! :D
That's about the only thing you have said that is not twisting what I said & actually makes sense.

Just like the "I don't give a sod about anyone else" motorised vehicle drivers.

There are ignorant people all over the place, these days people just do not give a sod about anyone else, its all a me, me ,me - I'm all right jack & sod you society.

I just spent a good 10 minutes waiting at a roundabout by Haslingden Tesco roundabout because the ignorance of everyone else was not allowing a big HGV to pull out when it was obvious he needed the whole width of the road, even when he was 1/2 way out they were still insisting on pulling out and going round & in front of him.

Noone gives a toss any more, not about poeple using the roads and certainly not about poeple cycling on the pavement.

If you feel so strongly about it then stop them, tell them to get off yourself.

Better still, get a bicycle and cycle on some roads yourself, see how bad & dangerous it can be on the roads.

There is no excuse for cycling into a pedestrian or not fitting a horn/bell but there ARE reasons why it can often be safer to cycle on the pavement.
Which is why a lot of the cycle lanes also extend onto pavements.

Burnley has several cycle lanes that extend onto & along pavements, there is one near the roundabout mentioned above.

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Ah so now we have it, you aren't really giving us an unbiased view because you have a relative working on 'projects'.

Perhaps, (without prejudice to him/herself of course), you could ask if when cycle lanes are placed on pavements are the local by-laws or indeed any laws changed to allow cyclists legally on the pavement?

Also, if there is no cycle lane, does the law still exist denying cyclists any right to use pavements?

Rather than blame the cyclist for doing what has been allowed by neglect of duty by the Police, (both on and off the road), I would like to see pedestrians, cyclists and all other road users ensuring the safety of each other.

If the above is true then surely the rights of the pedestrian must take precedent above any rights of the cyclist?

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Your lucky mattylad they don't usually give clues when issuing the Red Stuff;)

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And perhaps you could check the rules, karma comments are not to be discussed on site, if you have a problem with abusive karma comments you report them to the mods you don't repeat the abuse on here.

Though I do feel that it is sad that someone could be so stupidly petty and give you this abuse.
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Grrrr . you really are exasperating Less .. when we all agree you just go on and on trying to incite a dispute.... :bangh8:

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NO I don't you just word yourself into a corner.

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Actually Less .. I am rather proud of my contribution on this thread .. feel I have conducted myself with intelligent thought, alternative suggestions and managing to hold my temper without doing any mud slinging .. :p Oh, and I always take on board what other people have to say on a subject, without putting on my blinkers.

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Unlike others...

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I'm quite proud of myself, an important subject and although I feel the cyclists quite rightly are justified in defending their rights to be safely on the road a shame, none have genuinely said it is wrong for their kind to use the pavement.
:)

Yes, there is nothing worse than the two word 'I'm feeling sorry for myself', post that helps keep the topic away from it's main points.
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'their kind' ... unfortunate turn of phrase there Less.

Of course, we have all said it is wrong to cycle on the pavement (apart from the dedicated cycle lane of course) in one way or another, by agreeing with you on this !!

Ok ...just for the record:

"I, Katex, genuinely believe that it is wrong for cyclists to ride on pavements causing distress and possible harm to pedestrians"

Happy now ? Hmmmph ... I doubt it. :rolleyes:

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why;)

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Specially for you Jaysay ... :p:D

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Katex, you cannot have a thread/discussion etc on here without Less being argumentative & twisting everything poeple say and Jaysay stirring it.

Why do you think one of them has so many posts? :D

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It is time to feed that Kitty extra portions - see the results :D

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Cats/CatBike.gif

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Haha Margaret ... well, an alternative solution to Cashy's 'Shoot 'em'

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No wonder you get the karma comments that you deserve! Change the record.
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Isn't It Time Cyclists re-claimed the road?

if you seen me on a bike the answer would definitely be no :D

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Come on Kate the spoons not big enough for me:p:p:p:D:D:D

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Well at Asda today and they are flogging bikes for some on your bike thingy and to my surprise are selling the safety gear as part of the package. Thats at the Falkirk one. Aint been in my local one yet.

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Excellent, are they supplying instructions for using the road responsibly, or do they expect these new users to invade the pedestrians safety zone?

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Now look what you have done Spuggie ! Set him off again .. :rolleyes:

Does a car salesman give you lessons on the Highway Code or even ask for your licence as you drive it out of the door ?

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Does he send you out without checking details?

The car has to be insured, the only way to get insurance is to prove you have a licence, if you don't like what I say don't answer, obviously anything I say you will go into contradictory mode for which is shame on you not me.

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Look, we've had 6 pages of this nonsense so far. You got a problem with a cyclist on the pavement? Just do what I do - when he/she comes past, just shoulder the bastard into the road. Easy Peezy.

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Not sure will have to ask tmz. Will let you know.

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Unless it is in front of a car then you would be in trouble. Education is what is needed. If taught at school from an early age then that might help.

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I have never been asked for proof of my driving licence when applying for insurance ... just the usual questions Full/Provisional/Points, etc.

Mind you, if you are driving without licence, any claims to your insurance company will become invalid.

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I do this about once a fortnight. So much so, in fact, that most of the clowns who ride on the pavement around Wapping & Shadwell (here in the East End) know my face by now and go back on to the road when they see me.

They know they have no legal comeback when they come off their bikes on the pavement and hit the cobbles. All it needs is the guts to stand up to them..the more people that are prepared to do it then the sooner this nonsense comes to an end.

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Problem solved:D

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They still have cobbles in Wapping and Shadwell ?

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Aye..lots of em. Wapping is just like Church..sports centre, old pubs, canal, river , big printing plant..no cricket teams,but lots of cobblestones

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Home from home then. :)

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Their council hasn't got around to digging them up and selling them off..........yet

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An on the down side they both have Tealeaf at one time or another:tongueout:D

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I broke down in Bury yesterday, on the main road into the centre - in the bus lane side.

Well not entirely broke down - but there was steam coming from the engine compartment and we wanted to investigate why.
So rather than become an obstruction I pulled into a little used junction/entrance to a building.
Then thinking better of it pulled onto the extra wide pavement so I could work on the engine.
There was still room for a pram to get down the side.

WHile I was undoing spark plugs & my wife was handing something to me a cyclist came
up behind us and asked to get by, my wife was taken by surprise & stood back further in his way (no horn etc).

He slipped on his pedal & started swearing, aslo muttering about being parked on the pavement.

So she told him to FO DH... he should not have been cycling on the pavement in the first place
as there is a bus & cyclist lane on that road.


I told him that we were not parked - we were broken down.

There was no need for the abuse, so in some ways I can agree with Jaysay.

However I'm sure that he will now twist what I said to his own means :D