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Let's not forget that people wanted more local social benefits than hitherto given by "the State". Previously it was The church that provided the schools or local benefactors who provided buildings for libraries, etc. and it was farmers, mill and factory owners who provided housing for their workers and set up "Mutual Friendly Societies" for their workers retirement fund. ""The first rate was part of the Elizabethan Poor Law Act 1572, which established relief for the poor at the local parish level, paid for by inhabitants of the parish. An system of rates to fund local government and services evolved over the next three centuries "" They ought to remember that nothing is free in this world - somebody always pays, it's just that socialists don't want to use their own money. |
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Wow, all our yesterday's tied up in a few paragraphs. Haven't we moved on a little since 1572? No hanging, drawing and quartering, no workhouses, no debtor's prisons?
The church provided education to a privalaged few. Farmers and mill owners provided accommodation because they needed workers, a few of them (mainly it seems quakers) provided adequate accomodation the rest rode rough shod over all that they could. Local benefactors? More like men of power that reached an age were they hoped making amends by supplying amenities might get their God to forgive them for the way they used to treat their fellow man. |
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This is exactly what politics is about. It isn't about what those in power can do to make the man in the street better off/have a better life....it is about......
Divide and rule! Set the people against one another and while they are all arguing the toss politicians can do what the heck the like....because the man in the street is too busy to notice what is going on. Yes, I know this is a cynical view...but it is borne of experience of life...politicians and elections. However we vote, the b*stards will still get in...life will be no better for any of us...except those who pull the strings in Westminster.....they will have it cushy as usual. |
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My reference to 1572 was specifically pertinent to local "benefits". As for the church, presumably you refer to the schools attached to the parish churches, which were either built by public subscription or by the local benefactor. It depended on the parish whether the parents had to pay. You'll notice most have got a 19th century date above the doorway. Basic knowlege is knowing how to read and prior to the era mentioned above vicars would give each household a bible and some records still survive today, this is how I know my ancestors consisting of a shepherd, his wife and 5 children were all able to read. Parents certainly had to pay if a private individual opened a school. My grandmother born in the 1880s and her several siblings each had to take tuppence to school to pay for their tuition. Those were the days when household rates or poll tax weren't so exorbitant. You were correct in your assumption of Quakers but I think you'll find many benefactors in the 19th century were Liberals in their thinking. |
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Did you mention a specific? Had you done so maybe I'd have been specific in my criticism of your post.
Your GRANDMOTHER, born in the 1880's? How old are you? Stop trying to be clever at your own expense. |
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My Grandfather was born in Shoe Mill Cottages in 1853. |
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My favourite paragraph in the whole manifesto is "Support reopening of Manston airport " That'll solve all our transport problems and make talk of a third runway at Heathrow unnecessary! Wait a minute. Support reopening of which airport? Manston, an airfield situated in, wait for it, Thurrock, which just happens to be a seat being contested by Nigel Farage. A national manifesto hijacked for a local cause! On second thought, my use of the word 'putrid' is not quite right. a much stronger word is probably needed....... |
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....and while we are on the subject of UKIP, three weeks into the campaign and lets all name another UKIP politician. Ok I'll accept Carswelll and Reckless because of their high profile defections, but by all accounts they are getting cold feet, especially as one of them (I really can't be bothered to check which one) is horrified about Farages HIV comments because his father was a big noise in HIV treatment.
Anyone else? There's a Scouse bloke who often pops up but goodness knows his name, and wasn't there a woman at the Manifesto launch who looked a bit stern. Other than that UKIP equals Nigel Farage, Nigel Farage and a bit more Nigel Farage. |
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And of course the BBC News is not in any way biased is it? No, of course it couldn't be!
Not that I am defending UKIP in any way I'm not. I have no allegiance to any political party. |
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Which is probably what is needed to counter the right wing propaganda put out by the Mail, Telegraph, and Express. This election certainly seems to be polarising opinion! |
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from what I have seen, the BBC is definitely biased towards the left.
So much so, that I do not trust it anymore. I think you have to look at as many sources as possible and even then it is hard to pick the wheat from the chaff. It certainly appears to have polarised your opinion anyway. |
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