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Tony Benn maybe not everyones cup of tea.. but I for one reckon he has this statement spot on..

The government claims the cuts are unavoidable because the welfare state has been too generous. This is nonsense. Ordinary people are being forced to pay for the bankers' profligacy. The £11bn welfare cuts, rise in VAT to 20%, and 25% reductions across government departments target the most vulnerable – disabled people, single parents, those on housing benefit, communities, students, migrant workers, LGBT people and pensioners.
This Government can blame the last Government for all this?..I say no!

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Who are the ones paying back to Camerons "Big Society"?.. I don't reckon you'll get many bankers cleaning up the parks for free..this Government have stated an all out attack on the NHS, those in council houses, anything that even looks like a community.. what say you?

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Same old, same old, you and Lord Stansgate make good bedfellows;)

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and he sank the Pirate radio stations giving us Radio 1 instead (which we had to pay for)

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Oh those flowers in the rain wadey:D

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Bankers: salary tax 65% Bonus tax 70% Profit tax 90%

Earn Over £1000,000 a year salary 65% tax

Earn £50,000 - £100,000 a year salary 60% tax

Earn £20,000- £50,000 a year salary 40% tax

Earn less than £20,000 a year salary 0% tax

Anyone on over £50,000 a year does not qualify for NHS treatment and has to paty through medical insurance.

Greed on the part of some got us here so let HMG do the same to the culprits. The only other option that I am certain will happen is that the shares the gov have in the rescued banks will be sold in the next 18 months.

One way of getting a few bob back. :p

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Try it in Scotland first:rolleyes:

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If what goes before happens then we will cop it first. When it dosnt work it will be changed to suit down there as was in the past. :p

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aye typical ,we are the tories guinea pigs like the last time the tories were in:rolleyes:;):p

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so someone on 19K takes home 19K, someone who tries a bit harder and earns 22K takes home 13.2K, thats a real incentive you have there Spugs!

in fact with your figures above 19999 you need to get a 14K rise to be any better off. so you would glass ceiling most people at 20K, no incentive to work harder = Disinterested workforce, DW = poor productivity, poor prod = business goes to wall.

Sensationalistic figures like these do more damage than coming up with a workable plan, the fact is if you have 2 children in full time childcare you need to earn ~ 15K to pay for them and that doesn;t even include putting a nappy on their backside or food in their mouth. Where is the incentive for people to work.....

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There is no incentive at all and that leads to other problems. If a person knows that a lets say certain amount of overtime or bonus pushes them over the limit then they will take neither. I now of people that if overtime could take them over the limit say for working tax credits had an arrangement in place to have it as days in leiu to avoid heavier penalties and loss of money because the lost more money than they actually made. I did it a while back when my tax was in a mess and I was being hammered for it. Took me over 2 years to get it sorted.

Which ever way is chosen there will always be winners and losers as there is no win win senario for all.

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Oh those flowers in the rain wadey

That's the one

7am 300967
The first DJ to broadcast on the new station was Tony Blackburn, whose cheery style, first heard on Radio Caroline and Radio London, won him the prime slot on what became known as the "Radio 1 Breakfast Show" (although its original formal title, as shown in the Radio Times was Daily Disc Delivery, while Blackburn himself referred to it eponymously as the Tony Blackburn Show). The first words on Radio 1 – after a "countdown" by the Controller of Radios 1 and 2, Robin Scott, and a jingle, recorded at PAMS in Dallas, Texas, beginning "The voice of Radio 1" – were "... And, good morning everyone. Welcome to the exciting new sound of Radio 1". This was the first use of US-style jingles on BBC radio, but the style was familiar to listeners who were acquainted with Blackburn and other DJs from their days on pirate radio. The first complete record played on Radio 1 was "Flowers in the Rain" by The Move

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Mancie, face the facts.When Ken Clarke announced his budget in 2007 we had a healthy budget surplus and a healthy economy. The budget was so good Gordon brown adapted it and followed it for 2 years.Remember his Golden Rule-'This government will only borrow to invest,current spending will be met from taxation'.That didn't last long as the next election approached.By 2006 the EEC commision was warning us that with a world recession happening we couldn't continue to borrow more than we earned(only Hungary in the whole EEC was in a worse position.).By June 2007 our deficit for ONE month only was 10 billion. By June 2008 it was 15.5 billion for that month.And the banks hadn't even started to pile straws on the camels back by then. We were already broke,even if the bank disaster hadn't happened.The next government,whatever party, would have had to start cutting back.Add the bank mess on and you have to accept that EVERY pound we spend we have borrowed from someone else-and they want to be sure they'll get it back or the interest they charge will finish us for the next 50 years.We're worse than a third world country now,most of them aren't in hock as badly as we are.

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Ken Clarke announced his budget in 2007"
Have you got the right year?

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Well spotted, I checked through and never noticed that.1997!!! What a shame he didn't get to do a budget in 2007,we might not be where we are now.

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Well you have to have some use besides providing the world with Whisky and Haggis CS:D

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Just a little slow here please excuse me, but when you say we are you referring to the Jockeens, or the whole of the UK populace ?

Only ask because at present under devolution Scotlands dominant parties are Scottish Labour & SNP, as such I thought the Government in England didn't have a great deal of bearing on "Scottish issues"

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Whiskey is a great export for us and Haggis cant be beat. I am slowly converting people to it. :D

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The great Poll Tax experiment that they came up with. Tried it up here first before rolling it out UK wide.

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My friend you are preaching to the converted 70+ Single malts, covering all regions & styles from at least 25 different Distilleries (also & Cupboard of rare & limited bottlings), unfortunately I have to make do with Panzered Haggis (out of a tin). ;) :D

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Aye That I was aware of but at that time Scotland was still under "English rule" (:) sorry), but now I was under the impression (due to devolution) that if it came out of Westminster & it didn't suit you'd just give us the Agincourt salute.

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Westminster still have a say on certain area's of fiscal policy up here. As for the salute well i think the single digit one of international disgust is prefered. :D

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Nice one with the whiskey. You want a proper haggis sent over?

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Thanks for the offer Spugs, but I think they're a bit funny at Customs & excise on stuff like that, still I'll be home soon, should be able to quell my cravings then.

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Moved to Ireland, have we, Spuggie? ;)

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So which is the best, Laphroaig or Ardbeg?

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Neither Dalwhinnie comes out the top in my book. :p

But while on the subject of Whiskey I wonder if the duty will still continue as money has to come in even though we are having a long slow demise as the result of a thousand cuts?

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When Mancie returns from his meeting of The Socialist Workers Revolutionary Front (Trotskyist-Leninist Tendency) and finds out that his thread has been hijacked to discuss bourgeois pleasures, prepare yourselves for a right rollocking! :eek: ;)

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don't hold your breath in converting me Spuggie......I find the stuff positively vile and could hum up at the very thought of it!
Sorry, don't like whisky either.

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No harm in trying. ;) Its like marmite you either like or loathe.

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These beasties are acquired tastes, like Spugs says elsewhere "The Marmite effect" is in place, I do like an Islay but it's hard to choose, in Germany Ardbeg is more popular as it isn't as heavy as Laphroaig, but I admit I do enjoy a dram of Lpg quarter cask, you definitely know you've been drinking that even an hour later, more a winter warmer that. :)

For general nips, Highland Park 18, or one of the Macallans.

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Well we'll cross that bridge when we come to it & should the troll jump out from underneath :D, no worries we aren't all Billy goat grufflings.

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I'l bet that the factory for converting people into haggis is in Scotland and was subsidised by the English taxpayer;):D

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Glenmorangie - Western Isles varieties are too smokey for my taste.
Bit of useful information - The White Mouse pub on the IoW has 365 varieties and a check sheet for ticking them off as you try them.:D

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So whatever is planned and brought forth we will all suffer to some extent. The cuts when made to balance the books are going to be painful with job losses as a result. The burning question is "How long will it take to be back in the black?" Everyone is going to need to tighten their belts and might mean extreme pain for a countrywide gain. I know up here they are working on it and it will be as popular as a rabbit infestation in your veg patch.

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The highest cost is trying to catch the little buggers as they run around the side of the hill. An expensive labour intensive way to get food. In a way a bit like the carry on of some banks that along with some countries helped get us in this mess.

As for subsidies would the tax paying powers we have up here be used to cushion the blow? Me personally wouldnt mind a small hike if it helped protect services like the NHS some thing that is needed by all.

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Haggis out of a tin:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: your a philistine dave:D

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Haggis followed by a nice glass of ten year old malt will change your mind Margaret, the only problem with haggis is you have to be careful, as the Scots aren't very good at cleaning the beast and lead shot often gets suck between the teeth;):D

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I have 2 bottles of Spey in special millennium presentation boxes(untouched) I keep saying I'm going to crack one open but have never got round to it

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Can never find it all I blame the blunderbus they use as we are such a backward nation. ;)

Wont be long before what we like becomes too expensive and the days of the late forties return. Then this kind of cheap wholesome food will be on all tables. We are entering unknown times now with no light at the end of the tunnel.

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Uncork one but save the other. I fine whiskey should always be enjoyed and savoured just the same as if it was a fine wine.

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How about a dram of Old Pulteney?

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its much better in a tin.........topped wi concrete n cobbed in a lodge.:D

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Only if its tinned should that happen. That way it can be retrieved when things are really bad and we are all starving.

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I brought a bottle of that back with me went i had a holiday in the Highlands, lovely Stuff, i like Balvennie Doublewood too!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Which one ? I've got the 12 & 17, prefer the 17, less bite than the 12 & a sweeter, honey like finish. Also up that way you've got Scapa the 12 was alright, but I believe they've phased it out & the 14 is now standard fare also not a bad drop.

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I know Jays, I know, but what's a fella to do, those of us that live in lands afar must make sacrifices for our chosen paths, my voluntary exile has of necessity inflicted this injustice upon me, but I shall bear it stoically, then pig out when I come home. :D

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I've got the 12, i like it, nice n Fresh, with a rounded finish but you can still taste the saltiness of the Wick Sea Air in it!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Bloody hell dave you were bringing tears to my eyes:s_cry::s_cry::s_cry::D

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I dunno, spend a bit of time away and what happens?:hesoff:

I know the tax suggestion was a while back but its criticism shows a lack of knowledge about how the tax system works: with £20k as the tax free allowance, everyone would pay no tax at all on the first £20k, no matter what they earn. So someone earning £21k would take home £20,600 and so on. There's still an incentive.

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thanks for the bump Hiddlebit.. nothing was said in the orignal post about taxes.. the question was not who pays most now, but WHO will pay most for the cuts?..and I still say it will be those on low incomes who will pay the bigger pecentage.

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Well there's one thing about it they can't cut the 10p rate of tax can they Mancie old chap

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I cant understand why, when Cameron is talking about making all these cuts, that the Foreign Aid budget is totally ringfenced, and not a penny is going to be cut from it! I guess its a case of yet another leader wanting to be seen as the big man on the international stage, whilst crapping on the poorest people in his own country!

Bankers - Laughing at us! Tax Dodgers - Laughing at us! MP's - Laughing at us! Foreign Despots and Dictators - Laughing at us!

Also it really is time to stop Child Benefit, or at least award it just for the 1st Child only! We are now living in a time when encouragement should be given for having smaller not larger families! Particularily if you cant afford to feed and clothe them

Best Regards - Taggy

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Just try stopping Foreign aid Taggy, every left wing oik this side of the Nagasaki would be screaming blue murder. That's not to say I don't agree with you, I do, charity begins at home as far as I'm concerned and it seems so do 85% of the British people who responded to Cameron when he ask where the cuts should be made

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I dont mind a certain amount going overseas Jaysay,for genuine "disaster" aid, but to have the entire budget ringfenced is ludicrous, when such savage cuts are going to come, which will cause real hardship for needy citizens of the UK! Its crazy and just does not make sense!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Taggy I'm in total agreement with you mate

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Brilliant! The Tories are in power, THEY'RE the ones who've ringfenced the foreign aid budget and STILL you manage to shift the blame! Priceless! :D

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wouldn't expect owt else.:rolleyes: not the way i play, but thats Tories fer ya.

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Trying to look after your own first?

Racist!!!!!

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Government Budget Cuts Are `Regressive,' Hit Poor Hardest ..
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...ml..“The
"The distributional effect of all tax and benefit reforms due to be implemented by 2014-15 is clearly regressive within the bottom nine decile groups of the income distribution when losses are expressed as a percentage of net income,” the London-based IFS said in a report. Families with children in the bottom decile lose 5 percent of net income, the IFS said, compared with 1 percent for the richest decile."...
Just like I was saying...eh Jaysay?

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These think tanks can make figures say just what the people who commissioned the report want to hear, I would sooner listen to the treasury who have ALL the figures at their disposal not a mish mash, picked up willy nilly;)

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Like I said the poorest always pay the highest percentage of income when it comes to Tory cuts..always..and I'm not talking about benefit "scroungers".. It's pensioners and low income working families... this is the conclusion of a well established and respected economic study..
Spending review cuts hit poor hardest, says Institute of Fiscal Studies | Politics | The Guardian

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They probably wont hit the twenty odd millionares out of forty or so members of the cabinet as hard as the rest of us!!:rolleyes:

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Read Guardian, Read Daily Mail;)
What happened to cutting heating allowance or cold weather payments, bus passes ect ;)

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I'm in the fog about it all .

So many different interpretaions from political parties and economists .

I can understand the political posturings , but I'm at a loss when the "independent" financial experts are all over the place .

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All depends whether they dress on the right or the left JCB;)

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Suppose the reason is, we're in uncharted waters. Nobody really knows whether the Coalition's policy of cutting deep and fast or Labour's ideas of cutting more slowly and moderately will work. Will Osborne's plans kill the fragile recovery or lead to our eventual recovery? No one (including him) can say for sure.

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Just returned from a family trip out, seeing the last night of Love on the Dole, at the Bolton Octagon.

The parallels with what's happening today, were quite uncanny.

Even the snootiest of the wooly liberal theatre goers, left the theatre demanding that Cameron and Clegg should be forced to watch this play.

In all the years I've been going to the theatre, I've never known an audience leave a playhouse so fired up, not only eulogising about the fate of the downtrodden to their own parties, but to everyone else leaving too.

There was more than one person humming the Red Flag.

Revolution was certainly in the air in Bolton tonight.

Hopefully the damp, smoke filled air came from the bonfires remebering Guy Fawkes, and wasn't the homes of Bolton's wealthy industrialists, being burned to the ground.

Love on the Dole | Theatre | Octagon Theatre Bolton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_on_the_Dole

Great book/film, if your interested in northern economic and social history.

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This is brilliant...BBC News - Long-term jobless 'could face compulsory manual labour'.
If there are jobs that need to be done then the simple way would be to employ people who are out of work to fill those jobs and earn a decent wage... but know it seems there are jobs.. but jobs that pay £64 a week.
These jobs need to be done..so why can't we employ people to do this work?

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Because they won't get of their backsides to do it, especially if they'll go to prison instead of doing community serves

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how come they havent got any figures to state when asked any questions in parliament in fact for the last 2 months borrowing has gone up.

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Its call the current financial year set out by the last set of political lunatics who were throwing money around like confetti

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Oh now I get it...people who find themselves without a job are unconvicted criminals.. why don't your lot just go back 100ys and introduce the the workhouse?

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Bit early for the booze Mancie, obviously you only read what you think will fit in with your rose tinted glasses. My references was about a lad who preferred to go to prison rather than do community service, he was convicted

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Hang on...you quoted my post about the unemployed being forced to work 30 hours a week for £64...and somewhere in your tiny brain this equated to a criminals and community service.
I'd have thought in those years of making tea for council leaders you might have picked up some political savvy..seems not. :rolleyes:

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Or the multi millionaires who previously formed the Cabinet -Blair (& his hanger on), Brown etc.

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Never made a cup of tea for anybody, ask cashy, although I once tempted to make one for a Labour prospective candidate,:rolleyes: and when I worked with Peter he wasn't the council leader, when he attained that status I retired, job done

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He lets it slip now and then Barrie, that there are loads of millionaires who support the Labour Party, well they did;)

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What he actually meant but didn't put it across quite so concisely, is his reference to this news article in this thread :) Does this help ? Or am I ruining your Jay baiting ? :D

This what we are up against

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Well thanks for letting me know what Jaysay meant.. are you his body guard or brian guard?.. I still don't see how we get from people who have been convicted of a crime to people who have no job... tell me:)

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Mancie I give up, I merely mentioned that a young lad said in court that he preferred to go to jail rather than do community service, which is entirely different than getting people, who have been on the dole for over 12 months, to do work around the towns where they live.

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Neither, but as mentioned elsewhere I enjoy the role of Devil's advocate. ;)

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so yer owning up to be responsible fer that?.:rolleyes::D

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Well I put him on the right road, but not responsible for any detours along the way since:D