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'HYNDBURN residents face £100 fines for what a council is labelling 'bin sins'.
But the borough's MP has described the penalties as a 'bullying tactic', while council bosses said they had to take the 'last resort' to improve recycling rates.'

'Anyone who puts bin bags outside their black wheelie bin on collection day faces a £100 fine.'
Hyndburn residents threatened with £100 fines over bins (From Blackburn Citizen)

Collecting my wheelie bin this week, I noticed all the bins had stickers on them, with a note inside about fines if people do not obey das rules.

(I do hope all the thousands of notes were on recycled paper.)

I'm good.

I've always recycled, even before it became mandatory. I hate wasting anything, even rubbish.

My wheelie bin is always put out on time, and is very rarely a quarter full. However by lunchtime someone, presumably a neighbour, has always filled my bin with their spare rubbish bags.

So when it comes to fines, until we have lockable wheelie bins, I'm afraid when it comes to issuing £100 fines for overflowing bins etc., I'm afraid you, H.B.C., haven't got a legal leg to stand on.

If you'd like to take a test case to court, I'd willingly be the resident you lose to.

;)

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I recieved exactly the same notice on my bin when it was only half full!:mad:
Then last Tuesday we recieved a letter saying that our area is being monitored due to "fly tippers" on our back alley, maybe they need to look at my next door neighbour..................

over-flowing bin
5 bin bags beside their bin
no recycling done what so-ever


and i know all this as when I am out the back yard getting some fresh air;)before bin day they cart it all out!!
same as you, dont even think about trying to fine me!! :mad:

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Unless they give us lockable bins, which there was a rumour we were to have, or unless they expect us to sit on the bin lid until it's collected, they haven't a hope in hell of being able to successfully issue fines.

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They use bully tactics the same as with dog fouling fines. They ask your name so they can give you a fine but you dont have to tell them anything.

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Two questions for the councillors who post on this forum...

a) How does the council distinguish that "some areas of the borough had very low recycling rates" as opposed to areas that have high recycling rates?

b) At which council meeting was this motion passed?

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Every week I put out my mum and dad's bin which is very low on rubbish but by the time the bin men come along it's full :eek:

Please don't tell me to have a word with the people who are responsible as I don't live with my parents 24/7 and they are 80 and 77 years old and want a quiet life. I know who is doing it - I have photo's of who is doing it and if they ever tried to take my parents to court I could prove what is going on but yet again the cloud cuckoo council will try and think that it is all black and white as usual

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My bin is only ever 1/3rd full (approx) ... I invite my neighbours either side to put any extra bin bags in mine as they have larger families, as long as the bin lid will go down and all food stuffs are wrapped (don't want maggots).

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Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer from councillors from either side:( It seems to me that none of them will give you a straight answer (prove me wrong please and you may get my vote next time):)

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Man this is such bollocks.... Every 2 weeks somebody puts bags outside my back gate... Am i going to pay £100 fine NO i am not

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It seams one of our neighbours has already found a way round this:)
they are a small young family mother father and 1 child yet the other week i watched as he put 4 wheelie bins out to be emptied :D
so the simple answer is go round nicking other peoples wheelie bins put your door number on the bin and there you go problem solved.:D

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4 WHEELIE BINS?:eek: how on earth do they manage to fill 4?

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Whenever I put my wheelie bin out which because I live alone never has much in I find about ten bin bags have been dumped against my wall and another 10 to 15 dumped against the neighbours wall opposite, I'm not doing it, they are not doing it, if we were we would follow the adage 'never **** on your own doorstep', so please HBC get some sense, and don't you dare ever try to send me a summons!

By the way how can they tell if someone is or isn't recycling, so far as this particular duty is concerned although I do fill my various sacks and bins with these items of the Earth's resources, (how many asda bags do I need to collect to get a gold star from the Council?), I hardly ever remember to put them out, (indeed most times they do go out are on days Mick catches me on MSN and TELLS me it's recycling day), so when I have a full kitchens worth I take this stuff to the tip where I sort it into it's appropriate skips, so, how is the council going to keep a record of how much and how often I do my recycling?
Unless of course we introduce another layer of bureaucracy and I get a receipt, (hopefully on re-cycleable paper), from the guys at the tip?

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Is this the same council who provide 2 skips for the market traders. One for cardboard and one for everything else, including bottle, cans, and paper mixed in with everything else ?

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With all the failed chicken nuggets and burnt cakes Mick throws over his back yard wall :rolleyes::D

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Yes, and they're the lucky ones, who can at least attempt to recycle some commercial trade waste in the borough.

Others get threatened with fines, if there is suspicion that trade waste is recycled with their domestic collection.

Council admits trade waste is not recycled - Accrington Observer

:rolleyes:

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I dont know what your worrying about, if there not your bin bags, how can they trace it to you? it wont have anything in with your name or address on to link it to you or your house, but it might have of the culprit who has put it there, also as for recycling, everyone should do it,all the council are doing is targeting the lazy, bone idle sods who dont. Any complaints about it contact the council, and tell them your not happy or you know who has dumped the rubbish in your bin or back alley, let them sort it.

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You seem to have missed the link in post #15. :D

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There needs to be some guidance from central government on where meeting recycling targets fits in the overall picture of the current financial cuts. If there is to be a 40% reduction in spending, as we are told, then can we afford to spend scarce resources making sure the right things are put in the right box. Surely the first priority must be to empty the bins, not to put stickers on them.

I'm all for recycling, but only when we can afford it.

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Does recycling cost the Council money or save them money.

Has anyone got any figures to show either way?

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'Hyndburn Borough Council is having to pay a plastics company to take loose plastic bottles from its recycling facility after a surprise volume of material.' Demand for plastics leads to changes for Hyndburn service - letsrecycle.com Six years ago recycled plastics were costing the council money, so succesful was the amount people were recycling. The last government were awarding subsidies, if recycling targets were met by councils. With the coming cuts, this carrot will probably be removed...and recycled in the compost bin.

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It's OK we heard you the first time Garinda :D

In a similar vein to some of the other comments - I'd like to see Rossendale council try and fine me for not recycling. lol

The thing is, its not us the householders that are the big problem, its the shops that are not using recyclable packaging.
(And when I say reacyclable - I mean plastics with either a 1 or 2 in the triangle, anything else is not recyclable here).

The you get your lazy oiks who don't give a monkeys, who are proberably on benefits because they are too lazy to work etc
and wont pay any fine anyway.

What the council are hoping is that the threat will make more recycle and those that they do try and fine will jst let them get away with it rather than
put up a defence.

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The baler in the article was another Council blunder. They looked at a couple and went for the cheapest option.

I think the worthwhile one was £100k and the cheap one we bought £50k?

It is always broke. It won't bale properly or everything and as a consequence storage yards overflowed.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I've had plenty of good karma for giving straight answers on this forum alone.

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a) It really all depends on the area that the waste comes from which is a bit of an inexact science since Asian communities use far more plastic bottles from drinking more milk. It comes across as an attempt to get residents between wards to compete with one another to see who can recycle the most.

b) I'm not sure, certainly not a full council meeting that I recall, but fines have been standard for some time now. The environmental health inspectors will issue fines for anyone who they can prove has been dumping rubbish improperly, which includes fly-tipping and leaving bin liners at the side of wheelie bins. The stickers just seem to be a reminder that fines will be issued for abusing the waste system and to try and get people to do things properly. I have to say that the bin men in Rishton are very obliging when you have anything extra to get rid of if you ask them nicely.

I don't disagree in principle with fining people who abuse the system but I must admit that the sticker on my bin did make me wonder what I'd done to deserve such a notice. Hyndburn Council has one of the best recycling rates in the country and they're probably keen to keep it that way.

The current system of separating everything at the doorstep is apparently much cheaper than the new blue wheelie bins that are appearing in other boroughs into which ALL recyclable material gets thrown, barring green waste.

I must admit that I'd prefer a blue bin myself to keep my shed tidier but until the cost of doing that drops it looks like we're stuck with the current system.

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Was that down to Councillors or Officers?

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Sorry about that Ken but up until you started posting any topical issues were avoided like the plaque by our elected representatives. I now concede that we do get straight answers if only from you:)

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I try! In fairness to Graham, that he finds time to come on here at all is amazing and I can't recall him ever dodging a direct question.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he's a very straight talking man and usually has the facts at his fingertips.

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How much extra would it cost each household for the blue bin type system you mentioned? Maybe the people should be asked to decide if they want to pay for it or not?

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I always thought hyndburn had the same system as us in rossendale ... ok different coloured bins but the same ...

Green bin .. household rubbish anything that wont go into the other bins ...
Blue Bin .... tins, glass, plastic, cans
Brown Bin .. Garden waste
Sack/Grey bin .. Paper and cardboard

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Not quite:

Grey bin: household waste
Brown bin: garden waste (for those not in terraced, naturally)
White sack: paper
Blue sack: tins and plastic
Cardboard is to be tied up with string and left by the side of the sacks

A blue wheelie bin for recyclables would be much easier.

Neil, I will look into it.

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yeh missed the Blue Box fer glass.:D

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I'm sure our brown bin is green :confused:. CBA going out and checking now though :D

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We don't recycle glass in Rishton!

Midnight duels on the cricket pitch to barter for each other's sister....so the outsiders would have us believe.

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Then why do we have too?:confused: are we not all Hyndburn? P.S. recycle glass i mean, not barter fer our sisters.:D

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That's what we use the glass for. Newcastle Brown bottles are good for getting rid of your opponent's eleventh finger.

The 'inbred' legend is great for keeping foreigners from straying within the town walls at night....

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can understand that, but it don't answer me question.

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OK, I lied. We do have to recycle glass so long as we wash the blood off first.

Those duels, they're more trouble than they're worth...

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Yes they are, do you and your fellow mutants not realise that the North West is in crisis so far as water is concerned and you waste the stuff washing blood off bottles that will be melted in furnaces?

Glass melts at between 1425-1600 °C that will remove even the most stubborn blood stains without the need for washing.

Save water, don't recycle!
:D

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I know, it's so dry outside isn't it? God Bless United Utilities.

Besides which, I'm only a naturalised Rishtoner and the urban myths of freakishly superfluous digits have yet to show themselves as the truth.

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Perhaps the few good people of Rishton have recycled em?:D

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The only brown bins I've ever seen are in...Blackburn.

Rishton is practically on the border.

Perhaps they were blown across, in to Rishton.

:rolleyes:

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I hope they haven't had them removed in some NHS operation for minorities, it could create a very long waiting list if they are also wanting the penis's shifted from their craniums!
:hidewall:

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No mention of a brown bin.

Everyone else's is green.

Freak.

:D

• 6. Your Blue Box
• 7. Your White Sack
• 8. Your Blue Sack
• 9. Your Green Sack
• 10. Your Green Bin
• 11. Cardboard

Recycling - Collection

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He's back, and as pernickety as ever!!!

:D

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Sadly they couldn't recycle me, and they wouldn't let me in at the landfill site, because I attract vermin, so yes, I'm back.

Though for pernickety, read always right.

;)

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In Rossendale we have:
Green bin = non recyclable refuse.
Blue bin = Recyclables (tin/glass/plastic)
Grey bin or white sack = paper & cardboard
Brown bin = garden materials

Or if you dont bother recycling we have
Green bin = all refuse.
Blue bin = The kids garden toys
Grey bin = The gardening tools
Brown bin = repository for large deliveries :D

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it might be easier but what about us who dont really have the space for 2 wheelie bins on our back yards?
and I have put my wheelie bin out some nights and come the morning its got backs dumped on top and sitting at the side..
and putting your house number on your bin doesnt work as ours has our house number all over it and more often than not it goes missing for a few weeks and then turns up on a random bin day - now either my neighbours dont care who's bin they take or they just cant read..

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Bear in mind that I live in a terrace as well but the one thing that annoys me more than anything else is dog walkers who let their pets rinse off my blue box on the way past. I have to take it back through my house and it isn't very nice.

I can't be the only one who has had this happen to them either.

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The easiest way around this is to lift the smokeless zone and everyone go back to open fires then most of the stuff can be burnt which would save on gas and electric and it would heat the hot water (back boilers)
also make great toast:D
all that would be left would be plastic and glass so you would only need 1 blue box:hidewall:

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I'm in the process of doing just that at Rishton Towers. Smokeless fuel actually burns much hotter and produces less ash than standard coal in any case.

The toast is marvellous too - 20 seconds and you're ready!

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Well they made a balls of the new market hall, now making one of recycling, no real thought gone into either.:rolleyes:

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I asked about a combined recycling wheelie bin on Tuesday and was told that although the bins themselves are probably too expensive for Hyndburn to buy for everyone at the moment they are looking at ways of using the existing bins and bags for that purpose.

Nothing concrete as yet though.

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Do we still have to take that ourselves, to the tip?

:D

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I prefer my bins to be plastic, I could not move a concrete one. :D