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I think we all knew it was to late when the Tories mobbed up with the so called Lib-Dems... there is plenty left for your lot to destroy.. pensions, tax relief, minimum wages, the police, defence, ..on and on... no mention of any future for anyone in this country.. that is what I'd call slash and burn.

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Things change Cashy.. this lot are about to introduce a law that more or less make them have complete power for at least five years..even in the days of Cromwell and the civil war there was no such law.. but this lot have found a way to ensure they can't be voted out within five years.. Democracy? don't make me laugh .:D

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Funnily enough mancie that fact may just be the "Cross" they burn on.;)

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I wish I had your optimism Cashy.. but with the total support of the lib-dems and the media I reckon they can push any laws through...most of the "Public" have been convinced that massive cuts are the answer to a resscision that ended last year.. and they still think making over 7,00,000 redundant will help the economy .. but then there you go.

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Hey the british public in general, have short memories, whilst convinced now, when the cuts really hit n they start crapping themselves, its amazing how minds soon change n forget.;)

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Yep.. but whatever the public may feel this Government cannot be voted out within the next five years.. no amount of any civil disorder, strikes or discontent can get rid of them.. the law they are about to bring in means they cannot be ousted by any means...I don't think this was mentioned in the run up to the election... like I say.. ever get the feeling you've been conned?

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Oh am well aware of that, but view i take is that whilst theres always a % who will always vote Lab,Con, Lib, theres a good % they call floating voters, of these a % are complete knobheads, who will vote whatever they think suits them, n sod everyone else, this is in the main, the society good old maggie created, if the new lab leader comes across trustworthy,n is seen to be making the right noises, those knobheads will be in his lap, come the next election, only time will tell if i'm correct, hope i'm around to witness it.;)

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Question: What have Red Ed, Cameron and his fag boy Clegg got in common?

Answer: None has ever done a proper job in their lives. Straight from university into politics and nothing in between. And they wonder why they are treated with contempt.

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They didn't need a proper job though, students know everything ;)

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Have you ever seen the winner of a leadership election look more awkward, embarrassed, uncomfortable and guilty? He looked like a little boy who has been caught doing something very naughty and embarrassing. Which he has. His body language with his brother said it all!
David Milliband, by contrast, showed maturity, control and stateman-like behavior which his brother couldn't get close to. His speech, from a man in his position, was excellent. No doubt in my mind which of the two would make a future Prime Minister! The Con-Dems must have decided there was a God after all.

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just listened to ed millibands first speech IMHO right man fer the job.

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Something in politics we can agree on cashy:D and I didn't hear the speech :rolleyes:

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Must admit he came over a bit more self assured than i thought he might after the vote result on Saturday, he really looked like a Rabbit caught in the Car Headlights then...quite timid i thought then. Be interesting to see how he copes in the Commons Head to Heads against Cameron. I have a sneaky feeling the Tories are just a little more worried by him than they are letting on...time will tell!


Best Regards - Taggy

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I tend to agree with everything I don't hear as well.:D

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The Government can be voted out anytime by losing a vote of confidence in the House of Commons .

The new 5 year policy means that the Prime Minister cannot of his own volition decide to call a general election .

Initially the Prime Minister wanted the vote of confidence to be lost by 50 votes before there was a need for an election . Many of his own back-benchers could not accept this , so he has had to stay with the tradtional ruling that a vote of confidence could be lost by one vote after which there has to be an election .

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My TV must have shown a different speech .

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Well not long in & already "trouble at Mill" ! As to Haridan Harman, moral standards ?

Caught unawares, David Miliband finally makes true feelings known - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

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A little boy is sulking and won't play, because he can't be 'king of the castle', doesn't that make you glad he didn't win?

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Yes it does make you glad he didn't win. It seems like the boy David will now take his ball and go home. How sad is that......does he not realise that he could have worked very well with his brother........been part of what could be the making of a better political party(if there is such an animal).

I listened with interest to the speech from Milliband Junior.......and while there was much said that struck a chord wwith the likes of you and me(like...the war was wrong), there was nothing put forward as to how changes were going to be effected......so, 'fine words butter no parsnips'.....and as I have remarked in the past when you are in opposition, you can say what you like, your words are unlikely to be tested until you get into power, and then it is a whole different ball game.

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Furthermore is this just about underlining & highlighting Labors "Ethnicity & Diversity" credentials as opposed to placing appropriate people to appropriate jobs ? Seem to recall a certain female member of said party demanding this not so long back !

Women could make up half of new Shadow Cabinet - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

Horses for courses ? Or appeasement ? ;)

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whilst that is quite right, i would assume not the object at this particular moment, the object must be to win back the 5 million or so that switched to the scum in power, plus attract some who can't be arsed to vote, meself being one of those, from my own point of view yesterday was a damn good start.;) he aint home n dry , but going the right way.IMHO.

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Yes Cashy I take your point, but my point was that they all talk the talk when they are in opposition, but seem to have few strategies which allow them to capitalise on the fine words spouted in opposition to turn them into reality when in power.

Ed Milliband may bring in some of those floating voters...he may even round up some of the old Labour supporters, as his points of view do seem to be more in keeping with socialist ideology........and if he does manage to inject some enthusiasm for politics into the younger members of society then he will be a worthy leader.
We just have to sit back and watch....and wait to see the unfolding of a new era(perhaps).

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agree margaret, am slightly optimistic fer the first time fer many years, hope he can deliver.:)

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Cashy, I hope you are right.

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Gordon Bennett!...what's happened?...I turn my attention to other things (music, beer, barbecue, sunshine) and suddenly two of my most trusted fellow cynics, Margaret and Cashy, are starting to show signs of being beguiled by another charlatan bearing yet more empty promises.

Ed Milliband?...are you joking?...yet ANOTHER of the political chattering classes...never had a proper job in his life...and you really think he's going to understand the concerns and feelings of ordinary people?

Sheeesh!...I'm off for more beer! :D

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Ed Milliband comes across a an honest bloke.. honest to the point as being politically niave, but I'm sure that will change over the next five years... there's no way he is the "Red Ed" union puppet the media have tried to portray.. in my opinion no matter how good a leader of labour he may turn out to be, if the newspapers don't like his policies then it will be 10 yrs of Tory rule.

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We?..we have to sit back and watch?.. on this forum Margaret you have been (backed up with the outright Tory Jaysay).. the most vocal supporter of a destroying right wing Government not yet seen in living memory.. and all of a sudden you want to hark back to a new era of socialism.. I'll tell you now..I find you a hypocrite and someone who posts when they feel the tide flows in thier favour.

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No Mancie, you are wrong about what I want. I have said many times on this forum that what I want is a politician who will listen to the people who elected them........and follow their wishes. I want a political party that is honest and doesn't screw the taxpayers for every penny we have, so that they can live the high life, while the electorate struggles with the everyday expense of life.

I have said that the New Labour government...you know, that crew who made the mightiest mess of this country by not listening to the concerns of people who feared immigration was going to become a Frankenstein monster.....by allowing the banks to participate in dodgy practices....knew about it for months but did nothing......that led us to believe there would be no more boom and bust, that gave youngsters the idea that university and a degree would ensure they had a chance of a good job, but failed to tell them that they would be saddled with a huge debt for many many years.......I said that New Labour were not the socialist animal you portrayed it to be.......I didn't vote with my heart......OK I didn't vote at all, but when I do find a party that I feel can do the job in hand, I will vote with my head.....thinking about what kind of country I want to live in, and the kind of country I want children to grow up in and feel proud.

You can call me a hypocrite if you want, but I know who the true hypocrite is.

Many times I have told you that I support no political party......not the tories, not Labour, not the LIB dems......not the BNP, the Green party or any other....so do not by your post affiliate me to any of them.
What part of this do you not understand?

And Steve, don't let a single comment about this Milliband bloke fool you........I will watch and wait......as I have said you can talk the talk when in opposition, but it is what you do when in power that proves/disproves ability

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I reckon from your posts that you do support the new Government and the cuts they propose... you've defended this government when talking about defence cuts, cuts in police and cuts in benifits.. you've told us this Government must have had good advice when making these cuts.. . now if you change yer tune fair enough..just be honest and tell us!

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Mancie......I will support any government which has the guts to get us out of this mess we are in......and whatever you may think I support no particular government or party.
I do not follow any ideology or dogma. I use my mind to decide who is worthy of my vote...so far nobody wins.

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Seems to me yer making the same mistake "New Labour" made n they became "Unelectable":rolleyes:

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Really.. it's all down to guts? ..ok you did not vote but you have supported this Government since they were elected..you've got the guts of someone who could not even stick a cross on paper.... but you have no problem making posts on hoping the parties can encourage young people to vote .. I'll stick with the hypocrite I say you are.

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New Labour were electable .. they won 3 elections.. maybe Gordon Brown was not electable but most of that was down to the press.. lets face it people who read the Mail, Sun, Express ain't to blessed in the brain department.

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Disagree, they were electable, but became unelectable before Brown took charge. IMHO. anyone could have replaced Blair n they still would have got stuffed, only a balloon would think any different. P.S. thats "Why" they lost, just can't see it.

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Yes there was no chance .. but Labour lost on 33% of the vote .. Tories won on 38% and only have a majority with the Lib-Dems....a lose for Labour.. but taking into account the intense media propaganda in favour of the Tories I would not say that was really getting "stuffed" .

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thats just my phraseology "stuffed" if were gonna be pedantic they were never gonna win whomever was the leader simple fact, they lost the plot n respect of many.

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All except Mancie, cashy:rolleyes:

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Mancie, you are wrong.......and I don't know where you get the idea that I support this government.....is it because I recognise the need to budget according to the corporate means of GB...and this means we have to be more careful with where we place the money that is available? Silly me... I thought that was just common sense.
Is it because I recognise that Labour induced the kind of apathy that caused me to spoil my vote......the kind of situation where you realise that the elected party pay no attention to what the electorate want?
Is it because I can recognise that Labour took us into a war that was against the wishes of the electorate?.......and if these things had been done by a tory government I would be saying the same things.

You find me one of my posts where I have applauded either David Cameron or Nick Clegg.

I didn't say that I hoped that the new Labour leader would enthuse young people to vote.
This what I actually said......
........and if he does manage to inject some enthusiasm for politics into the younger members of society then he will be a worthy leader.
Don't put words into my mouth.



You tell me that I didn't have the guts to place my x in a box......you are wrong......I placed my x in all of the boxes.......why? Because I have the powers of sight, thought, and critical analysis and could find no candidate that I trusted to run this country. I cannot vote for a party in which I have no confidence...unlike you.
If that makes me a hypocrite, then I am guilty as charged. At least I am not a sheep.

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IF this is true, and there's no reason to doubt it - after all, the Indie isn't a rightwing Tory scandal rag trying to stir up trouble for the new golden boy, then it shows the measure of the man. Surely, sound common sense would dictate that he should be looking for the very best people for the job, regardless of gender, rather than trying to artifically up the ratio of the women in the cabinet. Still, I'm sure all the "progressive socialists" on here will approve. :rolleyes:

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well if this is correct, hes shot himself in the foot right away in my book.:eek:

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Well, we shall see, Mr C. I genuinely hope that Ed's going to prove my dire predictions wrong and turn out to be a sound, common sense leader, who has the needs and aspirations of ordinary people at heart.

I doubt it...but I still hope.

(Sitting in the lobby, waiting for Mrs H to put her slap on. Wish she'd hurry up... it's a beautiful morning here and I want to get down to Beale Street!) :D

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It appears the Ballses are at loggerheads they both want the same job;)

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Well he side footed to the left to get the job then shimmied to the centre to keep the Blairites on side so who knows.Or in my case cares.:rolleyes:

I don't watch strictly anyway.:D:D

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I don't find anything harmful about having even more women in the shadow cabinet.. the Tories imposed a female candidate on Hyndburn...but at the end of a long economics meeting someone has to serve the tea and jammy dodgers.:)

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Can you see Hapless Harriott with an apron on Mancie;)