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That's what you are, Accrington Web! And so says all of the Hyndburn Conservatives, so Cllr Britcliffe would have us believe at the Cabinet meeting this morning. The supreme Leader of the Council mentioned Accyweb quite a bit today, as did Cllr Haworth. I think I may have ruffled a few feathers there.

Oh dear.

Still, must look on the bright side, they both obviously read this on a regular basis so it's an ideal opportunity for us to put things right across the borough with a thoroughly good Agony Aunt column. I'll go first:

Dear Peter,

I have a stubborn blue stain in my borough. Although the majority of it is now washed out I just can't get any real work done while it is there. What should I do?

Yours sincerely,

Ken Moss (32)

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me thinks someone is scared that his 'blue' Hyndburn will be changing to 'red' very soon, its easy to pass the blame when you can't see fault in yourself isn't it

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Ken...some Laundry advice......keep the blue stain submerged under water...when the bubbles stop, I think you will find that it will have disappeared.

So PB and MH think we are all liars on Accyweb.......well, I would suggest that it takes one to know one!
Might their opinion have something to do with the fact that we can see through their obfuscations?

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how dare they call their own constituents (sp?) liars, thats a very very silly thing to do isn't it

Accyweb IS Hyndburn......is this man not a full quid?

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No Flashy...he is only 95p and that is all in old ha'pennies!

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how has he been allowed to run the Borough for so long? has he a lot of relatives in Hyndburn that make up the majority of voters?

and before you say it Less, this is MY opinion on things as an outsider, i've not in any way been wound up and left to spin

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'A local source been in touch and mentioned that the ever-vain Cllr Britcliffe Googles his own name on a regular basis. A Tory with such awareness of their online profile would be most interested to peruse this blog’s server logs: the 'Hyndburn meltdown' post was visited over 20 times from CCHQ IP addresses.'

Peter Britcliffe and Karen Buckley provide yet more Hyndburn entertainment | Political Scrapbook

Really we're all just tools.

Facilitating in an act of self-satisfaction.

(I think that's a polite way of describing the habit, without resorting to bad language, and getting banned.)

:rolleyes:

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Oh dear Oh dear, aren't we known for our live and let live attitude here on accyweb? No need to be up in arms against http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/m...ffice-hbc.html
as a long standing member on here who else is in a better position to say if his fellow members are liars or not?
Another thing we are is inclusive, if he's calling us, he must be calling himself!, it's just a shame that he hasn't the time or is it the inclination? No actually I think the term is Courage to come on and talk face to face with us. Which is a shame, because as everyone on the www. knows accywebbers are the friendliest and most truthful webbers in the world. :)

(It might be worthwhile ignoring the last sentence, I am known never to lie, but, like the leader of HBC I can stretch the truth a little).
;)

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Weekly?

For some it's a full time, 24/7, career.

:D

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Silly cow.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Blue streak,Red streak.Orange streak all preferable to a Brown Nose.:D:D

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For anyone who doesn't have the same recall skills, or peurile humour, as Shaker, or myself.


http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ffe-37025.html


:D

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well those remarks by the clowns, should really increase the tory vote next time, n there too stupid to see it...................These are our leaders.:rolleyes:

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You can see that it probably was a wise decision, to bus in Miss Posh Seaside-Totty, in the months before May, of this year.

:rolleyes:

:D

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Maybe I misheard and it was Accrington Lyres Weekly.

That would make more sense, seeing as how we all seem to be dancing to the same tune.

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If he came on here he could give us his version of the truth...because as we all know there are three versions of truth.....your version, my version and the one that is a mixture of both(not always in equal parts though) which is somewhere nearer to what the truth actually is.

But as you observe Less, he would need cojones to do that and I don't think he has them......well maybe anatomically he has, but metaphorically he is bereft.

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What lies?

Did they specify any?

Phew.

Then I won't bother choosing a suit to wear in court.

(Purely as a witness, in my role as Accy Web archivist.)

:D

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Someone's welcome to come on here...and prove he is a real wit, once and for all.

(Damn, musw get keyboard fixed.)

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Nothing specific, no.

However, naming this website Accrington Liars' Weekly implies that the things posted on here are lies, including Cllr Britcliffe's own musings.

How do you file a slander case against yourself?

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Well it won't matter, because he hasn't mused very much since he joined.
I'm sure Garinda will correct me if I am wrong ....two posts was it!?
Can't really call that enthusiasm. Maybe it is because he didn't really want to be one of us...he just wanted to be the one.

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Don't worry.

It can't refer to thee, or me.

We're on here daily, not weekly.

When was the last time that Yorkshire M.P.'s 'special' young assistant posted?

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There were actually three.

One was magically made to disappear.

An act of political solidarity.

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See.....! I knew you'd know the answer. Thanks G.:)

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Marg, you're conjuring up some interesting images there. Let us take a peek at what a forum with just one person might look like:

It wouldn't make terribly interesting reading, but perhaps it would be less harrowing than my disgraceful efforts.

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Says the girl from Blackburn :p:p:p:p:p:p

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Rubbish.

One of those posts should be written in the third person, as if it was proclaimed to some lowly scribe, and then posted by them, for us all to read.

;)

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No...it would not be interesting, but what I meant was he didn't seem to want to be part of the forum because, if it isn't all about him then he takes his ball(football, I hasten to add, not gonad) and goes home...won't play out with the rest of us.

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I just wish that the elected council would just get on with the job in hand.

There is no need to play to the gallery or preach to the converted,just do the task that you were elected to do.

If rules are being broken do what is needed to rectify the situation if you are unable for one reason or another(I suspect the other) then resign your post and let a more capable person(can't be that hard to find) take over the responsibility:mad:

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Sorry, I'll go and get on with my homework.

I merely thought a few badly-chosen words this morning might make for an interesting thread, and so it has.

Heaven forbid that any councillor might have a sense of humour as well as one of duty.

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All except one Margaret:rolleyes::D

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Sorry John.

Mods, can we change the thread title please?

Accrington Liars' Weekly (except Jaysay)

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G your far to hard on yourself mate you tell the truth occasionally:D

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You mightn't be the only one, necessarily.

I believe Nero had a little giggle, whilst playing the fiddle.

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Na come on lad and lasses if Peter weren't Leader of the council Accy Web would be very quite, at least he spices things up a bit, and helps Ken keep his blood stream flowing:rolleyes::D:D

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Not me.

My career was much more worthwhile.

I'm here in a charity capacity. Primarily as the forum archivist.

Give, give, give.

That's me.

Lest we forget.

(Which is the motto of the Local Internet Archivists' Recollection Society.)

;)

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That nice Karen Buckly did the same thing.

Two-a-penny.

;)

Next!

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Are the Hyndburn LIARS a large group?

I'd never heard of them until today.

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I can't answer that.

For like George Washington, I cannot tell a lie Father.

;)

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Yes Kenneth do as your told !!! :D

The Webbers: The Mossy! The Mossy! Show us the Mossy!
Ken's mother: The who?
The Webbers: The Mossy!
Ken's mother: There's no Mossy in here. There's a mess all right, but no Mossy. Now go away!

Blatantly plagiarised from L.o.B :D :D

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I'm not the Mossiah, I'm a very disgraceful councillor.

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Can I join or am I already a member:confused::confused::confused::confused: :D

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Britclifficus: Quiet! - silly person.

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And a very naughty boy too boot, :D

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What was his friend called? I can never remember....

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If someone has their way, you'll be hoisted by your own petulance.

;)

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Oh very witty, have you got the Collins Quotations Dictionary to hand this evening?

From time to time in our great borough's story it falls to one man to lead his people out of the valley of the shadows and into the sunlight uplands of St Andrews and Immanuel. (Moss 3: 6-12)

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Are we talking Biggus Dickus & Incontinentia Buttocks here ??? :rolleyes:

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I was going to post 'hoisted by your own man-kini'.

But I didn't want any surreptitious reader from the council to have a stroke.

Two stokes and he's out.

Apparently.

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You leave Immanuel alone Mr Moss, that jaysay territory:DI won't authorise a visa next time you call for a brew:p

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The huge amount of enthusiasm for Peter Britcliffe displayed by certain councillors could be dangerous if it was used in a positive way!

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come on Andrew, say what you mean.

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You must have been reading a different forum to this one, I don't recall there ever being a Councillor for Peter Britcliffe ever posting on here. (Or maybe I do recall but am in actual fact lying).


:confused:

I'm sure the archivist knows.

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:rolleyes:

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Forget it, Andrews very much like "The Leaders Office" these days, posts n then gone.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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My post was aimed at the council as a whole,your name was not included in the text.
I am in any case warming to your apparent honesty and hope all turns out well for you.

I just believe that council should get on with the job in hand and stop bickering in public.

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Or on Accy Web with us mere mortals:rolleyes:

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get it right....us mere liars.:D

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I mean the constant bickering doesn't do anyone any good.

If some councillors dislike the current leader, they need to go and tell people, positively, what they will do given the chance. All they need is a majority in opposition to Peter.

Rather pointless bickering to high hell every week about how unfair it all is, that the ones with the majority of councillors run the council.

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But have they got a majority, without the mayor?

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this so called 'bickering' Andrew is HYNDBURNS opinion on things, how else would people get a chance to air their views and actually be listened to? Britters obviously never listens

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To be fair, there isn't actually any bickering going on. This, as with others, is a rather one-sided thread and I wish that Cllrs Britcliffe and Haworth would actually post once in a while rather than simply observing on a daily basis and then prowling the corridors of HBC saying how disgraceful Accrington Web is.

We seriously need some Conservative councillors on here for a decent debate about the important issues in Hyndburn and enable a startled populace to actually read the views of their representatives beyond a few bits of election literature every four years. So many people told me on the doorstep that they were never saw anyone except at election times that it made me even more determined not to be one of those councillors if I got voted in. The internet is one way of interacting, surgeries and letters to residents are another which is what has started happening with me in Rishton.

Getting your face in the paper is one thing, but for God's sake talk to the people who are paying your allowances and justify your decisions. After four months I'm having to do it in Rishton and I cost around one sixth of the money that Britcliffe does.

The people of Hyndburn put us where we are, we should be permanently accountable.

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everybodies entitled to their opinion, things should be discussed in public apparantley we live in a democracy not a facist state keep it up. ps the tories are bricking it look whats happened in blackburn hyndburn next?;)

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Just call me Pinocchio:D

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I don't think constructive debate on how many days the market hall should be open is bickering. It's not exactly all constructive though. Some of it seems to be just anger at the fact that there is a majority on the council that support Peter Britcliffe and some people disagree with the decisions he makes with the majority backing.

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This may be your view I suspect your aiming in the direction the howling gale is coming from, which only means wet legs for you.

Our leader would probably prefer that NO Councillors of any leaning lower themselves to talk to the proles.
:o

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That majority is now a slim 2, but still a majority so why not call a full council for next week if he's making such popular decisions?

Why doesn't he or one of his acolytes come onto the forum in the way that the Labour councillors do and justify their policies?

You may go for the 'smoke and mirrors' approach of simply getting away with it but in the end people want a face they can see all the time, not simply when the coast is clear.

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Its not very constructive to ignore the actual traders i reckon, but doubt ya will take that on board.:rolleyes:

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Perhaps they have lives outside of being a councillor? If I was never able to contact my councillor because of life outside of being a councillor I'd be annoyed and they wouldn't get my vote at the next election.

Of course I want someone who will justify their policies. They often have done at council meetings I have attended or read about in the local newspaper. I don't require them to come on Accyweb though. If it's absolutely crucial for a resident to have their councillor on Accyweb, then don't vote for one that doesn't come on!

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Your Hyndburn Tories are currently obsessed with dragging the market traders into the 21st century and yet won't embrace the technology themselves and converse with their electorate online.

Pots and kettles.

Oh, and just explain the term 'wi-fi' to Cllr Haworth since she is the portfolio holder currently responsible for it in the Market Hall and seems to be under the impression that it is already installed. She tried to have a laugh at my expense on that point this morning but I don't think she realised that the joke was on her.

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Well doubt it if you want. You have nothing to base the doubt on.

The local rag suggests that traders are split. I haven't spoken to traders myself. Would have to do that before being for or against.

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If I e-mailed my councillor now, 'embracing technology', would I get a reply? My guess would be yes, and that's exactly what I want from my councillor. Do I need them to be on Accyweb? No.

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So if the traders who are against 6 day trading leave, that means that the Market Hall will be more empty than it is already.

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How they must rue the day they totally wasted the £591,000.00 Hyndburn was awarded, for the council to run a community website.

Row flares over £591,000 spent on outdated website - Accrington Observer

Costly website a ?desperate failure? - Accrington Observer

If only they'd kept it, and their total control, there would be nothing for them to complain about, in the lying stakes.

Life in Hyndburn was never quite the same again, after it's pitiful demise.

:rolleyes:

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Let's not dwell on the negative.

Less market traders equal more space for the creative arts scene in Hyndburn.

Every cloud has a badly knitted silver lining.

;)

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well i and others have spoken to traders inside the market hall, so are you calling me a liar once again?:( yer as bad as P.B.:rolleyes:

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Andrew seems to do a lot of sitting on the fence, perhaps the Conservatives aren't really for him after all. It's all these textbooks you see, they block the view of the real world.

You can't read up on life. You have to throw yourself into it, find out just how hard things are for the proletariat and make a decision based on that.

Once you've worked your nuts off for a few years, paid a fortune in tax and had any number of people try to extract money from you in whatever way they can then your view of the world will change.

As time goes by you will come to resent parting with every penny to someone who hasn't really deserved it.

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Still using the old trick of latching onto one aspect of a debate and ignoring everything else?

Go to the top of the class.

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well andrew probably would get a reply, cos hes a muppet.:D someone posted on here the other week said hadn't had a reply fer couple of months.:rolleyes:

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see i poked him wi me stick n got a result.:D

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What was that figure again? £591,000 you say? Of public money?

As with the Market Hall, I'm sure they did a feasibility study with proper performance standards in place to ensure that the project had a reasonable chance of success. I doubt that they could have put together a website for any less, you can only shop around so much.

You wouldn't just put something in place without a bit of research first, would you? Imagine if a project cost around four times that sum and you didn't listen to people who knew what they were doing, can you imagine the nightmare that would be?

Divided opinion over Accrington Market changes (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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Not at all, don't assume. Have you spoken to every market trader then? If they're all against it, why are the Observer reporting something different?

Ah Ken. You do make me smile. You know when someone has run out of arguments when they have to attempt to patronise you. Didn't you do that recently with someone here? Seems like a defence mechanism.

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I preferred the post before you edited it about education.

The Observer is not exactly the most balanced mouthpiece for Accrington these days, as you are no doubt aware. Newspaper articles are all good and well but you can't beat actually talking to the electorate and letting people see you as you really are.

Unfortunately, in your case this doesn't seem to have worked quite so well as you might have hoped.

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What might I have hoped Ken? :)

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Andrew why don't you tell us.......and I do believe that the Observer picked three traders out of each camp...it would have looked a bit suspicious if they had pickeed all those for the option and none of those against.

I worked on the Market in 1963(in the Slingers cooked meat shop) and Wednesday we opened until 1pm...we hardly ever took enough money to justify us being there(two of us)....and I recall Wednesday being the Vim and Brillo day...shelves were emptied and cleaned...because anyone who had any money to spend would go over to Blackburn and visit the market there.
Stall holders know their own trade, and should be allowed to open if they want to...but should not be forced to open, thereby creating a financial loss for them.
I can see this being the death of what was once a vibrant Market Hall......you only have to listen to the comments of the people when you go into the Market Hall.....it has become a sterile place, a place that is lacking in the atmosphere, the hustle and bustle isn't there...and it won't ever compete with Tesco.
All that money wasted!:(

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no i have not spoken to em all, but some have spoken to me, so you saying i have nothing to base me comment on is another of your lies IMHO, as you are going off the local rag, new traders have had to accept a 6 day lease or not get one seemingly, so its obvious to all bar the totally stupid, some cannot say they are against it, by the way how many inside traders have you spoken to?:rolleyes:

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I was disappointed to hear this week Peter say "he had no faith in (me) as an MP and had been written directly to ministers (past tense)".

First of all I spoke to him in a kind and conciliatory way at the local elections. I wrote to him offering the hand of friendship at Westminster saying he could come down and we'd help in any way we could and look after him. The reply was 'to meet him at Scaitcliffe House' which was an improvement on the previous 'never meeting'.

Last week (9 Sept) I asked the minister for local government how many times Hyndburn Council including Peter Britcliffe had made any representations to him as minister in a Parliamentary Question and his reply is 'none' which is in Hansard and on Theyworkforyou.com.

The Council should be making representations. Hyndburn has received the biggest cuts in Britain so far.

It would appear there is no truth in the statement "written to ministers". I did not reply.

I can only reiterate; I want to work with Mr Britcliffe and I will not respond to these comments but encourage a relationship that will benefit the people who we represent.

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The mind really does boggle:idunno:I've read it myself Graham:mad:

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You said 'Its not very constructive to ignore the actual traders i reckon, but doubt ya will take that on board.'

I said you have nothing to base that doubt on. You still don't. You speaking to traders has nothing in the slightest to do with doubting me taking something on board.

I agree with you that it's not constructive to ignore traders.

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and here BBC News - Lib Dem councillor defects to Labour Party in Sheffield

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I see our honourable member has been typing in haste and amending at leisure yet again. Not quick enough on the edit button for Jaysay though.:D

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Why should I want to use the edit button, I am following Grahams work in Parliament on theyworkforyou, you may like to try it

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I think he was talking about Graham's edit button. You 'quoted' him before the final edited version of his post appeared.

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I thought that myself, I would think we all, (including yerself), edit after posting, sometimes you just don't notice that glaring mistake or can see a way of emphasising a point more clearly and usually it's just after pressing the submit reply button.
:)

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Like John I also follow Graham's work in Parliament on theyworkforyou.

This is a link to Graham's written question in Parliament, regarding communications from Hyndburn Borough council about reductions in levels of public expenditure in -

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/...0-09-09b.14022

We now have a dilemma about who to believe - the Leader of Hyndburn Borough Council or the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Communities and Local Government. Clearly only one of them can be telling the truth and the Parliamentary Under Secretary's reply has been published in Hansard maybe the Leader of the Council would like to make his 'correspondence' open to public scrutiny.

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Oh I totally agree Less, the only problem I have is if I see a mistake on one of my posts the time as usually just run out to alter it, then I have to wait for you to take the proverbially out of me :D

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I thought you left them in as a way of extracting it from me.
:D

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Well they do make you smile smetimes:D

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You spend too much time on here.:D

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Joan

Which one of 2 Tories to believe??????

I feel the terms "rock" and "hard place" popping into my mind !!!!!!!