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you just proved me right there;) al queada/taliban have always been about and arent secular with the money and power they have now they would have started a civil war one word shiites:)

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this countries been in a mess since thatcher labour were helping to turn the corner when a WORLWIDE recession came i repeat a worldwide;)

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just to add thatll be royal mail privatised will be at least a pound for a stamp in a years time;)

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Maybe we should just not pay the debt, wait till the bank goes bust and then not save it :D:D:D

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So, despite the fact that we've been subjected to swingeing cuts in practically every area of public expenditure...

1. The overseas aid budget is going up.

2. The EU budget is going up.

Perhaps a Tory would like to defend and justify both or either of these measures?

...and if they won't, perhaps some Accyweb leftwing liberal type would care to do the honours, as they all seem to be in favour of more overseas aid and the EU?

Sssshhhh... :rolleyes:

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The only Tories we seem to have left are Jaysay ('13 years of Labour rule....zzzzzz') and Andrew 'Straight Answer' B.

I can't wait for this.

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Well, Jaysay's already said he doesn't agree with item 1 and Andrew seemed to disappear when I first brought it up this morning, so I'm not holding my breath.

As for item 2, Tories usually take the "I don't like it any better than you, but those are the rules so what can we do about it?" line...which, of course, is a load of bunkum. Cameron could give us a referendum on the whole question of EU membership...but, like Labour and the LibDems, he daren't even go there because he knows the answer he'd get.

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Oh not that same old cherry, whats the point of a referendum cosing millions that has not standing, the time for a referendum was before the one eyed Jock signed up to it, a referendum after was useless, but has I've said earlier there may well be one in the offing as Merkel and Sarkozy are not happy and are after a rewrite

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This government can call a referendum on wether to stay or leave the union.. in fact the government can leave the EU without any need for a referendum.. but the tories will do what they always have... moan and groan from the sidelines, do nothing and blame labour, when the truth is that the agreements signed by Heath,Thatcher and Major had Britian stitched up long before Brown got in power.

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Read my post properly - I said a referendum on the whole question of EU membership. There's plenty of point in that but the Tories won't give us one (nor for that matter will Labour or the LibDems) because they're worried they'll get the answer they don't want. :rolleyes:

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There will be council job losses all over the country. Then with changes in housing benefit it's going to mean a lot of pain and misery for people put out of their jobs. Changes such as you can only claim full housing benefit for the 1st 12 months that you are unemployed after that it's cut to 90%! Where are people going to get the extra 10% if they can't get a job?

Labour's policy on giving out 1,000's of pounds to pay for luxury accomodation for immigrants is just one example of the madness that responsible for leading to these cuts and causing misery for many people...

Former asylum-seekers given housing benefit for £8,000-a-month Kensington home - Telegraph

Cuts in benefits, cuts in the Justice System, cuts in Police are all going to lead to more crime. :dflam:

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and another reason BBC News - Murdoch urges Cameron to 'stay the course' on cuts

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Another reason, increase to foreign aid charity i am afraid begins at home!!!

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Already been mentioned. Still waiting for someone to come on here and support it!

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****** europe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah sorry didnt see that bit of the thread:o

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What bugs me about the eu thing is that a lot of other countries seem to take the best bits from membership and if any parts dont fit their agenda they either ignore it or tell the eu to shove it. Were as we seem to go along with everything even the crap that is detremental to us.:confused:

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Worth mentioning again anyway, as we're STILL waiting for some passing Tory to explain why increasing overseas aid is a good idea. And what's the Labour take on this?...are they opposed to increasing overseas aid or do they agree with what the government have done? It's all shrouded in mystery! ;)

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Going back to the original post.. the tories say the last government spent to much on the police,defence,welfare,eduction,housing...but before the election they said not enough of GDP was spent on "essential services"... seeing as they have made massive cuts can any tory explian what they mean by "essential services"?

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The problem is i think its money to oil the wheels of trade between these countries and whoever is giving the "aid" so if that stops they turn round and say were not buying anymore of your goods ie guns tanks ,rockets planes etc;) not food for our starving people or medical aid :mad:

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I reckon it's a throw back to the "new caring, compassionate" tories Cameron proclaimed when getting the leadership.:D

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I disagree with increasing it by that amount.

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Scrap the referendum, waste of money - lets just pull out.

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What percentage raise would be acceptable to you?

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One thing is for sure - we should cut off all third world aid to Ossy.

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:D.. I reckon what we have is the only cross party policey.. Labour would have done the same..for the tories it's a Google Page Ranking exercise to show they care;) but come on, overseas aid is small fry when it comes to the damage this lot will do over the next five years.

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It's more where it's been targeted that's the problem. I understand the need for aid, but it needs to be targeted in a smart way. I can't agree with 37% increases whilst we're giving hundreds of millions to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

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One of your three obsessions.

Oswaldtwistle, royalty, and sodomy.

You should move there.

Either that or start kissing frogs, in order to marry in to the Windsor clan.

Or lastly...just try and relax.

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A proper rebel ain't you Andrew...was that you shouting from the back of the conference in Birmingham? ..or were you to busy opening the door and bowing ? :D

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So we all agree we face draconian cuts to services here in the UK, but Johnny foreigner's share needs protecting, and indeed should be increased? Just not quite as much as 37%?

Do you think we should be giving more than 1/3 of a million quid to the poor Saudi Arabians?

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Can't really see the justification for any aid at all, when our own Country is taking a hiding as it presently is. In some cases it's just disappearing into the pockets of corrupt officials & governments to fund their own lavish lifestyles, wrong on so many levels, for that reason alone aid should be stopped.

If the Government wish to be seen as benevolent & helping they should do it with their own money from their own pockets, meanwhile funds taken in from the British tax payer should just be used on the British people in this Country & that irrespective of who's in Governance.

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I agree...Certainly to string the first lot and the last lot up. As for them in the middle, yeah....I'm quite relaxed.

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The last time we met you were loitering in the undergrowth in Rhyddings Park.

Each man kills the thing he loves, according to Oscar Wilde.

Or slags it off, in your case. According to me..

:rolleyes:

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I was just getting a rabbit for my tea....it was a nice one, although a bit fatty.

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You saying that Mancie is actually a secret Tory G:D

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If each man killing the thing he loves, makes Mancie a Tory, what does it make you?

Leon Trotsky?

:rolleyes:

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Accrington will be a third world county after 1 year of these cuts!

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The Germans are doing well according to BBC News feature on the 1 o'clock news yesterday. They have acually started providing vending machines in hotels etc were one can buy Gold in small blocks.

The Tories should have changed the tax laws for the rich: in that anyone who makes massive profit in the UK can't leave the country and put that money in off shore accounts and be exempt from paying tax - they must pay tax on it in this country! That's just one loop hole that could have been changed in stead of cutting benefits for people at the bottom of the ladder!

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Unfortunately, that is Tory policy and seemingly always has been.

'The gap between the rich and the poor...any chance of making that a bit wider, old boy?'

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Is this something new introduced in the last couple of months?

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What do you mean? That taking wealth out the country by the rich and being excempt from paying tax is something introduced in last few months?

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It was seemingly a poor attempt to take my quote out of context.

Really, Neil....

:nono8:

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No it was not, I quoted your reply to a previous quote and asked a question. I could not have made it more in context.

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If it always has been Tory policy, then could you explain why Labour didn't change it during their 13 years in power?

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For once I'm saying nout;)

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There's a first time for everything! ;)

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Especially in my case:D

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That what I asked but Ken did not get it :rolleyes::D:D

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I know, but I thought I'd put the question less subtly in the hopes of getting an answer! ;)

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Did my subtleness surprise you? :D

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I have noticed, Neil, that quite a lot of your more subtle comments seem to go over various members' heads. Ken's usually fairly perceptive, though, so we'll put it down to being "far too busy with local affairs". ;)

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more jobs go BBC News - Spending Review: Jobs go at Dennis fire engine factory

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Well seeing as the London Fire Bobbies are going on strike tomorrow at the behest of their Union, a lack of Fire engines is somewhat of an irrelevance, but then again with the morass of health & safety regulations, they wouldn't have been able to use them anyway.

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what a disgrace slagging off the frie service that save hundreds of lives a year yes even you would have to rely on them if there was a fire if you lived in london BBC News - Warning to London firefighters over shift-change plans http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11602481

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My you do get het up don't you ! Where exactly have I "slagged off" the Fire Service ? I was merely making a topical observation on a rather ironic situation. And as the strike is based on disagreement of new contracts how does that have a bearing on your vehement hatred of all things Tory ?

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'We're all this together according to the PM and chancellor, as they inflict savage and sweeping cuts to public spending. Yet there is one family living on state handouts who will not be looking for personal economies to cope with the deficit reduction programme: the Windsor family.'
A right royal insult | Graham Smith | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Phew thats the Windsors sorted, and the Saudi royal family, thanks to the increased overseas aid we send there.

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Yep, real heros 7/7 victims left to die in agony: Survivor laments lack of Blitz spirit | Mail Online

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The sooner health and safety gets sorted out the better, it is a necessity to have health and safety but its just gone totally OTT:mad:

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He looks more like Blakey from On the Buses - but it's in bad taste for a council leader to dress up like that and give out salutes!

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If he'd gone dressed as Joe Stalin, I wonder if there would've been so much outcry?...and would you have been on here highlighting it?

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Strange how Uncle Joe's genocide policies, and the deaths of millions of innocent people, doesn't provoke the same outrage. As you've reminded us before.

Wonder why?

:rolleyes:

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Think its a left right thing G:rolleyes:

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Must be.

You'd never get the right wearing blinkers, unable to see any faults.

:rolleyes:

:D

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I look at most things through my left eye the right ones a bit dodgy:D

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Years of giving Peter the wink, has probably affected the muscle control in your right eye.

Winker

;)

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Same reason you very rarely hear any leftwingers condemning Chairman Mao's murderous policies.

Same reason you'll see the Socialist Workers Party out and about on Market St, Manchester, protesting against the US and Israel, but never North Korea.

Double standards and selective vision. :rolleyes:

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the thing is i dont class my self as a socialist i only vote for what would be in the best interests of my family and friends;)

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::r ofl38:Ya an Attila the Hun was totally misunderstood:D

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Ah the Socialist Workers Party one of life's anomalies, they spend all their time protesting, wonder when the do the Work:rolleyes:

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Yes, that certainly isn't socialism.

It's called being selfish.

It's the sort of self-serving attitude that swept Thatcher to power.

Still, it now explains your lack of knowledge about certain things.

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Can I take it you voted Conservative last time then?

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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:dflam::dflam::dflam:Hell would freeze over first Gordon:D

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It's probably partly social conditioning. Also that Hitler had more direct impact on this Country than Stalin, also it was the Russians who were the main cause of Hitlers/Nazi's downfall, so they are seen as being on our side and all the bad done by Stalin who killed more of his own people than Hitler, is conveniently forgotten.

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Busy old time in the village at the moment, plus I've been asked to chip in with Baxenden as much as I can. No time for national stuff right now....

To come back to your original question, there's always going to be the perception that politics only benefits the better off but the Tory model always seems to lead to vast swathes of the working class being laid off whilst the toffs at the top come out reasonably unscathed. If you have millions in the bank then a few extra thousand in tax will be irritating but easily absorbed (if not avoided altogether by clever accounting) but a few hundred for someone much lower down the social ladder is going to be a killer.

It's all a question of perspective and I'm not going to defend everything that Labour has done in the past 13 years either. For one thing, it had absolutely nothing to do with me but also I am allowed to have my own viewpoint within the party. Gordon Brown surprised us all with rather lax regulation of the financial sector, particularly after his mostly positive stint as Chancellor, but this new Conservative coalition is slicing the country to bits.

The Hyndburn Conservatives are no different really. They spout on about how 13 years of Labour rule have left us in an age of austerity and then spend money like no tomorrow so they can get vote-grabbing stories in The Observer. If Labour takes control next May then I am not looking forward to finding out just how much debt Peter Britcliffe has racked up since 2003. Labour had one year of control and balanced the books, I'm not anticipating any 'good news' from eight years of Tory accounting.

For the moment, Hyndburn has to take precedence over national politics because it is something I can actually influence but just brace yourself for a raft of news stories sourced from Hyndburn Tory HQ regurgitating the old tosh that 13 years of Labour rule, no support from Graham Jones......zzzzz....have left us in a terrible state.

It has nothing to do with Labour in Hyndburn, the local Conservatives will ultimately be responsible for our financial state.

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Balanced the books your lot let a £2 million black hole:(

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That's the Peter in you talking....

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No that's the sense in me talking;) and the fact that I know its right

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Forget all the waffle, the big reason to hate em is "Thatcher":cool:

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Another reason, mentioned on the Politics show this morning - wealthy pensioners will still get free bus passes, winter fuel payments and TV licences even if they have 1,000's of pounds in the bank! While others with no savings will have their housing benefits cut! Tories protecting the rich and making the poor pay for it!:jimbo:Keep fox hunting illegal!

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looks like a little rumbling happening already BBC News - Welfare cuts 'will not be approved', warns Hughes

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Food for thought...

YouTube - David Icke - They play Monopoly with peoples lives 1/2

:uzi:

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I've been saying that for weeks, its a nonsense, but remember who set it up that way and it certainly wasn't the Tories, to my mind you should not get it automatically, like other benefits you should have to apply, so that those with enough money wouldn't qualify

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Thats very unfair!!!...............yer making it difficult to hate ya.:D

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I'm that sort of a chap really :foryou::D

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Wealthy Pensioners ? Who exactly are these wealthy Pensioners ? Working & Middle Class families who've spent near on 50 years in toil !

Not your Landed Gentry by a long shot ! Oh no ! That is a different league & class entirely !

Have you ever thought these so called "wealthy Pensioners" may just have grafted all their lives & done whatever was needed to get by (hard physical graft ! Getting up at sparrow fart & coming home late at night ! Working antisocial hours & shifts) all to raise their families properly & make sure there was always food on the table, going without, making sacrifices ! Being frugal & sensible with their earnings !

Oh yeah, while they were grafting they were also paying taxes so remind me again .... just who is looking after who ?

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Apparently it would cost so much to means test these benefits(extra civil servants, paperwork etc) that the costs would be far more than the savings.
Also these 'wealthy pensioners' probably don't use their bus pass so no cost there.
And are you really upset that a 75 year old gets £2.88 a week free TV licence or a 65 year old £4.80 a week for heating(£2.40 each if there are 2 of you)?However much money they have?
Tell us what you mean by a 'wealthy pensioner'. Do you start with ordinary working people who saved a bit and work upwards from there? Tell us.

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Well I don't agree with everybody getting these payments as I've already stated Gordon, but you do make valid points, and of course there is also the fact that they have probably worked all their lives and paid into the system so therefore are fully entitled to it

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I don't agree with it either, Jaysay, but don't you think if was possible to means test these benefits and SAVE money the Labour Government would definately have done it? So would this Government.
I look foreward to Kestrelx's definition of a 'wealthy pensioner'.As 10% of the people own 90% of the wealth(it is said) and of that 10% one in five will be a pensioner we're not talking many,are we? Or does he start a LOT lower?

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One never knows where the green eyed yellow monsters sets it sights Gordon;)

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Is there any reason to hate anyone? Disagree with them yes, but hate them.:confused:

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I've always wondered why people hate others just because they put a cross in a box on the ballot paper:confused: quite beyond me really

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ask n old miner if theres a reason.;)

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More like any ex-miner ..the tories made sure there was to be no more British coal miners.. young or old!

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I don't now exactly! Polly Toynbee - Guardian Journalist stated that she is still earning and is getting all these "Pensioner perks" and she said her self she doesn't think she should be. How many are there like her? 500,000? 1,000,000? How much does it cost to administer free TV licences to people like her etc - what's the point in issueing bus passes that arn't used - isn't it a waste of plastic and postage etc.

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if ya think theres half a million to a million in that fortunate position, then yer dafter n i thought, quote some real figures n some may take notice.:rolleyes:

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Was thinking about this the other day.. Janet Street Porter was saying she did'nt need or use her bus pass.. if she don't use it then it's only the price of a stamp to the government... but if we start means testing everyone of pensionable age as to wether they need a bus pass it would cost millions in staff hours, paper work and postage.

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if she didn't need it, wonder why she applied fer it?? cos ya have too. or shes telling porkies n aint got one.

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You could be right... personally I'd like to see a "bus pass" over her head.. and reverse if possible.:)