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I don't know how many, I don't know exactly how many there are - but you must remember that the elderly population is increasing and there are not as many kids coming up behind them. This is a fact that we are constantly being told by various sources. So there is more demand on the state pension pot -so we are being told!

I personally think that cutting benefits all round is not a good idea - I was just pointing out that if your going to make someone pay 10% of their housing benefit after 12months on Job Seekers, then why give people money who have money in the bank. It's not how much that money is: it's the principle that counts.

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so by your way of looking at things, yer saying working class people who have worked hard all their lives n paid taxes n saved etc, should not receive full entitlement? yer last names not Thatcher is it?:rolleyes:

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Because anyone who finds themselves out of work in this country are scrounging scumbags... and if by any chance people find they can't do the work they have done for decacades because of bad or worsening health they are scounging scum...that is progress. ;)

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watch newsnight now theres a japanese guy telling us they tried the tory way and it failed;)

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...oh no, it's the Karl Marx Brothers!

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Because they've worked hard & earned these benefits !!! Seems like a viable reason !!! And what principle would that be exactly ? I'm sorry but your argument is just so much labor rhetoric & not a proper thought out argument. So your parents if they've got say 20.000 - 60,000 Quid saved in the bank somewhere shouldn't get anything in the way of state handouts (Telly Licence, bus pass etc) on principle ? Well that's the case you're putting across !

What about yourself ? I'm sure you'll feel the same when you come to retire, right alongside your Socialist Brothers & Sisters, marvelous your hard earned cash you'll gladly share with some lazy idle good for nothing who's never done a days work in his/her life through choice, because the State should look after them ! Well I won't be signing up to your Utopic dream thank you very much.

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The Japanese also Bombed Pearl harbour & look where it got them ! I right good arris kicking !

So in their system according to Mr.Tojo Tory doesn't work, what does then ? Would you care to inform us ? I think it will be a pretty good bet it isn't Labor either.

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Maybe there is a need for a radical change in politics in this country. The House of Lords can go the way of the dinosaurs for starters. An elected house that would have the same number of members as the Commons (which should be cut) as abalancing act. That way those in power cannot fill it with cronnies which all have in the past.

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Its a wee bit surprising that the House of Lords, which was so hated by Labour when in opposition especially Two Jags, wasn't reformed over the last 13 years, but of course they wouldn't have been able to bring Mandy back to Run the Country if they had, then law and behold what happens the minutes they're out of power step up Lord Two Jags of Hull, hypocrisy personified:(:(:(

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Another thing that's not right is that expats can still get the winter fuel allowance whilst living abroad, Joan has a relative who now lives in the good old US of A and gets the winter fuel allowance every year, its wrong

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The Tories and the Lib-dems claimed, before the election, that they were going to roll-back Labours attack on our Civil Liberties and the Survelience Society but it seems they are going to go ahead with plans to track all Internet use? Is this right if they do?

UK government to impose Orwellian-style surveillance

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Brave stuff Kestrel.. posting a link to a socialist web site :eek: :).
But all this is no surprise seeing as Cameron's chief advisor was involed in tapping the phones of politicians in the run up to the General Election ;)
David Cameron dragged into phone tapping affair involving aide Andy Couslon | News.

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I hate Theresa May's jackets.

Funny, overly wide, stand-up collars, and the length of sleeve. Not good for bingo wings.

Shoes are ok. In a tongue in cheek, tart with a heart, way.

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I too pondered this change of heart. That so often happens, when journeying from the opposition benches, to the seats of government.

Though I did support Labour's policies, wanting more security powers.

Valuing life, over civil liberties any day.

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That's what the Nazi's said and look what happened! They burned down the Reichstag, which was blaimed on the Communists and then Hitler brought in laws which took away peoples right to democracy. That won't happen here you say :confused: What quality of life?

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Lol, that's a lame a hand as playing the racist card.

I suppose we'll just have to settle on the fact that 'civil liberties' are a matter open to subjection.

One man's civil rights defender, is another man's terrorist.

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Maybe we should ban all religion, then we won't have people coming into this country with religous beliefs that may lead them to try acts of terrorism -then we won't need all this survelience. Because one form of freedom (religous freedom) seems to be leading to a form of attack on all our freedom and civil liberties!

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If a civilisation decided everyone should have their own total liberty, there would be no contols in place to protect against the violent, the dishonest, those who saw childen as equal sexual partners, the racist, the sexist, the homophobic, and basically the downright insane.

They would all be afforded their own civil liberties, to carry on freely, as they liked, unhindered by any force of law.

Not a civilisation I'd particularly want to live in.

;)

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See, this is where you let yourself down.

For instance, the terrorists who bombed London were all born and bred British.

Agression, and hatred can be masked by many covers. Religion is just one of them.

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Who's talking about total liberty to do criminal acts! I'm talking about someone taking away my rights to privacy just so someone has the right to follow a religion that is taking away my rights - because some people who adhere to that religion want to kill people because of it ( or so we are told). Then we are not allowed to mention that because it may offend that religion and those people who want to do us harm.

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So you want a society in which all e-mails and so on are read by some kind of Government Censor, who catalogues and files everthing to check if anyone is up to no good and also perhaps taking note of people's political views and so on and keeping a record of it all. Bit like in George Orwell's book "1984!" Is that the kind of society you would like? :D

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'Your rights'

Every single person, could bleat their own individual 'rights' are an important civil rights issue, even those who seek to harm others, in the process.

The biggest right is for the majority to feel, and be, safe.

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I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's an open secret that this already goes on and has done for many years at a complex in the wonderfully-named Blubberhouses.

I forget now exactly where they are but they look like two huge golf balls in the middle of nowhere.

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Don't particularly care who reads what I write, or watches what I do.

I have nothing to hide, nor do anything to be ashamed, or afraid of.

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the thing is, for or against theres nobody going to be left to do it..theylle all be on the dole after the cuts

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:eek::eek:That's what Hitler said -" The people must be safe from the Communists, Jews etc etc!" The law he brought in was called the Enabling Act it's full name was...

"Law to Remedy the Distress of the People and the Reich"). That is exactly what your saying, "we have to bring in this law to make the people feel safe!" More laws are not the way to make people feel safe! Governments are about making people "afraid" if it's not terrorism it will some other disease or climate change or something else! Bla bla bla...

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If an innocent person is wrongly held in custody, they can be compensated.

If an innocent person loses their life, because of the evil actions of a terrorist, for example, compensation is of little value to the victim.

To me this is a very straightforward issue.

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Huge golf balls would require huge holes..maybe Home Secretary Theresa May will provide them..or they could always give Kerry Catona a job in the cabinet.;)

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I've stated my view.

I'm not going to go round the houses on this one.

It's turning into the sort of teenage pot-head conversations, I always tried to avoid as a child.

Anyway I thought the Nazis said Schnell! Schnell!

I didn't know Hitler spoke my own words verbatim.

I never even knew he could speak English.

:rolleyes:

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Right I'm invoking Godwins law Which means the thread has now gone on for too long, time to start afresh.
:D

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Same here, and whether we like it or not they know everything there is to know about us. By the by as I don't/won't shop on-line am I being foolish or what???? Don't trust the internet that much myself but am prepared to be converted;) My bank details are private (even though I have nothing) but sure as hell ain't going to put my details on the WWB to get an overdraft I never asked for:(