Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 861368)

I note that two prominent posters have not commented on Cashy's post -"Why No Mention"

I am somewhat surprised that we have heard nothing from Ken or Graham.

Please can they tell us what they would do about thje disrespect shown to the majority of the British Public, and even worse, to the fallen heroes from all over the Commonwealth, if they were in power at this time.

Also, what would be the punishment for those agitators and also the
law-breaking students at Millbank?:mad::mad::mad:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861408)

To be fair, Graham hasn't been on since Friday anyway, and may possibly be tied up with his parliamentary work.

Quite surprised at the no-show from Ken though, as he usually has a refreshingly non-PC, but common sense approach to matters.

As for the rest of 'em, Labour politicos appear to show a curious reluctance to condemn anything to do with muslims, no matter how out of line. As for Tory politicos, none of 'em have the bottle to come on here anyway.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 861423)

so inciting racial hatred is acceptable to you margaret? cos in effect thats what it was.:(

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 861425)

I just considered it another anti war protest. The fact that it was made by muslims was incidental. The fact is that persons of any race who protest in such a way, are bound to offend public decency/dignity.

I did not feel incited to hate muslims - we all know that the actions of a few should not influence opinion on all of them.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861408)

To be fair, Graham hasn't been on since Friday anyway, and may possibly be tied up with his parliamentary work.

Quite surprised at the no-show from Ken though, as he usually has a refreshingly non-PC, but common sense approach to matters.

As for the rest of 'em, Labour politicos appear to show a curious reluctance to condemn anything to do with muslims, no matter how out of line. As for Tory politicos, none of 'em have the bottle to come on here anyway.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861454)

After last week's outrageous display of anti-British sentiment, I'd be organising mass protests, showing that the greater majority of people in this country are sickened by what happened, and is happening.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861439)

Thanks Steve, glad you see me in that light.

If something is wrong it is wrong full stop. Race doesn't come into it. The poppy burning fiasco was wrong and letting them get away with it, whatever party is pulling the Westminster strings, is equally wrong.

Shame on them all.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861455)

I'll even help you publicise it.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861455)

How about it, councillors of Hyndburn?

You managed to get a thousand kids waving banners in the summer, encouraging us to recycle, how about using your considerable powers to organise a massive protest outside the Town Hall, next weekend?

Uniting all sections of the community, under the banner of 'Not in Our Name'.

I'll come.

I'll even help you publicise it.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861457)

It'd result in more (good) publicity for the borough, than a load of kids fannying about in leg warmers, taking part in a costly flash mob dance.

Look forward to reading your replies, councillors.

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 861458)

Now is a good time for it Rindy - it is the Hajj, the ritual pilgrimage that all Muslims should undertake at least once in their lives.

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 861456)

As for it being an anti-war protest as MargaretR seems to suggest - what absolute tripe. Margaret,
Sprechen Sie fließendes Deutsches?
Because if so many of those heroes had not made the ultimate sacrifice and laid down there lives - that is what you would have had to speak. By all means express your opinions and hold your beliefs, but do not insult the intelligence of those who are realistic about the sacrifices made by our fallen.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 861464)

I had three uncles who served in the forces in WW2.
I have condemned the poppy burning too, and did actually remark -

"I like to think that I can make a legal protest on whatever topic I feel strongly about. The ones who died, died for that right. It should not be made illegal to offend anyones dignity"
The debate is - was it illegal and if not, should it be.

Cashy described them as 'dickheads' - race, colour, nationality, are no bar to being one - we have plenty home bred.

Garinda remarked that race should not be confused with religion, and rightly so.

Some dickheads burnt the koran - offence to a religion
Some dickheads burnt poppies - offence to a nation

Neither seems to fall under the category of - offence to a race.
(since being white British is just being part of a larger racial group and many of the fallen were of other races)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861466)

'It has been suggested Britons fighting for the Taleban or radical Islamist preachers could be charged with treason.'
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What are the laws on treason?

Chanting that British soldiers should 'burn in Hell', it might be worth a try.

The charge of treason, though rarely used, it is worth noting that in the last World War, those deemed enemies of the State, were imprisoned.

Can't see any difference now, in what we are told is a war.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 861492)

Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861461)

I'll eat my hat if it happens.

I'll eat the flowers off my hat, if any councillor other than Ken, even bothers to comment.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861500)

Well, that's eight silk petals, I've eaten...so far.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 861505)

don't worry G...they will pass easily in the morning.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 861492)

Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861506)

A rose?

By any other name.

Something to look forward to then.

:eek::D:p

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861524)

I don't think they understand quite how hurt and outraged ordinary people are by the action itself and by the fact that no action is being taken against the perpetrators.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861531)

Considering that the majority of politicians at both national and local level are busy pretending it hasn't happened, I would say no.

What a pity more of them can't take his lead...

Labour MP Khalid Mahmood, of Birmingham Perry Bar, said: “It’s just absolute nonsense. These people have no regard or respect for the people who are prepared to give their lives for the country, and if they don’t like it they can hop it and leave. They have these rights to protest that are afforded to them because people have given their lives up for those rights."

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861524)

Well, Gary, looks like your headgear and its attendant floral decorations are safe.

With the honourable exception of Ken, not one local councillor has had the guts to come on here and condemn this affront.

I don't think they understand quite how hurt and outraged ordinary people are by the action itself and by the fact that no action is being taken against the perpetrators.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861534)

Maybe, but at least he's spoken out; that's more than most of his fellow parliamentarians have and, of course, the local politicos on here.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861408)

To be fair, Graham hasn't been on since Friday anyway, and may possibly be tied up with his parliamentary work.

Quite surprised at the no-show from Ken though, as he usually has a refreshingly non-PC, but common sense approach to matters.

As for the rest of 'em, Labour politicos appear to show a curious reluctance to condemn anything to do with muslims, no matter how out of line. As for Tory politicos, none of 'em have the bottle to come on here anyway.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 861585)

Do I take it right that muslims tend to vote Labour:confused:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 861492)

Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861588)

There's no two ways about it, racism still only works one way in Great Britain.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 861585)

Do I take it right that muslims tend to vote Labour:confused:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861588)

I'm not sure that there's a trend in either direction, although Springhill is a Labour stronghold within Hyndburn. I would like to think that the majority of British Muslims would be against what happened on Thursday, much the same as the Koran-burning idiots in America were reviled by most Christians.

What has annoyed me is the cover-up, presumably based on that most powerful of all words, 'racism'. The government (of whichever colour) invites future problems by ignoring instances like this and not coming down equally hard on Muslims as well as Christians. What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander and at the moment it isn't.

There's no two ways about it, racism still only works one way in Great Britain.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861540)

Looks like you may be right.

I did nibble the odd petal whilst waiting, bored, but it looks life the rest of blooms are safe.

I don't know what came over me.

Having the cheek to demand that those closet to us in the chain of government, offered a little guidance, and leadership, in the hope that the few wouldn't tarnish the whole. Asking for things...it's akin to bullying. I apologise most humbly to our elected representatives.

Then again, perhaps it was just anger because today's Remembrance Sunday, and the day I see my mum annually broken-hearted and in tears, for the father who never got to hold her in his arms as a baby, or even see her. Him being killed a few months before her birth.

Silly me for thinking that politicians should notice that the electorate are sick and fed up of the silence, that follows outrage, after outrage, carried out in the name of religion, by evil bigots who primary desire is to curtail the freedoms we enjoy, and our country fought for.

I think if anyone had the gumption, and organised a rally, in little over a week after the poppy burning happened, and brought the community together, in an inter, and no faith demonstration, that things like the Remembrance Day Burn in Hell 'protest', was carried out by a few, and not the many, and 'Not in Our Name', a great deal could have been achieved in helping to heal the wounds these scum have caused.

Nevermind.

At least my freakin' hat still has some life left in it.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 861604)

There should be no need to have any sort of rally if the police did their job, by their actions these yobs were breaking the law, in fact probably more than one law, so why were they not arrested and charged accordingly, if the boot had been on the other foot and the indigenous population had burnt copies of the Koran and carried signs saying Islam harbours murderers, their feet wouldn't have touched the floor before seeing the inside of a cell:mad:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861613)

Still no comment from the various councillors who are Accyweb members. Why does that not surprise me? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 861604)

There should be no need to have any sort of rally if the police did their job, by their actions these yobs were breaking the law, in fact probably more than one law, so why were they not arrested and charged accordingly, if the boot had been on the other foot and the indigenous population had burnt copies of the Koran and carried signs saying Islam harbours murderers, their feet wouldn't have touched the floor before seeing the inside of a cell:mad:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861616)

I think a local demonstration would be a very good way of showing that the majority of people don't support the few mad extremists.

It would help show the borough, which has a large Muslim population, in a better light than any so called community art event, or a thousand kids, having a day off school to extol the benefits of recycling, both of which H.B.C. were keen to give time and money to make happen.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861618)

The police, like politicans, and the media are afraid of offending any minority group, because of their patronising, wooly minded liberalism.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 861624)

Would only be of any use if the local Muslim community took part too

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 861624)

Would only be of any use if the local Muslim community took part too

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 861634)

I wonder if the taxi driver mentioned in this article will be allowed to continue plying for hire?
RAF man turned away by Asian cabbie in row over uniform - Yorkshire Post

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861639)

Disgusting, and yes he should have his licence taken off him.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861618)

The police, like politicans, and the media are afraid of offending any minority group, because of their patronising, wooly minded liberalism.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 861653)

I suspect it's more a case of offending their votes.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861654)

Perhaps they aren't very good at mathematics, and don't realise the majority is greater than the minority.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 861655)

True....but how many seats - parliamentary and council - are marginal, where the minority vote is enough to swing it one way or t'other?

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 861634)

I wonder if the taxi driver mentioned in this article will be allowed to continue plying for hire?
RAF man turned away by Asian cabbie in row over uniform - Yorkshire Post

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861766)

Just ask the Leader of the Council why he keeps dodging the issue of taxi driver licencing in Hyndburn. His policy is not to have a policy, in fact Cllr Clare Pritchard had tabled an item at the last council meeting, a meeting which was subsequently cancelled.

Forget protecting the interests of the residents, there are votes to be lost.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861772)

But surely they must realise, rather than a few votes off some cab drivers, there'd be many more votes lost, if it turns out that Jack the Ripper has been offically allowed to ferry people around Hyndburn in a licensed taxi?

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861774)

...that is why we have a Cabinet member for Community Cohesion?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861780)

A what?

Who is it, and what exactly is their role?

I suppose it involves being paid more, for being one?

Please don't tell me that their job if it involves treating any one group differently to everyone else, as I just might explode.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861774)

Not to knock the work of Cllr Dobson

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861784)

Talking of "avoiding the issue", Ken, I see your colleagues, Bernard and Claytonender, still haven't shared their views with us on what should be done about Islamic extremists disrespecting Remembrance Day and abusing our armed forces. As they are members of a major political party, and this is an issue which has upset a hell of a lot of people, I would've thought they'd be only too willing to give us their opinion. Strange, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861784)

Strange, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861788)

I can't really speak on their behalf, Steve. Bear in mind that they both have a lot more experience than me and so are probably less eager to put their heads in the noose than myself.

As with anything which involves race or religion, the first whiff of disdain for a 'minority' group can finish you off, even if it is justified. Whilst I have no such qualms, Bernard and Joan are superb councillors and they can't keep that up if they lose their seats over a badly-contexted remark in the paper.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861788)

I can't really speak on their behalf, Steve. Bear in mind that they both have a lot more experience than me and so are probably less eager to put their heads in the noose than myself.

As with anything which involves race or religion, the first whiff of disdain for a 'minority' group can finish you off, even if it is justified. Whilst I have no such qualms, Bernard and Joan are superb councillors and they can't keep that up if they lose their seats over a badly-contexted remark in the paper.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861791)

This is nothing to do with race!

Some councillor in the Midlands can condemn the actions of a few vile idiots, but our local politicans are too afraid to speak out, for fear of being labelled, and losing their seats?

This is a very sad state of affairs.

Besides the protest happening in London, it has very real relevance to Hyndburn, and other than Ken, no one is prepared to start healing the hurt.

Pathetic.

Might as well hang out the white flags.

We're a lost cause.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861792)

So, in other words, they have to stay politically correct (in the worst sense of the phrase) to avoid problems with the party heirarchy. I think that says quite a lot about what's wrong with modern day politics.

Incidentally, Ken, the fact that you're prepared to "put your head in the noose" is what makes you so refeshingly different from "normal" politicians. I just hope Harriet doesn't get wind of it! ;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861787)

I will then.

First off, the very fact that there's such a position as 'cabinet member for Community Cohesion', is divise, and encourages separatism, and certainly not cohesion. So it's ultimately pointless.

Secondly, you are doing a God damned awful job here in Hyndburn.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861795)

Again, I am not speaking in any way for Bernard and Joan, just pointing out that racial/religious issues can be viewed in the worst possible light even when the intentions are good.

As for me, ask me whatever you like. My derriere is primed.....

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861795)

Again, I am not speaking in any way for Bernard and Joan, just pointing out that racial/religious issues can be viewed in the worst possible light even when the intentions are good.

As for me, ask me whatever you like. My derriere is primed.....

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861802)

Seems a poor do to me when a Labour MP of Asian origin, perhaps even a Muslim, can condemn in the most uncompromising terms, as I posted in an earlier thread, but local Labour councillors don't have the bottle to speak out.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 861804)

Perhaps its the reason many cannot be bothered anymore to vote? or at least one of em. i'm venturing to deepest Rishton this morning, me documents are in order, hope me safety can be guaranteed?:D

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861805)

Wipe your feet on the way in, please.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 861805)

Just been onto border patrols, they have orders to let you in.

Wipe your feet on the way in, please.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 861802)

Seems a poor do to me when a Labour MP of Asian origin, perhaps even a Muslim, can condemn in the most uncompromising terms, as I posted in an earlier thread, but local Labour councillors don't have the bottle to speak out.

Anyway, Ken, you just keep on sharing your views with us...until the men from Transport House come round to "have a word"! ;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 861814)

Surely that should be on the way out:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 861815)

If Labour gain control Wyn you will notice a drying up of opinions on here, believe me;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861818)

Meaning the Conservatives would be more vocal in opposition?

Oh goodie.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 861823)

I haven't commented before because I agree with most of what' s been said. I'm just a bit disappointed that because someone hasn't commented they are presumed by some to have a different opinion.

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 861823)

I haven't commented before because I agree with most of what' s been said. I'm just a bit disappointed that because someone hasn't commented they are presumed by some to have a different opinion.

Can i also say that on Remembrance Day in the morning i was in Oak Hill Park laying a wreath in the morning. In the afternoon I was in Ossy for the Remembarence day parade.Last Thursday I was outside the town hall for Remembrance Day itself

I mention these, not to seek praise, but because I think it's right that we remember those that I've given their lives for this Country.And we should never forget that sacrifice.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861506)

A rose?

By any other name.

Something to look forward to then.

:eek::D:p

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 861616)

I think a local demonstration would be a very good way of showing that the majority of people don't support the few mad extremists.

It would help show the borough, which has a large Muslim population, in a better light than any so called community art event, or a thousand kids, having a day off school to extol the benefits of recycling, both of which H.B.C. were keen to give time and money to make happen.