Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Question for Graham Jones ..... If any member of the House of Commons were to introduce a private members bill to scrap the Human Rights Act how would YOU vote ? a straight answer is only required, Yes or No.
Considering the fact that Amy Houston was a local lass and God forbid that the same thing could happen quite easily to a Hyndburn "Greater Accrington" girl/boy , how do you feel about this guy or any other illegal being allowed room and board in perpetuity in the UK.

other Accyweb users feel free to comment and tell us how you feel about this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-stay-UK.html

thanks

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Yes the Human Rights Act needs to be abolished or amended to exclude convicted criminals.

But what about the law that allowed this man to serve only 4 months for such a terrible crime? They should have locked him up and thrown away the key. His human rights should never have come into it.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

apart from his crimes n there were a few, it said on the news he was a "Failed Asylum Seeker"? so what this verdict is saying is kill a child when yer banned from driving then we wont send ya back cos yer Human rights will now be affected.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

There are a few separate issues here, all of which highlight many of the things that are wrong with this country:

1) As Cashy says, if he's a failed asylum seeker why is here anyway?

2) Even if he was a successful asylum seeker (ie there was a genuine risk of him being killed or tortured in his home country), by this terrible act, he has forfeited any right to protection from us and he should be sent back.

3) As Gynn has said, 4 months inside is a travesty for this crime anyway.

We all know that the vast majority of ordinary people feel the same way. Unfortunately, those who inhabit Parliament do not. :mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Drivers have received more than 4 months for merely speeding never mind killing a young child and the fact he shouldn't have been on the road or even in the country for that matter. Its time for David Cameron to keep to his pre election promise of ditching the European Human Rights Act, but it seems he has back tracked in concessions to the pact partners the Lib/Dems

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I think my views are well known, but all recent (THAT'S ALL) Governments have allowed the travesty to perpetuate ad nausea to the point where the value of the ruling has been lost & is now seen as a get out clause for virtually everything & that is so wrong. Cameron promised change on *THRA* but as usual like all other Politicians once in power their *Promises*(read lies) are no longer relevant.

Jay it's no use spouting the 13 year Mantra, they made their bed & as such were punished. These New Boys haven't changed that bed, just turned back the sheets & climbed into it. The Public still have to suck up the same old she-ite but but it's just wearing a different coloured ribbon !

Had we still of had hanging for Murder, as that's what it was, well we wouldn't be having this conversation. And they wonder why people take the law into their own hands ????? Vigilantes ! No just fed up individuals who see no other recourse.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Just like every European Law/Act the British stick to it rigidly while the rest of Europe choose the bits they like and totally ignore the bits they don't.:mad::mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

we could just throw him down the channel tunnel and let france wory about him.Would be nice if it was the other way around for once :rolleyes:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Please don't confuse the European Court of Human Rights with the EU .

They are distinct .

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Tell me this.......is it only criminals whose human rights are respected?
Didn't Amy Houston have a right to expect to live?
Didn't her family expect the right to see their daughter grow up, rather than being mown down by a spineless bit of human detritus(who should not have been in the country in the first place) who couldn't even call an ambulance, or give assistance to a dying child?

No wonder all the asylum seekers head for the UK.
I am disgusted with this decision to let this person stay in the UK....he and his family should be shipped out to Iraq, and there he could have a family life in private.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

So where is the outcry against this in the media and amongst the great and the good? Confined to the right wing tabloids and a few backbench Tory MPs, that's where.

Why are no leading politicians from any of the three parties speaking out against it? Why are there no indignant opinion columns in the Guardian or the Independent about it? What about all the human rights campaigners (John Piliger, Bianca Jagger, Jemina Khan) who are getting all worked about the Wikileaks bloke? Why are there no public figures campaigning for reform of the Human Rights Act so that this travesty of justice can never happen again?

Could it be that Parliament and the liberal/left consensus actually think that this appalling situation is actually a necessary price to pay for the "benefits" of the Human Rights Act? :confused:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Correction: David Cameron has now commented on it.

BBC News - PM's anger at Blackburn death crash driver ruling

All very well, but why doesn't he keep his promise to scrap or amend the Human Rights Act?

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Comments don't equate to action...I would be more impressed if he actually did something constructive.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I'd say the only reason he's commenting is to pay lip service (like he's done so many times previously) He's realized pishing into the wind gets you wet, but in the end it's only words & they don't mean Jack. Spineless & ineffective !

Cameron calls for repeal of Human Rights Act | Politics | guardian.co.uk

Cameron pledges bill to restore British freedoms | Politics | The Guardian

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Totally agree!

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

They should also deport the stupid woman who had his kids, no doubt for a fee :mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

It looks like the government is going to take this case to a higher appeal......I do hope someone with some sense can see that this man should be booted out of the country.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

think most people do, i aint much faith in it happening though.:cool:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Maybe some sort of sliding scale should be introduced. The greater the crime against society, the greater proportion of your “Human Rights” are lost. Intentionally kill someone then you are on the basics. Food, water and just enough warmth to keep you alive.

Tthe Act certainly needs to be amended or it will continue to be abused/exploited

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Do all countries follow this act to the letter?:confused: if not no need to amend/scrap etc just do as others do.:confused:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Don't think so, appears to be only UK so hell bent on self destruction by slavishly following the rules, look at France, Italy even Germany have sent people packing if they've deemed it necessary. And all these are Countries in the heart of & fully integrated to the EU & its policies. Something not right somewhere.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

We don't need a sliding scale, any one who is convicted of a crime should loose all claim to human rights, and proper punishment meetted out, then immediate deportation, no matter what, and the woolly minded do gooders who support them, should be made to fully support them, ie, financial support for life, or be deported with them.

Retlaw.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

That would sure get me voting again.;)

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

A sliding scale may not be the answer, think deportation and human rights being withheld is a bit harsh for motoring offences and the like.

Maybe the problem is our justice system as a whole.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

this was a bit more than a motoring offense, as well as n already "Failed Asylum Seeker";) plus more offences since he killed the lass. the way i see this is simple, if yer driving wi No License,No Insurance, its a Criminal Offence not a motoring offense.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Preaching to the converted my friend ! I said something similar in the thread "Tough on Crime & the causes" going back a while. 110% agree

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Wasn’t suggesting that this particular crime was a motoring offence Cashy, although I’m wondering if that’s all that the Court have treated it as.

I see no reason why he shouldn't be deported, his family could join him at his own expense

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

didnt our country deport a uk citizen to america because he hacked nasa's computer yet we cant deport an illigal murdering imigrant who repeatedly breaks the law.

i hope this dosnt give other illigals any ideas because it seems to be that if you fail asylum all you have to do is kill somone and you get to stay.

hopefully graham will be able to tell us what is been said about this amongs mps's and more importantly what is been suggested been done to rid teh uk of him

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I lost faith in our judicial system a long time ago cashy, it must be written in the law books that judges are not allowed to use common sense, mind you if they did use common sense there would be some smart arsed human rights lawyer there to put him straight t our expense:mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

No they didn't extradite him to the USA, but, if my memory serves me right, the family of this autistic man are still fighting this order.
Useless Jack Straw who was the Home secretary at the time, stood by and did not so blooming much.

Now if the shoe were on the other foot the Yanks would put every ounce of muscle behind something like this.
Our Justice system is as weak as water.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Its nothing to do with voting cashy, you only have to look at the number of times the government of the day are over ruled by the law lords, it seems you can add to the law but getting around it once its on the statute books is another matter and that's irrespective of the colour of government

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Well I have a suggestion but I can't post it on here, but I would imagine the same thought has crossed the minds of a few others;)

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

sorry disagree each governments spineless application of the human rights act makes it so.:( am certain other countries are not as spineless.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Other countries don't have our judicial system cashy, I have a feeling it would be very hard work to get out of the European human rights act if we wanted how many times over the years have government decisions been overturned by the law lords, there was one such case yesterday even

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

The whole point of the situation we are in is the fault of the judges, who know the law to the enth degree, but have no common sense.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I am surmising that you are thinking of the one about the legality of the immigration cap by Theresa May.
Her actions were deemed unlawful because she did not follow the proper political protocol before implementing the law.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Ya whatever that means

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

She did it without clearing it with Parliament first. Makes you wonder what all those civil servants paid megabucks were doing to let her fall into that trap.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Exactly

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Well if Graham Jones won't speak up at least someone is, Labour MP for Birkenhead Frank Field, I really hope he succeeds.

Birkenhead MP Frank Field demands deportation for all convicted foreign criminals - Liverpool Local News - News - Liverpool Echo

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

The only politician who has what most male non-politicians are born with.
However, his own party ignored him, I expect the ConDems to do the same.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I note that this thread was originally addressed to Graham Jones. I also not that neither he nor any of his acolytes has responded????????????

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

You'll find that happens regularly Barrie when there's no points to score:rolleyes:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

This man broke the laws of our land on numerous occasions whilst here illegally ,to me he has forgone any rights in this country by doing that.As for not being able to deport him because he has since has had a family,well if the woman who has taken up with a piece of scum like that, thinks so much of him she can go with him when deported simple.The laws seem to favour the guilty rather than the innocent ,what about that poor girls right to a family life and her families rights to.Kick him out and any more like him.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

This man lost his appeal to stay in the country, but was never deported.
If he had been deported, Amy Houston would still be alive.
So he has gone ahead and had two children with an English woman has no bearing on the case.
If he wants to have a family life then he sould go back to where-ever he came from, take the woman and his two children with him......and he can have his family life.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I am no expert on how Parliament works , but could Graham Jones' position as a Labour whip restrain him from speaking on certain issues if they are not the official party policy ?

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Thats supposing that no MPs have a conscience and don't know the difference between right and wrong ... are you suggesting that because there has been no comment from Graham Jones (waiting for the word from above) that the Labour party might approve of this mis-use/interpretation of the Human Rights Act . I suppose if they (Labour Leadership) come out and said it was wrong that this guy gots to stay in the UK it could be seen by some that they got it wrong when they rushed this travesty into Law. Any suggestion that this was just an unforseen consequence is a load of tripe .... the Bill was up for disscusion 3 times in each House and also reviewed in committe by "experts" in the Law .
Don't these folks on Parliament discuss stuff like this with the Law Lords before its introduced to see if it will stand up to a challenge. :confused: :confused:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I understand what you are saying JCB, but does this mean that the Labour Party supports this travesty of justice:confused::confused::confused:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

As a failed asylum seeker, as well as a criminal, and a killer, he should be deported forthwith.

If he's that good a father, he will of course take his children with him. To care, and pay for their upbringing.

Therefore no one's human rights need be infringed.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

The only problem there G is he would have to support his own family not the British tax payer;)

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

That should be immaterial, if he doesn't speak up because of his Political aspirations, he should at least speak up as an individual outside of Politics. I find it somewhat disappointing, he's made no comment whatsoever considering the high praise he's received from so many on here !

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...t=Graham+Jones

From what has been said I thought him to be a true man of the people & at least someone of integrity & honesty as that was the impression given. Sadly it appears that he is just another Politician, in that his concerns are more for his personal standing than the People who got him there ! British Politics at its self centered best !

How very, very, disappointing.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Think that's bit OTT dave, I'm nearly sure Graham will be somewhat curtailed in just what he can or can't say, being a whip, if he was still just a backbencher things might be somewhat different

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I gave him the benefit of the doubt Jay, if you look at the first paragraph

That should be immaterial, if he doesn't speak up because of his Political aspirations, he should at least speak up as an individual outside of Politics. I find it somewhat disappointing, he's made no comment whatsoever considering the high praise he's received from so many on here !

In other issues he's passed comment ! What my point is he's not even commented as Mr.G.Jones one of the community. Yet Frank field has & he's working with the Coalition as their "Poverty czar" So pretty obvious profile in a ruling Government, he's not kept stumm !

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Dave that really is a slippery slope argument as Jaysay states him being Whip might limit to what he can say on such message boards as this. As a MP he will be structinized for everything he does as he is now in the media on a daily basis. I for one don't feel any different to Graham not airing his views on here. His phone and emails are always open if someone would like to ask him a question and he is one of the most transparent men you will meet.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Whilst we respect the fact that Graham has to be careful of "airing his views" on message boards such as Accyweb are we not going to think that he thinks it is right for "failed asylum seekers" to be allowed to stay in this country after being found guilty of crimes like this???? What about the rights of the victim and her family???? I'm so sick of reading reports like this and not very many of the people voted in by the electorate voice their opinion. It is wrong and they should say so, irrespective of political persuasion!!!!

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I met with Amy's grandmother and father a few weeks ago. I'll do what I can to help remove Ibrahim Mohammed. It's a disgrace he is allowed to stay. As the family stated, it wasn't an accident.

The Human Rights Act defends freedom of speech, such as ironically the infamous critic John Gaunt's successful appeal to defend his right to call someone on air a Nazi. An appeal he lost in British courts.

There now needs to be revision in my view so cases like this are not repeated.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Well said, Graham!

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Well said, and has put straight some of the views aired on you not commenting on this issue, i think everyone would be behind a move to rid us of this scumbag and anymore like him.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

well said graham, now the hard work starts, its one thats gotta be won IMHO.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Thank you Graham

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Spot on Graham, just glad you were able to reply

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

That was all that was required, a comment from someone who is in a position to bring this issue to the fore & can maybe get things done. What is even more important is that you have spoken with the family & shown yourself to be a genuine person, unlike so many other Politicians who just pour out the usual meaningless platitudes.

Graham, thank you, I apologise for the needling but if that is what is required to get a response, then so be it. That being said it just reaffirms what so many have said about you & as such you have shown yourself worthy of those praises & trust enhancing your reputation as a man of the people & his word.

I wish you every success in all you do & may you remain true to your ethics & moral codex. If only we had more with such an attitude & the guts to take up the will of the populace then perhaps the Country would once again be deemed a bastion of democracy.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

This seems apt and on topic

YouTube - For he's a jolly good fellow

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I agree with most that this murderer should be deported, (or hung, drawn and quartered), I also feel that cases like this ARE eventually going to cause problems for some of the general public, I for one would have trouble living in the same street as this animal, and feel that a more unstable person than myself might be tempted to take the law into their own hands! Alas, the law would then be used to its fullest against any such action. I still hold the view that any person migrating to another country should live as the people in said country live, furthermore, if an immigrant here is accepted by an english person of the opposite sex, they should then be treated as the immigrant would in certain situations, in this case, be deported with him simply because she accepted him as her partner (knowing he was already a lawbreaker!).

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Well said Graham.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

So you will be supporting Frank Fields early day motion in the House of Commons for the Govt. to overrule the human rights of foreign crimals convicted in UK courts, and deport them once sentences have been served. ? :confused:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Which, as an opposition MP, involves doing what, Graham? And what sort of timescale are you looking at?

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

When we get back I'll speak with Frank and other colleagues to see what can be done. I am writing to the Prime Minister to ask for clarity on his comments and his intentions.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

so it seems 'nowt' is being done to help the Houston family get the justice they deserve

BBC News - Appeal over Lancashire death driver deportation fails

just hope every North East Lancashire MP are holding their heads in shame ... total disgrace, considering Jack Straw was Home Secratary and Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor, whilst this case was going on. If you can't depend on your local elected leaders/politicans to get justice who can you depend on .

Question for Graham Jones ... why haven't you lobbied all the Local MPs and stood up en block to demand answers during "PMs Question Time" , screw parliamentry procedure ... this needs sorting .
Also Graham , you are not beholden to Labour dinousors like Jack Straw , the voters of Hyndburn didn't elect you to follow the party line , they elected you to represent them .
ok enough said

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

knowing cameron clarity will be murkey at best and intentions will be to pay lip service

until cameron delivers on his prommis to stand up to europe on the human rights laws i wont hold my breath.

this animal and his tart should be slung out on the cheapest flight anywhere as long as they arnt allowed to stay here.

I you commit a crime in america or get a criminal record here in the UK you simply dont get into america these days and we should adapt a similar policy

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

sorry accyman , but people like Cameron deal in concepts not realities , its up to local MPs to do like what Mr Heffernan ,60s teacher at Gt, Harwood Top Council and Rhyddings used to do, bang their heads on the desk to get their attention and make them wake up and sit up and take note , instead of kowtowing to the PC party line.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Nothing to do with Cameron and if your on about the Human Rights Act thats was Tony Blair's finest achievement in politics, words from his own mouth backed up by his wife's Bank Manager, The judge said he would not give leave to appeal on this case, but the government ARE looking into this, as was stated last night. But I agree with you about the states, in fact there is quite a lot I like about American Law because if your convicted in the good old US of A the punishment does fit the crime, you very often her the sentence Life without the chance of parole being dished out and even when life sentences aren't given sentences of hundreds of years are meted out, ensuring they never see the light of day, but of course plea bargaining wouldn't work very well in this country as you could never here the term take the needle of the table being used

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

cameron pledged to stand up to the human rights act and has not delivered.

that is whati am refering to not who signed us up to it

blair will burn in hell for that , I want cameron to do as he prommised now thats all

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Cameron pledges bill to restore British freedoms

It's reported that David Cameron has pledged to repeal the Human Rights Act,

28 February 2009

Cameron pledges bill to restore British freedoms | Politics | The Guardian

Sadly yet one more politican, whose pre-election promises turns out to be nothing but empty rhetoric.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Your expecting justice and compassion from a Tory PM .... the pig Churchill sacrificed how many in Coventry ? and slaughtered how many in Dresden.

Hopefully Blair will end up on an an escalator to one of Dantes lower levels .

Sorry IMHO all present day politicians (local/national/ international) are nothing more than deviant degenirates , how many retired "working people" politicians do you know who have retired to a council flat :rolleyes: ;)

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Probably the same number as in the States.

Although two of your Californian elected governors, Arnie and Ronnie, can at least enjoy their dotage living in the Hollywood Actors' Retirement Home.

;)

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Actually 'Arnie' was a good Govenor but let down by the State assembly, you think Harriet Harmon and co, are crazy try the California State legisture (sp?) no surpise that that the rest of US calls us the Granola State, (Fruits, Nuts and Flakes)

re, Ronnie ... waiting for the day when Nancy passes , being polite when I describe her as being Mrs Simpsons un-acknowledged illigitimate offspring/spawn ... total bitch ;) :D

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

For what it's worth, there is an online petition, for those who are unhappy at this so called justice.

Justice for the family of AMY HOUSTON! Deport Aso Mohammed Ibrahim! - Petition Online - UK

There are also various Facebook campaigns, demanding that Mohammed Ibrahim is deported.

(Just search for 'Amy Houston, Mohammed Ibrahim'.)

Sadly there's no offical petition on the government's own petition website.

Introduction to e-petitions | Number10.gov.uk

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

At least if we elect some old thespian, we make sure they've bagged a couple of Oscars first.

Standards.

;)

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

thanks for the links ...Sorry, but common human decency shoudn't require a petition , something which seems to be lacking in the corridors of Westminster :mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

True.

If I was Prime Minister he'd mysteriously be parachuted back into Iraq, and I'd face the flak of not playing by the Human Rights rule book.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

yep , seem to remmber Glenda Jackson was an co-star of an old bedroom intruder of yours :D :D

would enjoy playing 6 ° of Kevin Bacon with you :D :D can you to get in two or less moves to Idi Amin/ Mobutu SeSe Soku /Ian Smith/ Iman Khomeni and Ronnie Reagan ;)

sorry for wander from a serious topic

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

That's what Alan Bates asked.

Well, after he'd asked if I could light the fire, and did I have a rug.

Six degrees of separation?

I can get from Sheila Ferguson of the Three Degrees to Idi Amin in three easy moves.

;)

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Don't remember seeing her when he traversed the southen Sudan with his wives and Ankole cattle en-routre to exile in Saudi Arabia, do remember he liked /was partial to Gordons Gin... something I've never liked , think it was Tonic (quinine) an African thing to deter malaria .

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Before I get a virtual whoopin' for thread wandering, the link is the Three Degrees played at Buckingham Palace for Charle's 30th birthday, and six years earlier Amin had been guest of honour at a State banquet at the Palace in 1971.

Reportedly his speech at the dinner was...
'Mr. Queen, sir, horrible ministers, invented guests, ladies under gentlemen. I thank the Queen very plenty for what he has done to me.
I tell you, I have eaten so much that I am now fed up with malicious meal.
Before I undress the Queen, let me remove my testicles.'

With that mind he would have been great at playing six degrees of separation.

:D

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

I have just done a Radio Interview after today's news. Mr Mohammed should be deported and the judges have the powers within the EC HRA to deport him.

Cameron (and the media) seems to think that the HRA is EU meddling. In fact the EU have not signed up to the HRA.

The HRA is a European Council agreement with 49 European countries signed up. Some of whom have been criticised previously for HR's abuses.

British lawyers I am told wrote the Act but we were a late signature to it. Turkey of all places was one of the original countries to adopt the act and they clearly have had HR issues. I am sure Mr Mohammed would without doubt been deported from Turkey.

As one of the worlds leading democracies it would be a big decision to pull out. Especially when the Act says Mr Mohammed can be deported and that Mr Houston, and everyone else has at least equal rights.

I finished the interview by stating that is the judiciary that are out of touch. The UK Border Agency also feel there are strong legal grounds under the act to deport him.

I just wonder whether judges here are trying to prove some liberal point?

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

seems so ... check this news report

Court of Appeal refuses Government bid to deport failed asylum seeker who killed his daughter | Mail Online

Mr Jones , please tell the honest law abiding folks of N E Lancashire what they can do to get these "Judges" removed from the bench , surley there is a system in place somewhere thats allows for their removal from office , who appointed them to their jobs ?
Why can't they be transferred with no loss of perks to some magistrates court (as public humiliation) dealing with violations of the bin bag laws and pubic urination , seems they have plenty of experience in urinating on the public :rolleyes:

Since your the guy with the connections , maybe you could check and tell all the voters who/which Lord Chancellor appointed these judges to the office they now hold .. (note, not trying to score political points) just think people deserve the right to know how Judges get their jobs for life , thanks .

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

...and guess what?

He qualifies for legal aid.

He's also committed countless other crimes, since mowing this child down in 2003, including driving whilst banned, and burglary.

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Father loses fight to kick out daughter's migrant killer

We can all now see whose 'human rights' are seen as being more important, and that certainly isn't poor Amy Houston, or her father Paul.

Disgusting.

:mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Forget bloody Gaddafi for a moment.

Order the SAS to snatch him, and drop him back where he came from.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

1. Any person who does not respect a persons Human Rights must forefiet their own.

2. Any person allowed to stay in this country, illegal or otherwise, should be deported if they do not respect our laws, thereby not being a good citizen.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Think this is the only country in the world where this could happen, where the juicery can overrule the elected government and the will off the people. The Judges look at things by the letter of the law, do not take into consideration the feelings of injured parties, then after a nice glass of port after work in their gentlemen's club, its into the Rolls Royce and back to their Ivory Tower for a good nights sleep. There are lots of faults with the American judicial system but they sure as hell make a******* like this pay for their crimes:mad::mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

What a total miscarriage of justice, he should be sent packing & so his family life isn't impaired he can take his wife & kids too, where's the problem ? One big happy family living together in Iraq ! Disgusted & sickened :mad:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Come on Dave He doesn't get benefits if he goes home, why do you think he wants to stay so badly, they're not all daft who slaver:rolleyes:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

The immigration service totally ballsed this up. They should've applied for a deportation order the instant he was found guilty. they didnt waited for some reason and now its too late.

i feel for her dad having to do all this running about and now it seems there's no option left :(

i just hope there's osmeone who see's him in the street on day and gives out whats much required

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Now if someone from the EDL had said that he would have been called a racist lol. More statements like this and I will vote for you.:)

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

thats weird i sure i read something about them not being his kids:confused:

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

i dont see how any of what i've said can be miscontructed as racist?

sometimes its not the PC brigade that gets up in arms

its just ppl being too cautious themselves. if no one knew i was asian on this website no one would still think that was racist.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

When he started a relationship with the woman, who he isn't marred to, and when he could quite easily have been deported, she told the court he was 'like a father' to two children she already had. Oddly this paternal figure of support was unable to speak English at the time.

Him and the woman have since gone on to have two children together.

You are left wondering why a dozy slapper like Christina Richardson, thought Aso Mohammed Ibrahim would be such a good father to breed with, after he was capable of knocking down a twelve year old girl, and then running away, after leaving the poor child trapped, and screaming in agony.

I'd quite happily fund a one way ticket for this evil man, his thick slut partner, and their brood of kids, so they can all enjoy a nice family life together in Iraq.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

Exactly.

You're as entitled as anyone else in hoping this man gets some poetic justice.

Nothing at all to do with race.

Re: Question for Graham Jones re Amy Houston
 

At the end of the day he is a scum bag no matter what colour , creed, or race he is.Its as simple as that, as garinda has just said she is as bad as him ,why would anybody stick by someone who has done that to a child, even more so when she has children of her own.:confused::mad:He should be gone now one way or another.