Jack Straw, Racist or Correct?
 

just read about what he has said about Pakistani men

Pakistani men see white girls as 'easy meat', claims Jack Straw - Telegraph

what do you lot think?

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I would not have said this is a Racial issue. Rape is rape, whatever colour you are.

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Hello flashy.
I think that jail is too good for them,i think you know what i think but political correctness will not allow me to WRITE what i think.but i am sure that most people on here will know what i think also....what do you think?.

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Well this has been going on for a long time, the reason this scum pick on young white girls is that they know if they try it on with their own race they would probable be found in an alley with parts of their anatomy removed. I think Jack Straw is absolutely spot on with his comments, but this is not a new phenomenon so why didn't he open his mouth when he was Justis Secretary:(

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I agree. It's been prominent in Burnley & Blackburn for years. The Telegraph started a campaign about it at least 5 years ago and Straw kept his gob shut and did nowt.

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Think that ITV actually did a program on grooming of young girls, which featured the East Lancs initiative, plus similar schemes in the West Midlands, virtually all the men concerned were of Pakistani origin

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:idunno: They ARE easy meat,,,,,some girls dress like tarts ,and it gives out I AM EASY signals,,,:flasher8:::Banane20::s_

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Sorry but that is bang out of order.

It does not matter what a girl is wearing no one has the right to touch her without her wanting to be touched.

I am very surprised at a woman saying something like that :mad:

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Maybe better to have said young girls are far more promiscuous than ever GC, Jack Straw is right that this does go on, and as said by others, has been going on for years, I remember a pakistani Taxi firm starting to operate in Bury some 20 odd years ago, the main complaints were ripping people off, and 'tapping up' females (of all ages), and the complaints went further in that, they came on very, very strong, as usual, a minority accepted the 'requests' and then (and this came from one of the drivers) it was suggested that white girls are easy! A pakistani girl would never dare have sex outside of marriage at that time, let alone sex outside of their own community. I know of complaints made to police, even accusing rape, that were dropped for various reasons, the main one being that they could not 'locate' the offender.

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I'm a bit disappointed with that statement GC, went you hear of girls as young as 12 being plied with drink and drugs so these scumbags can have their way with them revolts me and sickens me to the stomach:mad:

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Admittedly the way some young girls dress may leave little to the imagination, but who's fault is that ? Look at the role models that these lasses have (to look up to ?) today, Footie WAGS & Wannabe's anything for an easy, lavish & luxury filled celebrity lifestyle ! But that still doesn't make what has happened right !

Added to that most of these young girls are still not mature enough to understand quite how things work & they are at an age where rebellion, exploration of their sexuality & peer pressure push them to & beyond their limits of experience. Some will get away scarred but wiser, yet others will succumb to the trappings & become prisoners of the abuse only to be later thrown by the wayside when they're, addicted, ugly & broken to be replaced by another younger, prettier, gullible victim.

In this instance it was a Pakistani ring of abusers (groomers makes it sound less offensive than it really is !) who snared these young girls purely with intent to later abuse, debase & humiliate them. Since they got caught an there is also other anecdotal evidence referring to other groups of Pakistani males doing similar things it may appear to be racial/prejudiced. No it isn't these are the people who were caught & their background/ethnicity is irrelevant they have broken the laws of this land & as such have been punished.

There is a murky criminal under world operating throughout UK, that has Eastern Europeans & our "own" Home grown criminal gangs involved with drugs, prostitution, people trafficking who are just as bad if not worse the only difference here is they look a little more like us & haven't been caught ! So the bleeding hearts need to get off their pedestal, it isn't racially orientated, it's justice accept it !

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so if you or any of your family wore a short skirt it gives a man the right to rape you does it? :mad::mad::mad:

i think not, try writing your statement when you have proper meaning

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Jack Straw wasn't racist. These are the facts.

In these targeted cases, the child abusers are from one race, and the victims are from another.

Only a fool would think these cases aren't racially motivated.

If a young Asian girl was abused like this, there would be revenge attacks, in her honour.

Sadly there are some who see all young white girls as 'slags', there to be used and abused.

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That's the disgrace. Not that he was racist, but that he said nothing, whilst there were high profile cases in Blackburn in the past.

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No one dresses, or 'asks' to be raped.

That's as stupid as saying that small toddlers playing naked on the beach, are luring paedophiles to abuse them.

Like what they wear, or loath it, girls should be able to wear what the hell they want to, without them being labelled as slags, there for the taking.

For God's sake, some of these victims are twelve.

They are children.

Abused children.

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I don't think that is quite true.
They dress to what they see as 'fashionable'.....and remember they are under pressure from their peers to 'conform'........and just because you wear high heels and a short skirt doesn't mean that you can be raped......and raped by men(plural....more than one) who see you as sub human.

These men are depicable....they have families, children, but yet they cannot empathise or share the feelings of humanity....they have to debase young white girls(often needing to get the girls off their heads on drink or drugs first) to get sexual gratification. Scum is too good a word for them.

It is not racist to tell the truth.......how would it be if the situation were reversed and it was white men 'grooming' young Asian girls?

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Fashions, and what people wear, are subjective.

The Bobby socksers of the 50's, long skirts and net underskirts, seem very demure by today's standards, but probably shocked the older generations then. Who'd be brought up to think a glimpse of an ankle, or a piano leg, was shocking.

Children of either sex and of any racial origin no matter what they wear, are just that, children, anyone of any race or religion that subjects any child to Abuse deserves to be treated with the maximum severity of the law.
Wherever this crime occurs.

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I agree with less, and Jack Straw was telling it as he sees it or in this case how it was, it does not matter what ethnic background they are from if they are abusers they are scum.It just so happens that the majority of these groups seem to be of an asian background.If this problem of them seeing white girls as "easy" is deep rooted, it is up to community leaders and local leaders to put them straight from an early age, to stop this getting even more out of hand.

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I think many of the Asian leaders are in denial about this situation.

They see Jack Straw as being in the position of stereotyping males of Pakistani origin.

This would be an acceptable stance from the Asian leaders if we were hearing of gangs of white men behaving in the same way, but we aren't....and it has been happening for a good many years and the community leaders have preferred to ignore it

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It makes it even more credible in a way, coming from Jack Straw because many of the voters who elected him in Blackburn were likely to be Asians;)

As perhaps are people, (Priests), of 'Christian', religions?

Girls & women are vulnerable this is proved when they turn up dead!

Perhaps it's time instead of demanding equality, (we know that doesn't work, you lasses are too clever),
That an escort home from friend or family should again become normal?

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not making any excuses for the abuse , but has anyone done a study to find if there is a common factor amongst the girls who are being targeted .....how many come from "homes" with no proper family structure . The mention that Asian girls aren't being targeted could be that their parents/families don't allow them to get into situations where "bad" things could happen. ......... bit like the (US) TV ad.... "It's 10 o clock , do you know where your kids are"

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Why are they advertising it then, and don't claim its fashion, girls can be fashionable without flaunting it.
Retlaw

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Some, though not all the victims, could be described as being vunerable, in that they are in care.

You're right about one thing though. It is no excuse.

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You're right.

The dirty little slags are asking for it, and deserve everything they get.

Girls should be modest, and cover themselves, if they don't want gang raping.

http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2010/09/burqas.jpg

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Fashion from 1945.

http://www.lilesnet.com/toppers/imag...0s_dancing.gif

There were probably some, brought up under Victorian prudery, who labelled such young women as 'immoral'.

Sadder still, there were probably a minority, who on hearing such a girl had been attacked, would say someone exhibiting bare arms and legs was asking to be raped.

Sad really, when victims of child abuse have their home backgrounds questioned, and what they happened to be wearing, instead of what is much more important. That being the fact that these men see these children as being worthless human beings, deserving of vile gang rape.

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Always thought you were an intelligent man until I read that rubbish.
Why do you think they were advertising and what were they wearing when attacked?

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I think we may be getting a little sidetracked by the dress aspect here, the root of the problem is the fact that these girls have been enticed into a very dangerous & sinister situation that has been ongoing prior to Police intervention in Dec 2008. Since the inception of "Operation Retriever" it transpires the abusers are from a Pakistani background & that is a fact, no amount of mitigation can change that so there is no racial question to answer it is purely crime & punishment.

‘Operation Retriever’ busts Sex Gang for abusing vulnerable girls | Newsnet 14

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Please yourself, why do you think they dress like that, to attract other girls, No to show their sex appeal, that they have more umph, than the others. I still say there is no need for them to be strutting around 1/2 naked, and not expecting a result.
None of my daugters were allowed out dressed like that, and they were banned from entering pubs & clubs.
Retlaw.

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Hardly the oufits of pre-teen strumpets.

http://focusuk.files.wordpress.com/2...pg?w=432&h=313

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Not sure how Jack Straw can be racist for stating fact, some may not be too comfy about it but it’s going on.

As far as a female being seen as “easy meat” or asking for it because of the clothes they wear just doesn’t wash.

On holiday lots of women go topless, are they to be viewed as “easy” ? Some use nudist beaches, some are more adventurous and do the sex party scene it’s their choice, it doesn’t mean they want to be violated and it certainly doesn’t give anyone the right to do so.

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What else is new, they deny every thing, even when its under their noses and proven. Just goes to show how much these asian leaders know or are in control of their followers.

Retlaw.

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When you put the full story, maybe i am bang out of order ,,perhaps i am living in the past ,i didnt mean to be quite so rude,,,but the dress sense and the language of some girls today is to say at the very least,,eye opening,,,,,:o

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You cant lay the blame at the door of the religious leaders, what can they do? Why should an Asian pay anymore attention to their local religious leader than I do to the local Vicar ?

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There is a huge difference between your vicar and an imam.
The imams have a vast influence in their community......therefore the power to influence the male population.
They aren't just religious leaders they are respected in their community and are seen as wise.
The muslim religion is different too.....the children are inculcated(some would say brainwashed) into the dogmas of the faith as soon as they can talk....some would say, as soon as they are born as the newborn child has a prayer whispered into its ear as soon as possible after it is born.


Granny I know what you are saying, but it still doesn't excuse the men......they(in lots of cases) drugged or plied the girls with alcohol so that they couldn't resist, they isolated them from any friends and family that they might have, and then they used threats and intimidation in order to sexually abuse the girls.......and this is a very serious situation.
It has been going on for a number of years.......the LET highlighted it a couple of years ago and still it is happening.
It is not before time that Jack Straw has woken up to this fact.

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True, but you can question a culture that prizes the 'purity' of it's own female relatives, but with some quite happy to rape girls as young as eleven, who happen to be from a differing cultural background.

Anyone who doesn't think this grooming/abuse isn't rife is deluded.

There are as many as ten 'slag houses' (rented properties used as drinking/smoking/gang banging dens) within five miles of Accy Town Hall.

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but with some quite happy to rape girls as young as eleven, who happen to be from a differing cultural background.

think this could also apply to many "Brits" who travel to the far-east for a bit of "lads fun"

There are as many as ten 'slag houses' (rented properties used as drinking/smoking/gang banging dens) within five miles of Accy Town Hall

same old story , same as drugs , a local ten year old can tell where the local 'crack' house is , but the authoritys have a problem finding them, wonder why :eek:

re. my earlier post about the family circumstances of these kids ,which you seemed to take umbrage too, the point I was making was that if the parents/caregivers of these kids were 'on the ball' some of this abuse could have been prevented

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I quite agree. Sex tourists, those who exploit those from third world countries, could also be classed as racially motivated, in that they target the economically vunerable from poor countries.

I really don't see what the child victims wore, or their family background has to do with these crimes.

Raping children is wrong, full stop.

In the real world even children from two parent families, with a home with a picket fence, and roses round the door, can't be kept under lock and key 24/7, in that most have to venture out into the world, to attend school etc.

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Jack Straw is partly correct, but I wonder how many cases have their been of this? Asian men grooming and then abusing these young girls? As far as I can see it's not a frequent event, but I don't know all the statistics.

You often see groups of girls aged from about 12 up to 16 at night standing on house estates - this is the parents fault and they are obviously from dysfuntional familes, perhaps with single mothers etc. These are the type of kids targeted. It's the fact of the difference in contemporary British cultural values compared to those of Asian ones.

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You know me Walter and I very much respect you, but I think your wrong in this case mate, to me its called growing up, kids of 12 or 13 are just following trends, things they read about in mags such as bunty and the like, they certainly don't go out with a sign on their back saying rape me

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I get so very angry when I read some of the replies posted on here. Why can't people deal with the facts??? The facts as reported in the papers and in TV shows such as the one Jaysay mentioned are that gangs of monsters are targetting young girls to procure them for sex. Plying them with drugs and drink into the bargain, how the girls dress or whether they come from a broken home is irrelevant.

What is happening is wrong and if people can't see that it is their problem. Maybe if folk stopped making excuses for the scum justice might be seen to be done if/when they are apprehended.

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Why is it ok to target young girls who happen to be out at night??? Why is it ok for Asian men to groom these girls??? The fact is this is child abuse and no amount of excuses can change that fact:mad::mad::mad:

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Spot on Bernie. I'm male, I see females dressed in all sorts of skimpy clothing, I don't go out plying them with drugs and alchohol and raping them. It's not difficult to understand whats right and wrong is it

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'...researchers identified 17 court prosecutions since 1997, 14 of them in the past three years, involving the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by groups of men.'

'Three of the 56 were white, 53 were Asian'

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That is one of the most crass remarks made in todays society. Many single mothers are not there by choice. I was lucky ( unlucky ? ) in that I became a single Dad. It's not until you actually get involved in that environment that you realise many single mothers are just that because of the way selfish people treat them and leave them in that position.

Yes there are the steroetype young single mum's out there, but there are also a lot of kids with both parents present who really don't give a damn on the way they bring them up.

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Quite agree.

A victim (from Blackburn) has just been interviewed on BBC 1.

She was targeted at the ice rink, and her other friends had first been approached at the cinema, or in the shopping centre.

Young girls should have the freedom to socialise with their friends.

It's these men who need taking off the streets and locking up, not their child victims.

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Good to know that the majority of us can identify with the the trurh about this horrendous behaviour but it does make so angry when I read posts trying to excuse it:mad::mad::mad: Time to stop trying to make excuses or casting blame in any direction other than at the vile things that think it is ok to abuse young girls:mad::mad::mad:

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My own mother was brought up by her war widowed single mum.

My mum sometimes went to the pictures as a teenager, and occasionally walked home if she didn't have the bus fare back.

If she'd been raped or attacked, there'd probably been some similarly ignorant fool who'd say she'd been asking for it.

Teenagers should have freedom, and a safe society to grow up in.

It's the vile abusers who are in the wrong, not their victims.

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Thanks for the information. I believe that the Police are becoming too politically correct and will often back a black/asian person against a white - for fear of being called Racist. This issue was covered on program this morning "The Big Question" that Police are becoming too politically correct when it comes to race. I know they are from experience.

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As soon as I knew what they were going to discuss I turned it over. I knew my blood would boil with the pathetic non-denials they would come up with

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Some of the posts in this thread sicken me.

It's the sort of defence the abusers use.

Labelling some children, because of their background, or attire, as being partly to blame for the attacks they suffer.

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Note I said "perhaps"! But however I have seen a gang of under aged 16 year old girls out at midnight in my own neighbourhood - and I know that least one of them had a single mother. I didn't know them, but as they passed me one of them made a comment that suggested (Yes they were joking) that "would I be interested!" While the others egged her on. So it's obvious that young people under 16 are going round acting like this. It's not just one cause - but look at the content of most of the video's made by major pop stars today! Most of them contain sexual content.

Note: I am not supporting abusers, but I am saying that modern culture - music, magazines, soaps, TV are all encouraging the sexualisation of children (meaning people under 16) - while the sexual predators are lurking in the shadows waiting to exploit it.

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Maybe you should be more careful as the word perhaps, can be very offencive to some people:(

Absolutely agree,
No matter what these girls are wearing, no matter where they may be, no matter what time it is AND no matter how they may be acting, there is no excuse for any man of ANY background to take advantage of or force his attentions on any of them.
Any man found to be guilty should feel the full force of the law.

We claim to have a system were people are innocent until proven guilty, yet some of out contributors to this thread would pass the guilt onto the abused rather than the abuser just because of the way they dress or because they perceive the girls are from the 'wrong background'!

How stupid, can a person be? These so called men don't care about the girls background, they just want their own perverse pleasures.

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Wanna know the main problem in society is the fact they can assume people thro stereotypical attitudes - that's the sickening bit. How many people that commented about rape situations know what it's like to be in that situation as those that commented about single parents etc, too many think they know but actually don't !

To put ONE major stereotype about rape is - it's not what u wear or lack of it, young girls, even just females at risk that's for starters! Mis informed information puts the danger there or overtly panics so called risky Groups and others at risk. Rape happens in many guises and situations ..... Off my soap box.

Parenting has changed, it's just not about the so selfish had kids and don't look after em, that I agree is wrong, but that parents don't have the control our parents were allowed, do gooders again stereotyped us all that try to discipline correctly as wrong with the selfish parent bracket, kids have more rights than we did. Schools are another problem they don't like pupils being themselves and only care for grades and appearance, social personal education isn't important. But then again its as always the parents fault isn't it? No matter how hard we try.

Abusers - lawless society, penalties are weak, no deterrent, defendants rights before victims etc etc

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You don't know the statistics but then you go on to say its not a frequent event...as far as you can see. So really you are not in a position to make this statement.

It may be more prevalent in areas where the demographics and social backgrounds allow it to happen......but this is not an excuse even if it only happened to one girl.....it would be one too many.......and can you imagine the outcry if these were asian girls targeted by white males.

Ok, you may say it would never happen because of the cultural background of the Asian girls....that isn't the issue here. The issue is child abuse by a certain sector of the population......who target girls they know to be vulnerable, for whatever reason.

And if the girls are from dysfunctional families, that is really not their fault.
They still deserve to be protected from these roaming asian predators.

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On a serious note proper education is needed, for a long time I would like to see self defence lessons a major part of the PE curriculum at schools, and offered at community centres pro active way to keep safe rather than telling the public to stay in and be scared of going out because of sex pests and violent gangs.

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I agree in principle to what Straw has said, but when white girls are portrayed by the likes of The Sun and The Star newspapers (and in many cases by themselves) as hard drinking ladettes who are up for anything, then it comes as no surprise surprise that they are looked upon as 'easy meat'.

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Some, so called newspapers, portray all women, regardless of race, as 'up for anything'.

That is a terribley poor excuse for the grooming, and violent abuse of young children.

Some people on here sound like the religious fanatics who demand that females be covered head to toe, so as not to incite the ardour of any man, and those who don't are asking to be attacked.

These are victims.

Child victims.

There are no excuses.

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I suspect Jack will have to watch out over the next few weeks, otherwise he could end up like the congresswoman from Arizona. Mind you, she did survive a bullet going straight through her head, although whether this was due to her being a) a Yank, b) a woman, c) a politician or d) a combination of all three and thus having little up top, I don't know.

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There is absolutely no excuse for the disgusting sexual exploitation of anyone, male or female. I am as heartened as any red blooded male by the sight of a pretty girl - but to acknowledge the grooming or ravishing of them is unthinkable. At least we can agree that the trashy red-top newspapers are only fit to be used as toilet paper - not reading matter!

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As insensitive as ever Tealeaf.
The poor Congresswoman in America is fighting for her life after being shot by some mindless man, who has been allowed to use a lethal weapon.
And you consider this a suitable subject to make a joke about?
Crass and insensitive!

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Eh? I have simply pointed out that because of what Mr Straw has said, he may well now be subject to an attack of the non-verbal kind.

As regards our American cousins, what is so unusual about what happened yesterday? They have chosen - through the ballot box - for the right to bear arms and as such they feel fit to use those weapons to kill hundreds of their fellow citizens each week. Sometimes those killings are of the multiple kind and we see a number of those each year, of which what happened in Arizona is only one example. That in this instance it involved a politician is irrelevant other than to my allusion to the Honourable Member for Blackburn. So where is my joke?

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It's in #61

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Don't come the old soldier Tealeaf.......I was not referring to your comment about Jack Straw(the man courted these people for their easy vote).



I was referring to your tasteless comment about a congresswoman who may never fully recover......because a mindless male (they seem to always be male don't they?)with a gun had not only taken a pop at the politician, but had also killed other innocent members of the public.......the joke...well I will quote what you wrote just to refresh your memory.....

Mind you, she did survive a bullet going straight through her head, although whether this was due to her being a) A Yank b) a woman c)a politician or d) a combination of all 3, thus having little up top, I don't know.

Those comments were offensive to Americans, Women, and particularly educated women.

The reference to the right of the american population to bear arms is irrelevant, you are just trying to justify your crass comments...but failing miserably.
There is one thing......you never disappoint me, you always have to come up with some cynical and smart alec comment. PBWY

Yes they do, can't argue with you on that one.
Near as dammit always male & just like in an Alfred Hitchcock film near as dammit always brought up by a clinging Mother!

P.S. What does PBWY mean?

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Peace be with you, my child.

:angel:

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I got pinged with this an hour ago, if you have the D/L it maybe worth a look?

BBC iPlayer - The Big Questions: Series 4: Episode 1

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Seems like you took a little flack from this one ... but I see the humour. It seems that in every disaster/tragedy, or whatever overinflated adjective the media uses, there is always a joke, not always tasteful, but often funny. Funny in the sense that it is hard to restrain a chuckle, or even an outright guffaw. It's almost 25 years since the Challenger blew up; but I remember hearing only hours after the explosion: "Hey, do you know that NASA stands for 'Need another seven astrounauts." Whatever. And I do agree with your point about the Second Ammendment. This allows Americans to kill over 12,000 of their fellow citizens each year. Seems like murder in the States doesn't make the news unless it's multiple and/or high profile.

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Eric, you may be able to see the humour in the comment( and goodness knows humour is something that we could use a little of) but to my mind (and maybe I'm on my own here) it seems that Tealeaf never misses an opportunity to take a pop at women....and frequently makes, what are, insensitive remarks.

It is not an endearing trait.

Just as a post script. I worked in the medical profession for years and understand 'black humour' and the function it has......but I find his comments just plain nasty.

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The chances of Jack Straw getting shot are less than zero in this country. So it's not even really a joke to suggest he could be. He may start getting some annonymous hate mail though!

Oh yes? And what colour wax crayon do you plan to use for this letter?

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Just as he wishes he lived in Ossy and so comments on it so much, I suspect also that he wishes he was a woman. AT least then he would have one instead of being one :rolleyes::D

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I'm with you on this one Margaret, never have seen the humour in anybody being attacked in anyway be it a man or a woman

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Presume your talking about a big mouth Neil:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

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glad to hear I'm not in a club of one John.

Mindless violence like this saddens me....and the fact that it didn't happen here is no consolation whatsoever.

Neil, I don't think Tealeaf wants to be a woman at all, and if he hasn't got one...well, that would be no surprise would it?
I wouldn't have him gift wrapped and hanging with diamonds....I'd rather have a cat!

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One only needs to try to put oneself in the position of spouse , father , mother , son , or daughter of one of those murdered to see that it is tragedy not comedy .

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Think you only need to be a member of the human race to feel that JCB

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That is spot on!
As I have got older, I find I have become more sensitive about such tragedies.....maybe it is because I have experienced first hand, many of the things that life can throw at you. Empathy.

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I see your point .... and am sort of relieved about your comment about "black humour" ... a friend of mine whose alzheimers is getting worse and worse, told me just before Christmas that he would be buying his own surprise gifts ... he believes that the odd laugh about his condition helps keep him on an even keel and away from his shotgun.

But, I believe that one can see the humour in jokes that are racist, sexist, homophobic etc., without hating blacks, women, and gays. Jokes seem to be constructs based on eliciting reactions. If a joke makes you laugh, or feel like laughing, it works; if it doesn't, it is a flop. Your beliefs about how society should be organized, or should organize itself, do not depend on your sense of humour.

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seem to remember seeing that there is a by-election coming up soon in the Oldham area , could Jack Straw's comments not be seen as a bit of 'spin' to draw back/increase the traditional Labour vote, or am I being cynical :eek: ;)

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Yes Eric, Black humour has a valuable and valid use.....in that it promotes, and is promoted by a coping mechanism.... to help deal with unsavoury/scary/traumatic events.
You have to know your peers/audience pretty well before using black humour as it can be offensive to those who are not in the circle.

What Tealeaf frequently does, is try to get a rise out of people by making what could be considered, inflammatory remarks.
As I said before...not an endearing trait.

Should we ask the mods to change the thread title to 'Tealeaf Racist Or Correct'?

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Nine more arrested in Rochdale for you know what, this is just the tip if the iceberg

Police probe into claims of gang grooming girls for sex in Rochdale - Manchester Evening News

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In what respect could my previous observations be construed as Racist? Sexist - possibly. Questioning the intelligence of politicians (of all persuasions) - certainly. But ridiculing our American cousins and some of their crazy ideas cannot, I think, be in any way classed as racist.

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"Sexist - possibly" Tealeaf! You must have a Master's degree in misogyny!

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So aren't Americans a different race then?
When asked for their origin I have a sneaking feeling that most of them would say they were American......not caucasian.

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I think it could possibly be a Doctorate...he is practised enough.

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Keep away from semantics ossylass, especially where Tealeaf is concerned:D:D

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And some of them would pull a Glock and start shooting:uzi:;)

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maybe its just part of our inate American psyche ....Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset :eek: ;)

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I would suggest given the population of Oldham if he's trying to increase the Labour vote by his comments he's scored a massive own goal ;)

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Happen I'm getting the constituancies mixed up , thought it was Oldham or somewhere nearby where Gordon Brown accused the white woman (an old traditional labour voter) of being a bigot during th last general election :confused:

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Yes it was

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Rochdale was his final nail in the coffin

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Gillian Duffy, the woman Brown insulted, is from Rochdale.

Oldham East and Saddleworth has quite a sizable asian population.

It's fairly ludicrous to suggest Straw said what he did to influence this Thursday's by-election.

The only ludicrous thing is that Straw keeping quiet for so long, even after the problem in Blackburn was made high profile years ago, following a campaign by the Lancashire Evening Telegraph.

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I stand corrected, but at least it was somewhere nearby :)

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True.

They're all in the bits of Lancashire we trimmed off in the seventies, because they're peopled by bigots.

:D

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Part of "our" innate American psyche? Who are you trying to kid, SJ? Once an 'arroder... ;)