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Just a thought.. the present protests in north africa and mid east against thier governments who are ruling under a minority to pay for thier way of life ..would you go on the streets and risk you're life? should this be supported by cameron.. the man and his party who are hell bent on repressing any social meaning in this country?
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I used to protest when the Blairs used to spend their family holidays in the police state, with the appaling human rights records, that was 'friendly' old Mubarak's Egypt.
Same with our other close ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia. Atrocious human rights abuses carried out daily. As Steeljack's pointed out, historically the area is a nightmare. The area having been carved up for years, for political, and financial gain. I hope the revolutions, which seem very much led by people power, result in greater freedom, and autonomy for the social networkers that are bringing about the changes. I'll protest when it's a clearer picture. Especially if the result is less freedom, after power is seized by religious fundamentalists. |
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Very well ..I know there is a difference in these countries regarding historical upheaval and such.. makes us feel we are safe from this kind of stuff.. but when is the time to stop moaning about Blair or Thatcher and decide it is the time to take to the streets?.. when this sort of thing happens on a lower scale in this country these people would be called anarchists.
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I'll answer myself.. when you live in a country governed by rich well educated chancers that have not got a clue how to run an economy the size of which we live in.. a lazy government that sits back and sees 1 million youngsters unemployed .. the highest youth unemployment in history.. sits back and say's we all deserve it for Labours shortcomings.. a government hell bent on destroying the hard work and suffering our grandparents and parents did for the better of us .. when do the people say it is enough?..this is not what the protesters in the middle east are on about..?
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I've posted before, the British weather isn't conducive to insurgecy.
No one takes to the streets, when 'it looks like rain later' The English are rubbish at revolts. Better say indoors, and take your velvet coat off. You won't feel the benefit later. |
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Compared to our forefathers, whose life was one of endless toil, we have 'never had it so good'. There'll be no revolution here. Not while there's Sky Sports, microwaves, and prawn rings on the shelves of Iceland. |
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I need to get a grip on the polling lark.. I do mean would it be right for actual mass protest against a government that has made itself immune to re-election..a government that can impose any laws on the british public at thier will?.. just as the public in Bahrain and Libya are willing to die for?
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never understood why the Police in mainland UK have never used "water canon" on the "great unwashed" if it's good enough to be used on the Northen Irish/Ulstermen why isn't good enough for the London's liberal effette :rolleyes: ;) :D
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Hmmm, a bit of a can of worms here.
When Teflon Tony, banned all noisy protest out side parliament, I did not see many people shouting revolt. Under the last government we saw our freedoms go one by one, thankfully we did not get the ID card. And Dave and Nick are not having that a good time either. BUT to take the fact that Mancie and I are on differing sides of the political fence out of this discussion here... We in the UK have rights, we can go where we want, when we want, with whoever we want and have no fear of being reported, arrested, beaten or killed. When I lived in Morocco, I as a westerner, had to carry photographic id with me at all times, could be stopped and questioned in the street, if I wanted to purchase anything over a value of £50.00, I had to prove my address, could not say publicly anything about the King, (who is a direct descendent of Allah), carry a bible or practice Christian worship. Now this was a liberal Muslim state, I have been to a few that are not as free as there. My house maid, she lived in a corrugated shed with her family, the money I gave her, which was double what we originally agreed on, helped her obtain clothes, furnishings and even a Mobile phone, she had never had one before. We are so used to going to the shops and getting food, booze, clothes with no real problems, even those on benefits, something they do not have in Morocco or other Arab States. Finally wealth, well I have never seen so many Ferrari's, Porsche's, Lamborghini's etc, I even say a few Pigani Zonda's down there anywhere else in the world, as I saw on a daily basis in Casablanca, in Africa you are either filthy rich or filthy poor. Now that is something worth fighting for. |
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Oh look another public poll so people wont want to vote in case so they don't get picked on.
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Oh look. Another public post. Which no one will disagree with, in case they get picked on. :tongueout |
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I prefer you when you are being grumpy , not when your trying to be funny :p
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When you think I'm trying to be funny, I'm actually sat here hysterical, but wearing a strait jacket, and dictate the posts to the nurse. ;):D |
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It's all come as a bit of a shock, hasn't it? Didn't you like the stainless steel street furniture on Broadway? It only cost half a million quid. Did you get a wet bot-bot, because the seats remain wet, days after it last rained? You need to get out more. ;):D |
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Would I support Protest?
NO, I would be out on the street organising a revolt against it. |
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Sweeping cuts across the board are painful & divisive but as long as people continue to get something they won't rise up in open rebellion/revolution peaceful or bloody because it puts them outside their comfort zone. Easy enough to see by the "Uprising" of the Anarchy/Anti capitalists/outraged students. a couple of days kicking off & slumming it to fight the Fascist pigs & their lackeys then back home for a shower & kyle, back to their state funded accommodation & their giro, or hand outs from Mummy & Daddy in comfortable suburbia who are plodding away in the City. Nah ! We're to soft & we really don't know the meaning of true hardship & suffering so it's not going to happen. |
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The subtle difference between us and the arabs who are rebelling is -
..they know they are under the rule of tyrannical despots. Obedient slaves are the ones who think they have 'freedom' "Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible"- Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society |
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in the uk i think its a case of been pushed to the limit before action is taken by the public like the lead up to the poll tax riots which acheived the desired effect and brought and end to the poll tax yet withing a few months these people who stood up and acted were branded thugs and criminals and the majority of people bought into it.
however when a group of truckers fought for everyone to get fuel lowered and blockaded rifineries a lot of people didnt see the bigger picture and moaned about fuel shortages when petrol stations ran out of fuel :rolleyes: today the british public choose to use tools such as facebook to protest which are very easily ignored by those in charge and unless the protest group gets a mention in the press its most likely the people in charge will never be aware of it. sadly nothing ever gets done until it starts effecting london and the polititions directly.If it appears they are going to loose a lot of votes their ears open |
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It's if it was taught to you by robots. Keep up the good work. Your puppet masters will be pleased with you. ;):D |
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Is MargaretR Lifeinthemix in disguise?
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Who's mocking? Have you seen that Lifeinthemix website? From start to finish it's the loonatic garbage that Margaret posts on here; in fact, those posts could well be a copy and paste job.
As for one truth...yeah, just believe me. |
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You have a point, Mancie, hence the lower end of the income bracket being penalised just for being poor. What this so called government need to do is stop handing out our income taxes to foreigners of every ilk who seem to look upon the UK as some sort of milch cow. I still firmly believe that we should kick Europe into touch, but our cowardly subservience to the status-quo makes it a virtual impossibility.
I haven't voted in any election for the last decade, but give us a referendum on membership of the European Union and I will be first past the post. |
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The measure of weight given to any protest in England now usually involves the number of hits that a Facebook campaign gets.
We can't even organise a peaceful sit-in at Peel Street toilets due to a locked door. |
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They were still supporting Mubarak until it was clear he'd lost. Then it was jolly well done you protesters. Brtitish governments have supported Egypt for years, despite it being a police state, with one of the worst human rights records on the planet. |
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whoever gets into power in egypt after the elections you can gurentee america and cameron will be kissing their backsides and offering things at our expense to help them settle in.Could this be because sandy areas tend to have oil in them over that way ?
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Mr.Blair took his family on their summer holidays to Egypt, twice, as the guest of that nice President Mubarak, whilst he was Prime Minister. Don't start playing party politics. As Cashy said, they're all cut from the same cloth. In this case, it was stuffed in Cherie's bulging suitcase, filled with bargain Egyptian 2-fold cotton poplin bed sheets. |
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I thought the Arab world was waiting with bated breath, for the next proclaimation about the situation, from that bald Yorkshire man. The one, who in true tight arse Yorkshire style, shares a double room with his young special advisor lad. :rolleyes::D |
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Hague. Foreign Secretary, or something. That's the chappy. Please don't tell me the world's not listening to him. :eek: |
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No, they won't be. Though the people who have answered the advertisment to be his new special advisor, probably are. :smileysx: |
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I don't know if any of you are aware of UKuncut, which is a grassroots movement by ordinary people to get large companies, who pay little or no tax in this country to pay up.
UK Uncut They describe themselves as direct action against the cuts. I first heard of them at the beginning of November, when they had started targetting vodaphone. They are now having nationwide protests every weekend. |
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I always assumed no one bothered reading mine. Very gratifying to know different. ;):D |
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I have been on protest marches, for specific issues, but things would have to change radically before I took to the streets, to demand a different style of government, from the type we have now.
It's far from perfect, but I feel lucky to live in this country, and don't want to see what we have now overthrown. |
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just got back from a 'hot' of the world. We managed to get some Western Doctors and their families out...the joy of Biz jets
Felt sorry for those that are there, maybe the dictator has now left. |
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Thanks Rindi,
Back home now, I left the Morocco company last year and got this biz jet job through a old friend. But we do spend a lot of time in those nice places. BG |
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So put that Che beret and combat jacket back in the cupboard, chuck that Guerilla Warfare Handbook back on the shelf and get yourself off down the Bermondsey Arms. The revolution won't be starting today. "..but what can a poor boy do in sleepy London town, 'cos London just ain't no place for a streetfightin' man." ;) |
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I.O.U. karma, but apparently it's been a give, give, give kind of a day, karma wise. |
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Great minds think alike...twice tonight!
Spot on Steve. |
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Muchas gracias, Gary & Margaret.
No sign of Mancie...do you think he's gone off to join the Libyan Liberation Army (Bermondsey Division)? :eek: |
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There's no one leading the Tooting Popular Front, since I moved away. :D |
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But in response to the thread question: I think that the British people should protest in the way that we and the Americans do, and this corresponds to the intent of the First Ammendment to the US Constitution. [Parliament] shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances. |
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Poverty is relative. I refute the figure that 13% of children in this country live in poverty, whilst there's access to clean water, education, and a social benefits system which should mean that no one dies of starvation in the U.K. 'A spokesman for the charity said: "Measuring Severe Child Poverty in the UK reveals that 13% of the UK's children are now living in severe poverty and shows that efforts to reduce child poverty have not only stalled but have slid into reverse." Child poverty fight 'slid into reverse' - UK Politics, UK - The Independent Sadly we do hear about cases of children living in appalling conditions. However that is child abuse, caused by feckless adults, and not as a result of real poverty. |
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Though Maggie did famously whisk him round the dance floor, when Mugabe was guest of honour at dinner she held in his honour in 1979. Which to some would show an equal level of taste, with Li'l Willy Hague's insistence on sharing a bed with his little special advisor chum. ;) |
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Mad Dog Gaddafi likes to display his medals, scrambled egg and silverware on his chest, just like all the other crackpot dictators such as Amin, Mugabe, Mubarak. I bet though, that none of 'em have got a HBC leaders medal.
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about Cameron sticking his oar in telling the Eygptian government they must listen to the people..Libya looks like a different kettle o fish.... but I don't live in Africa! When there is massive protest here not even 8 months into Camerons ill gained premiership he fobs it off .. maybe I should have asked the question "when would you support massive protest"? should people wait for 40yrs as in Libya ?..Cameron and his sidekicks would be better off listening to his own country men and women before he sticks his head into other countries affairs... and before anyone starts harkin on about Blair the same would be said for him. PS.. I know of no such pub as the "Bermondsey Arms" and combat jackets maybe all the fashion in Accy but not in my neck of the woods :rolleyes: |
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They've forecast showers later. There'll be none of your protests here. |
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To stick up for Dave and Nick at least we are to have a referendum this year about the voting system, as they promised. I am still waiting for the Euro referendum promised by Tony and then Gordon........ Lets face it, they are all the dammed same |
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Just watching BBC Breakfast news. A report about 1.5 million UK children living in 'severe poverty', according to the charity Save the Children. They interviewed a woman in Manchester who receives £200.00 per week, for her and her four children. Big flat screen telly, washing machine. Sat there in tattoos, a neck full of gold necklaces, gold rings on every finger. Compared to those living without clean water, and the threat of starvation, nevermind that an education is but a dream, this is not poverty, it's fecklessness. |
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And, yes, I'm well aware that there's no Bermondsey Arms. It was a tongue-in-cheek, throwaway comment and if I'd said the Old Justice or the Boatman, most Accywebbers (apart from Tealeaf) wouldn't have known what I was on about. You're not becoming one of those humourless Trotskyist types who keep trying to sell me newpapers in downtown Manchester on a Saturday afternoon, are you, Mancie? ;) |
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I forget you have the advantage over me. Being able to read the 'Unemployed' tattoo on people's forheads. |
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I've always imagined Mancie hard at it, up a White Bull, or even relaxiing in a Queen's Arms, hardly protesting at all. Merry in ale.
Never in slumped in a Boatman. Funny really. The thoughts that flash through your head. :D |
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Some Simple Simon with the same Mindset as yourself, shouted from the window of a rusty Transit van, "Go on you Basketweaver, cash your giro, you lot are a pile of excreta". I replied that he should really get a life, (similar to yourself), I rent a property, I am in advance with my rent, I have a sky dish outside but I use Virgin, (much faster), you really are pathetic, is it jealousy? I see no reason you should be jealous of me, but I can see that someone with half a brain, that works hard, could turn you into the spiteful person you are. :mad: |
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Decent folk leave us alone. |
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The police are collecting registration numbers of those that do it, and send warning letters to their homes. 'Honest love.' 'I was only driving so slow, peering out the window, trying to work out if they were on the game...not game! 'Dole!' 'Scroungers on the dole.' |
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