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Mancie 18-02-2011 22:37

would you support protest?
 
Just a thought.. the present protests in north africa and mid east against thier governments who are ruling under a minority to pay for thier way of life ..would you go on the streets and risk you're life? should this be supported by cameron.. the man and his party who are hell bent on repressing any social meaning in this country?

garinda 18-02-2011 23:11

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I used to protest when the Blairs used to spend their family holidays in the police state, with the appaling human rights records, that was 'friendly' old Mubarak's Egypt.

Same with our other close ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia. Atrocious human rights abuses carried out daily.

As Steeljack's pointed out, historically the area is a nightmare. The area having been carved up for years, for political, and financial gain.

I hope the revolutions, which seem very much led by people power, result in greater freedom, and autonomy for the social networkers that are bringing about the changes.

I'll protest when it's a clearer picture.

Especially if the result is less freedom, after power is seized by religious fundamentalists.

Mancie 18-02-2011 23:55

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Very well ..I know there is a difference in these countries regarding historical upheaval and such.. makes us feel we are safe from this kind of stuff.. but when is the time to stop moaning about Blair or Thatcher and decide it is the time to take to the streets?.. when this sort of thing happens on a lower scale in this country these people would be called anarchists.

Mancie 19-02-2011 00:13

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I'll answer myself.. when you live in a country governed by rich well educated chancers that have not got a clue how to run an economy the size of which we live in.. a lazy government that sits back and sees 1 million youngsters unemployed .. the highest youth unemployment in history.. sits back and say's we all deserve it for Labours shortcomings.. a government hell bent on destroying the hard work and suffering our grandparents and parents did for the better of us .. when do the people say it is enough?..this is not what the protesters in the middle east are on about..?

garinda 19-02-2011 00:18

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I've posted before, the British weather isn't conducive to insurgecy.

No one takes to the streets, when 'it looks like rain later'

The English are rubbish at revolts.

Better say indoors, and take your velvet coat off. You won't feel the benefit later.

garinda 19-02-2011 00:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 884874)
I'll answer myself.. when you live in a country governed by rich well educated chancers that have not got a clue how to run an economy the size of which we live in.. a lazy government that sits back and sees 1 million youngsters unemployed .. the highest youth unemployment in history.. sits back and say's we all deserve it for Labours shortcomings.. a government hell bent on destroying the hard work and suffering our grandparents and parents did for the better of us .. when do the people say it is enough?..this is not what the protesters in the middle east are on about..?

Harold McMillan was right.

Compared to our forefathers, whose life was one of endless toil, we have 'never had it so good'.

There'll be no revolution here.

Not while there's Sky Sports, microwaves, and prawn rings on the shelves of Iceland.

Mancie 19-02-2011 00:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 884879)
Harold McMillan was right.

Compared to our forefathers, whose life was one of endless toil, we have 'never had it so good'.

There'll be no revolution here.

Not while there's Sky Sports, microwaves, and prawn rings on the shelves of Iceland.

Tis true.. never had it so good when you think about having a ****e in a freezing back yard bog.. we have come far and gone abit soft.. but when does it click that all social progress in this country is now under attack?

garinda 19-02-2011 01:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 884881)
but when does it click that all social progress in this country is now under attack?


Sssshhh.

The nation's watching the telly.

Mancie 19-02-2011 04:03

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I need to get a grip on the polling lark.. I do mean would it be right for actual mass protest against a government that has made itself immune to re-election..a government that can impose any laws on the british public at thier will?.. just as the public in Bahrain and Libya are willing to die for?

steeljack 19-02-2011 04:09

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never understood why the Police in mainland UK have never used "water canon" on the "great unwashed" if it's good enough to be used on the Northen Irish/Ulstermen why isn't good enough for the London's liberal effette :rolleyes: ;) :D

Mancie 19-02-2011 04:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 884887)
never understood why the Police in mainland UK have never used "water canon" on the "great unwashed" if it's good enough to be used on the Northen Irish/Ulstermen why isn't good enough for the London's liberal effette :rolleyes: ;) :D

That's true.. never used water canon on the miners.. but they managed to murder some of them ..Cameron is telling the governments of countries he knows nothing about to listen to mass protesters.. but when there is a any protest here he calls them anarchists..

Boeing Guy 19-02-2011 06:55

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Hmmm, a bit of a can of worms here.
When Teflon Tony, banned all noisy protest out side parliament, I did not see many people shouting revolt.
Under the last government we saw our freedoms go one by one, thankfully we did not get the ID card.
And Dave and Nick are not having that a good time either.

BUT to take the fact that Mancie and I are on differing sides of the political fence out of this discussion here...

We in the UK have rights, we can go where we want, when we want, with whoever we want and have no fear of being reported, arrested, beaten or killed.
When I lived in Morocco, I as a westerner, had to carry photographic id with me at all times, could be stopped and questioned in the street, if I wanted to purchase anything over a value of £50.00, I had to prove my address, could not say publicly anything about the King, (who is a direct descendent of Allah), carry a bible or practice Christian worship.
Now this was a liberal Muslim state, I have been to a few that are not as free as there.
My house maid, she lived in a corrugated shed with her family, the money I gave her, which was double what we originally agreed on, helped her obtain clothes, furnishings and even a Mobile phone, she had never had one before.
We are so used to going to the shops and getting food, booze, clothes with no real problems, even those on benefits, something they do not have in Morocco or other Arab States.
Finally wealth, well I have never seen so many Ferrari's, Porsche's, Lamborghini's etc, I even say a few Pigani Zonda's down there anywhere else in the world, as I saw on a daily basis in Casablanca, in Africa you are either filthy rich or filthy poor.
Now that is something worth fighting for.

Neil 19-02-2011 07:43

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Oh look another public poll so people wont want to vote in case so they don't get picked on.

garinda 19-02-2011 07:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 884904)
Oh look another public poll so people wont want to vote in case so they don't get picked on.


Oh look.

Another public post.

Which no one will disagree with, in case they get picked on.

:tongueout

Neil 19-02-2011 08:01

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I prefer you when you are being grumpy , not when your trying to be funny :p

garinda 19-02-2011 08:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 884909)
I prefer you when you are being grumpy , not when your trying to be funny :p

When you think I'm being grumpy, I'm actually sat here in hysterics.

When you think I'm trying to be funny, I'm actually sat here hysterical, but wearing a strait jacket, and dictate the posts to the nurse.

;):D

Neil 19-02-2011 08:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 884912)
When you think I'm being grumpy, I'm actually sat here in hysterics.

So were we, glad to see your sense of humour is back. Now shall we arrange an uprising against HBC's use of stainless steel street furniture in the town centre?

garinda 19-02-2011 08:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 884919)
So were we, glad to see your sense of humour is back. Now shall we arrange an uprising against HBC's use of stainless steel street furniture in the town centre?

As I suspect.

It's all come as a bit of a shock, hasn't it?

Didn't you like the stainless steel street furniture on Broadway?

It only cost half a million quid.

Did you get a wet bot-bot, because the seats remain wet, days after it last rained?

You need to get out more.

;):D

Less 19-02-2011 10:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 884937)

Did you get a wet bot-bot, because the seats remain wet, days after it last rained?


;):D

We hope it's wet from the rain, but could stainless steel street furniture be getting wet because in the dark they get used as a substitute for a closed toilet?
:eek:

Less 19-02-2011 10:23

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Would I support Protest?

NO, I would be out on the street organising a revolt against it.

Neil 19-02-2011 10:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 884979)
We hope it's wet from the rain, but could stainless steel street furniture be getting wet because in the dark they get used as a substitute for a closed toilet?
:eek:

I am getting really worried about you Less and your toilet fetish :D

Less 19-02-2011 10:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 884983)
I am getting really worried about you Less and your toilet fetish :D

No need to worry, come the revolution we'll all be with our backs against the wall without a pot to hiss in, (come to think of it, with our backs to the wall we'll be in no position to pish into anything).
:)

DaveinGermany 19-02-2011 10:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 884889)
Cameron is telling the governments of countries he knows nothing about to listen to mass protesters.. but when there is a any protest here he calls them anarchists..

Different Worlds mate. I see your point but can't see anything happening as we've become to comfortable in our ways. No matter how much the screw is turned folk will whinge & bitch, maybe even march in protest, but to actually force a change the attitude isn't present.

Sweeping cuts across the board are painful & divisive but as long as people continue to get something they won't rise up in open rebellion/revolution peaceful or bloody because it puts them outside their comfort zone. Easy enough to see by the "Uprising" of the Anarchy/Anti capitalists/outraged students. a couple of days kicking off & slumming it to fight the Fascist pigs & their lackeys then back home for a shower & kyle, back to their state funded accommodation & their giro, or hand outs from Mummy & Daddy in comfortable suburbia who are plodding away in the City.

Nah ! We're to soft & we really don't know the meaning of true hardship & suffering so it's not going to happen.

MargaretR 19-02-2011 10:47

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The subtle difference between us and the arabs who are rebelling is -
..they know they are under the rule of tyrannical despots.

Obedient slaves are the ones who think they have 'freedom'


"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible"- Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society

cashman 19-02-2011 10:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 884986)
Different Worlds mate. I see your point but can't see anything happening as we've become to comfortable in our ways. No matter how much the screw is turned folk will whinge & bitch, maybe even march in protest, but to actually force a change the attitude isn't present.

Sweeping cuts across the board are painful & divisive but as long as people continue to get something they won't rise up in open rebellion/revolution peaceful or bloody because it puts them outside their comfort zone. Easy enough to see by the "Uprising" of the Anarchy/Anti capitalists/outraged students. a couple of days kicking off & slumming it to fight the Fascist pigs & their lackeys then back home for a shower & kyle, back to their state funded accommodation & their giro, or hand outs from Mummy & Daddy in comfortable suburbia who are plodding away in the City.

Nah ! We're to soft & we really don't know the meaning of true hardship & suffering so it's not going to happen.

Hardship, there is no real hardship in the good ole U.K, in comparison to these middle east places, i say that having seen first hand, as fer supporting any protest in the middle east, not a chance at this point in time, thing is no-one has any idea what they would be supporting? democracy? fundamentalists? whilst everyone knows the existing rule is crap, ya gotta know what will replace it.

accyman 19-02-2011 10:53

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in the uk i think its a case of been pushed to the limit before action is taken by the public like the lead up to the poll tax riots which acheived the desired effect and brought and end to the poll tax yet withing a few months these people who stood up and acted were branded thugs and criminals and the majority of people bought into it.

however when a group of truckers fought for everyone to get fuel lowered and blockaded rifineries a lot of people didnt see the bigger picture and moaned about fuel shortages when petrol stations ran out of fuel :rolleyes:

today the british public choose to use tools such as facebook to protest which are very easily ignored by those in charge and unless the protest group gets a mention in the press its most likely the people in charge will never be aware of it.

sadly nothing ever gets done until it starts effecting london and the polititions directly.If it appears they are going to loose a lot of votes their ears open

garinda 19-02-2011 11:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 884987)
The subtle difference between us and the arabs who are rebelling is -
..they know they are under the rule of tyrannical despots.

Obedient slaves are the ones who think they have 'freedom'


"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible"- Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society

Same old mantra.

It's if it was taught to you by robots.

Keep up the good work.

Your puppet masters will be pleased with you.

;):D

Tealeaf 19-02-2011 11:53

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Is MargaretR Lifeinthemix in disguise?

garinda 19-02-2011 11:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 885011)
Is MargaretR Lifeinthemix in disguise?

Mocking is expected, by the zealous holders of the one truth.

;):D

Tealeaf 19-02-2011 12:07

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Who's mocking? Have you seen that Lifeinthemix website? From start to finish it's the loonatic garbage that Margaret posts on here; in fact, those posts could well be a copy and paste job.

As for one truth...yeah, just believe me.

Less 19-02-2011 13:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 885022)
Who's mocking? Have you seen that Lifeinthemix website? From start to finish it's the loonatic garbage that Margaret posts on here; in fact, those posts could well be a copy and paste job.

As for one truth...yeah, just believe me.

Well, I for one always seriously consider what mags has to say then, thank Britcliffe for the free but large bag of salt it can be taken with, at a pinch.
:D

jaysay 19-02-2011 14:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 885007)
Same old mantra.

It's if it was taught to you by robots.

Keep up the good work.

Your puppet masters will be pleased with you.

;):D

I believe Margaret has a framed picture of Divid Ike over her bed G:D:D

jaysay 19-02-2011 14:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 885050)
Well, I for one always seriously consider what mags has to say then, thank Britcliffe for the free but large bag of salt it can be taken with, at a pinch.
:D

Ya mean ya don't believe the teachings of Margaret, Less;););):D

Less 19-02-2011 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 885074)
I believe Margaret has a framed picture of Divid Ike over her bed G:D:D

It wouldn't surprise me if she'd had him stuffed and mounted.

Stumped 19-02-2011 18:55

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You have a point, Mancie, hence the lower end of the income bracket being penalised just for being poor. What this so called government need to do is stop handing out our income taxes to foreigners of every ilk who seem to look upon the UK as some sort of milch cow. I still firmly believe that we should kick Europe into touch, but our cowardly subservience to the status-quo makes it a virtual impossibility.
I haven't voted in any election for the last decade, but give us a referendum on membership of the European Union and I will be first past the post.

JCB 19-02-2011 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 884863)
should this be supported by cameron.. the man and his party who are hell bent on repressing any social meaning in this country?

I didn't know we had any social meaning in this country any more ,if by social meaning you mean solidarity . It's dead and buried by a culture of individualism .

Ken Moss 20-02-2011 12:37

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The measure of weight given to any protest in England now usually involves the number of hits that a Facebook campaign gets.

We can't even organise a peaceful sit-in at Peel Street toilets due to a locked door.

Tealeaf 20-02-2011 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 885298)
...We can't even organise a peaceful sit-in at Peel Street toilets due to a locked door...

Maybe Britcliffes locked himself in, to get away from all the bad publicity over his expenses.

accyman 20-02-2011 13:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 885298)
The measure of weight given to any protest in England now usually involves the number of hits that a Facebook campaign gets.

sadly this is true.The french may not be the most ideal role models on many things but they sure could teach us a few things about protesting.If a politition so much as farts in the wrong direction up go the blockades :)

Stumped 20-02-2011 18:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 885299)
Maybe Britcliffes locked himself in, to get away from all the bad publicity over his expenses.

Grab the superglue - QUICK!

Mancie 20-02-2011 20:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 885304)
sadly this is true.The french may not be the most ideal role models on many things but they sure could teach us a few things about protesting.If a politition so much as farts in the wrong direction up go the blockades :)

That is the point I'm making.. can you imagine Cameron going on record telling the French government they must listen to the people everytime they demonstrate on the streets?..yet he has the arrogance to tell the government of Eygpt and others they should back down because thousands of "the people" protest.

cashman 20-02-2011 20:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 885464)
That is the point I'm making.. can you imagine Cameron going on record telling the French government they must listen to the people everytime they demonstrate on the streets?..yet he has the arrogance to tell the government of Eygpt and others they should back down because thousands of "the people" protest.

oh i agree its arrogant of cameron, though yer omit to mention Labour are saying just the same, will yeh never learn mancie? all of em are *******.

garinda 20-02-2011 20:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 885464)
That is the point I'm making.. can you imagine Cameron going on record telling the French government they must listen to the people everytime they demonstrate on the streets?..yet he has the arrogance to tell the government of Eygpt and others they should back down because thousands of "the people" protest.

All successive British governments have only backed revolutions, as long as they think there'll be something in it for them.

They were still supporting Mubarak until it was clear he'd lost. Then it was jolly well done you protesters.

Brtitish governments have supported Egypt for years, despite it being a police state, with one of the worst human rights records on the planet.

accyman 20-02-2011 20:38

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whoever gets into power in egypt after the elections you can gurentee america and cameron will be kissing their backsides and offering things at our expense to help them settle in.Could this be because sandy areas tend to have oil in them over that way ?

Mancie 20-02-2011 20:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 885475)
oh i agree its arrogant of cameron, though yer omit to mention Labour are saying just the same, will yeh never learn mancie? all of em are *******.

OK .. they are all the same.. but Cameron is our prime minister and the man on the world stage.. even I don't take much notice of what labour say... so I doubt north africa and the middle east are interested. ;)

garinda 20-02-2011 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 885482)
All successive British governments have only backed revolutions, as long as they think there'll be something in it for them.

They were still supporting Mubarak until it was clear he'd lost. Then it was jolly well done you protesters.

Brtitish governments have supported Egypt for years, despite it being a police state, with one of the worst human rights records on the planet.


Mr.Blair took his family on their summer holidays to Egypt, twice, as the guest of that nice President Mubarak, whilst he was Prime Minister.

Don't start playing party politics.

As Cashy said, they're all cut from the same cloth.

In this case, it was stuffed in Cherie's bulging suitcase, filled with bargain Egyptian 2-fold cotton poplin bed sheets.

garinda 20-02-2011 20:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 885484)
OK .. they are all the same.. but Cameron is our prime minister and the man on the world stage.. even I don't take much notice of what labour say... so I doubt north africa and the middle east are interested. ;)

Don't disillusion me.

I thought the Arab world was waiting with bated breath, for the next proclaimation about the situation, from that bald Yorkshire man. The one, who in true tight arse Yorkshire style, shares a double room with his young special advisor lad.

:rolleyes::D

garinda 20-02-2011 20:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 885492)
Don't disillusion me.

I thought the Arab world was waiting with bated breath, for the next proclaimation about the situation, from that bald Yorkshire man. The one, who in true tight arse Yorkshire style, shares a double room with his young special advisor lad.

:rolleyes::D


Hague.

Foreign Secretary, or something.

That's the chappy.

Please don't tell me the world's not listening to him.

:eek:

Mancie 20-02-2011 20:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 885494)
Hague.

Foreign Secretary, or something.

That's the chappy.

Please don't tell me the world's not listening to him.

:eek:

You had it right the first time.. the bald geezer from yorkshire..drinks bitter and is a big player on the world stage.. I imagine Mugabe and such are quaking in thier boots :rolleyes:

cashman 20-02-2011 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 885484)
OK .. they are all the same.. but Cameron is our prime minister and the man on the world stage.. even I don't take much notice of what labour say... so I doubt north africa and the middle east are interested. ;)

oh hes P.M. alright, the mans a crafty reptile Mancie, making all the right noises such as E.U.Human Rights, clamping down on benefits etc etc, every issue he brings up was labours fault, much of it empty rhetoric, but the "Gullible" in society are lapping it up, the man is dangerous n has every chance of conning the public big time this term!!!:eek:

garinda 20-02-2011 21:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 885495)
I imagine Mugabe and such are quaking in thier boots :rolleyes:


No, they won't be.

Though the people who have answered the advertisment to be his new special advisor, probably are.

:smileysx:

Mancie 20-02-2011 21:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 885497)
oh hes P.M. alright, the mans a crafty reptile Mancie, making all the right noises such as E.U.Human Rights, clamping down on benefits etc etc, every issue he brings up was labours fault, much of it empty rhetoric, but the "Gullible" in society are lapping it up, the man is dangerous n has every chance of conning the public big time this term!!!:eek:

Well no surprise that he ain't conned you..I've got a funny feeling even the "Gullible" will crack on to him and Clegg in the not to distant future.. but then the hardcore "head in the sand" bods will support this disaster of a government to the bitter end.:eek:

claytonender 20-02-2011 22:02

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I don't know if any of you are aware of UKuncut, which is a grassroots movement by ordinary people to get large companies, who pay little or no tax in this country to pay up.
UK Uncut

They describe themselves as direct action against the cuts. I first heard of them at the beginning of November, when they had started targetting vodaphone. They are now having nationwide protests every weekend.

jaysay 21-02-2011 09:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 885521)
I don't know if any of you are aware of UK uncut, which is a grassroots movement by ordinary people to get large companies, who pay little or no tax in this country to pay up.
UK Uncut

They describe themselves as direct action against the cuts. I first heard of them at the beginning of November, when they had started targeting vodafone. They are now having nationwide protests every weekend.

Maybe you posting this now would have meant a little more if you'd have done it 5 years ago, as I remember very little was don't by Blair, Brown and co in this direction when they had the chance, no, instead they chose to wreck the pension scheme for millions of people to carry on the tax and spend ethos and when that ran dry the started to borrow like there was no tomorrow:mad:

garinda 21-02-2011 09:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 885597)
Maybe you posting this now would have meant a little more if you'd have done it 5 years ago, as I remember very little was don't by Blair, Brown and co in this direction when they had the chance, no, instead they chose to wreck the pension scheme for millions of people to carry on the tax and spend ethos and when that ran dry the started to borrow like there was no tomorrow:mad:

I don't know why you don't save yourself some time, and effort, and just post this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 885597)
Usual reply

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

jaysay 21-02-2011 10:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 885599)
I don't know why you don't save yourself some time, and effort, and just post this...



:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Well I have one hell of a teacher when it comes to repeating myself:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

garinda 21-02-2011 11:31

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 885612)
Well I have one hell of a teacher when it comes to repeating myself:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

Thank you.

I always assumed no one bothered reading mine.

Very gratifying to know different.

;):D

garinda 21-02-2011 14:49

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I have been on protest marches, for specific issues, but things would have to change radically before I took to the streets, to demand a different style of government, from the type we have now.

It's far from perfect, but I feel lucky to live in this country, and don't want to see what we have now overthrown.

Boeing Guy 21-02-2011 17:37

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just got back from a 'hot' of the world. We managed to get some Western Doctors and their families out...the joy of Biz jets
Felt sorry for those that are there, maybe the dictator has now left.

garinda 21-02-2011 17:39

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 885720)
just got back from a 'hot' of the world. We managed to get some Western Doctors and their families out...the joy of Biz jets
Felt sorry for those that are there, maybe the dictator has now left.

It being your neck of the woods, think about you everytime it's on the news.

Take care.

yerself 21-02-2011 17:46

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Originally Posted by jaysay
Maybe you posting this now would have meant a little more if you'd have done it 5 years ago, as I remember very little was don't by Blair, Brown and co in this direction when they had the chance, no, instead they chose to wreck the pension scheme for millions of people to carry on the tax and spend ethos and when that ran dry the started to borrow like there was no tomorrow

If the grocer's daughter hadn't privatised, gas, electricity, water, railways, steel etc. they might have had something left to flog off.:rolleyes:

Boeing Guy 21-02-2011 17:50

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Thanks Rindi,
Back home now, I left the Morocco company last year and got this biz jet job through a old friend.
But we do spend a lot of time in those nice places.
BG

jaysay 21-02-2011 17:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 885726)
If the grocer's daughter hadn't privatised, gas, electricity, water, railways, steel etc. they might have had something left to flog off.:rolleyes:

They were flogged off so Labour could inherit the best economic outlook every by any incoming government in history and they totally blew it big time

garinda 21-02-2011 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 885734)
They were flogged off so Labour could inherit the best economic outlook every by any incoming government in history and they totally blew it big time

I did try and explain how you could save time, and energy.

Simply post this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 885734)
Usual reply.

and we'll know exactly what you mean.

:D

jaysay 21-02-2011 18:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 885741)
I did try and explain how you could save time, and energy.

Simply post this...



and we'll know exactly what you mean.

:D

Sooner just jog their memories in a more informed way G;)

garinda 21-02-2011 18:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 885749)
Sooner just jog their memories in a more informed way G;)

What's he said now?

I just see this again...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 885749)
Usual reply

:tongueout

Wynonie Harris 21-02-2011 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 884863)
Just a thought.. the present protests in north africa and mid east against thier governments who are ruling under a minority to pay for thier way of life

Now then, Mancie, lad, you're not trying to tell us that the UK is anything like the repressive dictatorships we've seen on the news recently, are you? For all its faults, the UK is paragon of free speech and democracy compared to that lot. As for "paying for their way of life", have you ever been to a third world country? The most poverty-striken family on the worst sink estate in Britain, suffering as they might be under Cameron's cuts, is living a life of luxury compared to the proletariat in many of these North African countries.

So put that Che beret and combat jacket back in the cupboard, chuck that Guerilla Warfare Handbook back on the shelf and get yourself off down the Bermondsey Arms. The revolution won't be starting today.

"..but what can a poor boy do in sleepy London town,
'cos London just ain't no place for a streetfightin' man." ;)

garinda 21-02-2011 21:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 885808)
Now then, Mancie, lad, you're not trying to tell us that the UK is anything like the repressive dictatorships we've seen on the news recently, are you? For all its faults, the UK is paragon of free speech and democracy compared to that lot. As for "paying for their way of life", have you ever been to a third world country? The most poverty-striken family on the worst sink estate in Britain, suffering as they might be under Cameron's cuts, is living a life of luxury compared to the proletariat in many of these North African countries.

So put that Che beret and combat jacket back in the cupboard, chuck that Guerilla Warfare Handbook back on the shelf and get yourself off down the Bermondsey Arms. The revolution won't be starting today.

"..but what can a poor boy do in sleepy London town,
'cos London just ain't no place for a streetfightin' man." ;)

Brilliant post.

I.O.U. karma, but apparently it's been a give, give, give kind of a day, karma wise.

Margaret Pilkington 21-02-2011 21:41

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Great minds think alike...twice tonight!
Spot on Steve.

Wynonie Harris 21-02-2011 21:53

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Muchas gracias, Gary & Margaret.

No sign of Mancie...do you think he's gone off to join the Libyan Liberation Army (Bermondsey Division)? :eek:

cashman 21-02-2011 21:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 885827)
Muchas gracias, Gary & Margaret.

No sign of Mancie...do you think he's gone off to join the Libyan Liberation Army (Bermondsey Division)? :eek:

He can join em in Manchester, if he pops up to the theater of merchandising.:D

garinda 21-02-2011 22:17

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;)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 885827)
Muchas gracias, Gary & Margaret.

No sign of Mancie...do you think he's gone off to join the Libyan Liberation Army (Bermondsey Division)? :eek:

I've told him before to move further south.

There's no one leading the Tooting Popular Front, since I moved away.

:D

Eric 22-02-2011 04:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 885482)
All successive British governments have only backed revolutions, as long as they think there'll be something in it for them.

They were still supporting Mubarak until it was clear he'd lost. Then it was jolly well done you protesters.

Brtitish governments have supported Egypt for years, despite it being a police state, with one of the worst human rights records on the planet.

Maybe British governments supported Mubarak because that was the stance taken by their buddies in Washington:eek: ... you know, those wonderful folks who gave us the Contras. Quite a lot of US made military hardware is on display in the videos.:rolleyes: Forget about Obama's rhetoric, the US was quite content to have dictators in control. It gave a measure of stability to a volatile region; and the most important thing one wants in a country which is a major source of oil is stability. The reason that the US buys most of its oil from Canada is not the quality, nor the environmental friendliness of its extraction, but the fact that,politically, we are rock-solid stable. And do not British governments have a long history of supporting any government which is friendly to its interests? In this world, oil talks, BS walks. The BS in this case are the pronouncements of western leaders about the attempts of the entrenched to resist popular protests. What they are really thinking is: "How will all this affect the supply of oil"?

But in response to the thread question: I think that the British people should protest in the way that we and the Americans do, and this corresponds to the intent of the First Ammendment to the US Constitution. [Parliament] shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances.

Barrie Yates 22-02-2011 08:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 885808)
The most poverty-striken family on the worst sink estate in Britain, suffering as they might be under Cameron's cuts, is living a life of luxury compared to the proletariat in many of these North African countries.

Brilliant post Wyn - but you could have included the Indian sub-continent as well. Did a job in Pakistan (Lahore & Mirpur), a couple of years back. Then I realised why there are so many Pakistanis in UK.

garinda 22-02-2011 08:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 885903)
Brilliant post Wyn - but you could have included the Indian sub-continent as well. Did a job in Pakistan (Lahore & Mirpur), a couple of years back. Then I realised why there are so many Pakistanis in UK.

I agree, as I'm sure anyone else would, who'd visited any third world countries.

Poverty is relative. I refute the figure that 13% of children in this country live in poverty, whilst there's access to clean water, education, and a social benefits system which should mean that no one dies of starvation in the U.K.

'A spokesman for the charity said: "Measuring Severe Child Poverty in the UK reveals that 13% of the UK's children are now living in severe poverty and shows that efforts to reduce child poverty have not only stalled but have slid into reverse."
Child poverty fight 'slid into reverse' - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

Sadly we do hear about cases of children living in appalling conditions. However that is child abuse, caused by feckless adults, and not as a result of real poverty.

jaysay 22-02-2011 08:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 885808)
Now then, Mancie, lad, you're not trying to tell us that the UK is anything like the repressive dictatorships we've seen on the news recently, are you? For all its faults, the UK is paragon of free speech and democracy compared to that lot. As for "paying for their way of life", have you ever been to a third world country? The most poverty-striken family on the worst sink estate in Britain, suffering as they might be under Cameron's cuts, is living a life of luxury compared to the proletariat in many of these North African countries.

So put that Che beret and combat jacket back in the cupboard, chuck that Guerilla Warfare Handbook back on the shelf and get yourself off down the Bermondsey Arms. The revolution won't be starting today.

"..but what can a poor boy do in sleepy London town,
'cos London just ain't no place for a streetfightin' man." ;)

Very true and too the point Wyn

DaveinGermany 22-02-2011 09:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 885827)
No sign of Mancie...do you think he's gone off to join the Libyan Liberation Army (Bermondsey Division)? :eek:

Der Mancie Freikorps (Bermondsey Division) recruiting in a Boozer near you ! Fighting oppression (& Tories) from the embattled lines of his local Alehouse, Tandoori takeaway & armchair ! Long live the revolution !:eek: ;)

Barrie Yates 22-02-2011 11:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 885924)
Der Mancie Freikorps (Bermondsey Division) recruiting in a Boozer near you ! Fighting oppression (& Tories) from the embattled lines of his local Alehouse, Tandoori takeaway & armchair ! Long live the revolution !:eek: ;)

Have you dusted off your old combat jacket and black beret then Dave? :D

DaveinGermany 22-02-2011 12:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 885968)
Have you dusted off your old combat jacket and black beret then Dave? :D

Nah ! The only revolution you're likely to find me in, is if it's a Pub called the "Revolution". :D

Barrie Yates 22-02-2011 17:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 885986)
Nah ! The only revolution you're likely to find me in, is if it's a Pub called the "Revolution". :D

Isn't there a "Revolution" on the Pleasure beach at Blackpool?;);):D

jaysay 22-02-2011 18:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 886121)
Isn't there a "Revolution" on the Pleasure beach at Blackpool?;);):D

I woudn't even go on that Barrie:rolleyes:

Stumped 22-02-2011 18:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 885495)
You had it right the first time.. the bald geezer from yorkshire..drinks bitter and is a big player on the world stage.. I imagine Mugabe and such are quaking in thier boots :rolleyes:

Since labour's obnoxious, bumbling man of straw shook hands with Mugabe, then claimed he had not realised who it was without his goggles, Hague can still hold his head up high - despite his own peccadiloes!

garinda 22-02-2011 18:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 886149)
Since labour's obnoxious, bumbling man of straw shook hands with Mugabe, then claimed he had not realised who it was without his goggles, Hague can still hold his head up high - despite his own peccadiloes!

Yes, at least Hague hasn't shared a double bed with Mugabe.

Though Maggie did famously whisk him round the dance floor, when Mugabe was guest of honour at dinner she held in his honour in 1979.

Which to some would show an equal level of taste, with Li'l Willy Hague's insistence on sharing a bed with his little special advisor chum.

;)

Tealeaf 22-02-2011 18:54

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Mad Dog Gaddafi likes to display his medals, scrambled egg and silverware on his chest, just like all the other crackpot dictators such as Amin, Mugabe, Mubarak. I bet though, that none of 'em have got a HBC leaders medal.

garinda 22-02-2011 20:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 886176)
My Dog Gaddafi

My dog Garibaldi hates bustling protests, but does like mass debates.

:gooddog:

Mancie 22-02-2011 22:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 885808)
Now then, Mancie, lad, you're not trying to tell us that the UK is anything like the repressive dictatorships we've seen on the news recently, are you? For all its faults, the UK is paragon of free speech and democracy compared to that lot. As for "paying for their way of life", have you ever been to a third world country? The most poverty-striken family on the worst sink estate in Britain, suffering as they might be under Cameron's cuts, is living a life of luxury compared to the proletariat in many of these North African countries.

So put that Che beret and combat jacket back in the cupboard, chuck that Guerilla Warfare Handbook back on the shelf and get yourself off down the Bermondsey Arms. The revolution won't be starting today.

"..but what can a poor boy do in sleepy London town,
'cos London just ain't no place for a streetfightin' man." ;)

OK..in no way am I comparing life the UK to Libya, North Africa or anywhere else in the world..I was talking
about Cameron sticking his oar in telling the Eygptian government they must listen to the people..Libya looks
like a different kettle o fish.... but I don't live in Africa!
When there is massive protest here not even 8 months into Camerons ill gained premiership he fobs it off .. maybe
I should have asked the question "when would you support massive protest"? should people wait for 40yrs as in
Libya ?..Cameron and his sidekicks would be better off listening to his own country men and women before he
sticks his head into other countries affairs... and before anyone starts harkin on about Blair the same would be
said for him.

PS.. I know of no such pub as the "Bermondsey Arms" and combat jackets maybe all the fashion in Accy but not in my neck of the woods :rolleyes:

garinda 22-02-2011 23:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 886292)
OK..in no way am I comparing life the UK to Libya, North Africa or anywhere else in the world..I was talking
about Cameron sticking his oar in telling the Eygptian government they must listen to the people..Libya looks
like a different kettle o fish.... but I don't live in Africa!
When there is massive protest here not even 8 months into Camerons ill gained premiership he fobs it off .. maybe
I should have asked the question "when would you support massive protest"? should people wait for 40yrs as in
Libya ?..Cameron and his sidekicks would be better off listening to his own country men and women before he
sticks his head into other countries affairs... and before anyone starts harkin on about Blair the same would be
said for him.

PS.. I know of no such pub as the "Bermondsey Arms" and combat jackets maybe all the fashion in Accy but not in my neck of the woods :rolleyes:

Told you.

They've forecast showers later.

There'll be none of your protests here.

Mancie 23-02-2011 01:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 886304)
Told you.

They've forecast showers later.

There'll be none of your protests here.

I know ..It's a local Forum for local people..German Dave the scouse tory knows the in and outs of what is happening here.. and then we have the long gone Andrew as an advisor (I hope he ain't bed hopping).. I don't reckon Accy is a seething bed of protest ..unless the taxi men get the hump about Hollands pies not being fit to eat when facing Mecca..but it will be no surprise to me when we see the return of riots here in our own backyards ... a very sad return to Maggie's 80's. :eek:

steeljack 23-02-2011 03:43

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 886315)
and then we have the long gone Andrew as an advisor (I hope he ain't bed hopping).. . :eek:

wonder if Tory intern fees can be claimed back from your local 'home' Council , much like university grants used to be :eek:

Boeing Guy 23-02-2011 07:32

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Mancie
Quote:

Cameron sticking his oar in telling the Eygptian government they must listen to the people
The people in Egypt were at the time oppressed and did not have the benefit of democratic elections. Something we have.
To stick up for Dave and Nick at least we are to have a referendum this year about the voting system, as they promised.
I am still waiting for the Euro referendum promised by Tony and then Gordon........

Lets face it, they are all the dammed same

garinda 23-02-2011 07:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 885906)
I agree, as I'm sure anyone else would, who'd visited any third world countries.

Poverty is relative. I refute the figure that 13% of children in this country live in poverty, whilst there's access to clean water, education, and a social benefits system which should mean that no one dies of starvation in the U.K.

'A spokesman for the charity said: "Measuring Severe Child Poverty in the UK reveals that 13% of the UK's children are now living in severe poverty and shows that efforts to reduce child poverty have not only stalled but have slid into reverse."
Child poverty fight 'slid into reverse' - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

Sadly we do hear about cases of children living in appalling conditions. However that is child abuse, caused by feckless adults, and not as a result of real poverty.


Just watching BBC Breakfast news.

A report about 1.5 million UK children living in 'severe poverty', according to the charity Save the Children.

They interviewed a woman in Manchester who receives £200.00 per week, for her and her four children.

Big flat screen telly, washing machine. Sat there in tattoos, a neck full of gold necklaces, gold rings on every finger.

Compared to those living without clean water, and the threat of starvation, nevermind that an education is but a dream, this is not poverty, it's fecklessness.

Wynonie Harris 23-02-2011 08:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 886292)
When there is massive protest here not even 8 months into Camerons ill gained premiership he fobs it off .. maybe
I should have asked the question "when would you support massive protest"? should people wait for 40yrs as in
Libya ?

Protest? A bunch of students, along with the usual fellow travellers - Socialist "Workers" (I use the term loosely), anarchists and yobs. Hardly a sign of the general population rising up in a collective rage. But then again, they're not likely to, because life here, even with our politicians' many shortcomings and Cameron's cuts, is a world away from the experience of ordinary citizens in a third world country. Why do you think so many of 'em want to come here?

And, yes, I'm well aware that there's no Bermondsey Arms. It was a tongue-in-cheek, throwaway comment and if I'd said the Old Justice or the Boatman, most Accywebbers (apart from Tealeaf) wouldn't have known what I was on about. You're not becoming one of those humourless Trotskyist types who keep trying to sell me newpapers in downtown Manchester on a Saturday afternoon, are you, Mancie? ;)

jaysay 23-02-2011 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 886335)
Just watching BBC Breakfast news.

A report about 1.5 million UK children living in 'severe poverty', according to the charity Save the Children.

They interviewed a woman in Manchester who receives £200.00 per week, for her and her four children.

Big flat screen telly, washing machine. Sat there in tattoos, a neck full of gold necklaces, gold rings on every finger.

Compared to those living without clean water, and the threat of starvation, nevermind that an education is but a dream, this is not poverty, it's fecklessness.

Ya I saw the same thing G, its not so much poverty but getting your priorities right, gold necklaces and rings or food on the table, I know which came first when I was growing up

Stumped 23-02-2011 18:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 886335)
Just watching BBC Breakfast news.

A report about 1.5 million UK children living in 'severe poverty', according to the charity Save the Children.

They interviewed a woman in Manchester who receives £200.00 per week, for her and her four children.

Big flat screen telly, washing machine. Sat there in tattoos, a neck full of gold necklaces, gold rings on every finger.

Compared to those living without clean water, and the threat of starvation, nevermind that an education is but a dream, this is not poverty, it's fecklessness.

I heartily agree. Cruise any rental area where the bulk of the occupants are unemployed and you can't help but notice the glut of four-by-fours and Sky dishes! According to the Daily Express the government are set to turn their spite on the elderly by abolishing bus passes and the winter fuel allowance. Perhaps the wrinklies (myself included) will lead the nation in taking to the streets!

garinda 23-02-2011 18:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 886546)
Cruise any rental area where the bulk of the occupants are unemployed

This is where we disagree.

I forget you have the advantage over me.

Being able to read the 'Unemployed' tattoo on people's forheads.

Mancie 23-02-2011 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 886345)

And, yes, I'm well aware that there's no Bermondsey Arms. It was a tongue-in-cheek, throwaway comment and if I'd said the Old Justice or the Boatman, most Accywebbers (apart from Tealeaf) wouldn't have known what I was on about. You're not becoming one of those humourless Trotskyist types who keep trying to sell me newpapers in downtown Manchester on a Saturday afternoon, are you, Mancie? ;)

Not at all mate...downtown Manchester?..umm is that near Old Trafford? ;)

garinda 23-02-2011 19:20

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I've always imagined Mancie hard at it, up a White Bull, or even relaxiing in a Queen's Arms, hardly protesting at all. Merry in ale.

Never in slumped in a Boatman.

Funny really.

The thoughts that flash through your head.

:D

Less 23-02-2011 19:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 886546)
I heartily agree. Cruise any rental area where the bulk of the occupants are unemployed and you can't help but notice the glut of four-by-fours and Sky dishes! According to the Daily Express the government are set to turn their spite on the elderly by abolishing bus passes and the winter fuel allowance. Perhaps the wrinklies (myself included) will lead the nation in taking to the streets!

I am employed, I was walking into a Post office to post an item for work.

Some Simple Simon with the same Mindset as yourself, shouted from the window of a rusty Transit van, "Go on you Basketweaver, cash your giro, you lot are a pile of excreta".

I replied that he should really get a life, (similar to yourself), I rent a property, I am in advance with my rent, I have a sky dish outside but I use Virgin, (much faster), you really are pathetic, is it jealousy?

I see no reason you should be jealous of me, but I can see that someone with half a brain, that works hard, could turn you into the spiteful person you are.
:mad:

Less 23-02-2011 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 886546)
Cruise any rental area

By the way, why would you want to cruise a rental area?

Decent folk leave us alone.

garinda 23-02-2011 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 886576)
By the way, why would you want to cruise a rental area?

They're having a crackdown on people cruising around the streets, checking other people out.

The police are collecting registration numbers of those that do it, and send warning letters to their homes.

'Honest love.'

'I was only driving so slow, peering out the window, trying to work out if they were on the game...not game!

'Dole!'

'Scroungers on the dole.'


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