Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Well there's a turn up for the books, the very question I was barred from asking at the Overview and Scrutiny Committee meeting last week with the Leader of the Council and his entourage of yes men:

Hyndburn residents 'set for five per cent council tax rise' in future (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Say what you will about a Labour council, at least we've been upfront in the past about local tax rises.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Love this comment,


"Leader of the Council Peter Britcliffe said: “It is a forecast where we are preparing for the worst. We will be working in the meantime to make the savings needed and looking at the figures.”


How about this PB.................

STOP BUYING BUTTIES.
TAKE A CUT IN YOUR WAGE (to be honest you dont deserve a big un)
PORN YOUR MEDAL IN.
STOP SPENDING STUPID MONEY ON CHRISTMAS LIGHTS SWITCH ON.
STOP PAYING SILLY AMOUNTS TO SOME CHEF.

Mmmmmmm cant think of anymore at the min, tooooo early!:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

What did he get that for?

:eek:

'Excellent performer' in a skin flick?

:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

What about the £750,00- underspend from last year? I also understood that the Central Government had decreed that there was to be no increases in Council Tax!!!!!!!!!

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

We need to get out of the mindset of 'we've been given it so we must spend it'. Administrations across the board are guilty of this and the standard reposte will probably involve the number 13 and words 'Labour rule' but it doesn't excuse the behaviour of this council.

Apparently, I'm too new to understand what ringfencing means but what I do understand is that blowing collossal amounts of money on stupid things just because the money is there is mindless waste.

You weren't skriking about Labour's reckless spending when the grants were rolling in.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

And while you are at it, you can save the money from the daft(immoral, irresponsible) celebrations for the Royal wedding......we can't afford it!

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

He's doing us all a big personal favour, it just happens to fall in line with Mr Cameron's threat to withhold a 2.5% council tax grant from any authority which raises council taxes.

The £750,000 underspend is something of a grey area with a lot of suspiciously round figures contibuting to it. It has now increased to £850,000 so I'm told but whether the VAT rebate has been accounted for yet again remains to be seen.

The bottom line is that HBC is £12.2m in debt and it has absolutely nothing to do with any Labour government but if they'd been a bit more prudent over the years we could have got that down a little. The interest payments each month would happily pay for a few flash mobs, or maybe even allow a certain toilet to remain open.

Saving pennies adds up to pounds, but who cares when it isn't their money?

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

That's a truth that it seems many people can't understand.

Even millions of pounds are just made up of lots and lots of pennies.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Does no-one else know about the film that he made alot of money from??? ALEDGEDLY!!! :D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I haven't heard one comment from the Labour mod on here about the millions that have been wasted since the Direct Works Department was scraped in 2002, one of the best run, if not the best run departments in Lancashire, a department that actually made money to plough back into the council coffers, now every penny profit made on on maintenance contracts, which before was retained by the council, now goes into the bank accounts of private contractors, now that is political vandalism at its worst

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I do wish we all could stop laying blame on things past.

We should be worried about the here and now, and concerned with the future.

It's all George Slynn/Thatcher/Blair/Ted Heath/Lloyd George's fault isn't constuctive in the slightest, and is boring.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Are you suggesting one of our moderators is not only biased towards the left but also responsible for 'scraping' the Direct Works Department?

Such powers! the rest of our mods must be green with envy!
:eek:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I agree with you G, should stop papping on about the past and look at what money people (or a certain person) is wasting.

The one big question is how does he get away with it?
I know that we will prob not get the answer though:rolleyes:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Trouble is, this is a minsdet that is everywhere, throughout all sorts of organisations across the country (and probably globally), on the basis that if an organisation, or a department, is seen not to have spent all their budget for a financial year this means they don't need as much for the next year and will get a budget decrease. Hence, the mad rush every Feb/March to ensure every penny of budget is spent, even if on pointless stuff. Then they can say they spent all their budget, and must need some more. Also, if there's surplus at the end of the year, this is often taken back. There's no incentive to come in under budget.

Anyone that does blame it on 13 years of Labour Rule doesn't understand budgets, as it's a practice that's been going on for years. Long before 1997...

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I think it must be a typo, and should read mob.

Unless he knows something we don't.

Perhaps he's heard Labour supporting Accy Web moderators are planning to put their parkas on, hop on their scooters, and head down to Broadway, to take part in some community art.

A Sixties Flash Mob Mod Drive By.

:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Garinda has rather beaten me to it but my watchword has always been how can we rectify what is wrong here and now rather than laying blame on a previous administration. The problems in this borough lie fairly and squarely with the current administration and we in opposition are all trying our damnedest to try and prevent further waste. Mistakes are always going to be made but some recent ones are so glaring that it simply baffles me how any sane council could think that they are a good idea when the majority of residents are skint.

The best thing I can think of to prevent future waste is to expose examples of it now and shame the entire council into avoiding similar situations. To me, the current controlling group simply seem to love throwing public parties to demonstrate what a good bunch they are.

Trying not to lay people off or reduce public services comes a very distant second, it would seem.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

You actually think anything will change, it certainly hasn't done before and it certainly won't in the future, you'll probably find surface savings which everybody can see then there will be a major cock up through lack of thinking which will cost millions

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Absolutely spot on, which is why all spending should be publicly accounted for, department by department.

In an age of austerity we need to have better transparency with public money so that savings can be identified by everyone, not simply those who ask the right questions.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Sorry.

:o

I am predicted a medal position, in the posting sprint, at the 2012 Special Olympics.

:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

As I said, mistakes have been made in the past and from what I can see they have been secretly agreed by Cabinet and pushed through at council.

'Lack of thinking' is your own key phrase there and I agree.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Would you like a Job advising a Councillor about what is best for the area?

With such imagination as seen above, I'm sure you would be a breath of fresh air, unlike the usual halitosis type diatribe similar to, '13 years of destroying a profitable department'.
:s_aim1:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Yellow ribbon has already been allocated, blue is for ex-Mayors, other than that take your pick.

We're predicting a surplus of scrap metal in May so I'm afraid that whether you come first, second or third your medal will be made of brass.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

You can't live always harking back to the past.

Things can, and do change.

Donkey jacket wearing Michael Foot to People's Princess Tony Blair, in just over eleven years?

The lady's not for turning, to Cameron, sharing, caring, and telling us to hug a hoodie?

I'd suggest things change quite a lot.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

So, if nothing changed before and nothing changed after, how come it's all Labours fault even though your missing best buddy is in charge?

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

That is the kind of mindset which means that things don't get changed.
As soon as you say it is impossible....it becomes so.

There has to be a constant effort to expose where the waste is, and eradicate it....not trying to change things is not an option.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Thankyou everyone, that is what I was trying to get accross but ob worded it wrong!!! :D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Well that would be a good theory if the toilets had been closed on cost grounds, but they haven't

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Surely with a little searching a cheaper but tolerable alternative to brass could be found?

We need to save brass, not squander it on a turbo powered keyboard frippery such as is rindy?
:)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I have offered.

I'm even prepared to reduce my annual fee from £43,000.00 to £42,000.00.

A man has to live, after all.

:rolleyes::D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

If you did the same job as well for the County Council G, you could probably get another 12 grand on top of that.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I have long been an advocate of politically free local government, but it would never work, but the idea of everybody pulling together instead of the us and them, and the opposing of anything the other lot do would be very refreshing. There are first class people working as councillors from all parties, no matter what anybody says about Britcliffe he never has any problems at being re-elected, nobody has ever come near removing him, ask Garinda. You soon find out which councillors are not doing the job they were elected to do, the public vote them out. Its just a shame that local politicians sometimes lose there seats on national issues, if there was no party politics this wouldn't happen

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

When I take gold at the Special Olympic's posting dash, I shall refuse any medal, and Black Panther style, give my own special salute from the podium.

http://cdn.androidblip.com/icn/com_m...k____44324.png

:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Well there is a supposed underspend this year of £750,000 Less;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Brass has been in particularly short supply in recent years due to an ego explosion in 1999 which ripped through the borough.

You can still see engraved bits of shrapnel embedded in walls.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I did hear that Jaysay claims he could beat your speed with two fingers tied together, unfortunately he has had to withdraw since the judges brought in the accuracy and legibility rule.
:o

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Popularity in the borough aside, like many others, he is a good ward councillor.

Though I suspect some in St. Andrew's do vote for selfish reasons, and think having the Council Leader as their representative holds some kudos, and will result in extra privileges.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Does that mean if things change in May that you wont blame the previous administration and just get on with rectifying the problems?

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I understand that Peter is one of the few councillors whose personality helps swings the vote his way in St Andrews but as far as the residents of wider Hyndburn are concerned he is given a tremendous boost by being Leader of the Council and channelling money into projects in Oswaldtwistle.

He isn't revered for spending money in Rishton or many other wards, with the likely exception of Baxenden.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

He hasn't always been the council leader, he was a councillor 17 years prior to taking up the post;) How many councillors have 17 unbroken years service on the council, never mind 28:rolleyes:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

That's the inspiration behind my salute.

Typing with one finger, on my non-dominant hand.

I'll happily salute Jaysay any day.

I do appreciate the efforts it takes to be a trier.

http://cdn.androidblip.com/icn/com_m...k____44324.png

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

That would possibly end very quickly if someone that knows which cupboards containing the skeletons, was to speak out.:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

As much as people should be questioning what is going on at the top, people need to be, more concerned at what is going on locally.

Jaysay your things never change is puzzling...it has to or we are going to get deeper cuts,debts,job cuts and fall further into the none recession we are in now.

By constantly reverting back to the past to blame whoever,gives those in charge now the right to waste funds. I think not...

More fool those that take the bribes(allegedly), nothing is ever free I was always told.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I was referring to recent elections.

Taken, he wasn't always enthroned in his present exalted position.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

With the ranting I've done in the past 12 months I should hardly need to but there will be fallout from decisions that we will have to 'correct' that will take time and I imagine that I won't be able to hold back from venting spleen once or twice. You may pull me up on it when the time comes.

I wish that things could be solved at the click of a finger but a change of control in May will involve much more work and I look forward to it. The Labour group already know that I will be scrutinising every last thing once the books are opened and I will take great pleasure in making recommendations for economies to people who might actually listen.

For a man who glories in telling us of 28 years in politics, Cllr Britcliffe's stock response always seems to revolve around it being someone else's fault, usually a government who is no longer in power and so far removed from controlling Hyndburn as to be a separate entity.

If I ever resort to 'Usual reply' tactics then please inform me that I've run out of ideas and it's time to go.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

John you make the claim that a politically free local government wouldn't work, but you give no reasons as to why it wouldn't.

Local politics should be divorced from national politics, as they are entirely different animals.....and only serve to confuse some of the electorate....who think they are voting for the same things locally as they do nationally......and follow slavishly a political doctrine/dogma.

Why can't local councillors work together? They would gain far more respect from the voters if they could all pull in the same direction....and in the long run, the town and its environment would benefit.

It is time to stop slinging mud and insults and do what is right for the borough.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

When them books get opened, I hope your going to start reading bed time stories to us all;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Think that ideas a total boggy Less, people may not like him or his political style, but I think if there had have been any skeletons in the cupboard the Labour Party would have found out about them long ago, heaven knows they've tried everything else to try and get rid of him and failed miserably every time:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

He might not be able to, if PB pokes him in the eyes :)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Which is how our current Leader justifies every unpopular move, by playing on the confusion of the majority of the electorate and bringing national politics in to excuse poor local decisions. I'm sure Labour council leaders have used the same tactics in the past but it doesn't excuse it. I have already said frequently to my own group that we should shy away from national party politics and just get on with it when power eventually shifts.

Good public services are all the public really give a toss about.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

If at first you don't succeed...


Cue for the usual jokes.
;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

You can be guaranteed transparency from me, possibly too much sometimes, but if I can stay awake long enough myself I will let you know some Hyndburn folk stories.

I'm looking forward to seeing the unedited manuscripts about some innocent voters being tempted into a forest by a monster with a trail of empty promises who then finds he can't see the wood for the trees.

There's always a lesson to be learned from fairytales - never promise what you can't deliver.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Ken, that is spot on....the fact that he is an egomaniacal leader might also have something to do with why he blames everyone but himself..........whatever he thinks, he has to be accountable.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Are they facebook buddies? :p

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I somehow doubt it :D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I can say categorically that we are not.

He even brought it up in full council that he wouldn't be adding me as a friend.

How soundly I slept that night.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Sorry could not resist;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Why on earth bring something like that up at a full council meeting?????

He is sooooooooooo taking the pee...........:mad:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

The sign of a scared man:p(he is only scared of his shadow)...or just an attention seeker:rolleyes:(Did it get in the papers?). Don't forget he has people to go online for him;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Cllr Wells, someone who far exceeds my own abilities both as a politician and a public speaker, got told the same at a subsequent meeting. The 60-odd year old Leader of the Council more interested in Facebook than giving a straight answer to his 20-something opponent.

That's what we're up against.

Accrington Web is brought up every time now as well. His paid team of researchers should be online anytime to make sure that we aren't being libellous.

Well, I say 'we'.......

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

He is a total plonker that bloke - would like to use something stronger but owd Neil will shout at me!!! :D

It is honestly beyond words what he does................

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Allegedly!

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

or in some cases,if not in ossy, what he don't do.:D;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Aye your both right, just makes me so angry that we may have to pay extra in our tax just for him to pap on about Accy Web/Facebook in meetings.

He will know next time I spot him out and about coz he will have a mad woman running towards him trying to hit him with me handbag! ;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Heth, please give him a good hard slap for me..preferably in the cods!:)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Remind me not to get on your wrong side :D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Oh....I don't think you are in danger of that:)

There are very few folk to whom I would direct violence...he just happens to be the exception......just talking about him, makes my hackles rise.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I doubt he will be on the outside fish market, prob sat inside the market hall polishing his medal and plaque!!! ;) oh and counting his money!!!

When I do see him I will deff give him a kick for you though!!! :D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Okay, so let's sum up the suggestions put forward so far on Accy Web to meet the Council's savings target:-

a) Stop the lunchtime butties, saving , say, £5,000 a year,
b) Pay the illustrious Leader zilch, saving £43,000 a year,
c) Pawn the Leaders Medal, getting, say £50?, (is there VAT on that????)
d) Abolish Christmas in Hyndburn, saving £9,000,
e) Don't employ celebrity chefs, saving another £9,000,
f) BUT Reopen Peel Street Toilets, costing £10,000

A grand NET total of £56,050.

Job Done, and Everybody Happy.

Hold on, though. There is the little matter of a further £2,543,950 to be saved THIS YEAR alone, plus more next year.

Thinking Caps on again, it seems!

:confused::confused::confused:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Only one problem there, you got a comma and three zeros too many :rolleyes:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

With thanks to a gentleman who is well acquainted with just how 'simple' it is.

Although I take your point, the rub comes from a council which is crying blue murder at the cuts being brought about and yet spending untold thousands on public events and private luxuries.

I have another list of spending by The Leader of the Council which I haven't been given the go ahead to release yet and whilst it isn't much in itself in the wider scheme of things it smacks on every level of being out of touch with how people feel.

I have several questions to be submitted to full council regarding spending, keep watching.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

You of all people should know that there are hundreds of savings to be made from what you termed 'box ticking' politics brought in by past governments but also many which are there just for symbolism in order to win meaningless awards that serve no function within the borough.

I don't go for symbolic gestures either but it seems, contrary to the LT article, that Cllr Britcliffe does.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

There is also all the other things that he spends money on that none of us know about isnt there??

COME ON PB do the right thing for once and give us a "honest" list??!!!










Darn I keep asking questions out loud but I know I wont get any answers........must stop it

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

What was I saying?

Oh yes...

It's like waiting for buses.

Up pops one of the 'many people', when you least expect it.

The point, when in dire financial straits, is that every penny does count.

It's making a a start.

It's called not burying your head in the sand, and being defeatist.

It's the difference of what it means to be Btitish, versus the subservient, defeatist attitude of the French.

Nevermind our 'thinking caps'.

You should be wearing a little bonnet with a white feather pinned to it.

;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Have I changed nationality or have you got Jaysay's keyboard??? :eek:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

True, but it's also about showing some leadership qualities, that people would hopefully look up to, and appreciate it.

If there's no money for an apple and orange in this year's stocking, it doesn't go down too well with the neighbours, if you leave your kids home alone on Christmas Eve, and go for a knees-up down the local boozer.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Lol.

Very nearly in time for me to edit it to British, before the freakin' magic edit button vanished.

Must try harder next time.

(You, not me.)

More speed please. I'm afraid my haste is a constant cross I have to bear.

:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Excuse me, I didn't think I would have to use a copyright sign here on accyweb but, please bear in mind in future all jokes & references to Jaysays keyboard are:-

©Less


:cool:

(We just can't have a glut on the market, or it will become as blasé, as, ' after 13 years of'...).

:)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Do apologise Less, send the bill for using your joke to the council I am sure PB will pay for it :D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Yes there are certainly a lot of savings to be made in those areas, and to be fair, the savings identified in the budget report to Cabinet will go a long way towards sweeping away such meaningless work.

What concerns me in the list of savings is the assumption that additional income will be raised. It is one thing to reduce spending, but it is quite another to generate additional monies from outside the authority, especially when there will be fewer staff to carry out the work.

I refer particularly to the following:-

Additional Income from Pest Control £30,000. Yes you can increase prices, with inevitable consumer resistance, but where is this sort of extra money coming from? More rats and cockroaches, perhaps? And if its available, why has nobody been chasing it before?

Budget Re-Alignment Income - Environmental Health £40,500. What on earth is this? How does re-aligning your budgets increase the income from outside the authority?

Income from Better Waste Management £28,000. I thought the Council was already a top performer in waste management. What is it going to do that is even better?

Additional Fees from Regeneration £418,689. Aren't we in a recession? Who is going to pay the Council that sort of money for regenerating the borough in the next 12 months?

Additional Fees - Environmental Schemes £4,400. In a recession?

Accountancy Services - Increased Income £21,000. Who from? Where from?

Corporate Services Additional Income Generation £82,416. Who are they trying to kid? Corporate Services is the cradle of the bureaucratic pen pushers. No outside body would go anywhere near paying them to do anything.

If the answer given to any of the above is that it is increased charging between council departments, then that is a non answer. It is robbing Peter to pay Paul and generates zero extra income to the Council.

The list above totals well over £600,000. Councillors need to satisfy themselves that it is achievable, and achievable in the next 12 months.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I suppose we should just count ourselves lucky we haven't got a Peter, Paul, and Mary, sat on the council.

That would be criminally funny.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

God loves a trier Less:D:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Ya know Margaret that reminds me of another bloke, now let me see what was is name ????????? ah thats it Gordon was his name:rolleyes:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

No doubt Labour will they'll scrap the the recycling if they take control in May, that should do the trick gynn

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Yes, John....you are right.......I wonder if they are related!
Maybe Gordon's dad had a bike.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

No he had the good book Margaret:rolleyes:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

He might have had the good book...but it doesn't stop him having a bike as well......:)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

The last bloke who took to the road, if I remember rightly, did so on the back of an Ass:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Yeh true, but Gordon never cocked Hyndburn Council up.:D n made the tories a laughing stock.:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

I had a very naughty thought, but I can't post it.......so I'll just go and say 10 Hail Mary's instead :D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

William Hague?.. what's he got to do with all this..:)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

He shared a bedroom with the strikingly handsome young ass, purely to keep costs down.

Allegedly.

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Just hope "Accy Web" isn't opening itself to any liability by allowing posts that encourage/support acts of violence against elected politicians no matter how much you may disagree with the persons ideology/politics .
Seems to me if any local 'nutter' takes a swipe a case can be made "Accy Web" told me to do it . ;)

surprised Cllr Moss or others of his group haven't pointed this out , or maybe they support street anarchy and mob/thug rule :eek:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

In my quoted post and in Heths...if you notice we have put smilies....which means that the suggestion was 'tongue in cheek'.........I don't suppose you have ever said out loud 'I could kill that little brat'...well, I think the comments fall into that category.

And while I am at it, it has nothing to do with his politics or his ideologies....it is because I abhor the man.

Nothing remotely to do with anarchy, thuggery or mob rule. I'm 64 not 24!

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Well said Marg, I were trying to word it right but you did me proud!!! :D

Just for info I am 27 not 17!! ;)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Rather a theatrical conclusion.

You'd have made a very good Nancy, in Oliver Twist.

Pleadingly crying out for 'No violence. No violence Bill!'

:hitting8:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Let's go back in time, before Peter Britcliffe was even born, and let's pretend they had Accy Web in 1939.

Would you have condemned posters who'd said they'd like to whack Adolf Hitler with their handbags, given half a chance?

After all he was a democratically elected politican.

:rolleyes:

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

No something much more serious he cocked the country up:p

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

Nice to see your back on the Special Brew Mancie:)

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

27:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:bloody hell, sorry heth, thought you were 67:D

Re: Hyndburn Council tax set to rise
 

yep n yer mate cameron is doin an even better job.:rolleyes: but neither has sod all to do wi hyndburn, but yeh keep linkin it in a sad effort to save face.:D