Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 901821)

Considering the Tories did so many things wrong why didn't Labour put them right, after all they did have quite a long time to redress the balance, just forget how long it was now;)

Originally Posted by Less (Post 901845)

You wouldn't forget if you spent more time on, online bingo, 'Unlucky for some...'
:);)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 901821)

Considering the Tories did so many things wrong why didn't Labour put them right, after all they did have quite a long time to redress the balance, just forget how long it was now;)

Originally Posted by Josie Bloggs (Post 901376)

Maybe if more private sector people joined unions they'd've had more protection. Public sector union members do pay subs out of their wages after all.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 901863)

this is where our ideoligies differ competiveness doesnt need to be ripping off the british worker of his/her rights..

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 901863)

i agree labour didnt go far enough to create an infrastructure integrated transport system reclaim british gas,electric water etc if we did the profits could have been invested in our infrastrucure which would have strenghtened our economy tenfold by capping energy prices for industry etc to make british industry more competitive in the world market.this is where our ideoligies differ competiveness doesnt need to be ripping off the british worker of his/her rights..

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 901907)

You really don't get it do you ? The Unions at their inception were true to their goals of protecting the work force from being used, abused & hung out to dry by greedy industrialists, that was then this is now. Since the sixties & seventies the Unions have been so far removed from their original intent that they are just as bad, if not worse than the "Greedy Industrials" who they were set up to protect the workforce against !

The modern Union is more akin to a capitalist business than a workers champion, not only do they threaten production & stability with their antics, they denigrate those they claim to help. Using extortion & threats to get their way whether it be against a company or their own members, it appears they inflict more harm than good whenever they get involved.

Have a good look at these "defenders of the oppressed", when they call for action they're fine, it's the mugs who down tools & strike who lose out in the long run, the lads & lasses on the picket lines get sacked by their firms, go without wages while those at the top are lapping it up, you won't see them sharing the deprivations of the "Foot Soldiers". Choose any major strike action you like from the 20th Century, Dockers, Miners, Bin men, who were the ones making the sacrifices & suffering ?

The Unions of today are no longer relevant to their heritage & stated aims & as such are now just self serving entities a socialist/ labour jobs for the boys clique. Still (if you feel that they're doing all they can for you ?) well carry on paying your subs & hope that when you need them they really will be there for you, but I wouldn't be so sure.

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 901907)

You really don't get it do you ? The Unions at their inception were true to their goals of protecting the work force from being used, abused & hung out to dry by greedy industrialists, that was then this is now. Since the sixties & seventies the Unions have been so far removed from their original intent that they are just as bad, if not worse than the "Greedy Industrials" who they were set up to protect the workforce against !

The modern Union is more akin to a capitalist business than a workers champion, not only do they threaten production & stability with their antics, they denigrate those they claim to help. Using extortion & threats to get their way whether it be against a company or their own members, it appears they inflict more harm than good whenever they get involved.

Have a good look at these "defenders of the oppressed", when they call for action they're fine, it's the mugs who down tools & strike who lose out in the long run, the lads & lasses on the picket lines get sacked by their firms, go without wages while those at the top are lapping it up, you won't see them sharing the deprivations of the "Foot Soldiers". Choose any major strike action you like from the 20th Century, Dockers, Miners, Bin men, who were the ones making the sacrifices & suffering ?

The Unions of today are no longer relevant to their heritage & stated aims & as such are now just self serving entities a socialist/ labour jobs for the boys clique. Still (if you feel that they're doing all they can for you ?) well carry on paying your subs & hope that when you need them they really will be there for you, but I wouldn't be so sure.

While millions take pay cuts, union leaders rake it in | Workers' Liberty


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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 902040)

Cmonstanley


That is what I call a rebuttal, pure genius.:confused:

So do you have nothing to say about the huge salaries and perks your precious Union leaders get...


That said I am in BALPA, not a union as such....

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 901863)

i agree labour didnt go far enough to create an infrastructure integrated transport system

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 902091)

bus lanes was a start:)