What do you think about the cuts in arts funding?
 

Just wondering what your opinions are on the cuts and how you think it will affect those around you ?

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Theres more important crap going on in this country right now for anyone to be bothered about a cut in piggin arts funding, get a grip, no one gives a toss

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Bring it on.

The good stuff will flourish, the crud will be lost for ever.

Shame.

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The same way that it has been with all art for centuries. The fact is that many artworks are only truly appreciated after the artist's death but we live in a world where there can be no losers and that's the real problem. By cutting arts funding we risk leaving modern artists penniless and depressed when they pass on.

A bit like Van Gogh, one of the finest painters the world has ever produced.

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If this means less 'Flash Mobs' etc then bring it on

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I think that there are other things which are more deserving of the money.
Like support for the parents of handicapped children......they must save the government millions of pounds in the long term.

And if Art is good then it will still find people who will spend money on it.....if it isn't good, then it will not find a market and it will be no loss to the public.

I somehow suspect these are not the answers you were looking for.

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The flip answer is something along the lines of "A civilized society must always find funding for artistic expression".

I see that as balderdash. A civilized society would not put spending on luxuries like painting, music and dance above spending on life or death issues like health care.

If the "artists" want to express themselves, let them do it without spending scarce public money.

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Let those who are interested in the arts pay for it, why should we pay out millions to ballet and opera etc when the majority of ordinary people will never go near it

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The Arts would come a long way down my list of priorities.
I will say again what I have said before.......you don't go to the pictures when the rent is due and you have no food in your pantry.

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Being the Philistine & cultural pygmy that I am, I don't see it being a problem ! After all, far more important things in life that affect everybody from the highest to the lowliest are taking a beating, so why not the Arts ?

Incidentally just what is Art/Arts in this instance ? Just who exactly is going to suffer & be affected by these cuts ? For most people on the street you mention Arts & thoughts go automatically to Galleries, National Ballet, Opera & such like, things that have as much bearing on Joe & Josephina Public as the average temperature of an Eskimos navel ! (Eskimos excluded, as I assume it's pretty important on their scale of things, in fact ask them their views why not ? And await the Eskimo equivalent of ...... Eh ?)

Art is seen as the preserve of the rich & monied. That being the case perhaps they should put their hands in their pockets & support this much vaunted institute if it's held in such high esteem ! Merely the comments of one of the plebs. ;)

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Art can also be something of a snobby domain, which to me flies in the face of appreciating something on a subjective level. As an example, there are racks of works by Lowry which the Tate are apparently refusing to release to an exhibition in Lancashire, despite the fact that they have not been displayed for some time and are unlikely to be in the near future. I fail to see how spending money on preserving our culture by propping up exhibitions and performances is entirely worthwhile when vast tracts of previous art lie unregarded in locked store rooms.

Perhaps I'm missing the point but no other group of people who are trying to make a living purely out of their own talents get public subsidies when they fail to cover costs.

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Absolutely bob on Ken:mosher:

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Yes, some of the greatest art ever produced, was created on a commercial basis, in Renaissance Italy.

No crocheted gonks hanging in their market places, funded by the tax payer.

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Methinks that this question on a messageboard where the majority of users were brought up in a northern impoverished old mill town is pretty pointless, the answer is a resounding couldn't care less :D

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Or who gives a flying;)

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Exactly my reaction in my post John

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Er...that sounds like the idiocy of youth speaking.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Especially when it's their taxes funding the garbage maquerading as art.

As someone who's proud to come from a nothern mill town, but who also happens to be public school educated, with an honours degree in art, and who worked in a creative, yet commercial world, in the capital and throughout the world, for the majority of his life, I can quite happily say that cuts in funding won't affect the arts that are wanted, and appreciated, but happily it will see the end of much of the dross that's funded from the public purse, and supposedly has artistic merit.

Come back when you've left full time education, and you're working....and funding this crud.

In the meantime congratulations on the stupidest post of the month.

Jolly well done you.

;)

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I got a warning for swearing the other week, thought best not ;)

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Now you've been warned for being a bit thick.

;)

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Well, I am the product of a northern Mill town......during my childhood we listened to classical music....including opera. My mother was an accomplished pianist, my father played the violin and both of them worked in the weaving mill......this despite the fact that my mother speaks 13 languages(7 of them fluently).
Art is a very personal thing....some people like Ballet, some opera......some like to view sculptures/visual art....but in the real world, we sometimes have to choose necessities over luxuries.

Let me pose a question to you......If you were the father/mother of a sick or disabled child, where would you like to see the funding go? To a childrens facility/hospice/respite centre or to some Art project??
To me, the answer is a no-brainer.

Don't make assumptions about the good folk of this town......just because we are from an industrial area, which over the years has not had the funding for the luxuries of Art,(and what has been funded has bordered on the ludicrous) does not automatically mean we are all philistines.

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Probably the silliest and most juvenile post I've seen on this site.

Presumably the responses from a south east prosperous new town would be more worthwhile?

Grow up you little tit.

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I'm sorry Gynn...I have to ask this......do you mean blue, or mammary? :):D

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Eurgh calm yourself - I didn't say anything for or against I simply stated that the opinion held by most from the area would be that they couldn't care less. How is that in any way stupid, surely you would agree that it is fact ?

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Neither. It was a term of abuse ;)

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Exactly, not forgetting two of the twentieth century's most successful artists, both critically and commercially, who were both products of impoverished northern mill towns, Lowry and Henry Moore.

As you say Margaret, there's also the musical choirs, bands, and amateur dramatical societies, who have helped many people with talent to go on to world renown, and massive acclaim. Many from this borough.

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And again, all I said was that the majority opinion in a poorer area such as ours that art is not a priority how can anyone refute that ?

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SamF..... that is the problem with the internet, the nuances fail to get across, and if you read it back to yourself, surely you will see that it sounds ever so patronising.

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Why would the opinion of people from that area be so obvious? Can't they think for themselves?

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Art is not a priority while other more important things are going to the wall for lack of funding....wouldn't we be seen as a laughing stock if we spent money we can't afford on Art projects, while not being able to fund vital services.

Arts are the luxuries you buy when you are flush.......you don't buy when you can't pay the rent.

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The only obvious thing is that making assumptions is generally not a good idea.

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You are right and I can see how it could have been read now, took a while since it was not what I meant. Again to reiterate, Accrington is one of the poorer areas of the country. This implies greater financial hardship and therefore different priorities to those in more affluent areas.

For the record I'm from Accrington, skint, live with Artists, play classical guitar, listen to classical music, visit a few galleries a year. Don't shoot :P

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Don't think he meant to offend folks, just a little confusion when all's said & done. :) And let's be honest, his end summation does seem to pretty much cover the general consensus from across the board. :idunno:

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Most of us will support the Arts in our own way....we may visit local productions and some of us may venture further afield to the city to see stage shows, musicals, plays.
I like to visit galleries, stately homes and the like......but only when I can afford to do so.
Just because we are from a poorer part of the country doesn't mean we are not artistically aware, or that we cannot appreciate good quality Art projects...the emphasis here, is on the quality. It is too easy to be bamboozled into thinking that it is art because someone says it is.

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Er...because if you'd care to read what people actually posted, you'd see that people do care, and you are wrong in saying that they 'couldn't care less'.

They are concerned where, and what their taxes are spent, when it comes to funding so called arts. Or indeed respite care for disabled children.

If they didn't care, one way or another, I presume they wouldn't have bothered to express an opinion.

Living in an 'impoverished northern mill town' has absolutely no bearing on anyone's opinion. Fact. To suggest otherwise is crassly patronising, as well as being wrong.

From what some people, unable to read clear statements, and who exhibit such gross stupidity, perhaps it's cuts in further education that are needed, because it doesn't seem to have been very benefical.

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Not necessarily!
It just might be that we are choosy as to what we determine ART to be.

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think if it gets rid of street Graffiti "art" projects and money being spent to teach 'urban' youth how to rap (rhyme Motha with Sucka etc.) dont see any problem with withdrawing funds. ;)

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Ok, for complete clarity. The question was what is your opinion on the cuts in arts funding. You yourself say that public funding is not required.

Stop insulting me, this has been a misunderstanding and you quite frankly have no right.

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Artistic appreciation knows no geographic, or economic boundaries.

Similarly that also applies to understanding, intelligence, and common sense.

;)

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I think you'll find you're wrong again.

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Not intending my comment to be some kind of Zen thingy or the rhetoric of the Artsy, philosophising types, but a simple statement as you yourself have noted in your own comment Ma. :)

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I did not say a single thing about Artistic appreciation.

Stop with the insults, you are showing yourself to be a fool.

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Er...you might need clarity.

Apparently not understanding what you wrote was patronising in the extreme.

Personally I don't need clarification.

I clearly, and simply gave my opinion on this topic, in post three of this thread.

;)

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It's Ok Son...you and I have a unique understanding anyway......don't we :)

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As to whether the impoverished residents of a northern mill town have an opinion on publicly funded arts, or if indeed they couldn't 'care less'.

Perhaps evidence could be gathered by reading one of the longest threads in Accy Web history.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...art-55321.html

;)

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Not me that looks more than a little foolish.

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No, you implied that as residents of an impoverished northern mill town they therefore would have no opinion on the cuts in the arts.

Wrongly implied, I add again.

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It seems samf has angered garinda somewhat,:D as many people have said the arts are very low on the list of the priorities of most folk at the moment.Funding for the arts is a very contentious subject,as garinda said good art will always find funding. If the public purse withdraws funding the wheat could be sorted from the chaff after all they say talent always shines through in the end.:alright:

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By the way SamF, you haven't given us your opinion, when it comes to the cuts.

Or, instead of presuming what the residents of an impoverished northern mill town would think, when it comes to what their taxes are spent on, was it in fact your own opinion, that you couldn't care less?

That might change, once you're working full-time, and a great percentage of what you earn is taken away, and spent on such fripperies as 'community art'.

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Oh you obviously don't know me very well.

I'm much to lazy ever to waste energy on being angry.

I'll suffer any fool gladly.

At very little effort, on my part.

:)

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I was using angered in a loose sense, i have gleaned from watching your posts on here you seem to relish a good joust with other posters.And i have to say in my opinion you are very good at it. To good for samf and the likes of numpties like me, being from an impoverished northen mill town:D

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Oh dear SamF.

Another wildly wrong presumption, with your karma comment.

I haven't had a few, as you wrongly assumed.

I don't drink.

Cheers.

:thepint:

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Tis true.

There's a great shortage in the impoverished industrial north.

Village idiots are hard to come by.

When you find one, you should appreciate their efforts.

:)

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It's disgraceful.

Disgraceful that we're still spending taxpayers' money on the arts in the first place. I don't listen to classical music, go to art galleries, the theatre or ballet and I wouldn't been seen dead at any of the laughable artistic "happenings" that have been inflicted on Accrington recently. Call me a philistine if you want, but that's my choice, so why should my hard earned taxes be used to finance these activities?

Many of my tastes are minority interests (you won't hear any Wynonie Harris records on Radio One anytime soon ;) ) but I don't expect others to subsidise my interests, so why should I subsidise theirs?

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Just wondering meself what yours are?:rolleyes:

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Forgot to answer the second part of your question...it won't even register on their radar because no one I know gives a tinker's cuss about the arts.

They do, however, care quite a bit about the taxes they're stumping up.

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I'm with you on that one Steeljack. :D:D

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Yes there are more important things going on in the country. Who do you think raises awareness of these things?

I would be interested to hear what things you are concerned about rather than just throwing such an ignorant response as that in. There really is no need.

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many childrens' facilities/hospices/respite centres use creative therapy to help those children, this will be affected as well with funding for arts being cut where do you think they will get their funding for the resources from?

Many are allocated a certain amount of funding for creative resources, this has been cut down to minimal amounts. The funding cuts affect many people including children. I didn't specify this at first because I wanted to see whether people would just assume I meant art- as in painting. I have got a very clear impression that people are ignorant about the impact of these cuts and have a pretty narrowed opinion.

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This is getting to be a habit Wyn - me agreeing with you;) If you want to support "art" then pay for it out of your pocket, don't expect it to be paid for by others e.g. the taxpayer:(

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Well to be honest I think it is quite sad.
As I have said in previous posts it affects a wider demographic than people are assuming.

I worked in a fabulous nursery - Fairfield in Accrington.
They had a different kind of learning going on there - based around giving the child creative experiences that they could learn from - a lot more in depth than that , but you can see where I am going. The specific type of learning enabled the children to build their logic skills which in turn helped them to create and build other learning skills. The children attending the nursery have done fantastically at schools. I am sure the Mooneys will agree with this. :)

The thing is a lot of their funding came from "creative' pots which simply won't be there much longer. That makes me sad.

I have also recently worked in a school in Blackburn who have little money for creative activities as it is - the children are missing out, because like it or not learning through the creative process is one of the most beneficial ways to learn. I am not just talking about painting, but building 3D models/dens/tactile experiences.

How many of you have experienced the joy of your child/grandchild bringing home their first painting - would you take that away from someone else?

Designers, architects, textile manufacturers, art therapists, product designers (including wheelchair and special support furniture designers) will all be affected and many more.

So it will affect disability provisions.

Who do you think will construct the advertising for your good causes? In this day and age where we are bombarded with advertisments, we have become ad-blind. To get through all of that you need good designers, educated ones- not the monkeys who sit on their pc and throw a poster out in publisher, then say ooo I am a designer.

I hate the fact the local governments won't help those in need but will regenerate areas that are fine, or put up sculptures that they have paid thousands of pounds for, or even consider spending money on fixing that damned ugly mess they call a clock in the arndale.

And Flashy- did you vote to keep the clock - that's some money that could go to some of your good causes eh?

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You will abuse me for asking this but why do they save millions?

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think the best answer to this is akin to the one given by Judge Potter Stewart when he was asked to decide a case on pornography

"shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that. "

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Speak for yourself.

Arts council cuts listed: get the data | News | guardian.co.uk

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Er...no it won't.

If there's a market for what they produce, in the real world of commerce, people will be prepared to but it.

As stated earlier, there was no publicly funded arts in Renaissance Italy.

Or indeed in nineteenth Britain. When this country produced some of are most creative art and design. All funded because what they produced, people were prepared to fund by actually purchasing it.

Throwing tax payers' money at things some numpty has decided is 'art', doesn't mean it has any artistic merit, or worth.

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Oh Neil, you do me a great disservice.........why would I abuse you for asking that question?
Do I really abuse people?????? I might have strong opinions, but try hard to steer clear of abuse.
Anyway this question of yours will have to wait, but I will enlighten you later.

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To simplify : it saves the government millions by parents providing the bulk of care for the disabled children../adults …. Many give up work… and care 24/7 for the person they are looking after… totally unpaid ( yes they do it out of love ) but if they were to turn round and say NO …. Where would the disabled people be.. at the mercy of this so called caring state we live in….(this costing the state money) all the carers ask for is a little bit of respite from time to time … and this is being cut back… day centres and the like are closing down… the list is endless…
There is little enough support be it financial or emotional … cut backs should be made in other areas so these caring people have what they need… and sorry to say this but apart from love… the only area which will help disabled people is money: ( to provide much needed resources )
　
Back to the original topic …. YES funds should be cut for art and services of the like: in my opinion

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Magpie, you beat me to it.
Yes, for these parents there are no days off, no Holidays, no pensions schemes.
And before you ask about the benefits these parents may be entitled to collect.....if it was worked out, then it would still be cheaper than putting these children into intstitutionalised care(which is what used to happen)...after all this kind of care needs buildings to be bought and paid for, staff to run them(on a 2 or 3 shift system, so that the carers get some time off)Utilities to be paid for, maintenance of buildings, training for staff to keep up their competences......do I need to elaborate more?

When I was training, I worked on the Childrens Ward at QPH.....we took disabled children for respite care.So that their parents could take a two week holiday. Looking after them was very hard work.....they needed to be fed, toileted(nappies changed bottoms washed....and these were 10 years and 12 years old) dressed and kept safe.
Could you do this for 27/7....50 weeks of the year? even for someone you loved?

Their parents obviously loved them but they never ever got a full nights sleep, or a meal in peace while the children were home. For two weeks we gave them that luxury...two weeks per year.....is that too much to ask?

I know this is a major thread wander, but it is relevant to the topic...unless you deem it otherwise of course.

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1. Donations & fund raising carried out by these establishments themselves, many other organisations are also sustaining cuts to their funding but seem to manage. There are many folk of my age & those of a more senior generation who managed well enough on their own efforts & merits, money from government was unheard of & unexpected, self sufficiency being their mantra.

2. Since you've now seen the depth of feeling to Art "as in painting" & you've now confirmed your interest as to why you posed such a question phrased as it was, you've concluded people are ignorant & narrow minded ! If you'd been more honest & open from the outset, you'd have found probably a more amenable & receptive response. As it is your funding is being reduced, not removed so destitution isn't imminent is it ? As I've stated previously self reliance & better distribution of assets will have to be more pertinent in your daily dealings.

Unfortunately that is UK's lot & it's going to be a damn site worse in the near future until the Country is turned around & brought back to a semblance of normality with things being all rosy in the garden again. So until then there's going to be quite a lot of hurt, which folk'll have to suck up & say "Thank you" for !

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I know and understand about such facilities for children in facilities/hospices/respite centres......but if these facilities were themselves to go, due to cuts in funding then where does that leave the Art Projects......? Nowhwere!
I also understand that children who are compromised by disability do get pleasure from artistic pursuits, but I also know that money can be found by re-naming these pursuits'educational/recreational' which would mean they are catered for in a different budget.
We have to get used to the fact that we are short of money, and be realistic about what essentials need funding.......we cannot fund some of the things that are essentails.

I am not ignorant and do not appreciate this slur being directed at me, or for that matter other contributors.
I think I(and others) have presented a reasoned, articulate argument as to why the cuts in Art funding are right and proper.......that the argument doesn't please you or support your cause is of no concern to me.

As for your comment that Architecture(and other Arts based professions) will suffer....that is a risible suggestion.......these are marketable skills. The market will determine which of these are profitable and which aren't....and will purchase, according to their tastes and desires.

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er yes they will- combined and visual arts funding has been cut across the board in many universities, causing the future of the courses to be in question. These are all as I mentioned before.

I am open to changing my opinion, it isn't set in stone, so was wondering what specific art and design you are refferring to.

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Sorry Gary, hadn't seen your comments in post 64......anyway I agree with what you have so eloquently said.......much more succinctly than my comment!

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Er...everything from Turner, and William Morris, to Christopher Dresser.

Just a few of our great nineteenth century artists/designers, whose work sold itself...without the need for state subsidy.

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Ah funding in Uni courses....well pretty soon there won't be enough students to fund courses of any description...does that mean that all artistic pusuits will cease?

According to the news today 75% of universities are talking of making staff redundant.

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Since you seem so keen on art education, are you involved with that field, and if so, in what way?

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So do I.

You asked a question, people answered, just because you don't like the answers doesn't mean they are wrong or that the people are ignorant.

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As with commerce, those who do so, after an education in art/design, will flourish...if they're any good.

Personally I think there's too much emphasis on higher education.

There are already too many Micky Mouse degree courses. With most not having a cat in Hell's chance of working in the field in which they've been trained.

If you're that good, and people want what you produce, you don't even need any formal arts training.

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One of the most successful artists I personally knew, if you discount Hockney, and Gilbert and George, was apprenticed to a painter, straight out of school, and had people queueing up to buy his work at fifty grand a pop, in the late eighties.

No formal art education. No state funding.

People purely appreciated what he did, and were prepared to pay handsomely for it.

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All of whom were educated.

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I didn't say you were ignorant. I said people were ignorant of the the effects of the cuts. That is a different thing. I certainly wasn't calling you ignorant.

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Of those three only Dresser received what could be passably compared to today's formal art education.

Turner was a pupil at the R.A., and Morris was privately educated.

As working artists they were self-financing. None of them relied on handouts from the tax payer.

As stated earlier, those who do have genuine talent will find a place in art education, if they so wish.

Those whose ambition outweighs their talent, will have to think of some other way to make a living.

Sink or swim.

Just like the rest of the working world.

;)

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...and what qualifies you, and your opinion, of not being ignorant?

As you presume everyone else is.

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If you say people are ignorant, then by implication I am included......and to be honest I don't think you clarified it as you have done here by adding the phrase 'of the effects of the cuts'....or certainly that isn't how I read it.

I have said before, the internet is very unforgiving, in that, it doesn't allow for the nuances of face to face speech....and as such it is remarkably easy to give offence.
You could have avoided this in a very simple way by adding the word 'some'. As in, some people are ignorant of the effects of the cuts....better still would have been some people are uaware of how the cuts in art funding will affect their lives.
Then you could have strenghthened your case by educating those whom you deemed ignorant.
You could have outlined why you think Art is an important aspect of daily life...it is obviously important in your life......perhaps less so in the lives of others.

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I find peoples response interesting thats all, I was simply curious as to how people thought it would affect them.

Yes things do come across in a very blunt way sometimes on the net, but in truth don't think I could have avoided it because this is how some threads seem to run on here.

I am certainly not expecting everybody to have an opinion that agrees with mine, not at all, but feel that because my opinion doesn't match that of others I am in the firing line. No matter though.

I have said why I think that creativity is important, especially in the younger end of education.

However I still stand by what I said when I said
'people are unaware of how the cuts in art funding will affect their lives'
being unaware of something or being ignorant to something is the same thing. I wasn't using ignorant as a derogatory term. So apologies if it caused offense.

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Keetah, it is good that you stand by what you said......you have to have the courage of your convictions.

Artistic pursuits still happen in primay schools......you can clearly see that by standing by the gates of any school around Easter time...seeing the children bringing home t heir home made hats, depictions of eggs and other such stuff.
This week at the school my daughters two children attend, they are making decorated crowns to wear at their street party on Thursday, to celebrate the Royal Wedding...they were sent home with templates and the children were asked to make the crowns as colourful as possible using whatever material they liked.......but putting coins on to represent the 'sparkle'...this money will go into the schools coffers and the children as a whole will benefit from it in a variety of ways(theatre visits...travelling art exhibitions aimed purely at children, science workshops etc etc)So with some imagination and work artistic pursuits can still be enjoyed.......and children will still be bringing home those smudgie pictures to grace the fridge door.

Now whether these children will be fired with enthusiasm to continue their artistic pursuits or even the appreciation of art(in all its forms)when they go to secondary school, well I guess that is down to the child and the school.

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You didn't reply to my earlier question. (Posts 74 and 81.)

As you have such an indepth insight into how the cuts will affect the arts, particularly in education, making you not 'ignorant', unlike the rest of us, how have you gained this knowledge? Were you professionally involved?

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keetah, arguments which try to be heartstring pulling but don't have much logic or fact in them don't go down well with people from 'northern impoverished old mill towns'.
If the children aren't building dens and enjoying 'tactile experiences' they might have more time to learn to read,write and do maths. Going off what employers and universities say they certainly need it.
A childs first painting at school will be impossible without arts grant support? Don't be foolish.
Designers, architects, wheelchair designers? Now you're really bringing tears to my eyes. Not one of those you list needs or gets arts grant support. I HOPE! I wouldn't like to live in a house designed by an architect who couldn't survive without an arts grant.
Times are bad. People who come from 'northern impoverished old mill towns' need a lot of convincing that the taxes they pay should, at the moment, be spent on art, or even Art.
Forget the emotion and give us just one thing from the art world you think needs and deserves some of the money we're currently borrowing from the rest of the world!

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What has some bagwash, barmpot religious sect got to do with arts funding?:D:rolleyes:

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I think she might mean the Mooney family, rather than the religious sect. :)

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Or maybe not,she may mean the bagwash barmpot, religious nutters.They are probably big supporters of the arts:D:alright:

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Garinda for the first time in a long time I agree.

I, at 15 was given the opportunity to train as a butcher and took that job at £3 a week and happy to do it.
It was about my level at that time and was accepted.
I do not know anyone at my school who went on to university in 1954?
I have never in my life been without a job and if I could not find one I have found a way legally to make money for myself and my family and pay my tax.
I am now 72 years old and still think of ways of making money,I think there must be a lesson in there somewhere?

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Garinda- I am coming to the end of a Graphic design degree. Some people may feel the need to start harping on about how myself, being a student, is just wasting your taxes etc.
Let me assure you that no money for my education has come from your wallets/purses or anyone elses but my own. I have worked from the age of 16, full time once I left college and have never been out of work. So I think enough of my own taxes would cover that. But I am a self-funding student. Do I get a loan, yes but it has to be paid back-every penny.

(Gordon) So the cuts have been discussed with us (lucky us eh?) and the future of many courses looks bleak. That includes design, multi-media (film makers, web designers, product designers etc). Although there are plenty of professionals out there quite capable of doing the job and not needing funding, eventually the trades may diminish like many before and I just wonder where that will leave us.
'A child's first painting at school will be impossible without arts grant support? Don't be foolish.' I didn't actually say that.:rolleyes:

With regards to something that might be worthwhile, how about using an old derelict building for a creative hub, (artists, designers, sculptors musicians etc) which would not only generate local income through visitors, but would also give employment and volunteer opportunities to those in the 'local mill towns'. Cafe, local workshops.

It's main aim would be to improve community solidarity and give people of all ages the skills to become partially sufficient from the land.
Rather than having an empty building that once served as a mill, why not use it for a new kind of employment opportunity?

What if it was developed mainly from private funds- not government funding, but the local community had a say in it's development?

Rather than a profit making company, it would be a social enterprise- non profit, putting back in to the local area.

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Lol, good work in the real world, where commerce is king.

Like I said, bring on the cuts to the arts!

The good will flourish, because people will want to part with money for it.

The rest will happily be gone.

Bye bye Wooly Gonk and Knitty Nora.

Bye bye Flash Mob.

Bye bye state funded dross.

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keetah, I admire you for the things you say in your first paragraph(although don't forget the universities are heavily subsidised by the state ie.other taxpayers, over and above what it has cost you).Good for you and I hope you're never out of work!
However, you then start your fantasizing again- do you realize what converting an 'old derelict building/mill' to meet current Health and Safety standards would cost? We then, I assume, subsidise your artists, designers, sculptors, musicians etc. so that they can generate a little local income, hopefully. You're not talking about employment opportunity, you're talking about subsidised opportunity.
Community solidarity is created by men and women working together in something that generates wealth for their country and having hopes for their future, I remember it well. The only way we can repay the money we are borrowing is by exporting things to countries who will pay us for them,whether it's banking, services,cars or even guns. See Germany!
We can't afford your dreams at the moment. Sorry.

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Gordon, you made me chuckle.

Embrace my fantasies :P

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keetah i think me n many would love to embrace yer fantasies, have a vested interest meself, but it just aint practical/affordable in this climate.;)

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Sounds interesting.

What kind of interests do you hold in your vest?

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that'd be telling.:D

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Keetah...you don't want to be knowing that kind of stuff :D:D:D

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I mean...just look at his avatar will you ! :D

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Oh I have met him in person, serving him ale he didn't need lol !