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Are you criticising Jane Ellis? If so, just step outside so we can discuss it.

She's lovely. (in a strictly PC non sexist way!)

:o

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Way to go:alright:

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Thank you to all in Hyndburn who have helped Labour back into control.

Now the REAL work begins.....

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guess this means "a chicken in every pot" and free housing/council tax for every dolloper who turns up ......;)

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A new era dawns.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

It'll take some time getting used to.

Saying goodbye to such a high profile council leader, and hello to another, who keeps himself so well away from the public gaze, that it almost renders him invisible.

I'm just praying they don't cut fumding to community arts in the borough.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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So festers definately out then?

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Why, would that tempt you back over here?

:rolleyes::D

Re: Hyndburn Local Elections - 5th May
 

HUNCOAT ELECTION

LABOUR 215
CON 345
INDEPENDENT 989


slightly one-sided don't you agree?

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Poor Mr Britcliffe. He will lose some of his £46000 income. My heart bleeds.

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Well done Ken and to Labour, lets see if you can do any better.

Glad festers gone, but then who isn't.

Shame there was only a 44% turnout, and even less for the referendum. Maybe voter apathy is something out elected members should try to tackle.:D

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What a splendid day.:D

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Item 1 on the agenda. The Budget.

You have inherited a potentially illegal budget, because it appears to contain savings that are a figment of someone's imagination. Reasonable questions that were asked at budget time were dismissed not just by the Cabinet, but also by the Scrutiny chairman who should have been asking them.

My advice is to get Miles to put an immediate block on all the Tory spend, spend, spend proposals, ask Management Team for an update on spending and savings, (by first thing Monday morning) and seek an early meeting with the external auditors to discuss the extent of the problem.

Otherwise the proverbial will hit the fan in 9 months time.

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Predictable really, as voters saw it for the utter cynical ploy that it is - a bribe to the Libdems, paid for by the taxpayer.

However, now he's got in the referendum habit, perhaps Cameron would like to hold one on our membership of the EU? I can guarantee there'd be a very large turnout for that! :rolleyes:

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I would skip over broken glass and hot coals to vote in a referendum on the EU.

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So would a lot of people, Margaret, but that's why neither the Tories nor Labour will ever hold one - they might see real democracy in action and we wouldn't want that would we?

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No, he won't.

That was a combined figure, including his L.C.C. expenses.

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I'd hold your hand, and do it with you!

:Banane54::Banane54:


:D

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Steve, I have always said that if voting changed anything, they(the powers that be) would stop us from doing it....and that saying proves the point doesn't it?
They don't want us to be voting on the EU so they deny us that choice.

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Please, tell me it is true.........PB is no longer the leader of the council???????
Maybe we can see some common sense changes around the borough now...ones that do not rely on massaging this mans ego.........hey....does it mean we'll see less of him in the Obby too......well rot my socks!!!!!!! Great....double great!

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I am a bit confused (OK it's early am) about the election results.
I do not see PB's name mentioned in the results table.
Did he stand or was his ward not due for an election? Which ward did he represent apart from the "Peter Britcliffe want to be King" ward.
I am not very well up in politics. Can some one explain to me how he became the Council leader and apparently is no longer.

Re: Hyndburn Local Elections - 5th May
 

Quite right, Margaret, and it applies to Accyweb politicians too, who studiously avoid the subject of an EU referendum, with one honourable exception...Ken Moss who is anything but a typical politician.

PS - that's meant as a compliment, Ken! ;)

Re: Hyndburn Local Elections - 5th May
 

Labour have outright control of the council with 18 seats so Miles Parkinson is definitely absolutely the new Leader of the Council. Goodbye Cllr Britcliffe, my condolences on your wage reduction.....

They didn't seem terribly happy about me filming last night and kicked up a bit of a fuss but since the legal team had already cleared me and told me of the restrictions on what detail I could film it all fell on deaf ears. I'll try to cut down an edit over the weekend so you can see the unalloyed pleasure on the Tory faces as seat after seat fell away from them. (Don't worry Gynn, I didn't film that much and once it's cut down we'll be lucky if there's five minutes' worth).

Let's not kid ourselves that this is now a new age of prosperity where all problems will be solved overnight but it does at least give Hyndburn a fighting chance to iron out so many things that have been itching away at us. However, it will take months of work to even begin to get things into shape so please stick with us.

A very exciting time looms ahead and contrary to Tory belief I will not be disappearing off the forum.

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Compliment taken, Steve. I'm in a surprisingly chipper mood this morning!

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Thanks for the advice. The full enormity of the work that lies ahead will become apparent over the next few weeks and this is something I look forward to tackling in an attempt at damage limitation.

Expect a bit of mudslinging from the Conservatives, I can't see them simply rolling over and keeping quiet.

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I'm sure you are, Ken. Congratulations...and looking forward to the film! Glad to hear you won't be departing the forum, although I'm sure you'll be very, very busy with local issues. ;) :D

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Peter Britcliffe was up for election last year and each councillor gets four years once elected. The Conservative party had 17 seats in Hyndburn plus support from Malcolm Pritchard to give them the 18 they needed to retain control of the council in 2010. His own party then elected him as Leader of the Council at the Council AGM last May.

Labour now hold 18 seats on the council, enough for an outright majority, therefore we have control and the new Leader will be Miles Parkinson by the time of the next Council AGM in just under two weeks.

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He's a councillor in my ward, and there wasn't an election here this year.

He's no longer leader because Labour now have a majority at H.B.C.

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That I will!

However, I have had almost unswerving support from Accyweb since before I was elected and it only seems proper to keep myself fully accountable now that I am in a position to try and do something really worthwhile. I can't begin to tell you how excited I am this morning at the possibilities which opened up last night but I must reiterate that it will take a long time.

If any of you have questions then please feel free to ask them as they arise and I'll do my best to get you an answer without resorting to '11 years of Conservative rule' as a cushion.

I can't promise that I won't slip it in there once or twice though.....

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Sorry, missed that bit.

It's St. Andrew's ward, Ossy.

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I say its time to get rid of this profligate Labour Council, I just love being in opposition tha can say out tha wants:D:D:D

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Oh the joys of other people calling him fester :D ..... I thank you :D Ken i've said this several times now but, again.....CONGRATS kid ;)

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Like it's ever stopped you before, John! Just don't go all frosty on me like Stan Horne did last night when I shook his hand in commiseration....

Regrettably, Cllr Britcliffe left long before I could go and wish him well in his new role.

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Thanks Shaz. We're off up to the Council offices later on to start work straight away, although I'm not expecting a warm reception from the previous incumbents.

'Cllr Britcliffe, I want your desk cleared by 5.'

Would that be a little disingenuous?

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Just make sure all shredders are are rendered useless before that

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Don't worry, Ken. We will! And with my knowledge of local government and the internal workings of HBC, I will see straight through any bullsh*t!

;)

Congratulations, by the way!

Re: Hyndburn Local Elections - 5th May
 

44% is a decent turnout for local elections. We were expecting it being lower than that.

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Point taken.

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Ya mean Stan wasn't happy, but I'm sure he didn't get the same treatment as Monica Browning did some years ago when after losing here seat to labour, was unceremoniously told to F off you dried up old cow, when she wanted to shake hands after the count:rolleyes:

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Well done Ken.......and as for Stan Horne........I hate sore losers!

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He will lose his allowance for being council leader, and I'm sure he may well lose many, if not all, of the chairmanships he holds...he was chair for 8 committee's according to HBC website.

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Think his biggest loss will be "Face":rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: i may even consider voting in the locals again, now the poop has been scooped.:D

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thats it for another year ....:p

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Expect the unexpected.
The split in the coalition widens daily.
If the coalition collapses, we may get another general election.

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Well done Ken and all. Well the boot is on the other foot now;). All the opportunity, to make right the wrongs. Keep up the good work, I really did see this day coming:hothothot

Mistakes are allowed to be made, when your a big enough man to admit them.:cool: Keep up the good work.

Re: Hyndburn Local Elections - 5th May
 

spotted this error on the lanc telegraph site

Bobby Anwar UK Independence Party 88
Mohammad Ayub Labour 1602
Razaq Hussain Conservative 54

54?!

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I don't know if this will happen. From the results I've seen, the Lib-Dems don't seem to have any options other than staying in the coalition, and keeping their fingers crossed that things will get better for them. Maybe it depends on whether or not the Tories think they can manage to get a majority on their own. If they don't think that this is possible, they have as much invested in maintaining the coalition as do the Lib-Dems. It seems like they are stuck in a rotten marriage where divorce isn't an option:rolleyes:

And congrats to Labour, and to all those who took the trouble to vote, for whatever party:alright:

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When it comes to campaigning for the next election(National), it is going to be pretty hard for the Tories and the Lib Dems to stand side by side and shred each others policies when they have been in government together....and as such, responsible for the policies they are condemning.
I can't wait to see how this works.....although, if I am honest, I thought it would all be washed up before now.

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Well done Ken :D

Fester what can I say apart from..............................

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

:D

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oooh Heth, I do like your style. :)

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Marg I could have put something else but would prob get "dun" off mod's!!!

It did bring a great smile to my face though when realised fester would have to sod off!!!

:D

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He'll probably find some ancient bye-law that gives him the right of appeal :D

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Dont think he will get anywere though..........................:dancedog:

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I myself feel sorry for PB he has been defeated and deposed in his beloved town.Betrayed and cast aside by the very people to which he offered succor unending wisdom and leadership too.He is no longer the all seeing ,powerful charismatic,political giant he once was, he accywebbers needs our pity and kindness not our scorn and ridicule, please show some empathy with this fallen hero.


NOT:D:D:D:tongueout

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Aint life a bitch?:D:D:D:D:D

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Well said that!!!

Wonder if his lil whipping boy is reading our posts reporting back like before!!!

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I liked the smilie blowing the raspberry, best.
It just sums up how I feel about the guy.

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The ambition has to be to create a better atmosphere. To have residents feel like they can look in and actually see what is happening and make an informed judgement.

My personal view is this is a great chance to clean up politics. Eg the disgrace that has been brought to the Mayors position.

I don't expect Miles to be in the paper unless necessary or important.

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Good, I quite like his new title 'FORMER COUNCIL LEADER britcliffe' :D

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Prefer HAS BEEN meself.:D

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There is a time for the nicities and aspirations of partisan politics; and there is a time to gloat.

From a distance, this appears to be a time for gloating;):D

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Narcissists can get irrationally nasty when they don't get their own way, so tread careful, and watch your back, if you have dealings with them.

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Don't be too sure;)

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Ya know I never looked at Graham like that Margaret:D

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Who you consider to be narcissistic, and who I believe to be so, are obviously not the same.

Narcissists encourage idolatry, and you have clearly succumbed.:rolleyes:

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Is that a conspiracy Margaret, because as you know we never did see eye to eye on that score:D

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Just been with Miles tonight. Pulling together is a key theme. Greg criticised George and then Peter. Our ambition is team work for the place we want to leave in a better condition than we found it.

Had a l

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You been drinking Graham?????!!!!! :D

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If hes any sense hes been celebrating.:D:D:D

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I think he has fallen asleep with his head on the keyboard!!! ;)

Glad he has had a nice night..............all this planning is thirsty work dont you know!! :D

Only kidding Graham!!!

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Had a long discussion about implementing what we promised. About the many issues and problems left to us. About the hundreds of small changes, about each ward. About the long term view. About the options that Labour councillors will have to consider.

All in all a lot of simple changes will be brought in to save money, drive out inefficiency and most of all be more customer/resident friendly. We will also take a big picture view to jobs, employment, housing, cleansing, waste and visual blight.

It is an exciting time.

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i wish BwD borough council was more like Hyndburn Graham

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Brilliant, you're going to get rid of all the alchy's and druggies ruining the town centre :)

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But that involves a lot of drinking, eh.:confused:

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Maybe he was referring to the late Leader;)

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One of the immediate big issues is Clr Britcliffe who promised £5.2m of spending to various groups/organisations and there is only £2m available and the council owes nearly £10m. There's been a lot of reckless spending commitments with no rationale and we need to stop all council spending and review the value/worth.

Spending other people's money has been all to easy in the past.

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i think Hyndburn residents now need total transparency

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fester obviously knew that he was going to be booted out and 'spent' this non existant money on purpose knowing full well that Labour would be seen as being the bad guys for not being able to come up with the goods (not being able to get blood from a stone and all that)

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Its gonna be hard Graham but carry on like you are doing, being honest and letting everyone know exactly what is happening. It's the best way.

It wont surprise anybody I dont think what fester has done.

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In short .. cuts! :)

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More cuts ;)

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So long as the first un is festers throat,reckon i can live wi it.:D

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Never thought of that.. he might even take it upon himself to loose a bit of wieght!

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Just a pity Blair and Brown didn't agree with you Graham, think you'll find they got through a few quid themselves;)

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which aint a great deal to do wi the way festers leaving Hyndburn.:D

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Same difference but on a huger scale cashy, There's the old saying talking is cheap, Labour have always been great at talking the talk, but very poor at walking the walk, their great in opposition then everything goes tits up when they're in the driving seat, and that's at any level of politics you care to mention:rolleyes:;)

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i always believe in giving everyone chance to prove their worth, as i even did wi Blair when he was made P.M. then if they cock up,i slag em.:rolleyes:

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Well I used to do that with Labour cashy, then I thought, why waste time its a racing cert they'll cock it up in the end, can say I've ever been wrong really cashy;):rolleyes::D

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Not to say 'I told you so' but I warned last year that Cllr Britcliffe would spend everything in the pot before the election and leave us in a difficult financial position.

Lo and behold, here we are in May with a problem.

I'm sure the Accyweb archivist will be able to find my posts if pressed.

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Take it from one who worked for many years with both Labour and Conservative administrations.

They are both as committed as each other. They are both as devious as each other.

I never saw much difference between them.

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I think I was trying to say the same thing gynn, its a bit like the kettle calling the pan sooty bum really, yet Labour always try to say its the nasty Tories and they are as white as the driven snow, when it comes down to dirty tricks they are both as bad as one another and it has never changed in the forty odd years I was involved;)

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I don't know how you can say such a thing.

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They always say that truth hurts Bernard;)

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politicians don't feel the barbs of insults, they only feel pain in their wallets.

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I was a joke, Gynn and myself go back along way.

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So what made people start taking you seriously, Bernard? ;)

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I'm quite aware it was a joke Bernard, you must know gynn very well:D

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What has it got to do with you? Ken Moss and others told us that local politics and parliamentary/party politics were two completely different animals, we were advised to ignore the colour of the rosette and vote for the person. If this is so couldn't you have had deep and meaningful discussions with PB about was best for the borough of Hyndburn. :rolleyes::D

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Think your spot on with that one Margaret, but if I had ever been fit to be a councillor, it wouldn't have applied to me because I always said I wouldn't claim a penny in allowances just out of pocket expenses, you see I was brought up in politics when councillors did their duties for the good of the community not their pockets, which meant that you actually got people who genuinely wanted to make a difference. As people know I was involved in politics for many years I was also very much involved with numerous charities, so my involvement within the community actually cost me money rather than make it, but I wouldn't have it any other way, at least I could sleep at night with a clear conscience

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Think that discussion would have had to be in a boxing ring yerself;)

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That's sort of what I was driving at but not entirely. Voting for a badge should not be the be all and end all of your ballot, for instance if you were staunch Tory but knew in your heart of hearts that they weren't the best for the job it makes the vote worthless, same with any candidate of any colour. Graham was easily the best man for the job of MP which is why he will always have my support and that of every other Labour councillor (I suspect a few Tories on the quiet as well). I could point to Ken Hargreaves as a man who was respected for his worth rather than his badge.

What I personally am trying to get away from is councillors purely being standard bearers for the national party and getting people to recognise the wheat from the chaff in Hyndburn when it comes to the ballot box.