Travellers on Arden Hall Playing Field
 

Over the past couple of weeks travellers have descended onto Arden Hall playing field, my other half walked back from the school this morning and the number of caravans has doubled. Who do we report this to? Though saying that I'm sure people who need to know probably do, does anyone know what can be done about it?

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I will ask my Dad as he wont be happy about this.

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The recreation ground is the responsibility of Hyndburn council
Recreation Grounds - Hyndburn's Recreation Grounds

So there will be delays in getting them removed, just like when they have parked illegaly elsewhere in the borough.

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Everything is being done. They had to be gone by Sunday night or be removed by the police and courts this week.

A big thank you to Wedny Dwyer, Bernard Dawson and June Harrison for staying on top of this and hopefully preventative action will follow.

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These are the odds on their next port of call:

2/1 Church Traffic Lights

3/1 ASDA car park

4/1 Kings Highway

5/1 Holland Street

6/1 others

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Some were on Aldi car park last year....handy for bread and milk etc..
I've always wondered were they get fresh water from.

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I will give you one guess :rolleyes:

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Have Council Officers not been involved with this or do they not deserve thanks?

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June Harrison the local councillor who lives ay Owl Cottage by Arden Hall gates

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um;););)

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I'm pleased that something is supposed to be being done, though dont think they're that bothered as their size has doubled since Sunday.

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This is a problem:confused: If they are there illegally, why doesn't someone in the neighbourhood just phone the coppers to have them moved on. If it happened in Kingston, someone would phone the KPD. A couple of cruisers with some hefty, rugged patrol officers would arrive, along with the dogs, and the problem would be sorted out real quick. Why, if there are laws already in place, does the council have to get involved? Surely the council has more important things to do than involve itself in the day - to -day details of law enforecement.

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Its just a tad different over here Eric, ya see these people have rights and to get um moved on you have to go to court and when you have a court order to get them moved from a particular site they can move 30 yards down the road and start again, I know I knows its crazy, but its Great Britain 2011

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Weird. What should be a simple case of breaking the law seems awful complicated and expensive. By the by, who controls policing in Hyndburn? Is it the county council, or the municipality?

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They come under the County Police authority Eric, but they still have to go through the courts, that's what's the nonsense about the whole issue

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Aren't they paid employees ?

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Yes they are, does that mean they can be forgotten about?

I get a thanks at work when I have done a good job.

Grahams comment made it look like the Councillors are doing all the work, maybe someone in the know could explain exactly how much work is involved in moving them off this site and who exactly does what.

My guess is that the Councils legal team do all the work and the Councillors keep making phone calls to find out what going on.

Please prove me wrong I don't mind admitting when I am wrong.

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If councillors are doing the job they were elected to do there is no need for an MP to tell the people, they'll already know;)

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Leave them alone, they have to live somewhere - they are wonderful people with a colourful community. What harm do they do??

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Here we go ! Someone out to cause ructions ? :( Haven't we (you) been here before ?

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They may be all of the things that you say they are, but common experience of them, is that where ever they have been they leave a terrible mess behind them(that we the borough tax payers have to fund).......they let their dogs run free, and their teenage children(or certainly those I have been unfortunate enough to come into contact with) are foul mouthed and intimidatory.
They come into your backyard and steal anything that is not tied down.......and they aren't real gypsies, they are tinkers.
I know all that I have said is not PC, but it is time people started telling it like it really is, instead of looking at them through rose tinted glasses.
Just my opinion.

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Post your address then and let them live in your garden.

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Voiceofreason:
Easy all they have to do is the following:

Pay Income Tax
Pay National Insurance
Pay Council Tax
Pay Road Fund Licence
Pay Car Insurance
Pay for MOT's
Stop making a mess of everywhere they park up
Obey the laws of this country

Okay:D

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This must be a tongue-in-cheek comment

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Nah read their previous posts on other subjects!! :rolleyes:

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Think there would have to be a big C change for them to do that BG

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You're right John. Wendy, June and Bernard know more than I do and are dealing with it. I appreciate having three good councillors all working for the area and not having to worry about things.

My own interest is that I live on the street they are camped on!

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someone told me earlier that they could hear dogs fighting up there last night

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Their foul mouthed, intimidatory offspring should have no problem fitting in with the local youth, then!

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They are even more foul mouthed and intimidatory than the local youths....and are giving lessons to them.....not good!

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Well why stick your two penneth in then:rolleyes:

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Like Graham just said John, he lives there, he has every right to stick his two penneth in, as you would if you lived there

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8000/1 Rishton

The last attempted landing resulted in suspicious piles of ash the following morning where caravans had been.

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Perhaps they were the caravans?:D

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Thats no way to treat potential council tax payers Ken:D

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I live there. People knock on my door and expect me to do something about it.

Obvious I thought.

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Funny I thought that was why we have 35 councillors;)

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ere you go John, just for you!

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Looks like Mr Molotov paid them a surprise visit.

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Don't need one of them heth believe me;)

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Was that prior to cocktails at Rishton Towers, Stumped:rolleyes:

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Reckon it was happy hour!

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Happy hour in Rishton Stumped, leave it out :D:D:D:D

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I'm sorry - I just can't stand seeing this any more - "INCOMPETENT" - I'm sure Asimov spelt it properly.

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Well you haven't don't that much looking 25 post in twwo years:tongueoutoh the 2 ws are for you in up yours

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The emphasis of your ignorance is unnecessary!

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yeh n its even more ignorant bitching about someones spelling, serves yeh right.:rolleyes:

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They have now gone council got a court order and moved them on, site left in a right state apparently:(:(

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Glad to see they have gone, I know they have to live somewhere, but dont want it to be near me, at least now we can walk our children to school without feeling intimidated, they hadn't done anything to make us feel like that by the way, so maybe we are typecasting, just glad their gone.

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Thought maybe you had gone wi em grego?:D aint seen yeh around fer awhile, welcome back.;)

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They have not moved far, Bolton Avenue in Huncoat to precise where they are currently wrecking Huncoat's newly reseeded football pitch. Total tax dodging, scrounging scum, something other than just moving them on needs doing, fine the buggers there and then, they are never short a few bob.

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Think its a new game Lindsay, Musical Gypsies:D

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Surround them with Max's cabs then set fire to the lot......:rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D

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Ooh goody party games, lets play "Pin the blame on the P'key !" :eek: :D

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Works for me;)

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What happened to one warning then sieze and crush vehicles driving off road using section 59


59 Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance

(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which-*

(a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and*
(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,*
he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3) Those powers are-*

(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;*
(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;*
(c) power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;*
(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).*
(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless-*

(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and*
(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.*
(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if-*

(a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;*
(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;*
(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or*
(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.*
(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(7) Subsection (3)(c) does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

(9) In this section-*

"driving" has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);*
"motor vehicle" means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and*
"private dwelling house" does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.*

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Seems to me like if someone is annoyed with travellers behaviour and can convince a constable likewise, then it is easy to get them evicted. However, this thread shows prejudice (whether justified or not) against travellers and it is likely the constable has to take this into consideration before taking any action.

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since when was telling it as it is prejudicial?:confused:

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Telling it as it is to you is not telling it as it is to someone else. As there is an established prejudice against travellers, due to many court cases showing this, it is likely the law would require your facts for 'telling it as it is' to be very accurate, not exaggerated and not showing any prejudice of any kind, for them even to consider them. Very hard to do.

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Sorry , Human vermin , pure and simple , seems to me the easy solution is for the Lancashire Police to get their chopper airborne every night at sundown and hover it at low level over every illegal encampment till they move on , may upset local residents for a couple of nights but think it will have the desired effect and peace and quiet will soon return ;)

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Have you ever seen a site where travelling gypsies have left the place as neat and tidy as the day they arrived, it don't happen and ends up costing council tax payers a fortune, always remembering that these people never contribute anything to the places they choose to set down for a stay, or for that matter anything else, tax car insurance etc.

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I think Graham has every right to 'stick his two penn'oth in'.

I heard from a very reliable source that the Travelling Dangleberries knocked on his door, and asked his other half if they could plug their extention into their electricity supply.

Thus allowing them the privilege of providing power to the illegal camp.

I believe the kind offer to provide free electricity was refused.

:D

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Quite a honour really.

Seeing as they didn't know who lived at Graham's house, when they made the offer.

Normally we all have the pleasure of funding their electricity supply, when they wire up a power supply from a nearby lampost.

:rolleyes:

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The prejudice stems from the fact that these travellers steal anything that isn't nailed down(they were cruising down the back alleys in our area last week looking over backyard walls to see if there was anything they could purloin).
They do not pay anything into the community pot, this despite the fact that they never seem to be short of money when they go into local shops for the beer and fags(pulling out wads of notes that would choke a donkey).......the children are feral.
They leave piles of disgusting rubbish when they do vacate a site they have used(often with dirty nappies and such like filth, as well as food waste...encouraging rats of the four legged variety).
This isn't prejudice, it is personal experience.

All these examples I have given, I have seen with my own eyes......now do you want them parked in your area...perhaps you have an area of garden that you could allow them to camp on.

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Travellers: Why a Labour Council has improved the situation in just 5 weeks

Last week after just 10 days, travellers were removed from Arden Hall. For too long, too little has been done to ease this near often blight on the public.

There has been cheap criticism that the swift action was due to my home being nearby which in itself is admission that the previous council are admitting that they did not act swiftly. This was the first traveller encampment of a Labour Council barely 7 weeks old.

It is not just in swift action there had been neglect and it quashing the cheap criticism I would like to congratulate Labour cabinet memnber Clare Pritchard for removal of travellers from Huncaot - within a day.

The travellers had moved from Arden Hall to the Huncoat Playing field. Whilst the Labour Council started serving them with the usual court notice, they also swiftly engaged in consultation with Julian Platt at the Police.

Those discussions have resulted in better joined up working and a improved approach to removing travellers, the police having different powers than the Council and where they can move on illegal encampments within 24 hours (or less). Clearly we could have removed the travellers from Arden Hall within a day and not 10 days.

As a result of a Labour Council's swift action, the travellers were served with a notice last night requiring them to move by 5pm today. Hyndburn is a better place because of the changes in personal at the top.

The police have Section 61 powers which were unknown to the Council and highlight the ineffectiveness of the previous administration. These allow them to serve removal notices where there is:

a) Public concern and community tension arising from the encampment

b) Criminal damage (e.g. driving over a playing field)

c) an encampment that prevents the public use of a public facility (such as a playing field)

This would not apply to, say, a derelict piece of land (since there is no public facility) - but id does apply to many of our recreational fields.

What we have all learned from this episode, is that it is always helpful if the public complain directly, and in numbers, to the police as well as the Council. The police will generally choose not to get involved unless pressed to do so.

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thats good to know, that the police can move em after 24 hrs, so can i ask how long has this been the case? my reason fer asking is that labour have been in control only 7 weeks n have discovered this fact. whereas P.B. n his minions were in control fer donkeys years n didn't.:rolleyes:

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stuck it in google ....

Friends, Families and Travellers | Section 61

have a nosy through that ... all that advice on how to beat evictions ....

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The speed with which they were evicted is because the land is a playing field.
If it were some other unoccupied land then I think it might take a bit longer.
I know that when they were camped on the Aldi Car park it took the Aldi management a few days to get an eviction order, this was because they would move just a couple of their vans off the car park(temporarily)...meaning that there were less than 6 vehicles.
It makes it harder for the authorities to act if there are less than 6 vehicles(or that is what I was told).

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So the travellers keep taking people to court for predjudice ?

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Great to see the council has acted fast!

To clear up what I meant and answer the other comments about my comment:

I was only trying to say that such words as '******' and 'human vermin' are derogatory to travellers and so prejudiced. If you used similar words against Asians they would rightly be deemed racist. Racism and unfair prejudice against ethnic groups etc can never be justified.

No doubt travellers have suffered much unfair or unjustified prejudice over the years so when I mentioned the law or courts, I just meant that the law will not allow anything akin to racism, so if there is a hint of it then, even if the travellers did all kinds of things wrong, travellers could argue they were being unfairly discriminated against. Just how strong a case they had in each individual case, I have no idea. I have not studied law but I know from various interactions with authorities, which i do not want to discuss, that you have to keep everything totally above board at all times or you will get nowhere.

It looks like in these 2 cases, all has been done in the right and proper fashion resulting in success, so long may this continue. Regarding derelict land it may not be so easy. Travellers parked on some derelict land at the corner of Church traffic lights last year. (I think it is 'derelict') It took several weeks to move them on. However, and in answer to Jaysay, they took all their rubbish with them and the place was left clean and tidy. So not all travellers are the same and so much prejudice is unjustified because it is generalised. If there is genuine justification for disliking travellers, as seems to be the case most of the time, I am simply saying that we should not descend to prejudiced or racist language or behaviour, but behave in a respectful adult to adult manner at all times. Certainly not easy when you are on the receiving end of their disrespect, but two wrongs don't make a right.

Official channels are often a waste of time and effort and even more frustrating than the problem being complained about. But G Jones makes a good point that if we complain in numbers then there is more likely to be action taken.

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That's right Margaret, less than 6 vehicles and it becomes more difficult for the police to move them on. We had to go for a court order to move them on from Arden Hall,which obviously takes time. The travellers know the law, but once a court order has been served they usually move on.

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Sorry if this is a daft question but how long does it take to get a court order and why cant it be the same day?

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Thanks for confirming that Bernard.....it was exactly what the manager of Aldi said at the time

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I can't see how saying something that is true can be construed as prejudice.
Prejudice in my book, is when you have no personal experience of a situation, yet make derogatory comments about it.
OK, I agree that racist language does not make for the best discussion.
The bottom line is that many people do not like travellers living close to them because they know that they have a justifiably bad reputation.

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I'm not sure Neil, but in the case of Arden Hall we didn't get the court order until week and half after the travellers first arrived, although we went for a court order almost immediately after they arrived. It could be the courts, and how quickly they move.

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As you say Margaret, "Prejudice in my book, is when you have no personal experience of a situation, yet make derogatory comments about it" and it was that sort of prejudice that I was referring to. How many people on here actually experienced the bad part of those 2 cases? But even if you were on the receiving end, I'm just saying that you must respond in an adult to adult way, rather than a parent to child way like many do - eg "I'm not going to discuss this because you are wrong and I am right and no matter what you say I am right" sort of thing. Alternatively people sometimes react like children - eg "it's not fair, this is where I want to play and they've come and spoiled it. Daddy (council, police) go and give them a good hiding."

The adult way is to do as has been done in these 2 cases. If G Jones or Clare Pritchard had not got involved would anybody else have taken the same steps? As you say "many people do not like travellers living close to them because they know that they have a justifiably bad reputation" but how many would just complain, moan, whinge and use racist language, how many would have a go at the travellers and abuse them, and how many would take the course that was successful?

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To my mind I think it takes around 3 days, which don't include weekends and of course that is if there are over 6 vehicles involved, the annoying thing is they can be moved from one site in Hyndburn only to set up only a few hundred yards away, always remembering that they usually know the law inside out, and how to get round it

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Step one from Joe Public would be to phone the police, where they would be told that it was out of their jurisdiction, it is up to the land owner to get an injunction to get them moved, the only time the police will get involved is if the people (land owners, that being the council or private individual whose land they are encamped on) are having trouble enforcing the injunction, although in most cases the police will be on hand anyway. The other point is these illegal sites do effect everybody because its the council tax payer who has to pick up the tab for cleaning up the mess they always, and I stress always leave behind, which in some cases has run into thousands of pounds, is it any wonder people get upset when this happens time and time again

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Give me an RPG7 or a LAWS and I would have no hesitation about blowing these anus holes off the face of this planet.

Gobbiner, most people in this borough are sick to the teeth of having to bear the results of liberal, do-gooding legislation which gives all rights to criminal and anti-social scum; I in particular do not wish to read your nauseous drivel in defence of so called Travellers. If you like 'em so much, then go and join 'em = providing, of course, you stay well clear of Hyndburn.

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Er...I don't think most of us need a lesson in how to behave in an 'adult way', when discussing travellers.

(Ignoring the fact that this is a bit of an oxymoron. Seeing as there are plenty of childishly immature adults.)

This forum has rules we agree to abide by.

Anything that's deemed to be racist or offensive by the site owner, and his moderators, is removed. Which satisfies this forum's rules, and the law.

;)

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I wasn't lying, Jaysay, or making it up to defend travellers, when I said the travellers left Church traffic lights clean and tidy. I saw it myself. So please think before you stress always because it is obviously an exaggeration. How could you possibly know if it was always? As you say, is it any wonder people get upset when this (exaggeration in this case) happens time and time again?

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I think people who are willing to defend the "travelling" people generally have not had them camped on their doorsteps,it seems also to be the case when you get some do gooder banging on about criminals rights they tend not to live in places where they come across the sort of scum bags that most ordinary folk have to put up with on a day to day basis. Anyway back to the "travellers" they know there are designated sites for them, funded by the tax payer i might add, but they choose to set up camp illegally so in my opinion deserve to be moved on at the earliest opportunity,as non contributing citizens their rights are limited unless they conform to the laws of the land how can they expect to be treated on an equal footing and as jaysay has stated they ALWAYS leave their short term abodes a **** mess.

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I would assume that the land at Church Traffic Lights belongs to someone; did your gypo friends seek permission before they set up camp there? Yes or no?

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Did you search where they were illegally camped with a fine toothed comb?

Did they carefully pack and take away every dog turd?

:rolleyes:

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Well i can say that i went to a1 motor store shortly after they left there and the amount of HUMAN faeces left in and around the planting beds in the car park was disgusting , and i cant see the lads from a1 taking a dump in their own car park can you?:rolleyes: Then again if you dont mind somebody taking a crap in public places on a regular basis invite them to your garden for a get together.

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Gobbiner, people whinge and moan because frequently the travellers leave the place a mess.
I have never known a group of travellers clear up the place where they have been encamped, but you have...so there our, experiences differ.
They seem to drive about in un-taxed vehicles...which usually means they are uninsured too. They are not abiding by the laws which the majority of us have to adhere to.
And whatever communty they foist themselves onto has the unsavoury task of cleaning up their mess and paying for it.
So it isn't any wonder that people get fed up and in those circumstances may resort to language which could be construed as derogatory and racial...this is because it is born out of frustration.

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The reason that the site at Church Traffic Lights was clean and tidy was because the council cleaners went in there immeadiatly after the gypos left.

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There is one thing I can say (and I'm not exaggerating) is that over the last 25 years they have cost council tax payers in Hyndburn hundreds of thousands of pounds to clear up after them, plus a lot of money by private individuals too, I've lost count of the number of times they have ruined football pitches and other council land, whiteash playing fields being a prime example

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No, you're wrong.

It wasn't our council who cleared up the mess.

We have an eye-witness.

I wonder where they eventually got rid of their rubbish, when they so thoughtfully took it all away?

:rolleyes:

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Lets have the time line:

a) Exactly what time did the gypos leave the site?

b) Exactly what time did our do-gooding chum Gobbiner inspect the site?

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Which in the past has included an Accy Web member who happily slagged off The Travelling Dangleberries, who leave their crud behind, when they've been moved on from their illegal sites, who happens to be Romani.

Admittedly this was before we had new members who lecture us in political correctness.

:rolleyes:

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All of a sudden I am being accused of lying and defending the travellers, so I'll reply to you Margaret because you are presenting your views in an inoffensive way and don't appear to be having a go at me.

You and others make lots of good points of why there is so much frustration and justified prejudice against travellers. I am not defending travellers at all, except at the point where it becomes racism. In the end you just cannot generalise about all travellers - it becomes racism when you do.

No I did not go and seek out every turd, Garinda, but did you or walkinman? If so was it really any worse than the dog turds everywhere that causes most people in this country to walk with their heads down all the time? But if they did leave turds that I did not see, then it was just as bad and I withdraw my defence of this one bunch of travellers regarding leaving the place clean and tidy.

Those who accuse me of nauseous drivel or being a do-gooder etc should just look at what you have written and see the disrespect in it. You have your minds made up about travellers and will not budge. Fair enough but G Jones and Clare Pritchard took positive and successful action and I can bet that they also try to remain impartial at all times, even if inside they feel the same as you. So don't accuse me of what I am not. Instead realise that I would like to see the back of law-breaking travellers and all criminal elements just as much if not more than you do. But that does not include expressing anger, hatred, racism or unfair prejudice in public.

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I can't speak for all the sites in Hyndburn that travellers have been on in last few years, but on Arden Hall I can say there was a fair bit of tidying up to be done after they left. As soon as they left the Council cleaned up the site. We've also put some big boulders down in attempt to discourage anyone who might be thinking of setting up camp on there in the future.

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Nothing to do with race ,creed , or religion dirty scumbags are dirty scumbags regardless of their race or anything else , and i disagree with your point of view gobbiner if you see that as having a go at you thats up to you . I assure you its not personal.And as for the turds i didnt need to go searching for them as it was prevalent in the area and not hard to spot, it was everywhere.:(:(

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Gobbiner, I am definitely not having a go at you. I respect the opinions of other posters, even when they do not agree with my own.
Discussions do get heated when people feel very strongly about a subject, it is important to accept that the internet is not a particularly good vehicle for getting the nuances across, and that sometimes posts will appear to be aggressive.

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More politically correct garbage.

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics...bravo-7466.gif

(Don't forget to take it with you when you leave.)


Care to share with the rest of us, exactly what race of people 'travellers' belong to?

Rest assured, the folks on here would have exactly the same reaction, after witnessing the mess left behind, whether the illegal campers had been Irish tinkers, on their way to a Making Money Without Paying Income Tax conference at Appleby, or middle class, tree hugging Trustafarians, off to some cruddy festival.

Looking forward to being educated as to what race of people 'travellers' belong to.

:rolleyes:

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You really are a pathetic piece of intellectually challenged garbage, Gobbiner.

I have yet to see any gypos in this country of Afro-Carribbean, Asian sub-continent, Eskimo or Chinese origin; every single one I have seen have been white, ethnic European. So what the hell has this got to do with race? Answer - if you can't work it out - is nowt. It has everthing to do with lifestyle, which is optional. If the option you take is to go on the road, evade taxes, desecrate local enviroments and indulge in various forms of thievery then don't be surprised if most people want to keep you out of their neighbourhood and out of their town.

So get real, Gobbiner.

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Grow up, and smell the clay baked hedgehog.

Seeing as you urge us all to be adult.

Even for those residents fortunate enough not to have the mess left on their doorsteps, every council tax payer in Hyndburn will be footing the bills for cleaning up the mess.

Not an enjoyable prospect for most residents, when we are in the process of having savage cuts imposed on local services, and amenities.

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Hmmm clay baked hedgehog:yumyum:

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I must relearn that lesson about never post when drunk! They say it's your real self coming out and I admit I hate prejudice and I always try to be fair.

All the politically correct stuff (not mine, but in general)? Well a lot of it is correct but a lot of it is far beyond common sense. It is crazy that laws protect the criminal but do nowt to help the victims. Where did it all go wrong? Yes, I suppose do-gooders went too far. But without do-gooders there'd be a lot good missing from the world, so slagging of people trying to do good and trying to be fair will not solve anything.

Racism? Perhaps these travellers were not gypsies. So by all means pull my exact wording apart. However, the travellers lifestyle is threatened, so councils by law have to provide permanent sites for them. When there are no vacant sites then they park where they like. Wrong I know, but did this failure of the system come about in the first place because travellers were unfairly prejudiced against, or did the travellers bring it on themselves. Probably a bit of both. But whatever the answer, it is a fact that travellers lifestyles are threatened and they have decided to go down their particular path of disrespect for the law and non-travellers. So they are a distinct group and therefore the law protects them against discrimination, whether it is actually 'racism' or unfair prejudice, as I call it.

Tealeaf, you can be racist against any person no matter what colour their skin is. Read up on racism as you appear not to know the first thing about it.

OK, lecture over, what next garinda?