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wallop79 23-07-2011 16:30

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The CPS have decided not to press charges against Peter Flanagan who stabbed to death one of the machete wielding burglars who broke into his home last month, what a nightmare this must have been for him, its about time you can protect yourself in your own home without fear of being arrested and/or prosecuted for fighting back against these lowlife

cashman 23-07-2011 20:56

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thing is though wallop,he was arrested,only now have the C.P.S. decided no charges. i agree completely wi the findings, but he should never have been held in the first place.;)

steeljack 23-07-2011 22:42

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wonder if his DNA and fingerprints have been kept on file :eek: ;)

cashman 23-07-2011 22:46

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 920883)
wonder if his DNA and fingerprints have been kept on file :eek: ;)

If i was putting money on it- sure as hell.

Mancie 23-07-2011 23:46

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 920872)
thing is though wallop,he was arrested,only now have the C.P.S. decided no charges. i agree completely wi the findings, but he should never have been held in the first place.;)

The bloke was arrested because he told the police he had stabbed the man.. arrest and questioning has to be the right procedure.. nobody wants to end up with situations were a person can simply use the excuse that someone is in thier home and so they have the right to kill them.. I'ts not as clear cut as this sometimes.

gynn 24-07-2011 03:21

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 920888)
I'ts not as clear cut as this sometimes.

You are right, Mancie. If someone finds a burglar in their house, then of course they should be able to deal with it in whatever way is deemed necessary (including assault and even killing) if that is shown to be a reasonable response to the situation.

But what about the situation where the burglar holds up his hands and makes it clear he will leave the house peacefully without further ado. Are we saying the householder has carte blanche to treat the burglar as he likes, including killing him in cold blood, because he knows the law will exonerate him?

I don't think so!

Neil 24-07-2011 03:32

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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 920902)
But what about the situation where the burglar holds up his hands and makes it clear he will leave the house peacefully without further ado. Are we saying the householder has carte blanche to treat the burglar as he likes, including killing him in cold blood, because he knows the law will exonerate him?

Sounds fair enough to me, he should not be there. There is no justice handed out by the courts unless you think a few hours community service is good enough.

cashman 24-07-2011 07:10

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 920888)
The bloke was arrested because he told the police he had stabbed the man.. arrest and questioning has to be the right procedure.. nobody wants to end up with situations were a person can simply use the excuse that someone is in thier home and so they have the right to kill them.. I'ts not as clear cut as this sometimes.

Rubbish if someone armed,breaks into my house, all rules go out the window,as far as i'm concerned, perhaps you n gynn should join the Human Rights movement.:rolleyes:

odders 24-07-2011 07:59

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 920907)
Rubbish if someone armed,breaks into my house, all rules go out the window,as far as i'm concerned.

Definitely...If someone appears on my property without my say so, or with criminal intentions, well it is up to me, how I want to remove them. It is all about the situation, and I have no fear of inflicting justice:uzi:

Boeing Guy 24-07-2011 08:26

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While I don't agree with guns, there is a fair point to be made. If somebody breaks into my home, I will defend it with whatever I can grab.
If you invade somebody's home, you should lose all rights.
But of course thanks to the bleeding hearts and The European Human Rights, a intruder has more than me.
Beggars belief really, glad to see Mr Flanagan has no case to answer to.

jaysay 24-07-2011 09:14

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 920904)
Sounds fair enough to me, he should not be there. There is no justice handed out by the courts unless you think a few hours community service is good enough.

Seems like a good idea to me, if anybody breaks into somebodies home then all bets are off, they shouldn't have been there in the first place

DaveinGermany 24-07-2011 13:26

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Damn sure the thought of a possible prosecution wouldn't stop me from doing what I thought needed doing if some armed scumbag lowlife violated the sanctity of my home or threatened my family.

As to calling Plod, yeah right ! When I'd finished ..... probably !

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2011 13:10

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I wonder if justice will prevail in this case?

BBC News - Shopkeeper held over fatal stabbing at Old Trafford florist

cashman 27-07-2011 14:24

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 921661)
I wonder if justice will prevail in this case?

BBC News - Shopkeeper held over fatal stabbing at Old Trafford florist

well if the gun found belonged to the robbers i should damn well hope so.;)

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2011 14:43

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A few more details here which, IF accurate, may well lead us to our own conclusions...

Pictured: 72-year-old shopkeeper arrested over stabbing to death of armed raider at Old Trafford florist | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

walkinman221 27-07-2011 16:47

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These two scumbags went into a shop ARMED with guns,and came off second best thats their hard luck .And to compound it all the guy they tried to rob was seventy two serves them right in my opinion , picked on the wrong mon this time.

jaysay 27-07-2011 17:48

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 921692)
These two scumbags went into a shop ARMED with guns,and came off second best thats their hard luck .And to compound it all the guy they tried to rob was seventy two serves them right in my opinion , picked on the wrong mon this time.

Pity he only managed to get one of the scumbags:mad:

walkinman221 27-07-2011 18:08

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 921704)
Pity he only managed to get one of the scumbags:mad:

Spot on john, its about time people of this country were able to stand up to the scumbags without fear of retribution from the law which is supposed to protect the law abiding amongst us, but seems to be favouring the criminals.Its also about time the do-gooders woke up and smelt the coffee.

Alan Varrechia 27-07-2011 18:23

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Mmmm. Trial by forum. Who needs all the evidence eh.
Of all the shops in the world to rob, they pick a florist.
Albeit a florist owned by a jamaican. Mmmmm, wonder if they were after money or something herbal.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2011 18:57

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921717)
Mmmm. Trial by forum. Who needs all the evidence eh.
Of all the shops in the world to rob, they pick a florist.
Albeit a florist owned by a jamaican. Mmmmm, wonder if they were after money or something herbal.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

...and, of course, you're not jumping to any conclusions. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Alan Varrechia 27-07-2011 19:18

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Just saying till all the evidence is known there are two sides to the story. ;)

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2011 19:41

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921735)
Just saying till all the evidence is known there are two sides to the story. ;)

Well, you're the one speculating that drugs could be involved because he's black. A tad stereotypical, don't you think?

cashman 27-07-2011 19:48

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921717)
Mmmm. Trial by forum. Who needs all the evidence eh.
Of all the shops in the world to rob, they pick a florist.
Albeit a florist owned by a jamaican. Mmmmm, wonder if they were after money or something herbal.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bit of a stupid comment, if it was summat like you imply, that would be ok to you? robbers in someones property, get real.:rolleyes:

Alan Varrechia 27-07-2011 19:53

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No Cashy, just think we're getting a bit close to vigilanty justice.

cashman 27-07-2011 19:58

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921748)
No Cashy, just think we're getting a bit close to vigilanty justice.

Nowt to do wi that, the law is slowly moving towards commonsense in these incidents n its people showing if or not they think it should.;) my own view is simple, any swine enters my house illegally, then i sure hope they can deal wi me, or i would have a similar charge.

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2011 20:07

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921748)
No Cashy, just think we're getting a bit close to vigilanty justice.

Vigilante justice? So you reckon a posse of Accywebbers are going to git the varmits and hang 'em high, then?

What can be deduced is that a number of men attempted to rob this guy's shop. Now, you're speculating that he might have had "something herbal" there (after all, he is one of those coloured chappies - no telling what they might get up to :eek:), but even if he did, they were still attempting to break into someone's property and they deserved whatever they got.

Alan Varrechia 27-07-2011 21:37

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Nothing to do with him being a coloured chappy. Maybe i'm crediting the varmints with to much sense. Armed robbers= bank, Armed robbers= jewelers. armed robbers off licence, maybe. Armed robbers = florists, just don't sound right.
Just sayin isall.
If were going to jump to conclusions pick any you want. Me i'll wait and see what the outcome of the police enquiry is.
Oh and Cashy there are lots of people who can't defend themselves, i'm for harsher punishments, give them proper sentences. And if there isn't enough prison space build more prisons.:(:D

cashman 27-07-2011 21:43

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please highlight any conclusion i have jumped too?:confused:

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2011 21:51

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921768)
Nothing to do with him being a coloured chappy.

Funny how nobody had even mentioned him being Jamaican until you brought it up and then in classic "Daily Mail" reader fashion, linked it to "something herbal".

Why did they raid a florists instead of a jewellers? Maybe the gang were all Irish - after all, they're all thick, aren't they? :rolleyes:

Alan Varrechia 27-07-2011 21:58

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The bbc news said he was jamaican. Maybe they were Irish, maybe from hyndburn i don't know. I'll wait and see the outcome.
To be honest i don't care either way. I'm more concerned that our rubbish bin was nicked this morning. ( no guns in the street though). :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2011 22:09

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921775)
The bbc news said he was jamaican. Maybe they were Irish, maybe from hyndburn i don't know. I'll wait and see the outcome.
To be honest i don't care either way. I'm more concerned that our rubbish bin was nicked this morning. ( no guns in the street though). :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

I meant nobody on this thread had said he was Jamaican. And if you "don't care either way" there wasn't much point posting on this thread in the first place, was there? :rolleyes:








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cashman 27-07-2011 22:12

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921775)
To be honest i don't care either way. I'm more concerned that our rubbish bin was nicked this morning. ( no guns in the street though). :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

Garbage yeh cared enough to assume vigilante justice, n could be summat herbal. there aint any get out of jail free cards on here.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Michael1954 27-07-2011 22:20

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I bought a bar of Bournville Old Jamaica today and have scoffed the lot. Delicious!

Alan Varrechia 27-07-2011 22:26

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 921780)
Garbage yeh cared enough to assume vigilante justice, n could be summat herbal. there aint any get out of jail free cards on here.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Thats what i mean, there should be no get out of jail put this tag on and do 40 hours community service. These people just laugh at the justice system. It should not be down to individuals defending their own property these scum should be scared of what would happen if they get caught.

cashman 27-07-2011 23:01

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 921784)
Thats what i mean, there should be no get out of jail put this tag on and do 40 hours community service. These people just laugh at the justice system. It should not be down to individuals defending their own property these scum should be scared of what would happen if they get caught.

that we can agree on, should never have done away wi P.D. imho.

Alan Varrechia 27-07-2011 23:12

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There will always be those that rob and murder etc. But harsher sentences would stop a lot of what goes on.
aA lot of them have no respect for the police the justice system not even their parents, they want an easy life, seem to think it's owd em most of the time. And while the punishemt no longer fits the crime they will keep on doing what they do. Don't for one minute think there is a quick fix, but something needs to be done. :eek:

jaysay 28-07-2011 08:56

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 921774)
Funny how nobody had even mentioned him being Jamaican until you brought it up and then in classic "Daily Mail" reader fashion, linked it to "something herbal".

Why did they raid a florists instead of a jewellers? Maybe the gang were all Irish - after all, they're all thick, aren't they? :rolleyes:

To be quite honest Wyn I didn't know he was of West Indian origin until i read it on here, oh and by the way, the chap may have been arrested, but he's still in hospital suffering from injuries he sustained during the attack;)

DaveinGermany 28-07-2011 19:01

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On the German news today A German pensioner 77 (and Hunter)was attacked & had his house robbed by 5 youths/thugs in December last year, as they were running off he shot one & killed him. The Judges have dropped the case against him & said he was acting in self defence. 3 others (druggies) have been sent to a prison re-hab & a girl who was also involved was given a year in nick & a €2000 fine.

Eric 29-07-2011 15:07

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 921963)
On the German news today A German pensioner 77 (and Hunter)was attacked & had his house robbed by 5 youths/thugs in December last year, as they were running off he shot one & killed him. The Judges have dropped the case against him & said he was acting in self defence. 3 others (druggies) have been sent to a prison re-hab & a girl who was also involved was given a year in nick & a €2000 fine.


The pensioner got it right. In situations like the one he faced, shoot and worry about the consequences later. It is always better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

jaysay 30-07-2011 15:08

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Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: Robber caught after impailing his crown jewels on a fence

Just had to smile when I read this, spiked his crown jewels then gets 20 months in the slammer for his pains, ah poor sod:D

Wynonie Harris 07-09-2011 11:15

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Good to see that justice has prevailed in this case.

Shopkeeper, 72, will not face charges over florist raid death - Telegraph

cashman 07-09-2011 13:36

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 931822)
Good to see that justice has prevailed in this case.

Shopkeeper, 72, will not face charges over florist raid death - Telegraph

Splendid to see the line the C.P.S. are taking on this issue, just hope the plod have sense to take it onboard n not even arrest folk in the first place.

jaysay 07-09-2011 17:57

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 931856)
Splendid to see the line the C.P.S. are taking on this issue, just hope the plod have sense to take it onboard n not even arrest folk in the first place.

You know its the gestapos sworn duty to arrest small children and doddering old men cashy, how else would they justify their existence

accyman 11-09-2011 16:29

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 921963)
On the German news today A German pensioner 77 (and Hunter)was attacked & had his house robbed by 5 youths/thugs in December last year, as they were running off he shot one & killed him. The Judges have dropped the case against him & said he was acting in self defence. 3 others (druggies) have been sent to a prison re-hab & a girl who was also involved was given a year in nick & a €2000 fine.

yet when a farmer in England shot a thief that had repeatedly targeted him running away he got put in prison.

It shouldn't matter if they are running away or not they shouldn't have been there in the first place


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