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Margaret Pilkington 10-08-2011 07:24

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 925031)
I have already suggested this......quite a while ago...or it might be in the other thread about rioting.

Post 227 in the other thread.........return to the eighties. The London riots.

Pudwoppa 10-08-2011 12:57

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Originally Posted by dusty mears (Post 924979)
i say tear gas & water cannon with indelible ink. Any one inked has alot of explaining. Then put the nominals in an outside holding pen & beast them til the judicial system can process them - bit of a wait then. As for pm - he mite be talkin the talk but is he gonna back it up? Doubt it. Maggie love her or hate her had balls & meant what she said !

Maybe step up the ink idea and shoot them with poisoned darts. Absolutely win-win. If they turn up begging for the (stockpiled) cure arrest them. If not, then we've thinned the numbers out a little.

wallop79 10-08-2011 13:20

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Originally Posted by Pudwoppa (Post 925109)
Maybe step up the ink idea and shoot them with poisoned darts. Absolutely win-win. If they turn up begging for the (stockpiled) cure arrest them. If not, then we've thinned the numbers out a little.

Bloody fine idea ;)

DaveinGermany 10-08-2011 16:56

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 924968)
The only question that needs to be asked is

How many boxes of baton rounds have we got & can we get some CS rounds too ? ;)

Boeing Guy 10-08-2011 17:54

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Not the nine o'clock news had this idea:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

SoulManic 10-08-2011 18:04

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Well it seems like the bleeding heart brigade are full of the usual excuses for the rioters. Do-gooders and psycologists dream up some wonderful justifications for what has happened - deprivation, immigration, unemployment, etc. In reality there is only one cause of the selfish mental state of these rioters - a lack of corporal discipline in their upbringing. Labour's parenting policy under the guise of European Human Rights was the start of this and has effectively removed the very core of discipline within the family unit. They also actively and financially encouraged the breakdown of the traditional family unit by inventing the term 'single mother'. Unless that mother is a widow then her children have a father (or fathers in many cases). That loss of a father figure together with human rights dogma are the basic cause of undisciplined children. Also, laws created by do-gooders to prevent child abuse have made it a criminal act for teachers, community elders and the police to administer basic corporal discipline to unruly and foul-mouthed children and youths. We now have an entire generation of ferral youths who have no concept of respect for their elders or property. In my day "a clout 'round the ear'ole" never did anyone any harm but certainly made them take notice. It's too late now to teach these yobs respect so just do away with them and send a strong message to the next generation.

steeljack 10-08-2011 18:14

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Originally Posted by SoulManic (Post 925189)
Labour's parenting policy under the guise of European Human Rights was the start of this and has effectively removed the very core of discipline within the family unit. They also actively and financially encouraged the breakdown of the traditional family unit by inventing the term 'single mother'. Unless that mother is a widow then her children have a father (or fathers in many cases). .

Be interesting to see how long it takes for a local Labour politictian to come come out and refute Soulmanic's theory . :eek: :eek:

not holding my breath ;)

garinda 10-08-2011 18:39

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 925193)
Be interesting to see how long it takes for a local Labour politictian to come come out and refute Soulmanic's theory . :eek: :eek:

not holding my breath ;)

I think the fault is your's.

All you flower power numpties, and your peace and love.

You grew up to govern the world, in a wimpy arsed liberal way.

;)

heth 10-08-2011 19:03

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I voted yes to shooting em, what a waste of spaces they all are.
I have not been able to go out of the house as I am ill at the min and I am disgusted when I have watched the programmes and news.

Shoot em all wi rubber bullets in thier arms and let em suffer.
Who ther hell do they think they are?
Also PM should be doing more, bet they are all laughing at him because they know at the minute no-one can touch em while they carry on looting.

Wynonie Harris 10-08-2011 19:19

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 925193)
Be interesting to see how long it takes for a local Labour politictian to come come out and refute Soulmanic's theory . :eek: :eek:

not holding my breath ;)

You can't really expect them to - they're all far too busy with local issues. ;)

gynn 10-08-2011 21:44

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Of all the disturbing images of the riots, the one that affected me most was the sight of a young lad with a pool of blood being cared for by youths who then proceeded to mug him from his bag on his back. It was a sickening sight.

It was gratifying to hear that the police have identified at least one of his muggers, and the lad was on TV tonight with a smile on his face and recovering in hospital. He is a Malaysian student and the Malaysian embassy are looking after him.

lancsdave 10-08-2011 21:48

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Originally Posted by SoulManic (Post 925189)
They also actively and financially encouraged the breakdown of the traditional family unit by inventing the term 'single mother'. Unless that mother is a widow then her children have a father (or fathers in many cases). That loss of a father figure together with human rights dogma are the basic cause of undisciplined children.

What a load of rubbish. Many of those kids probably have their fathers living with them. Many parents these days are terrible role models, doesn't matter if they are together or apart.

Tealeaf 10-08-2011 21:56

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If nowt else, some of this lot we've seen on our TV screens the last few nights provide the argument for comulsory abortion.

US Angel 10-08-2011 22:38

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924833)
Or perhaps ship 'em, and drop 'em off at South Georgia, with a few sheets of canvas to build shelters, to protect themselves from the south Atlantic winter.

Find another place I live in South Georgia, near Savannah,

cashman 10-08-2011 22:40

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been a pretty quiet night,by all accounts, whats the betting when the extra police sod off, the lunatics will again take oer? they will have already seen some of todays "Tough Punishments":rolleyes: decide to change there mobiles, trainers,etc n return fer new uns.:(

shillelagh 10-08-2011 22:59

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im watching bbc news at the min .. and they just had a woman guest on ... she says that the rioters dont know that what they were doing was wrong .... if thats the case then why are they not doing that every day when they go out ...

US Angel 10-08-2011 23:07

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 925296)
im watching bbc news at the min .. and they just had a woman guest on ... she says that the rioters dont know that what they were doing was wrong .... if thats the case then why are they not doing that every day when they go out ...

Thats sounds like a bunch of BS
Please dont send me to jail I didnt know what I was doing YEAH RIGHT

cmonstanley 10-08-2011 23:14

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oh no its reached scotland Rioters strike in Edinburgh 10th August 2011 - YouTube

garinda 11-08-2011 00:26

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 925298)

Don't be silly.

That's not a riot.

That's the Scottish entry at the Edinbugh Fringe.

;)

garinda 11-08-2011 00:29

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Originally Posted by US Angel (Post 925291)
Find another place I live in South Georgia, near Savannah,

I was thinking more towards the South Pole, than near your beautiful city.

:D

steeljack 11-08-2011 01:20

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 925302)
I was thinking more towards the South Pole, than near your beautiful city.

:D

And here was me, another 'dumb' uneducated Yank import thinking you meant the idyllic place on western end of the Black sea ...understand Tibilisi is nice this time of year

:rofl38: :rofl38::rofl38:

thread wander ...something kind of odd, that the Georgia wiki page there is no mention that it's most famous son is uncle Joe (Stalin) :confused:

garinda 11-08-2011 07:16

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 925303)
And here was me, another 'dumb' uneducated Yank import thinking you meant the idyllic place on western end of the Black sea ...understand Tibilisi is nice this time of year

:rofl38: :rofl38::rofl38:

thread wander ...something kind of odd, that the Georgia wiki page there is no mention that it's most famous son is uncle Joe (Stalin) :confused:

Most here had never heard much about South Georgia, until the Falkland War that is.

It would make a fine place to start shipping convicts to.

Punishment, and a nature lesson.

The lesson mainly being it's cold down there.

South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


:D

Wynonie Harris 11-08-2011 07:54

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Don't usually go in for linking to newspaper pieces, C'mon-style, but I thought this one from that subversive pinko rag The Daily Telegraph was quite thought-provoking.

Immigrants love this country more than we do - Telegraph

Are immigrants standing up for traditional values in this country more than we are?

jaysay 11-08-2011 08:50

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 925308)
Don't usually go in for linking to newspaper pieces, C'mon-style, but I thought this one from that subversive pinko rag The Daily Telegraph was quite thought-provoking.

Immigrants love this country more than we do - Telegraph

Are immigrants standing up for traditional values in this country more than we are?

Maybe because they see it as their very own cash cow:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 11-08-2011 09:13

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 925320)
Maybe because they see it as their very own cash cow:rolleyes:

Yeah, I know, all immigrants are lazy, benefit-claiming scroungers, unlike our fine, upstanding British born workers. Seen plenty of them round our way industriously smashing windows and stuggling with heavy loads.

jaysay 11-08-2011 09:23

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 925329)
Yeah, I know, all immigrants are lazy, benefit-claiming scroungers, unlike our fine, upstanding British born workers. Seen plenty of them round our way industriously smashing windows and stuggling with heavy loads.

Which ones:confused: Maybe we have to many indigenous people who are prepared to run down there own country no mater what Wyn

Wynonie Harris 11-08-2011 09:41

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 925334)
Which ones:confused: Maybe we have to many indigenous people who are prepared to run down there own country no mater what Wyn

Plenty of indigenous people ready to run their own country down and also plenty ready to bleed their own country dry as we've seen recently. Obviously, plenty of immigrants ready to do the same too, but if you read the article, perhaps there are some immigrants who are ready to protect what they've worked for and who hold dear the values that many Britons have forgotten - strong community, family ties, looking after their old folk etc.

jaysay 11-08-2011 09:44

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 925341)
Plenty of indigenous people ready to run their own country down and also plenty ready to bleed their own country dry as we've seen recently. Obviously, plenty of immigrants ready to do the same too, but if you read the article, perhaps there are some immigrants who are ready to protect what they've worked for and who hold dear the values that many Britons have forgotten - strong community, family ties, looking after their old folk etc.

I don't think strong family ties has ever been in question amongst the ethnic communities in this country, you don't see too many elderly Asians in homes for the elderly in this neck of the woods

Wynonie Harris 11-08-2011 10:12

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 925342)
I don't think strong family ties has ever been in question amongst the ethnic communities in this country, you don't see too many elderly Asians in homes for the elderly in this neck of the woods

All I was getting at really, Jay, is that immigrants are almost always talked about on here in terms of being a problem and perhaps there are times when they can be seen in positive light.

Oi! Bernard, Claytonender, Graham, get on here and back me up! I'm doing your leftwing liberal job for you here! ;)

jaysay 11-08-2011 10:20

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 925355)
All I was getting at really, Jay, is that immigrants are almost always talked about on here in terms of being a problem and perhaps there are times when they can be seen in positive light.

Oi! Bernard, Claytonender, Graham, get on here and back me up! I'm doing your leftwing liberal job for you here! ;)

Shooosh Harriats doing their job for um:D

Tealeaf 11-08-2011 10:40

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I guess that some of you lot will by now have seen the clip of the elderly Afro-Caribbean lady, Mrs Pauline Pearce, standing up to the looters in the East End on monday evening. A fine example of someone caring about the community they live in.

I wonder if she is in any way related to the Pauline Pearce from Hackney who got sent down for 6 years in 1994 for smuggling crack-cocaine into the UK?

SoulManic 11-08-2011 10:44

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 925296)
im watching bbc news at the min .. and they just had a woman guest on ... she says that the rioters dont know that what they were doing was wrong .... if thats the case then why are they not doing that every day when they go out ...

Even in my day there were youths who were "wrong 'uns" but they knew they were doing wrong and understood the consequences. These recent rioters may or may not know that what they are doing is wrong but the difference now is that they just don't care. Apparently they don't seem to have a conscience - the one thing which was supposed to distinguish humans from the rest of the animal world. Also they know that woolly-headed judges won't hand out real punishment so they have nothing to fear from authority.

garinda 11-08-2011 14:10

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 925370)
I guess that some of you lot will by now have seen the clip of the elderly Afro-Caribbean lady, Mrs Pauline Pearce, standing up to the looters in the East End on monday evening. A fine example of someone caring about the community they live in.

I wonder if she is in any way related to the Pauline Pearce from Hackney who got sent down for 6 years in 1994 for smuggling crack-cocaine into the UK?

Smuggled cocaine, in her crack?

Now 'heroine'.

Cameron will have her in the House of Lords by autumn.

Stumped 11-08-2011 19:22

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924973)
Many find the work or starve dilema fairly inspiring.

How's about a dose of good old fashioned Naval discipline: strap them to a lamp post and deal them 50-lashes with the cat-o-nine-tails.

Neil 11-08-2011 19:23

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 925494)
How's about a dose of good old fashioned Naval discipline: strap them to a lamp post and deal them 50-lashes with the cat-o-nine-tails.

Do Navy ships have lamp posts?

garinda 11-08-2011 19:39

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 925495)
Do Navy ships have lamp posts?

If you're at sea, the mast makes a good stand in.

:D

garinda 11-08-2011 19:41

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 925500)
If you're at sea, the mast makes a good stand in.

:D


Though if you're a sailor, looking for a good time, seeing what's hanging about underneath a lampost will be a better bet.

;)

Miaowzinzara 11-08-2011 21:06

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Shoot them all... let god sort them out!!

Stumped 11-08-2011 21:07

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 925495)
Do Navy ships have lamp posts?

Not many ships left, so substitute lamp posts for the mainbrace.

Mancie 11-08-2011 21:31

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 925502)
Though if you're a sailor, looking for a good time, seeing what's hanging about underneath a lampost will be a better bet.

;)

George Formby used to do alot of that by all accounts.:)

garinda 11-08-2011 22:20

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 925568)
George Formby used to do alot of that by all accounts.:)

Soliciting, or kerb crawling?

Should have stuck to being a peeping Tom, when he was on the windows.

MargaretR 12-08-2011 11:12

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In his youth Davy boy wasn't the upright pillar of society he'd like you to think he was.

The irony of David Cameron's riot condemnation - War Room - Salon.com

steeljack 12-08-2011 16:52

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 925725)
In his youth Davy boy wasn't the upright pillar of society he'd like you to think he was.

The irony of David Cameron's riot condemnation - War Room - Salon.com

Wonder if Hull University had a similar club for their "young conservatives" :eek: :eek:

SoulManic 12-08-2011 19:31

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 925606)
Soliciting, or kerb crawling?

Should have stuck to being a peeping Tom, when he was on the windows.

Damn you lot. I can't get that tune "When I'm Cleaning Windows" out of my head now. And yes, I'm old enough to remember George.

garinda 12-08-2011 19:38

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Originally Posted by SoulManic (Post 925892)
I'm old enough to remember George.

Please tell Beryl his wife, Accrington says hello.

:D

jaysay 13-08-2011 08:47

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Originally Posted by SoulManic (Post 925892)
Damn you lot. I can't get that tune "When I'm Cleaning Windows" out of my head now. And yes, I'm old enough to remember George.

Oh so your a member of the "old gits" section on here then Soulmanic:D

SoulManic 13-08-2011 10:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 926070)
Oh so your a member of the "old gits" section on here then Soulmanic:D

I guess so, and grumpy with it. What is sad is that I remember better days. I know there was less technology and luxuries but society in general was less selfish and more respectful. Sigh......!

mobertol 13-08-2011 13:46

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Originally Posted by SoulManic (Post 926110)
I guess so, and grumpy with it. What is sad is that I remember better days. I know there was less technology and luxuries but society in general was less selfish and more respectful. Sigh......!

How right you are! Perhaps we all need a bit less technology and to get back in touch with nature -it is a great healer after all...:hippy:

Mancie 14-08-2011 01:16

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Ok we seem to have a massive majority in favour of shooting looters.. one thing that strikes me is that the majority of these looters are the young but then again I suppose that is so so as far as this type of criminal behavoir goes.. and so what happens now?
There are over 1 million 16-20 yrs old unemployed and 99% of those took no part in any riots.. if you take into account those in higher education it's getting on to well over a million.
There is no excuse for these riots/looting and burning but were do we go from here?
It's all well to bang up the small proportion of those who did cause this chaos but what about those teenagers who had nothing to do with this and even clean the street for nothing?.. will this government try to create jobs for them?.. It don't not seem to be on the agenda and so nothing has changed in this mess.. this government have no intention of or even an agenda to make any effort in creating jobs in this country.. none at all.

steeljack 14-08-2011 01:31

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 926222)
this government have no intention of or even an agenda to make any effort in creating jobs in this country.. none at all.

Think the social experiment of Govt. being responsible for creating jobs was shown to have failed miserably with the collapse of the Berlin wall ., unless of course you are suggesting something akin to Pol Pots 'jobs/re-education for all system' , but I think the Human Rights folks maybe a tad upset with that one ;) :D :D

Mancie 14-08-2011 01:41

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 926228)
Think the social experiment of Govt. being responsible for creating jobs was shown to have failed miserably with the collapse of the Berlin wall ., unless of course you are suggesting something akin to Pol Pots 'jobs/re-education for all system' , but I think the Human Rights folks maybe a tad upset with that one ;) :D :D

No.. this is not about some sort total shift from left or right nothing to do with whatever humam rights in any nation .. it's about a policey of attempting to create employment in your own nation.. call it protectionism or whatever.. I'm saying the government in this country have only one agenda and that is cuts..it's all to focused on sacking people.. there is no plan to even attempt to create employment and Osbourne has said it.

steeljack 14-08-2011 01:57

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 926230)
No.. this is not about some sort total shift from left or right and definatley noting to do with whatever huam rights in any nation .. it's about a policey of attempting to create employment in your own nation.. call it protectionism or whatever.. I'm saying the government in this country have only one agenda and that is cuts..it's all to focused on sacking people.. there is no plan to even attempt to create employment and Osbourne has said it.

Totally understand what your saying , but as long as Govt.s of every political stripe insist on free trade working class jobs are gone, so maybe its for the best to stop them breeding ......whats the trade imbalance between the UK and China .... they buy expensive technology and the UK spends millions of £s on cheap tatty mass produced gee-gaws .
Question ... how come a bunch of Indian chicken farmers can afford to buy/own Blackburn Rovers ......are there no succesful British chicken farmers , are Indian chickens fatter (more value for money) than British chickens, I'm thinking there has to be something about a better work ethic in that. ;) :D

ask yourself ....why is it when you go into the local supermarket in January you can buy fresh cut flowers ....... most grown in the tropics where we are led to believe folks are dying of starvation .....somethings wrong when good agricultural land is used for growing sodding flowers while folks are starving ... rant over ;)

MargaretR 14-08-2011 09:23

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At post #78 I showed you an extract from the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.
We now know that Davey boy wanted to bring in the Army and only the opposition of the acting police commissioner stopped him.

That was a close shave.
We were very near to having Martial Law declared.:eek:

Before you shout any more 'bring in the army' you really ought to consider how Martial Law will affect YOU

garinda 14-08-2011 09:32

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926282)
Before you shout any more 'bring in the army' you really ought to consider how Martial Law will affect YOU

It would mean I would have to refrain from breaking the laws of the land, or face the consequences.

It would also mean I wouldn't be living in fear of mobs of wild criminal gangs, who were roaming our streets, hell bent on causing fear, and destruction.

;)

garinda 14-08-2011 09:35

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 926288)
It would mean I would have to refrain from breaking the laws of the land, or face the consequences.

It would also mean I wouldn't be living in fear of mobs of wild criminal gangs, who were roaming our streets, hell bent on causing fear, and destruction.

;)

I watched a few videos of rioting and looting last night, which was filmed at the end of the street I lived at in south London for many years.

:mad:

MargaretR 14-08-2011 09:46

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I wonder whether you would glady consent to
... your property being confiscated without compensation in order to house the military.
... being confined by a curfew
... being compelled to relocate
... being told you must work and being told who to work for

Martial Law is legalised slavery

Less 14-08-2011 09:57

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926299)
I wonder whether you would glady consent to
... your property being confiscated without compensation in order to house the military.
... being confined by a curfew
... being compelled to relocate
... being told you must work and being told who to work for

Martial Law is legalised slavery

All of the above would surely apply only if you have done or are suspected of doing something wrong surely?

However,

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926299)
... being compelled to relocate
... being told you must work and being told who to work for

Can already be applied to people that need to sign on for Job Seekers as I am finding out for myself.

Tealeaf 14-08-2011 10:00

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This is a lovely little read from our friends across the water. It sums up the UK almost perfectly:

The New Britannia - Mark Steyn - National Review Online

garinda 14-08-2011 10:02

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926299)
I wonder whether you would glady consent to
... your property being confiscated without compensation in order to house the military.
... being confined by a curfew
... being compelled to relocate
... being told you must work and being told who to work for

Martial Law is legalised slavery

I've already stated, as a law abiding citizen, it holds less fear than mob rule by feral gangs.

You recently felt your own safety was undermined by the removal of a door lock.

I fear all decent peoples' safety would be comprimised by the disappearance of the laws we currently live under, and which helps us function as a society.

A world where no locks were a deterrent to stopping people ransacking your home, and no police, or fire service to call on, if you were attacked.

That sounds a much more fearful reality, than some paranoid 1984 fantasy.

garinda 14-08-2011 10:20

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 837425)
I hope the police are taking note.

As a stated anarchist, if the powers that be sometime in the future need to control Margaret, they don't need to go to the expense of employing Taser guns, or Mace.

One quick squirt with a pound shop air freshner and she'll come quietly.

:D

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ers-54413.html

:rolleyes::D

garinda 14-08-2011 10:29

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 730996)
Democracy is 'dead in the water'.
There are increasing indications that national politics are decided at Bilderburg group meetings where both parties are told what to do, so whichever way you vote the outcome is the same.

Anarchy anyone?:D

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...t-48488-3.html

I wouldn't have thought an anarchist would have created such a fuss about the removal of a door lock, or indeed, where folks let their dogs crap.

:rolleyes:

Perhaps some folks aren't quite as anarchic as they claim, when it comes to their own little piece of the world.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

MargaretR 14-08-2011 10:29

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Full marks for crass insensitivity.
May I suggest that you seek employment as a cocktail waiter.:rolleyes:

garinda 14-08-2011 10:32

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926330)
Full marks for crass insensitivity.
May I suggest that you seek employment as a cocktail waiter.:rolleyes:

Report me to the police for crassness.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...dMpDvd8S-4LmPT

;)

garinda 14-08-2011 10:37

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926330)
Full marks for crass insensitivity.
May I suggest that you seek employment as a cocktail waiter.:rolleyes:

There are no petty bourgeois rules of morality to follow in your anarchist Utopia.

Anything goes.

Get used to it.

:flamethro

garinda 14-08-2011 10:39

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926330)
Full marks for crass insensitivity.
May I suggest that you seek employment as a cocktail waiter.:rolleyes:

Happily.

Though only because the post of village idiot's been taken.

;)

garinda 14-08-2011 10:47

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http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...lR9nR5po45jnKw

Sadly could find a bull's arse.

:rolleyes:

derekgas 14-08-2011 10:47

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Our silly government took their time to authorise water cannon and rubber bullets, which have been used in Ireland for years, what is the message there? Its ok to use them on the Irish, but not the English?
There really would be no need to actually shoot anybody, they should have issued a statement declaring that anybody caught rioting/looting a second night WOULD be shot, and that would have been an end to the rioting and looting.

garinda 14-08-2011 11:14

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926330)
May I suggest that you seek employment as a cocktail waiter.:rolleyes:

No need.

Just had some great news.

I've just found out that I've secured the job of chief tambourine shaker, with the local Band of Hope-ful Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists' band.

Result!

See you at the next meeting.

:)

jaysay 14-08-2011 11:18

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 926357)
No need.

Just had some great news.

I've just found out that I've secured the job of chief tambourine shaker, with the local Band of Hope-ful Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists' band.

Result!

See you at the next meeting.

:)

Its a sad day Garinda has fallen:dflam:

garinda 14-08-2011 11:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 926360)
Its a sad day Garinda has fallen:dflam:

Keep the faith, just don't believe the hype.

;):D

jaysay 14-08-2011 11:30

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 926365)
Keep the faith, just don't believe the hype.

;):D

Phewwwwwwwwww:D

MargaretR 14-08-2011 11:52

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I am not going to be drawn into a slanging match.
I sympathise with your Parkinsons disabilities but you clearly chose to mock my Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, hence my cocktail waiter reference.

Less 14-08-2011 12:00

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926385)
I am not going to be drawn it a slanging match.
I sympathise with your Parkinsons disabilities but you clearly chose to mock my Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, hence my cocktail waiter reference.

You have my sympathy Mags, how he could single out your Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, is beyond me :idunno:, compared with the multitude of other items he could have chosen. ;)

Still, it gladdens my heart that there is something in life you are sensitive to.:)

garinda 14-08-2011 12:50

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926385)
I am not going to be drawn into a slanging match.

Good.

You'd lose.

Heartening to see at least a little wisdom.

:rolleyes:

garinda 14-08-2011 14:09

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 926387)
You have my sympathy Mags, how he could single out your Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, is beyond me :idunno:, compared with the multitude of other items he could have.

Bored, I was amusing myself the other night by reading one of those conspiracy theory sites.

A woman on one of them posted that the symptoms of her Multiple Chemical Sensitivity were greatly alleviated after a simple course of action.

She gave up puffing away on the fags all day long.

Now freed from this terrible affliction, she now tours the globe as a sales woman for Yankee Candles.

Less 14-08-2011 14:18

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 926434)
Bored, I was amusing myself the other night by reading one of those conspiracy theory sites.

A woman on one of them posted that the symptoms of her Multiple Chemical Sensitivity were greatly alleviated after a simple course of action.

She gave up puffing away on the fags all day long.

Now freed from this terrible affliction, she now tours the globe as a sales woman for Yankee Candles.

Can't allow ones beliefs and allergies to get in the way of making a bob or two now can we?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Jk_uWvSdX0l_J6http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...KMYZU5DaLPCDCQhttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...zMSoAAyc9aSIhQ

MargaretR 14-08-2011 15:26

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R I P Francesca Senna
Teenage girl suffering from allergies may have been killed by brushing her teeth with Aquafresh | Mail Online

Forgive them - they speak from ignorance

Less 14-08-2011 15:33

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926460)

A bit harsh that mags!

I know the mail may have a few extreme views but, surely they wouldn't lie about aquafresh?

garinda 14-08-2011 16:01

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926460)



Should that not read Forgive them Father?

You really do have the same hilarious sanctimonious blind faith as the newly converted holy rollers.

I used to read much of what you posted with a wry smile on my face.

Now it's more of a pitying grimace.

If the blind lead the blind, then both shall fall into a ditch.

Keep the Faith.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...xwR4N86FJ7t_zQ

garinda 14-08-2011 16:06

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If anyone hears reports of flying dog turds, whizzing over the Heys playing fields, don't worry.

That'll be Ma Rindy, out for revenge, after reading some of the crap posted in this thread.

;)

Stumped 14-08-2011 17:32

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 926230)
No.. this is not about some sort total shift from left or right nothing to do with whatever humam rights in any nation .. it's about a policey of attempting to create employment in your own nation.. call it protectionism or whatever.. I'm saying the government in this country have only one agenda and that is cuts..it's all to focused on sacking people.. there is no plan to even attempt to create employment and Osbourne has said it.

Fair point, Mancie. But where can we start with job creating? Successive administrations have destroyed the railways, textiles, engineering and mining for starters. Now they are intent on dessimating the military and the police. More than half our utilities are foreign owned and the country is vastly over-populated. This leaves us with a glut of service-based industries for which not everyone is cut out. I despair for the decent kids of this country who are deserving of much better than that which is currently on offer. Our future depends on them, so let's get behind them and come up with some answers before it's too late.

jaysay 14-08-2011 17:53

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 926535)
Fair point, Mancie. But where can we start with job creating? Successive administrations have destroyed the railways, textiles, engineering and mining for starters. Now they are intent on decimating the military and the police. More than half our utilities are foreign owned and the country is vastly over-populated. This leaves us with a glut of service-based industries for which not everyone is cut out. I despair for the decent kids of this country who are deserving of much better than that which is currently on offer. Our future depends on them, so let's get behind them and come up with some answers before it's too late.

A lot of what you say is quite true Stumped, but what happened when we had thriving Car Industry and Ship Building industry, back in the sixties what happened, they were on strike at the behest of their communist Union Leaders, and when the customer couldn't get the product what did they do, they stuck two fingers up to Britain and invested in other countries, its go good continually blaming governments

Eric 14-08-2011 17:57

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Job creation should be the major focus of any western govt. right now. A consumer economy is based on people having the cash to buy stuff. A well-paid working class is essential. Not everyone is cut out for the white collar route. And someone who earns his money flipping burgers at Rotten Ronnie's is not going to be much of a consumer. Traditionally conservative economic thinking is based on a model which sees tax cuts and other economic concessions to the private sector that will lead to companies expanding and creating jobs. Bs. The reality is that nominally British corporations, and the Americans too, especially the Americans, ship jobs overseas to take advantage of low wages, low taxes, and, unfortunately for the poor sods in the factories, horrendous working conditions ... Nike anyone:rolleyes: Anyone found a call center lately that isn't in India.:confused: Yet the tories continue to wave the banner of cuts (that was a stupid image; what the hell, I'll leave it in) ... eventually Cameron will stand on the steps of No. 10 and announce that folks will have to be responsible for their own policing; however, ammunition will be tax-deductible. Oh, and he will suggest that people stock up on fire extinguishers, and he will announce a government initiative to inform everyone of web sites which will help people when they have to give themselves an apendectomy, or a lung transplant. Oh ... and he won't cut corporate taxes anymore; they are already at zero.

Come to think of it that sounds like a platform for the Tea Party, or the Wild Rose Party.

Has it occured to anyone that the Germans are so economically strong because, in Germany, they still make stuff.:eek:

Eric 14-08-2011 18:05

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Wildrose Party of Alberta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry about that folks .... you're such a nice bunch of guys that I forgot for a moment you aren't Canadian;):D So, that's the Wild Rose Party; our own scaled-down version of the Tea Party.:)

Stumped 14-08-2011 18:08

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 926550)
A lot of what you say is quite true Stumped, but what happened when we had thriving Car Industry and Ship Building industry, back in the sixties what happened, they were on strike at the behest of their communist Union Leaders, and when the customer couldn't get the product what did they do, they stuck two fingers up to Britain and invested in other countries, its go good continually blaming governments

Tell me about it. Just proves that no matter who is in power, there will always be those intent upon wrecking the status-quo.

jaysay 14-08-2011 18:12

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 926568)
Tell me about it. Just proves that no matter who is in power, there will always be those intent upon wrecking the status-quo.

Ya wasn't it big hearted arfur who tried to bring down the government in 1983 and failed, the only person to come out of that fiasco with anything was the man himself, which has been well documented on here before

garinda 14-08-2011 18:16

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 926569)
Ya wasn't it big hearted arfur who tried to bring down the government in 1983 and failed, the only person to come out of that fiasco with anything was the man himself, which has been well documented on here before

I blame Wat Tyler.

jaysay 14-08-2011 18:19

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 926575)
I blame Wat Tyler.

Wat:rolleyes:

mobertol 14-08-2011 22:06

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 926282)
At post #78 I showed you an extract from the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.
We now know that Davey boy wanted to bring in the Army and only the opposition of the acting police commissioner stopped him.

That was a close shave.
We were very near to having Martial Law declared.:eek:

Before you shout any more 'bring in the army' you really ought to consider how Martial Law will affect YOU

Perhaps we wouldn' be allowed to express our thoughts/witicisms on Accyweb any more ...................shame, i would miss you all...............

gynn 15-08-2011 10:26

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No mercy should be shown to the rioters, the arsonists the looters. Throw the book at them, send them to jail, and chuck away the key.

One thing occurs to me. How many of the looters did it because they could? Law and Order had broken down, and there was nobody there to stop them. They nipped into the shop and took a plasma tv away.

Now explain to me why that makes them different from an MP who claimed for duck islands, paid off mortgages or second homes that didn't exist? The system had broken down so they nipped in and looted the expenses pot.

That's what makes what they did so deplorable, yet some of the culprits are still in Parliament condemning the looters. They set the standards that others have followed.

garinda 15-08-2011 10:45

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I agree to a point.

Although the greed of a majority of M.P.'s created real anger, they didn't terrorise people, or cause injury and death.

I think all the recent rioters and looters did it because collectively they have no respect, and there's no fear of what punishment may arise if they're caught.

Like the politicans it comes down to greed, and they thought they'd get away with it.

Stumped 15-08-2011 18:06

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We are now in the hands of the namby-pamby magistrates and judges who are can always be relied upon to give the benefit of the doubt- no matter what the offence. News bulletins have already shown offenders released on bail whose response was to laugh and stick up two fingers at the rest of us. So much for coming down hard on the rioters!

Alan Varrechia 15-08-2011 21:39

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Just a theoretical thought :rolleyes: If their benifits are stoped and they are thrown out of their homes perhaps they will become t1nkers and move to Hyndburn.......:D:D:D:D

garinda 15-08-2011 22:34

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 926866)
Just a theoretical thought :rolleyes: If their benifits are stoped and they are thrown out of their homes perhaps they will become t1nkers and move to Hyndburn.......:D:D:D:D

Well thanks to the welcoming number of pitches provided by the council, compared to every other borough in the country, we did score highly as a choice destination in the Tinkers' Easy Pickings guidebook.

cashman 15-08-2011 22:43

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they will
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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 926866)
Just a theoretical thought :rolleyes: If their benifits are stoped and they are thrown out of their homes perhaps they will become t1nkers and move to Hyndburn.......:D:D:D:D

thing is if they chuck em outa their homes, they aint gonna disappear, they will have to re-house em somewhere? does that just move the problem of these louts somewhere else? looks that way to me, Cameron just seems to be saying what many want to hear, he has "NO Idea" n aint fit to be leading any party.IMHO.

garinda 15-08-2011 22:49

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 926899)
they willthing is if they chuck em outa their homes, they aint gonna disappear, they will have to re-house em somewhere? does that just move the problem of these louts somewhere else? looks that way to me, Cameron just seems to be saying what many want to hear, he has "NO Idea" n aint fit to be leading any party.IMHO.


Agreed.

Seems mad to evict familes, even if they are scum, because they'll soon be rehoused elsewhere, which all has a cost. Though to the public at large, not to them.

Easy to talk tough on crime.

Unsurprisingly reality's a somewhat different case, sadly.

Alan Varrechia 15-08-2011 23:27

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Closing the stable door after the horse has done one springs to mind.
He don't appear to be good at fooling any of the people, any of the time. Oh except dyed in the wool blue tinted spec wearing idiots. :D:D:D:D

Tealeaf 17-08-2011 10:27

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Two clowns from Cheshire have been banged up for a couple of years for trying to organise and incite local riots and looting on facebook. Personally, I would have stuck a '1' in front of their sentence years. However, one of 'em has already decided to appeal (no doubt using legal aid) and already the do-gooding 'roaches are crawling out of the woodwork to shout about excessive penalties.

These people - politicians like Livingstone, the human rights brigade, so-called community leaders - are just as bad if not worse than the scum who were directly involved in looting and mayhem. Of course, none of 'em were cowering in fear of petrol bombs coming through their front windows or their small business's being destroyed.

Naturally, we cannot post on here what we'd really like to do with the looters and their pinko, liberal botty-wiping defenders but personally I hope that I don't meet one of 'em down the pub tonight because otherwise I might get stuck inside for a few years.

cashman 17-08-2011 10:31

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whilst this ****** has decided to appeal, i'm optimistic that he will lose n get n increased sentence. n the appeal court says "Pay Fer That":D

cashman 17-08-2011 10:38

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Whist they have Fast tracked the court appearances fer these louts, i suggest they delay any appeals fer em, say fer about 18 months, then they cant get out in far less than that fer good behaviour! that will sure as hell save legal aid costs i reckon.;)


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