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It would seem that the chickens are coming home to roost, a 25 year old woman in croydon has been in court for receiving 4 plasma TVs, camcorder, headphones etc, worth around £2000, she has a job as a carer and a child. She pleaded not guilty, then begged the court to grant her bail, because she could lose her job her home and her child may be taken off her and placed in care, she was reused bail, life's a bitch ain't it

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only in some cases, another was in court to be told- yeh been in custody 2 days, so thats enough n was released.:mad:

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Despite all the tough talking from Cameron, some of the scum are back on the streets, ready to cause more mayhem for law-abiding citizens.

UK riots: young yobs back on streets despite David Cameron's pledge - Telegraph

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That tough talks only fer the cameras, yeh didn't expect owt else did yeh? remember this is owd "Hug A Hoodie"

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Don't expect owt from him, don't expect owt from Miliband, don't expect owt from the Accyweb politicos who have been conspicuous by their absence from all the recent riot threads on here. :rolleyes:

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Thing is, one young lout got a 9 month referall, which is a new un on me.:confused: what the hell is a "Referall":confused:

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Not a terrible lot Cameron can do about it really its the law lords who are responsible for sentencing, its the system that wants changing, bringing laws up to the 21st century, we are still using laws set down in the dark ages

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Obviously Ken Moss can't blame Britcliffe;)

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Oh can Cameron not propose changing the Law?:rolleyes: at least if he made them sorta noises twould give him a bit of credibility.

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If it's laws from the middle ages, then how come they're not in stocks or being flogged. Come to think of it you would probably have been hung then for stealing a loaf!!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D

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It's a supervision order,A bit like probation.:confused:

I think.:)

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oh well if thats the case..........some deterrant.:mad:

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Cameron should be looking at a massive overhaul of the criminal justice system in this country.

But no chance of that, as the Minister for Justice - that fat, pompous, blustering, useless bag of wind known as Ken Clarke - says that there's no need to change sentencing policy.

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Jaysay fergets that fact n just makes excuses, a bit like mancie n cmon do wi labour.:rolleyes::dflam:

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It is very easy to talk the talk...harder to walk the walk.What is that proverb again....'Fair words butter no parsnips'.......quit yakking and get with the program.

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Maybe some of the directives come from Brussels and the Human Rights brigade.

I am sure that I heard that some magistrates courts are referring cases to crown court so that they can be dealt with more appropriately.......magistrates are very limited in the senteces thay can hand down.

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Let me see does that translate into talking cheap Margaret:rolleyes:

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yup!

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Well to a point I think your right especially about Ken Clarke, but I think that's a trait which overtakes a lot of so called elder statesmen who quite frankly should call it a day

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Didn't Cameron promise to get rid of the Human Rights Act in this country and replace it with a British Bill of Rights?

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I think you had one reply. I assume everyone else has obtained or sold stolen or illegal goods.
I wonder how many will have stolen music, movies, software, chipped xboxs/wii/playstation/DSi's with illegal games on them in their homes?

Maybe more people do think its down to the level of theft that matters. £1 from granny or £1000 worth of stolen games/software.

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I have voted 'no' but by no means would they be absolved.

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So murder is ok then?

So everyone who has ever commited a crime is a criminal for life? And you can 100% say you have NEVER done anything wrong.:rolleyes:

See above. But IIRC you in the good old days loved to drink, never got into any fights, always the perfect saint.

I have proved I have my own opinion and if it goes against the grain I will not change it.

Completely differnt story all together, as for the Opening post, didnt go in to te details of the alleged offence the child had done, look at my example.

Any justification for this comment.:mad:

You have no right to say anything about my children, if you want to get personal PM me.:mad::mad::mad:

No all the do gooders have never done anything wrong at all.

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Nope none of those either...although I have downloaded music I have paid for on disc to my MP3 player......not realising it was not legal. I reckoned if I had paid for the disc I could transfer it to my device to play it.

I did buy a Kindle and the seller sent me a lot of books on disc...many of which are in the public domain...but some of the others may not be kosher(but I would not have known this if Mick hadn't recommended an article in a computer magazine). I also once came home with a tube of KY jelly(used) in my pocket(don't ask) and a roll of surgical tape...but I took them back in my clean uniform pocket the following shift.

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Maybe you should make a thread about this? The only way to do these things, is to be sat at home. Not owt on the streets trashing the place. ;)

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I thought about a thread but I doubt people would admit it after what they posted on this one.

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Ignorance of the law is no excuse :p:D

Lots of people do that, I read the government were thinking about changing the law so you could do that. Not sure if it will happen.

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A few hundred years ago they brought in Transportation for stealing a loaf of bread -perhaps it could be revived as a remedy for many evils.....can't think of a suitable destination though -any suggestions? (preferably somewhere with no electricity so they can't use their ill-gotten x-boxes etc....)

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If its transportation to Oz still then I just stole a loaf of bread :D

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I know that ignorance of the law is no defence...I have admitted my 'crime'........it does not make me change my views of the subject of the thread.
I'm away off now to take all that illegal music off my MP3 player!

I will be able to put it all back again when the copyright law changes.....until then I guess I will have to lug around one of those ugle disc players.....I do have one................ somewhere!

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could smash currys window and steal a laptop,login to an unsecure network and download illigal software,games or music.

just saying its possible like lol :D

if it dosnt have a charge hook into a near by lamp post and steal its electric supply :)

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if you use youtube there's a high probability you have watched unlawful material it just hasnt been reported as such so remains on the site but once reported it gets removed ;)

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The only Youtube I watch is what is posted on here...I'm not a big fan of Youtube....or films......the music I like, I usually buy on CD, but have recently bought MP3 tracks from amazon...to make my own playlist.......I would assume that this is legal.(unless any of you know different)

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I hope that this scenario never presents itself to me, as I am/will bring my baby up to know right from wrong & to respect other people and their property, but if the situation did arise then yes I would march him down to the police station. If his is stupid enough to commit a crime then he will face the penalty of the law, those that say they wouldn't shop their own kids are as worse as they are, you are condoning what they have done by covering for them and not reporting the crime they have committed.

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what a stupid comment i certainly do realise that if my child was a criminal, it would have to take resposibility n live wi the consequences of its actions simple as. not hide behind his parents, thats a fine thing to learn any kid.:(

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"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread";)

And, by the way, it should be "hanged" ... If you are discussing "hung", go to the over 18s section, where I'm not allowed to visit.:D

By the way, did you hear the joke about the plastic surgeon who hung himself.;)

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Who killed you and made you a Saint?

We are all guilty of 'sins', but not all of us are deliberate sinners.

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You shouldn't have answered a question about your children then, if you didn't want members to comment on what you said.

The question relates to what's right and wrong, and if you'd report your children if they'd broken the law.

Your attitude reflects badly on our society, and explains why scum are allowed to do what they do.

1:5

I never said I'd (use the pea-shooter to) shoot-to-kill.

Do try and be factual.

Especially about what I've posted.

I fear it's a bit of an uneven match.

But do try.

Without trolling through old posts, aren't a pit bull type dog fancier?

Figures.

Trolled after all.

As I thought.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ild-27283.html

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Exactly.

You've already failed to bring up a child who wasn't a criminal.

Now your aiding them to avoid criminal justice.

Isn't that a crime too?

Sort of makes some horrible sense.

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Haha , Margaret, when my daughter worked on Gyni ... she did come home at times with condoms in her uniform pocket. Took them back next day, unused,of course :D

As to the question ... can't make my mind up on this one at all.
Would definitely have to be in that postition before I made a decision.

Also, each case and child is different. If I had thought, either of my children had been straying in the past, and any discipline I metered out had been ineffective, then I probably would, however, if they (as far as I was aware), had never been involved in any criminal activity before, then I would try and deal with it myself. Again, I think. :confused:

Will have to decline to answer on this one.

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N yeh keep telling me yer not a fence sitter.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I'd just like to point out this is a theoretical question.

Since there have been no reported riots, and looting in Hyndburn.

We can therefore assume every parent in this area has done a sterling job raising their childen.

Some people have expressed an opinion, which I happen to disagree with.

It's just differing of points of view.

Wrong versus right.

Them being wrong.

:D

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When have I said that ? Am always doing U-turns when I read other people's opinions (watch Garinda google ..LOL).

I just don't find this question black or white that's all, and can see areas of grey.

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as the question refers to the looting/mayhem etc that has just occured please tell me,what area of that behaviour aint black n white?:confused:

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Thought I had already explained that Cashy, not repeating myself.
The act is criminal ... of course ! The question is not.

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everyone agrees its criminal kate, but the thread question was about the recent riots, the question i asked yeh is "Whats not black n white" about the behaviour of those yobs? yeh should go into politics cos yeh aint answered it.:D

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I have answered it, dearest Cashy, it is a criminal act of which I feel disgust like everyone else. Again though ... this was not the question... :p:D

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Got kids Garinda, Didnt think so.

"Id shoot them", Happen you should be more presice and even with a pea shooter it can be classed as assault.

Can I now say I wouldnt shop them in I would take them to the shop they stolen the goods from retrun the goods and let them deside if to press charges or not after all they are the injured party.

As for my love/like/preference of dog breed whats that got to do with it.

Ps, you didnt answer my pervious question, What gives you the right to say my childrens future looks a bit messy.

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:rolleyes:

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Ah so you'd take your kids back to the shop with the swag, now you didn't say that did you, in-fact you ARE shopping your own offspring ;)

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You stated.

"I'd Suggest your child's future looks a bit messy anyway".

I see this comment as a personal attack not a "reasoned discussion".

:rolleyes:

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He probably came to that conclusion after reading some of the drivel you post on here.:rolleyes::D

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You earlier said, and I quote...

'Wouldnt want to mess any future chances for my child by them possibly having a criminal conviction.'

You answered a theoretical question. Since you're not presumably the parent of one of the recent rioters.

I replied, again theoretically, because you haven't actually protected your offspring from the laws of justice.

I do think sheilding children, from the reality that when we do something wrong it's likely we'll face punishment, is a very bad lesson for a parent to teach a child.

In my opinion it will lead to their lives, and morals, being a mess.

By the way, the theoretical child you raised would be a criminal, if they'd been rioting, and looting.

Regardless as to whether you helped them evade the justice of the land.

;)

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Cheat.

Cheat the law, cheat the system, cheat everyone you can son.

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That's more likely due to lack of knowledge, and understanding of what's actually been written.

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I think it's called face-saving.

If not backtracking.

So as to avoid the wrath of the majority of decent people in society.

Some of whom might even label such people as scum, if they protect those who cause fear and terror as they riot and loot.

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No might about it G

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Done that as well Kate...think it was an occupational hazard.:D

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I guess it's lucky you didn't work in the prosphetics department.

You wouldn't have had a leg to stand on, besides the false one, if you said it just slipped your mind that you'd taken away hospital property from the premises.

:rolleyes::D

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thing is tho ... would you shop your child with the chance of losing your home ... thats what the parents of the kids who were rioting are facing ....

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come on , all that will happen they will be re-housed in a civilized areas where they learn good behaviour by following the example set by their nice new neighbours who leave their houses empty every day while they are out at work .... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Would your child shop you?
Children aged eight enlisted as council snoopers - Telegraph

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Yes, if they've been shown good parental guidance.

If you're a lout, who's done something that should be reported, doubtful.

:rolleyes:

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Jen an eviction notice has been served, but it will be up to the county court to decide whether the eviction will go ahead.

I think this action sends out a very strong message, but whether it is the right thing to do...well, I'm not sure. It could be seen as inflammatory.

And surely the council will have to find somwhere for them to live...especially if they have very young children.

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And there you have it !

As stated above, it sounds good. "Call me Dave" being a man of action, firm, swift & decisive retribution on the defilers of decency, appealing to the populace in word at least by threatening strong action to be taken against the deadbeats & no-marks, but in reality ..... ?

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Looks like ive tried & failed, as this young thug caused a riot in my living room the other day, please help do I phone the police or not, as when I told him off all he did was blow a raspberry at me, and make his escape on a fire engine, chav in the making ??!!

:D:D:D

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Get the water pistol out.

Shoot him!

:D

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Good idea, then again he'd probably just stand and laugh in defiance, but i'll give it a go tomorrow !
:D:D

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If the water pistol doesn't do the trick, tell him they now sell water cannons in toy shops.

:D

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Thats a good un ! im still chuckling at it :D

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Just tell him behave or tealeaf is coming.:D:D

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Um think they call that social engineering SJ, It don't work mate believe me:mad:

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Told him & he's shaking in his tiny shoe's now! :D

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Sensible lad, Tealeaf won't go to hell cos the devils Frit.:D

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I'm not sure if I can add anything that hasn't already been said. Nevertheless, reading through the posts I'm reminded that parents like Margaret P are sadly a dying breed. PC has gone so overboard nowadays parents are afraid to discipline their children. Likewise with School teachers who are hard pressed to control the behaviour in the classroom because the children know how easy it is to get a teacher suspended for exercising the mearest hint of authority.

Those who suggested the fault lays with the parents are absolutely correct. I have advocated for some time, when children are prosecuted for criminal damage or the like, their parents or guardians should be in the dock with them, receiving their share of the punishment. But the law is an absolute ASS. Why is it illegal to leave children under the age of 12 or 14 alone in the relative safety of their own home, but it is perfectly legal for children of this age and younger to roam the streets in pursuit of whatever excitement they can find, and at all hours of the night, at the expense of Joe Public?

By the time my children reached school age I only had to look at them in a certain way whilst calling their name and they immediately knew they were doing something they shouldn't be and stopped. And that attitude wasn't achieved through violence but through persistent and patient explanation. Something that is sadly lacking with many parents.

I'm sure we shouldn't overlook the mass hype that was generated on location. I'm sure there were those normally law abiding youths that simply got caught up in the frenzy of it all. Youngsters with promising careers in football and modelling as examples. And our children need to be forewarned about hanging around when such hysterical chaos breaks out. Like an avalanche it can bury our innocent youths so quickly in its wake. Take a look at the hooligan behaviour at football matches.

But there is something inherantly evil when a big youth approaches a poor individual who has already been assaulted, bleeding from the mouth, in the pretense they were concerned for him, when all the time they were pilfering from the victim's backpack. Where does such evil come from? :mad:

Would I shop my children? There's really no question about it, I absolutely would because like it or not, if you fail to report anyone, family or friend, who you know has broken the law, you become an accessary after the fact and are liable to prosecution.

The biggest frustration is the courts have absolutely no idea on making the punishment fit the crime. As the sister of the gentleman who died from his injuries after trying to protect his property said, it is so sad that these youths have no other interest in life to occupy them. Sadly, I suspect quite strongly that this is only a glimpse into what we can expect more of on our streets in the future :( It leaves me very sad.

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Hey, I had one of these once:eek: It's now a metallurgist, and Associate Professor in the Department of Applied Science at the University of Saskatchewan:D

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He must has learnt it all from you, as I dont think many of us could spell Saskatchewan correctly! Its good to know that your son has done very well for himself, and undoubtedly made you/your family very proud. Im sure my son will do me proud all in good time :)

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The folks in Saskatchewan would be upset to learn that people have trouble spelling the name of their home:D ... I bet there are all kinds of people in Saskatoon, where my son lives, who would have trouble spelling "Oswaldtwistle", let alone "Knuzden";):D:D

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Oh, and I've no doubt that the rug rat will do you proud; after all, it looks like he's getting off to a good start;):D

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having read through this again and lets be honest you have slagged me and my family off when you know nothing about anything we/I do.. yes.. you can take this as a threat..no need for any mobs and by all acounts you've been told before to calm down when it comes to personal insults..

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Care to post any evidence, where I did what you claim?

(To save you time, there isn't any.)

;)

I've slated your attitude, after you answered a theoretical question. Nothing else.

Odd how those few who wouldn't help bring their offspring to justice, get all angry and defensive, over what they see are personal attacks....because they don't actually look at what's been written.

:rolleyes:

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has the bbc been reading accyweb ...:D:D:D

BBC News - England riots: Would you shop your child to the police?

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No poll?

We could have compared local and national scum percentages.

:rolleyes:

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I sent um the link:D:D

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Why did you send the link to the BBC?

Have you put the Mail on your ignore list?
:)

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What 'accounts'?

Do you mean by the other numpty in this thread, who's unable to understand what's actually been written, and fails to see that posts relate to a theoretical question?

If so, twice.

If the two numpties ignored, no I haven't.

I look forward to actual proof that this is incorrect, when you submit your 'accounts' for us to check.

:rolleyes:

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In a heartbeat

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No Less, just the NOTW :D

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T'other poll on the looting is reading 80% in favour of shooting the scum on sight; this poll is reading 85% in favour of shopping their miscreant offspring.

I wonder, therefore, how many would be prepared to pull the trigger on their own brats if they walked through the door and said 'Hey Mum.....I've got you a new telly'?

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Count me out -i voted No to Shooting them and Yes to Shopping them.....

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I would shoot em for yeh, always happy to help.:D;)

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Good to see you doing your bit for the big society cashy:D:D

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Nice bit of work.. make a compilation of posts you like the look of.. to be honest I don't have the time or skills to do the same.. but I'm not so thick that I don't know the difference between a personal insult (which I'd mark down as no bother) and comments you have made on my parenting and my family... take the tat out of me all you like and I might take it one way or t'uther... but even question the morals my family.

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I re-quoted a post earlier on something about 1979 because I was waiting for the usuall vitriol from some posters that would have been along the lines of "you left wing pinky ******" and such :)
There is an overwelming vote on here that says "Yes" some have said "no" and most have given there reasons for the way they feel.. but only two of those who voted no have had to endure accusations of being bad parents and very close to being called scum by one member...how come only two have had to take the stick?.. maybe it's the mob rule Garinda seems so keen on..
I say this in the open forum that the recent riots and lootings are the most depressing things I have ever seen in this country and to have people taking the high ground in an attempt to bully some by accusing them of parenting yobs and scum will not get us anywhere.. and it is a dead cert it won't get them anywhere with me.

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Mancie, I remember you once posted that you had a wife. Besides that I don't know, nor quite honestly care, about your personal circumstances.

I presume you don't have children who are rioters and looters.

Therefore you answered a theoretical question.

An answer myself, and judging by the results of the poll, the majority of people here seem to disagree with.

Again, trying to make it very clear, so even you understand.

No one knows anything about your personal life, so no one has insulted anyones' children.

Perhaps if you read what's actually been written more carefully, hopefully you'll be less likey to jump up and down, claiming your family has been 'dissed'.

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Well I ain't a clue what Mancie has written, but like you I know nout about his family circumstance nor do I want to really, the only thing I can stand is people who are apologist for this low life, whether its there family or not

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That's pretty clear ....you state I am without morals and I take that as not only a personal insult but an insult to my family and my "kids"...you seem think you can bandy about with thin insults and get one over some people who you like to cause a ruck with and then later try to retract the insults you make..... I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but I know a wind up ****** when I see one

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'If' you done what you posted you do, which you haven't, that would be bad parenting, in my opinion.

I neither know nor care about your personal circumstances.

The majority of people on here also believe what you say you'd do is wrong.

Your inability to see this, and your pathetic aggression is doing you no favours, in showing us what you are like.

Perhaps it might be wise to go and sleep it off.

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Yes .. so why don't you go and have a pop at the all the minority that don't take your view?.. like I say you pick and choose those you are comfortable in picking a ruck with but you just can't bring yourself to upset some.. coward.

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It couldn't be any clearer, to those with the ability to read what's actually been said.

The majority of people disagree with those who voted they wouldn't help bring their children to justice, by reporting them.

Since presumably those who voted they wouldn't report their offspring, haven't actually done this, it's all theoretical.

Again, so it's patently obvious, I think those that voted no are wrong to do so, and it reflects very badly on the society we now live in.