Re: Ed Miliband
 

Yep..a cunning plan.. I wonder if Baldrick is up for it.:rolleyes:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Well, when the Labour leadership contest was going on I don't think any of the members of the Labour Party who are members on here supported Ed Miliband, think the support was for big brother Dave, but the Unions wanted a left wing puppet and that's what they got

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Thought he was

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Perhaps Diane Abbott should be given a chance...........at least we know what she's all about!!:rolleyes:

Best Regards - Taggy

Re: Ed Miliband
 

She's certainly shown her true colours.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Yup.

BBC News - MP Diane Abbott 'sorry' over Twitter race comments

More idiocy, from New Labour.

Still, racism's not too bad, when the victimised group are white.

I don't think it's even counted as such, by the loony left.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Ya Gordon thought the police would have been round to feel her, um collar by now, for sending racist tweets, mind you she says she been misunderstood ya rieght, if it had been a Tory or anybody else for that matter she'd have been screaming from the rooftops about racism, and so would the dogooding Guardian reading Muppet's

Re: Ed Miliband
 

And it looks like none of them are white!

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Have to wait until whites become a minority perhaps and are considered as an ethic group ...:rolleyes:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Better EdM than than Ms.Abbott, who was the preferred candidate of Union I'm a member of.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

If you could rephrase that in English please it would be very helpful, thank you;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Why are yeh learning english? its simple enough to understand.:confused:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Ah but you both speak the same:D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

It's this keyboard you lent me, it's a waste of space. Do you want the damned thing back.;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

That's funny I don't even know you and I still take notice of what my Mother taught me all those years ago, don't bother with strangers there's a lot of nutters out there, I have to say seems she was right;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Diane Abbotts remarks are unacceptable.. sorry or whatever there should be no messing about.. she should be kicked out of the party.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Agree n thats down to the person this threads about, Ed (No Balls)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

No doubt about it..have to say if this had been an MP from any of the other main parties he/she would and should have got the boot!

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Thing is though Mancie, i think twas you who said to somebody, Who would yeh put in his place? n thats Labours big problem to me, All i can see is ex-eton etc tosspots wi no charisma or leadership qualities, n until one appears Labour are dead in the water to me, saddens me to say it,but thats the way things are IMHO.:(

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Yes Ed Miliband nice bloke.. maybe he has good policies but not a winner and not in fashion in todays politics..perhaps Garinda could make him a shirt that would blow away the right wing.:D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Had a phone call today, from a friend who lives abroad, but who has close ties to the Labour party hierarchy.

Don't know how true it is, but they said they've realised that as they are, Labour are pretty much unelectable, and they're considering becoming the anti-E.U. party, in order to become more appealing to the masses.

:rolleyes:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Not another meeting in a trendy restaurant, making deals about who rules and for how long, which in time will end in another Tony and Gordon syndrome;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

All parties go round in cycles and this is Labour's dip in form. After 13 years in government they ran out of energy and ideas. Unfortunately it will probably take another election defeat for them to become re-energised with fresh ideas to solve the country's problems. Luckily they have a few 'bright young things' coming through the ranks like Chuka Umunna and Rachel Reeves who can take on the mantle of the progressive left.

But becoming the anti-E.U. party would make them unelectable. The UK needs to be at the heart of Europe. On our own we would be unable to compete against the economic blocs of Indo-China and the Americas.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

...as opposed to that staunch, pro-European, blindly-supporting-everything- Brussels-dreams-up party the Conservatives?

mmmm. just talk me through that one again.......

:confused::confused::confused:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

I aint too sure about that, wouldn't put money either way on that un.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

other countries seem to manage without being in the EU.
I think the EU needs us much more that we need them.(in fact one of the German leaders said as much at a meeting in London recently - trying to smooth over the damage that President Sarcastic caused)
It is not a democratic organisation...it is corrupt, some member countries choose which regulations they will follow and those which would be detrimental to their own economies they flout, but nothing seems to happen to them.


The EU is a money pit...and if you want your taxes to be poured into it at the detriment of the British people, cart on.

All this 'we won't be able to compete in the big bad world' is scare mongering...that is what they(the politicians) want you to believe - then when their days are done in British politics they can follow the likes of Neil and Glenys Kinnock and jump on the EU gravy train.


GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Two Words..........Spot On!!

Best Regards - Taggy

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Indo-China? Since when did Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam constitute some sort of world beating economic bloc? However, assuming that you're getting a little confused and you mean India and China, I wasn't aware that these two countries had joined into some sort of bloc? Do they have a parliament somewhere where they send MPs? Does this parliament pass hundreds of rules and regulations which then override the laws of the respective countries? Does this "bloc" soak up billions and billions of taxpayers' money annually, yet squander it in such a wasteful and corrupt fashion that its own auditors refuse to pass its accounts year after year? Do these American "blocs" do the same? Are they gradually eroding the sovereignty of the countries of the North and South American continents?

In that case, why do WE need to belong to such an organisation?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

The problem is mixing up the EU with Europe. No doubt the EU needs reforming. But Britain needs to be in Europe to form strategic economic alliances with Germany and France to compete with the India-China emerging economies and the Americas.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Were we not in Europe before we joined the Common Market? Me geography must be slipping, weve always been in Europe. I think its utter tripe we need to be in, n i was one who initially thought we should join the damn thing.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

I don't get it........mixing the EU up with Europe????????

Isn't the EU europe........?
Britain is geographically an Island...not part of the European mainland.
And if Britain forms economic alliances with France and Germany, they will get screwed.
The current economy in France is slightly worse than ours.

The EU is howling for closer political and economic ties withEU members, it wants to be able to ratify budgets of member countries when the EU hasn't had a budget ratified for some 14 years. Hypocritical or what?

We will be giving further powers away to unelected bureaucrats who do not want Britain to succeed...and will do everything in their power to ensure that we are shackled. You want that do you????


GET US OUT NOW!

Re: Ed Miliband
 

The EU is run by an elected national body. The Council of Ministers. Our representative was elected in Britain, for Britain and sits in the Commons. Countries have the right of veto so it is not possible to be run from Brussels. The common market which everyone agrees provides jobs in order to work one set of rules. Less bureaucrats and less bureaucracy. 1 rule not 27.

It also defends citizens interests where weak countries and I include Britain are unable to. Israel, mobile phone charges, food and drink, large multinationals fear it etc... It's expansion causes me concern in terms of immigration particularly the new accession countries and also on green issues. It fails to deal with trade imbalences outside of the EU and is anti state intervention.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

The belief is that we need to turn the page. Times have changed, dramatically. No one doubts we have a mountain to a climb. Ed is a great leader.

Chip paper makes for ideal chit chat amongst commentators. I don't think it is distracting the Parliamentary Labour Party or that anyone is worried at this stage. Ed's put a lot in behind the scenes. Remarkable person and tough. He doesn't bat an eyelid at the paper stuff. Just carries on with a clear purpose. It's hard because I don't just want to say "oh this is what is being said behind closed doors about ourselves (and the opposition) and this is what we are going to do in years 3 and 4 and 5." Thats for Ed to do but he has pretty much laid out in the clearest of terms to Labour MP's how we will approach the next election and how he plans for those years with the Labour Party. There is some evolving still going on. We have the policy reviews.

When you're on the inside knowing how clear and decisive Ed is in what he wants and how he has a clear plan, you can't take the outside media seriously.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

But the problem is that Ed Miliband doesn't communicate his plans to the public via the "outside media".

They might be the clear and decisive, but if he gives the impression he is out of his depth, then he won't get the chance to put them into operation.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Not one British person has ever voted that we become members of the E.U.

It didn't even exist, as the body it is today, the last time people were allowed a say.

You, yourself said a referendum would settle our membership issues 'democratically', just two weeks before voting that we shouldn't be allowed that democratic right.

Why did you carry out this act of hypocrisy Graham?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Not on here, it wouldn't.

Every poll that we've had on E.U. membership over the years, shows there's a massive majority who want out.

;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Graham, you are talking to us as if we are five year olds. condescending and patronising and your posts above do not allay my concerns one little bit.
We may Have MEP's over there, but like the MP's over here in our parliament(who are supposed to represent the will of their electorate) thay don't seem to listen to the real concerns of the people they represent.
It is not the MEP's who rule europe......it is the faceless Bureaucrats.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

And as Garinda has observed the great hulking organisation that is the EU now, is not the organisation that the British people voted into.

A large proportion of the population of this country has never had a say, despite being assured by various parties that we would have a say. I ask you......is that democracy?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Ran out of ideas, never realised they had any that were affordable, noticed you shied away from Hyndburns bright young thing;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Nor the people who actually elected you obviously, now well we're at it why did you deny the people of Hyndburn a referendum

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Is that any surprise Margaret He's already stated that he knows best about what is good for the people of Hyndburn so why should we be consulted about our part in any European discussions. Although I would never vote for Graham, when he was elected I respected the fact, like I did Greg Pope, that he was our mouth piece in Westminster and would represent our wishes, its sad to say that he has now lost that respect and would think I'm not the only one taking that stance

Re: Ed Miliband
 

John, they think we are like babies.......put something on a spoon and we'll swallow it.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Ya well I know I'm getting on a bit, but they ain't spoon feding me either:rolleyes:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

The German and French leaders are having yet another meeting today to decide on the Dog's breakfast that is the Eurozone......how many more meetings will it take before they come up with some decisive action?
How much are all these meetings costing? and more to the point, who is paying the bill?
You can bet our money is in there somewhere.
And while Graham talks about the EU defending the citizens interests in the weak and vulnerable countries(phone charges, food prices, etc)...it appears to me that we get very little out of it while putting a lot into the pot....and don't come with the old acid about jobs and that guff........France and Germany carve up the best tenders to their own liking...ask the people of Derby and they will tell you.


In these days of a harsh economic climate we have to get value for money...the EU quite simply does not offer us value for money.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Re: Ed Miliband
 

I noticed that PB said exactly the same thing in his Observer column on Friday;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Well he would disagree wi a guy that wouldn't entertain him as n M.P.:DPlus he will probably be trying to slime his way back as the "God Of Hyndburn" come next locals.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Well at least we won't get all the diatribe in the run up to the locals as we did last year:D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Yes he did John, but then anyone in their right mind can see that the EU is not a help to us, but a hindrance, with its pointless rules and regulations.(which those on the other side of the channel seem to ignore)
The only ones who don't want out have their eye on the main chance......a place on the gravy train.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Graham, lets clarify a few of the misrepresentations you make.
First- the Council of Ministers is a multinational body on which we have
only 29 votes out of 345(even Poland gets 27!).
Second- ' The council can only legislate on the basis of proposals submitted to it by the European Commission'. (quote from Consilium). In other words anonymous bureaucrats come up with the new rules, the Commission is then allowed to discuss them and vote on them. It doesn't come up with new rules/laws of its own right! You say it is 'not possible to be run from Brussels' but it obviously IS
Third- countries do not have the right of veto in the above! A qualified majority is all that is needed, sometimes a majority of states(sometimes two thirds, sometimes a simple majority) or a minimum of 255 votes out of a possible 345.
Fourth- 'One set of rules','1 rule not 27'. Are you advocating that this rapidly growing monster should be able to apply the same rule to every country whether they like it or not? Tax,fiscal,employment, retirement etc.etc.etc?

As a democratically elected MP in a democratic parliament how can you dare to advocate our democracy be handed over to a Dictatorship of anonymous bureaucrats based in another country?
They've already replaced the Governments of 2 of the 27, now they've got a taste for it we should be afraid!

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Get out of that one Graham!

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Think he's going to find it very hard, Graham only gets involved in anything when he thinks he can baffle everybody by science, or in other words a load of diatribe, which, if you look at the majority of his posts on here, geared to do just that. If every body is truthful, when they've read most of the stuff he's put on here both in his council days and now as an MP, they've been no wiser when they've finished than before they started, its called the "Mushroom Syndrome", feed the plebs with bullshine and keep um in the dark, and I've cleaned that up a tad for a family site

Re: Ed Miliband
 

As Graham Jones repeatedly reminds us, he's a working-class lad. He seems to work to the old workplace saying, "If tha can't baffle 'em wi' brains baffle 'em wi bull****."

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Mushroom management isn't just the domain of Graham Jones.........all political parties employ this tactic....this guff about transparency, is just, well....guff.

It is like the report that there is going to be a crackdown of fat cat salaries....and those convicted will be jailed. Don't make me laugh. It won't happen. Corporate Negligence will never result in anyone getting more than a lsap on the wrist.
If they can't find jail space for murderers and rapists then what chance for bankers and CEO's?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

As I doubt I'll get an intelligible response from Graham, to get back to thread-
Ed Milliband- the only problem I have with him(besides the fact that he's a very rich man who claims to be Labour but hasn't a clue how ordinary people live) is that when I see him on television with those big doe-like eyes and the pleading manner in which he speaks I have a strong urge to pat him on the head and say 'There, there, Ed, don't worry, everything will turn out all right'.
That's not what I want in a Prime Minister or even an Opposition Leader!
I want someone who will pat me on the head and say 'There, there, Gordon, don't worry, everything will turn out all right'.
I want a Leader who, although sometimes right,sometimes wrong, will give me the confidence that they are able to LEAD!

Re: Ed Miliband
 

I cannot see anyone in the current parliament, from any of the parties that has that ability.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

I agree.
We need a strong Government and a strong Opposition to take it to task.
At the moment we have neither.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Bring back Jack Straw and David Milliband for a start -what are they doing on the back-benches? Watching while the latest labour young guns shoot themselves continually in the foot!

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Thats the real problem Labour have got to me Gordon, Not EdM, THe problem is the public perception,following the balls up made by Blair n Brown! until they admit that,fer my money,they will never regain credibility,no matter who leads the party.:(

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Bring back Greg Pope, I did not agree with him most of the time, but he listened to his constituents. I had respect for him, something the present incumbent does not have.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

How long can you hold your breath,cashman?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Why? If you lumped both of them together you would have enough material to make a decent politician.
I stand by my previous judgement of the abilities of the politicians in the house......none of them have the required leadership skills.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

For goodness' sake! How old are you Graham Jones?

That is the sort of gushing tripe I would expect from some lovestruck schoolgirl. One might almost imagine that you have posters of EdM plastered all over the walls of your bedroom.

Is it true that you have 'I LUV ED' tattooed on your bum?

It strikes me that you and your mates in the party have got an uphill struggle on your hands to convince the country that 'Mr Wonderful' has what it takes to make it into Downing Street, considering that the press this morning has him as LESS popular than Nick Clegg - if such a thing can be imagined.

Sychophancy is disgusting, at any age.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Not long Gordon, but its a bit longer than me;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Well he was supposed to be reinventing himself today, maybe he'll be wearing I love Graham T shirts in recognition of the most valued support he's been given, mind you being less popular than Clegg really is an achievement by anyone's standards

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Well, I had to laugh, and laugh, and laugh. So much so that my other half and Acrylic-Biff, the terrier with attitude, thought that I had gone strange and were on the point of phoning the funny farm to send a couple of blokes in white coats to...well you know how it goes. Anyway, the point of my unbridled mirth was an article which headed this afternoon's version of the Telegraph online...

Ed Miliband: I am not handicapped by my appearance - Telegraph

In which 'Wallace' Millipede insists that his appearance is not a handicap!

Some of the comments appended to the story are so bitingly funny I could not help laughing out loud. Thinking of Graham -I'm in love with Ed -Jones' gushing tribute just made it even funnier.

Try this for a sample...

Lewis Duckworth

Today 05:27 PM
OK, the film industry wants to do a film about a young left-wing politician who reaches the very top - PM, global figure, etc. etc.
So they're looking for an actor - someone who'll wow the cinema audiences .... do they choose anybody who looks and sounds remotely like Milliband?

or this..

billyrubin

11 minutes ago
"I am not handicapped by my appearance"

No... you are and also by that voice and your lack of charisma and having no credible policies and no decent politicians sitting next to you. You are also handicapped by being the leader of a discredited party more destructive than the worst of Thatcherism.

Anyway you're not supposed to say handicapped, that was replaced by disabled and then by differently-abled. But if we cannot agree on the exact nomenclature of your disadvantage - we can all at least agree that you really are completely bloody useless.


Looks like Graham and his chums are going to have to shake those pom-poms a lot harder. :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

I've just laughed so much I nearly passed mi fags round:dancedog::dancedog::D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Good Lord! Steady on old lad, it wasn't that funny, was it?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Don't bother Bob I'm always like that when I see milipede on the telly:dancedog::dancedog::dancedog::Dsure as hell makes me laugh

Re: Ed Miliband
 

He has all the charisma of a stop sign, and the personality of a loo brush.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

That's your trouble, your just too kind Margaret;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

yes I know......I am going to try much harder to be a bovine :D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Na you have all them bull's after ya:D carry on being nice Margaret with an edge:rolleyes::D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

I don't think so John....I'm an old bovine, and one who can smell bull dust a mile off......but I liked the end comment anyway.:D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

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Re: Ed Miliband
 

He's just there as a stooge for the next 3 years. Lose an election, get replaced by Yvette Cooper, Labour gets back in in 2020. Conservatives replace Cameron with Gove in 2020, who proves unpopular, Labour in power for next 10 years etc etc.

And so the Conservative / Labour cycle of the post war years continues and no change in the capitalist concensus.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

"Stooge" just about sums up his efforts at todays PM's question time.

Didn't win a single point over Cameron as far as i could see. Rather bitty and not convincing in the points he tried to make.

He sounded more bunged up than usual too.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

And you wouldn't mind the occaisional off day so much if you weren't already aware that the whole thing is scripted for him, including the pathetic jokes.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Ohhh! So that's why he doesn't seem spontaneous;):rolleyes:

When his name was called by the Speaker I couldn't work out whether they were cheering him on or jeering - anyone better than me at interpreting all the "hoohah" of Parliament?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Perhaps you might find this instructive as a measure of the man...

Ed Miliband longs to drop designer look to wear 'big glasses and nasty jumpers' - Telegraph

Well, it made me laugh anyway.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Photo of him and bro' made me think "Bring me sunshine..."

Wry smile rather than lol! Don't believe a word of it - was he really a nerd, possibly and probably one of the worst kind of "in earnest" hacks at Uni.

Sexy! Now I'm laughing - brother David now -he's got "somfink" which Ed ain't got in that department.;):D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Eeeuwww! Yukky, the pair of them. I wouldn't touch either of them with a bargepole. Now if you really want to talk hot male totty in Parliament -
then I'm sorry, there isn't any. They are all either grotesquely overweight, old enough to be senile or irredeemably gormless.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Guess which category G Jones falls into:D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Who's writting your script, Mancie

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Come on Bob you've got to make your questions harder than that:D

Re: Ed Miliband
 

And who is writing yours..Ken Dodd?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Labour have a leader???

To toss in my two cents about your question: No, if you feel concerned about the guy then go with your gut instinct. I also think your concern would probably be heightened if you were privy to what is really going on outside of the Google Page Ranking posturing, and the carefully selected soundbites aimed at a dumbed down and misinformed population.
Poor Ed Milipede, he's just another third rate wannabe. Trying to get inside the inner circle where the real power is. Where the globalist owners are. Where Tony Bliar gets favoured for services rendered to this elite. ker-ching! yup, the blood of your families is worth good money stuffed in the back pockets of these traitorous war criminals.
Relax, Ed won't get anywhere close to dangerous because he'll just be poncing about being weak and irrelevant with the other champagne socialists in between his impotent parliamentary mewlings.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

:confused::confused:Champagne socialist, surely there aren't any of those are there:eek::eek:;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Now, there's no accounting for taste, as I'm sure you know -or we'd all be single and mooning over a few.

If you take away the fact that he's a Mr Bean lookalike, DM isn't that bad -tall and slim and what I like most -he has a good brain (that's very sexy!).

Apart from that I must agree with you on the rest, no Tarzan- Hessletine figures these days...shame.:rolleyes:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Nothing wrong with liking the odd glass of sparkling white wine as far as I'm concerned.

Is it part of the Labour party constitution that it's members should only drink honest pints of milk stout?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Many members here think that this ranks as 'conspiracy theory' and will ridicule you for mentioning it.

This post is just to let you know that I wont.;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Its good yeh stick together.:hehetable

Re: Ed Miliband
 

10 years ago everyone one thought the "United States of Europe" was a conspiracy theory & ridiculed anyone who spoke about it, Now its talked about it in the open! ....

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Ya but that could be construed as a conspiracy cashy:eek:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Thanks, but it's totally expected that mainsteam "thinking" people would ridicule others with a different perspective.
They are only thinking the way they are supposed to think, living their lives by their imposed beliefs through carefully implanted perception.
Through my experience within the mass communication/Google Page Ranking business in L.A. I know the business of "managed perception". Look up Edward Bernays to find out about the methods employed to decieve and manipulate the masses.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Ya certainly looks like everythings in your head;)

Re: Ed Miliband
 

I posted the above a year ago.

One year on, what has changed?

In my opinion, absolutely nothing. He doesn't convince me. He is an embarrassment to the party. He is ineffective at PM questions, he is a million miles from being Prime Minister material, and he is a liability to a Labour party that otherwise just has to turn up to win the next election, given the putrid performance so far of Cameron, Clegg and Co.

Bring on David Miliband.

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Just watched his speech, which was lapped up by the party faithful, thereby ensuring he'll be leader at least till after the next election.

The uncomfortable thing for me was that all the ills of the world were laid at the door of two years of Conservative led government. If he had been out of office for a decade, his arguments would have had some credibility.

But this was a man who only two years ago was a Cabinet Minister in a Government that had been in power for 13 years. Why weren't all these wonderful policies introduced then?

Re: Ed Miliband
 

What wonderful policies :confused:

Re: Ed Miliband
 

Well, apprenticeships and er......er.........you are right! The only policies he mentioned were to undo everything the Tories have done in the past two years!