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jaysay 04-11-2011 09:23
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 944773)
I am sure I have said this in the past when the other lot were in the big seat - AccyWeb is not HBC's official method of communication for responding to enquiries. If a Councillor wants to respond as Ken has been doing that's up to him but if you want to ask the Council a question then use the correct channels.

AccyWeb is good for Council bashing though :D
Ya Neil but there is hypocrisy, the same people who were very garrulous on here for years, have now suddenly disappeared, and why, if your reading threads on here about a department you are in charge of, why not post their thoughts about the problem and not just PM certain members.:mad:

jaysay 04-11-2011 09:27
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 944786)
we have to remember that councillors have lives as well as being councillors, they do have day jobs and families and can't be expected to come on here everyday, it's not fair for them to be shot to pieces at every given opportunity Gary,
That's funny Shaz they didn't seem to have any problems in opposition, funny how they've dried up when they have to answer the questions

MargaretR 04-11-2011 09:32
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 944801)
To me removing those benches is near as ridiculous as the closing of the bogs,by the other lot, i'm fortunate i aint had a need to use em, but its a simple matter of whats right n whats wrong, n the trolling on here is by margaret r n flashy as far as i' see it, if thats what yeh think start yer own thread about it.:rolleyes:
I object to being labelled a 'troll'.
I have pointed out that more benches are needed, not none, so I am in agreement with the reasons behind this thread.

However - the topic is being thrashed to death by obsessive postings which don't add any weight to the original argument.

garinda 04-11-2011 09:36
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 944786)
we have to remember that councillors have lives aswell as being councillors, they do have day jobs and families and can't be expected to come on here everyday, it's not fair for them to be shot to pieces at every given opportunity Gary, no one can please everyone, ALL of the time, as you all well know i say what i mean constantly and i think this is all getting out of hand, you lot weren't happy with the last lot who where in power and it seems that you lot still aren't happy with the lot who are in power now, i don't know much about politics but i do know that the shizzle you are coming out with is coming across as a load of bollox and i think you have gone too far now, we have all had our own jobs to do in the past, how would you have felt to be constantly undermined in everything you did in that job? it's just not on and i think there should be an end to it before it is said that Accyweb is just a bullying forum, that wouldn't be fair on Roy and would make him look like a right fool, which isn't what this forum is about
No, but like everyone on here I'm allowed to have a moan, just like every other non-politican has in this thread, when people in charge do what we all agree are daft things.

Politicans have been keen to some on here in the past, and acted no differently from how I've said things, or as anyone else does.

Unless I break forum rules, or the law, I and anyone else are free to have a grumble at the crap we have to put up with.

Politicans aren't forced to reply, or even read it.

If they do, that's their choice.

I shall carry on posting here, exactly the same way as I have since 2005.

If some don't like it, because they're now in charge, and no longer want to encourage me...as they did when they were in opposition....tough.

:rolleyes:

garinda 04-11-2011 09:41
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 944787)
Gary, trolling really doesn't suit you love, the amount of posts you have written in this thread is unbelievable, please take a look all the way through this thread and read everything you have wrote
I stand by every word I posted.

As you say, you know little, or care much about politics, so your sudden interest, is quite amusing.

I'll carrry on posting, and if I break the rules, I'll presumably be banned.

I haven't so far.

cashman 04-11-2011 09:52
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 944789)
Flashy - I agree - obsessive behaviour can alienate others from the cause he seems to be 'fighting' for.
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 944790)
Wyn, are you surprised they don't say anything anymore? how would you feel if everything you said was criticized? even you must be able to see this for what it is, if you feel what politicians are doing is wrong then why don't you become one yourself and lets see how many people get on your back about things, i keep an open mind about everything but this is just getting beyond a joke and is making this forum look stupid
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 944796)
i doubt its for fear of criticism Wyn, more about members on here twisting everything they have to say....i didn't say it was just Gary did i? you'll find that i said something along the lines of 'it's not fair for them to be shot to pieces at every given opportunity Gary, no one can please everyone, ALL of the time, as you all well know i say what i mean constantly and i think this is all getting out of hand'
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 944802)
so people winding others up and taking people to pieces isn't classed as trolling is it not Cashy? ok, if you say so
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 944812)
I object to being labelled a 'troll'.
I have pointed out that more benches are needed, not none, so I am in agreement with the reasons behind this thread.

However - the topic is being thrashed to death by obsessive postings which don't add any weight to the original argument.
Object away yer entitled too, yeh gave your opinion, as yer entitled, i gave mine, i reckon all politicos from all parties would like certain subjects to roll oer n die,go away then so does the problem.:rolleyes: i reckon you 2 are being as selfish as rindy says he is, cos i guess none of yeh ever used those benches? to me the only way to have a remote chance of resolving this problem,is to keep banging on about it, not rocket science.:rolleyes:

garinda 04-11-2011 09:54
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 944806)
Well I'll got to the foot of our stairs Rindi, these are the same people who year after year accused me of doing Britcliffe bidding both on here and in Letters to the Press, something which in my case never ever happened. In fact in the run up to the local elections this year I point blankly refused to post on here political dogma to aid the then ruling group, I wouldn't treat the people on this site with such disrespect. However, it now appears there were some people who didn't hold the same high principals and would stop at nothing to get their grubby hands on power, but the people should have remembered back to good old 1997 when we were greeted at every tern by D-ream and things can only get better and we all know how that ended up
I only ever leaked information passed to me by Labour politicans, if I believed it was in the public interest...and it was something I could conceivably have known myself.

:D

I didn't publicly leak everything given to me.

Being a slovenly housekeeper, I still have it all stored, handily.

Just in case I'm labelled a liar, as well as a right-wing Little Englander.

:D

Sun's out now!

Be lovely, enjoying this late autumn sunshine.

Sat outside Accy Market Hall.

:hothothot

garinda 04-11-2011 10:09
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...and for those with little, or no interest in politics, up until now.

If you're worried about the poor little souls, who for whatever reason CHOOSE to go into political life.

Use the advance search on Accy Web.

Type in their timid little mouse usernames.

Then in the key-word section type in things like 'Britcliffe' or 'Karen Buckley', and be prepared to have your eyes opened.

;)

jaysay 04-11-2011 10:21
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944828)
...and for those with little, or no interest in politics, up until now.

If you're worried about the poor little souls, who for whatever reason CHOOSE to go into political life.

Use the advance search on Accy Web.

Type in their timid little mouse usernames.

Then in the key-word section type in things like 'Britcliffe' or 'Karen Buckley', and be prepared to have your eyes opened.

;)
Your a little rascal you Rindi;)

garinda 04-11-2011 10:48
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...and unlike some, my observations are aimed at how politicans act, and are not personal attacks.

I said last week Graham Jones was a 'good man, with a good heart'.

Yesterday I posted that I like Ken Moss, after chatting to him in my home, on more than one occasion.

Wendy Dwyer is an inspiration to me, both as a person, and a politican.

I disagree with Bernard on a number of issues, but I respect his determined stand. You could never accuse him of hypocrisy.

Claytonender is another councillor I have great respect for, as I do for Clare Pritchard, on a personal level.

I oppose bad, politically motivated actions, not people.

It's quite laughable that some now decide to butt in, making pathetic accusations of bullying.

Especially if it's done by people who just a short time ago rubbished every post made by a certain councillor on here, whatever the subject. Which seemed less politically motivated, and every inch a personal vendetta.

Fortunately most of us have memories longer than that of a goldfish.

http://www.2coolfishing.com/ttmbforu...s/goldfish.gif

;)

flashy 04-11-2011 10:54
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Deary Deary me, here we go again

MargaretR 04-11-2011 11:19
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944849)

I do feel I've reached a plateau on this subject.

Unless there are any actual constructive posts made, which I may wish to comment on.


:rolleyes:
Händel Messiah - Hallelujah Chorus - YouTube

.........:D

garinda 04-11-2011 11:33
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 944850)

You should have called me, if someone was holding you hostage, forcing you to read any of this.

I'd have popped up there, and organised your rescue.

Before you get too giddy, all being well, I'm due in the vicinity of the missing benches tomorrow.

;):D

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 11:38
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944823)
I didn't publicly leak everything given to me.

Being a slovenly housekeeper, I still have it all stored, handily.

Just in case I'm labelled a liar, as well as a right-wing Little Englander
You're a lying, right-wing Little Englander. ;) :D

Now spill!

Neil 04-11-2011 11:53
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This thread has started to get personal between members and that is not acceptable.
I have no problem with the thread moaning about the council and there actions/policies and to a point councilors but please remember that any comments targeting members are likely to be removed if reported and if the mods feel comments are out of order are likely to be removed even if they are not reported.

mobertol 04-11-2011 12:18
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944823)

Sun's out now!

Be lovely, enjoying this late autumn sunshine.

Sat outside Accy Market Hall.

:hothothot
:)

garinda 04-11-2011 12:33
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 944861)
This thread has started to get personal between members and that is not acceptable.
I have no problem with the thread moaning about the council and there actions/policies and to a point councilors but please remember that any comments targeting members are likely to be removed if reported and if the mods feel comments are out of order are likely to be removed even if they are not reported.
Noted.

Members being named, and accused of bullying is out of order.

Even if made by someone who's referred to the former Leader of H.B.C. by some very derogatory names in the past, whilst he's a member of this forum, and the name calling seemed to have nothing at all to do with politics.

cashman 04-11-2011 12:55
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 944861)
This thread has started to get personal between members and that is not acceptable.
I have no problem with the thread moaning about the council and there actions/policies and to a point councilors but please remember that any comments targeting members are likely to be removed if reported and if the mods feel comments are out of order are likely to be removed even if they are not reported.
So long as its as impartial as it should be if thats the case.

jaysay 04-11-2011 17:49
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944868)
Noted.

Members being named, and accused of bullying is out of order.

Even if made by someone who's referred to the former Leader of H.B.C. by some very derogatory names in the past, whilst he's a member of this forum, and the name calling seemed to have nothing at all to do with politics.
Um I wonder who that was:confused::confused::confused::rolleyes:;)

jedimaster 04-11-2011 18:29
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so has it yet been decided when the benches are coming back?

jaysay 04-11-2011 18:43
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Originally Posted by jedimaster (Post 944934)
so has it yet been decided when the benches are coming back?
I expected it being anounced in the "Leaders Column" in the Obs this morning, but sadly not jedi;)

garinda 04-11-2011 18:43
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Originally Posted by jedimaster (Post 944934)
so has it yet been decided when the benches are coming back?
Well.

Pull up a seat.

It's a long story.

:p

On a serious note, I had a very nice email from Clare Pritchard today, which was appreciated. It also allowed me to apologise, in case she took my selfish desire to see the return of the benches as personal.

Yes she, like all councillors do a lot of unsung hard work on our behalf, and having moaning Minnies on your back, is probably not constructive.

:o

But that doesn't mean people will stop doing it.

;):D:p

jedimaster 04-11-2011 18:46
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944941)
Well.

Pull up a seat.

It's a long story.

:p
i noticed :D

garinda 04-11-2011 18:51
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Originally Posted by garinda
Yes she, like all councillors do a lot of unsung hard work on our behalf, and having moaning Minnies on your back, is probably not constructive.
Just reading that through, I'd better make it clear that's what I think.

It certainly wasn't what Clare said to me, or her tone.

She couldn't have been more accommodating, in being willing to listen to my concerns.

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 18:52
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944941)
But that doesn't mean people will stop doing it.

;):D:p
Too right it doesn't. I'm just getting my second wind! ;)

jedimaster 04-11-2011 19:06
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in fairness I have only just started venturing round accy again over the last few weeks having just moved back however I have to say that seating is definately an issue around the town centre and in this day and age where as a nation we are supposedly more aware of individuals needs. removing seating from town centres appears very anti-elderly/infirm (was groove behind their removal?)and as a disabled person feel they should be replaced immediately considering it has been proved that their removal has not helped the issue in question, only alienated valued members of our society and prevented them from spending much needed money in our town.

garinda 04-11-2011 19:06
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 944945)
Too right it doesn't. I'm just getting my second wind! ;)
:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Well good luck.

Catch you later.

The nice nurse has just said it's time for my little lie down.

:D

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 19:14
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944950)
:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Well good luck.

Catch you later.

The nice nurse has just said it's time for my little lie down.

:D
Yes, she'll be round with my tablets anytime now. ;)

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 20:09
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Originally Posted by jedimaster (Post 944934)
so has it yet been decided when the benches are coming back?
Don't hold your breath. The benches were moved as an experiment, to see if that would shift the drinkers from the front of the Market Hall. As an experiment it's been a success - they've apparently gone elsewhere in the town centre. So why would they bring the benches back?

What I would like to know is, as the whole town centre is a no alcohol zone, why can't the police just confiscate the booze? Have the council asked the police about this?

DaveinGermany 04-11-2011 20:21
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 944961)
What I would like to know is, as the whole town centre is a no alcohol zone, why can't the police just confiscate the booze?
Quite agree, there are laws governing & controlling this type of anti social behaviour but they aren't being adequately & vigorously applied. I'm pretty sure that if I did some kind of anti social behaviour over here the GCP (German Plod) would have some rather pertinent comments to make backed up with a rap from his truncheon & if I continued the belligerence it'd be guns & cuffs & off to the pokey to reflect on my errant ways. ;)

davemac 04-11-2011 20:22
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It might be a daft idea, but as opinion is running high why don't we as accy web offer to sponsor the cost of replacing the benches. I'm sure that we could get a small brass plaque saying supplied by accy web. If we all gave a small amount it shouldn't cost anyone that much. Unless this is not really about the benches at all, or that people believe that the council should supply and do everything.

Just a thought!

jedimaster 04-11-2011 20:47
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Originally Posted by davemac (Post 944965)
It might be a daft idea, but as opinion is running high why don't we as accy web offer to sponsor the cost of replacing the benches. I'm sure that we could get a small brass plaque saying supplied by accy web. If we all gave a small amount it shouldn't cost anyone that much. Unless this is not really about the benches at all, or that people believe that the council should supply and do everything.

Just a thought!


hbc would then have to approve planning permission for us to place them there :dummy2:

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 20:49
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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 944964)
Quite agree, there are laws governing & controlling this type of anti social behaviour but they aren't being adequately & vigorously applied. I'm pretty sure that if I did some kind of anti social behaviour over here the GCP (German Plod) would have some rather pertinent comments to make backed up with a rap from his truncheon & if I continued the belligerence it'd be guns & cuffs & off to the pokey to reflect on my errant ways. ;)
Quite sure they would, Dave. Thing is, I've sat in Piccadilly Gardens and watched the cops swoop on those unwise enough to partake of booze. They don't arrest 'em, just take a note of their details and take the booze off 'em. Why can't they do that in Accy?

davemac 04-11-2011 20:52
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Originally Posted by jedimaster (Post 944969)
hbc would then have to approve planning permission for us to place them there :dummy2:
Not if H.B.C placed them there on our behalf. It's classed as street furniture and not a permanent item so I don't think planning law applies. But I don't know for sure :theband:

DaveinGermany 04-11-2011 20:56
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Originally Posted by davemac (Post 944965)
why don't we as accy web offer to sponsor the cost of replacing the benches.
Think you've missed the point Dave, it's not so much the removal of the benches it's the reasoning behind the removal that's the issue.

Benches for public-dossers using them upsetting public-Council removes benches ergo problem of dossers resolved-no benches, no dossers- seemples !

Net result, genuine user punished due to blanket approach used to deter the problem. The problem still remains only elsewhere, it's like drawing the curtains so you don't see the mucky weather outside, no real resolution.

davemac 04-11-2011 21:05
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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 944977)
Think you've missed the point Dave, it's not so much the removal of the benches it's the reasoning behind the removal that's the issue.

Benches for public-dossers using them upsetting public-Council removes benches ergo problem of dossers resolved-no benches, no dossers- seemples !

Net result, genuine user punished due to blanket approach used to deter the problem. The problem still remains only elsewhere, it's like drawing the curtains so you don't see the mucky weather outside, no real resolution.
Think you are right, I missed it by a mile, I thought they were removed due to damage or age.
I must be spending too much time in my darkened room. :thankya:

DaveinGermany 04-11-2011 21:10
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 944971)
Why can't they do that in Accy?
Lack of determination ? No desire to see things through regardless how unpleasant ? No interest (doesn't fit targets) ? Avoidance of confrontation ?

Yet your plastic plod or even proper plod are keen enough to pick up "soft targets" it seems.

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 21:16
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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 944981)
Lack of determination ? No desire to see things through regardless how unpleasant ? No interest (doesn't fit targets) ? Avoidance of confrontation ?

Yet your plastic plod or even proper plod are keen enough to pick up "soft targets" it seems.
I may be wrong here, but I think there's a CCTV system in the town centre. So why can't those who monitor it tip off the feds when they see the lowlives start on the booze? Cops swoop on the miscreants and nab their booze, before they have a chance to drink it. Seems simple enough to me.

jedimaster 04-11-2011 21:19
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i know in burnley there are security officers employed to patrol the market square to solve similar issues why not here?

Taggy 04-11-2011 21:28
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 944983)
I may be wrong here, but I think there's a CCTV system in the town centre. So why can't those who monitor it tip off the feds when they see the lowlives start on the booze? Cops swoop on the miscreants and nab their booze, before they have a chance to drink it. Seems simple enough to me.
This has been reported to the Police on many occasions...from as early as 8.30am...the Police come and move them on...whilst sharing a joke with the plebs!!...The cycle then carry's on! If this happened in Spain they'd be chucked in the back of a van, probably get a good thump, & spend several hours or days in the clink...but apparently we are more understanding!...Works doesn't it!;)

Best Regards - Taggy

cashman 04-11-2011 21:32
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 944988)
This has been reported to the Police on many occasions...from as early as 8.30am...the Police come and move them on...whilst sharing a joke with the plebs!!...The cycle then carry's on! If this happened in Spain they'd be chucked in the back of a van, probably get a good thump, & spend several hours or days in the clink...but apparently we are more understanding!...Works doesn't it!;)

Best Regards - Taggy
Thats quite true Taggy, Human Rights dont extend much to criminals in the costas.;)

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 21:32
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 944988)
This has been reported to the Police on many occasions...from as early as 8.30am...the Police come and move them on...whilst sharing a joke with the plebs!!...The cycle then carry's on! If this happened in Spain they'd be chucked in the back of a van, probably get a good thump, & spend several hours or days in the clink...but apparently we are more understanding!...Works doesn't it!;)

Best Regards - Taggy
This isn't a national thing, though. The police take a firm line with 'em in other towns in the UK. I've seen it with my own eyes. If it's a no alcohol zone, why aren't the police confiscating their booze? Have the council talked to the cops about this?

garinda 04-11-2011 21:38
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Originally Posted by davemac (Post 944965)
It might be a daft idea, but as opinion is running high why don't we as accy web offer to sponsor the cost of replacing the benches. I'm sure that we could get a small brass plaque saying supplied by accy web. If we all gave a small amount it shouldn't cost anyone that much. Unless this is not really about the benches at all, or that people believe that the council should supply and do everything.

Just a thought!
There are already benches, and no need for new ones.

They were removed, and presumably being stored somewhere safe.

Taggy 04-11-2011 21:40
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 944990)
This isn't a national thing, though. The police take a firm line with 'em in other towns in the UK. I've seen it with my own eyes. If it's a no alcohol zone, why aren't the police confiscating their booze? Have the council talked to the cops about this?
I'm honestly not so sure that's true these days to be honest!...You only have to look at the news or read papers to see this situation happening in many places...well in many places that don't really matter to the political powers that be should i say!..Basically what i'm saying is that Hyndburn is a dead hole these days as are many..predominantly Northern towns...if we don't matter to them....then they don't give a fig about us!....Its ultimately about resourses & appathy!

Best Regards - Taggy

garinda 04-11-2011 21:46
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 944988)
This has been reported to the Police on many occasions...from as early as 8.30am...the Police come and move them on...whilst sharing a joke with the plebs!!...The cycle then carry's on! If this happened in Spain they'd be chucked in the back of a van, probably get a good thump, & spend several hours or days in the clink...but apparently we are more understanding!...Works doesn't it!;)

Best Regards - Taggy
I wonder if some nearby charity could be pursuaded to turn the backyard of one of their many properties into a nice lttle beer garden for them?

Comfy bench seating, smoking shelter, a few plants, room to act the fool. All fully enclosed.

Save their legs too.

Hard work.

The journey from wherever in the town centre, to Abbey Street.

:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 21:46
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 944994)
I'm honestly not so sure that's true these days to be honest!...You only have to look at the news or read papers to see this situation happening in many places...well in many places that don't really matter to the political powers that be should i say!..Basically what i'm saying is that Hyndburn is a dead hole these days as are many..predominantly Northern towns...if we don't matter to them....then they don't give a fig about us!....Its ultimately about resourses & appathy!

Best Regards - Taggy
Tell you what then, come to Stockport, another Northern town, sit down in the town centre, crack open a can and see what happens. I can tell you what because I've seen it - the cops will be along sharpish, they'll take your name and address and they'll have all your booze off you.

This "it's down to politically correct Britain, so there's nothing to be done about it" stuff don't wash with me. The authorities in Hyndburn CAN do something about it...but is the will there?

garinda 04-11-2011 21:51
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 944994)
I'm honestly not so sure that's true these days to be honest!...You only have to look at the news or read papers to see this situation happening in many places...well in many places that don't really matter to the political powers that be should i say!..Basically what i'm saying is that Hyndburn is a dead hole these days as are many..predominantly Northern towns...if we don't matter to them....then they don't give a fig about us!....Its ultimately about resourses & appathy!

Best Regards - Taggy
I certainly believe you, but quiet honestly I've never seen and alkies there, Tuesday, and Saturday afternoons, sometime after 2 pm.

Perhaps they all run off.

First sight of me shuffling towards 'em.

:eek::D

Taggy 04-11-2011 22:20
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 944997)
Tell you what then, come to Stockport, another Northern town, sit down in the town centre, crack open a can and see what happens. I can tell you what because I've seen it - the cops will be along sharpish, they'll take your name and address and they'll have all your booze off you.

This "it's down to politically correct Britain, so there's nothing to be done about it" stuff don't wash with me. The authorities in Hyndburn CAN do something about it...but is the will there?
I personally know of two or three people who's drug related problems started in Stockport, so don't try & tell me that that place is anything like a progressive town!..We all see things as we want to from time to time!

Best Regards - Taggy

Taggy 04-11-2011 22:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 944999)
I certainly believe you, but quiet honestly I've never seen and alkies there, Tuesday, and Saturday afternoons, sometime after 2 pm.

Perhaps they all run off.

First sight of me shuffling towards 'em.

:eek::D
I think it could be a case of those poor unfortunate lovelies have had their needs satisfied by certain people by that time!...Either that or they're out robbing some poor sod!

Best Regards - Taggy

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 22:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945008)
I personally know of two or three people who's drug related problems started in Stockport, so don't try & tell me that that place is anything like a progressive town!..We all see things as we want to from time to time!

Best Regards - Taggy
I didn't say it was a "progressive" town (whatever one of those is).

What I said was, if you start boozing in Stockport centre, the cops will be on the case quite quickly and will take your booze away - and the same goes for Manchester too. That's not something I've imagined, Taggy, I've seen it happen on numerous occasions.

When the cops move the problem drinkers on in Accy centre, do they take their booze off them? If they don't, then I would've thought the council should be raising this with the police liaison committee.

cashman 04-11-2011 22:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945008)
I personally know of two or three people who's drug related problems started in Stockport, so don't try & tell me that that place is anything like a progressive town!..We all see things as we want to from time to time!

Best Regards - Taggy
which is sod all to do wi drinking in the town centre Taggy, never read were it was said Stockport is progressive? just the fact that law deal wi the drinkers.:confused:

Taggy 04-11-2011 22:42
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What i'm saying is that Stockport has a hell of a lot of problems too, so can hardly be held up as any kind of shining light!!..I know that coz my daughter lived there!

Best Regards - Taggy

Taggy 04-11-2011 22:45
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
We see reports in the "local" press every week about alcohol being taken away from individuals too...doesn't mean we havn't got a problem does it!

Best Regards - Taggy

cashman 04-11-2011 22:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945018)
What i'm saying is that Stockport has a hell of a lot of problems too, so can hardly be held up as any kind of shining light!!..I know that coz my daughter lived there!

Best Regards - Taggy
he wasn't saying that, i lived in Reddish 11 yrs ago n am aware of the problems yon.:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 22:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945018)
What i'm saying is that Stockport has a hell of a lot of problems too, so can hardly be held up as any kind of shining light!!..I know that coz my daughter lived there!

Best Regards - Taggy
I'm not holding it up as a "shining light". It's got all the problems of any British town in the 21st century - drugs, crime etc...and they don't even have a football league club! ;) What I'm saying is, you don't see groups of lowlives openly boozing in the town centre like you do in Accy, because the authorities have got to grips with that particular problem. As far as I can see, they've got to grips with it by the simple step of taking the booze off the boozers.

Why can't the authorities in Accy get to grips with it?

Taggy 04-11-2011 22:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 945020)
he wasn't saying that, i lived in Reddish 11 yrs ago n am aware of the problems yon.:rolleyes:
Hes basically saying that Stockport is dealing with the problem better...I'm quite honestly doubting that Cashy!!
Best Regards - Taggy

cashman 04-11-2011 22:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945023)
Hes basically saying that Stockport is dealing with the problem better...I'm quite honestly doubting that Cashy!!
Best Regards - Taggy
The problem of drinkers yeh, as are quite a few other places Taggy.

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 22:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945023)
Hes basically saying that Stockport is dealing with the problem better...I'm quite honestly doubting that Cashy!!
Best Regards - Taggy
It is dealing with that problem better and the proof of the pudding is in the eating - go into Stockport centre, you'll see groups of chavs and all sorts of dodgy looking characters. You won't see 'em boozing though because they know they'll lose their booze!

Taggy 04-11-2011 22:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945022)
I'm not holding it up as a "shining light". It's got all the problems of any British town in the 21st century - drugs, crime etc...and they don't even have a football league club! ;) What I'm saying is, you don't see groups of lowlives openly boozing in the town centre like you do in Accy, because the authorities have got to grips with that particular problem. As far as I can see, they've got to grips with it by the simple step of taking the booze off the boozers.

Why can't the authorities in Accy get to grips with it?
Its a case of where you are in town at any given time!..Many times i read the "accrington" observer & read reports of how much alocohol is taken off the streets by police from youths or problem drinkers!..So its not like they are doing nowt!..Maybe there's a difference in the "areas" that police target in different towns & at different times!..As i say my daughter lived just on the outskirts of Stockport & i can tell you, that was n area just as bad if not worse than i've experienced in Accrington!

Best Regards - Taggy

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 23:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945029)
Its a case of where you are in town at any given time!..Many times i read the "accrington" observer & read reports of how much alocohol is taken off the streets by police from youths or problem drinkers!..So its not like they are doing nowt!..Maybe there's a difference in the "areas" that police target in different towns & at different times!..As i say my daughter lived just on the outskirts of Stockport & i can tell you, that was n area just as bad if not worse than i've experienced in Accrington!

Best Regards - Taggy
The outskirts? You can't stop problem drinking in every area of any town - they're just aren't enough resources to do it! But I thought this whole argument was about the group(s) of boozed up lowlives who infest the town centre during the day and make life unpleasant for shoppers and visitors to the town? What I'm saying is that other towns have dealt with the problem more successfully than Hyndburn have. Why can't the council ask other boroughs for advice on how to deal with it?

Taggy 04-11-2011 23:05
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To be honest i now have to agree with some earlier posters in saying that this subject is starting to get blown out of proportion!..I'm probably guilty of helping that!

But How many people on here actually feel "unsafe" in going into town?..Which is where this discussion is leading...Well during the day, i certainly don't...certainly not any less safe than Blackburn for instance!..Maybe at night that's a different question..but equally that applies to Accrington, Blackburn or Stockport!

And i suppose if we get back to the original question of benches/seating..how many benches are there in Blackburn town centre at the moment?

Best Regards - Taggy

Taggy 04-11-2011 23:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945031)
The outskirts? You can't stop problem drinking in every area of any town - they're just aren't enough resources to do it! But I thought this whole argument was about the group(s) of boozed up lowlives who infest the town centre during the day and make life unpleasant for shoppers and visitors to the town? What I'm saying is that other towns have dealt with the problem more successfully than Hyndburn have. Why can't the council ask other boroughs for advice on how to deal with it?
I think by & large that other councils..if they have actually managed to control things in the Town Centre..have simply shifted the problem elsewhere into more residential areas!..Now do you honestly think that's solving the problem?

Best Regards - Taggy

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 23:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945033)
To be honest i now have to agree with some earlier posters in saying that this subject is starting to get blown out of proportion!..I'm probably guilty of helping that!

But How many people on here actually feel "unsafe" in going into town?..Which is where this discussion is leading...Well during the day, i certainly don't...certainly not any less safe than Blackburn for instance!..Maybe at night that's a different question..but equally that applies to Accrington, Blackburn or Stockport!

And i suppose if we get back to the original question of benches/seating..how many benches are there in Blackburn town centre at the moment?

Best Regards - Taggy
It's not a question of feeling unsafe, it's more about the town centre's appeal being tainted by boozed up, foulmouthed scum hanging around. As for seating, well, there were some seats in front of the market hall, but the ordinary public have now been deprived of those because the authorities couldn't tackle the aforesaid scum!

cashman 04-11-2011 23:16
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I certainly don't feel unsafe anywhere, but thats not the issue to me, at the risk of repeating, its a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, everyone the elderly n disabled suffer, whilst the drunks just moved elsewhere, that to me is the police not doing there job, also it aint nice to walk past these people who use colourful language, when yeh got yer missus wi yeh, whilst people say cutbacks,lack of resource, i say hogwash,we got cctv use it, simple.

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 23:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945038)
I think by & large that other councils..if they have actually managed to control things in the Town Centre..have simply shifted the problem elsewhere into more residential areas!..Now do you honestly think that's solving the problem?

Best Regards - Taggy
That's you surmising, but I doubt you've any proof of it. Do you find it so difficult to accept that Hyndburn Council just may have a little bit to learn from other towns about how to at least attempt to tackle this problem?

Taggy 04-11-2011 23:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945039)
It's not a question of feeling unsafe, it's more about the town centre's appeal being tainted by boozed up, foulmouthed scum hanging around. As for seating, well, there were some seats in front of the market hall, but the ordinary public have now been deprived of those because the authorities couldn't tackle the aforesaid scum!
Yes but that's Accrington in General now...not just the Town Centre is it!...Go and have a look around any area in Accrington..& you will see that type of scum!!..The Bench problem has become just a symtom of a more major problem ..not just in Accrington but society!!

OK for a daft comparrison ..look at the proposed attempts to completly dredge the cockle beds off Lytham..just because illegal fishermen are coming in to take the cockles & deprive genuine people of their income!..Blooming stupid..but that seems to be how "modern" society deals with things, penalise the genuine to punish the idiots......i could go on & on!

Best REgards - Taggy

Taggy 04-11-2011 23:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945043)
That's you surmising, but I doubt you've any proof of it. Do you find it so difficult to accept that Hyndburn Council just may have a little bit to learn from other towns about how to at least attempt to tackle this problem?
Well yes..i've got the proof of my eyes & experience..you say Stockport Town Centre has sorted the problem....well i'm telling you from experience the outskirts are a nightmare!

Best Regards - Taggy

cashman 04-11-2011 23:25
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But it is the town centre Taggy, these drunks being yon, aint exactly been encouraging to visitors, have they? therefore local traders suffer, a town centre is were people come n people shop.

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 23:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945044)
Yes but that's Accrington in General now...not just the Town Centre is it!...Go and have a look around any area in Accrington..& you will see that type of scum!!..The Bench problem has become just a symtom of a more major problem ..not just in Accrington but society!!

OK for a daft comparrison ..look at the proposed attempts to completly dredge the cockle beds off Lytham..just because illegal fishermen are coming in to take the cockles & deprive genuine people of their income!..Blooming stupid..but that seems to be how "modern" society deals with things, penalise the genuine to punish the idiots......i could go on & on!

Best REgards - Taggy
Nope, don't accept this "it's the way modern society is" excuse for HBC's hamfisted attempt to tackle the towncentre drinkers by punishing the innocent with the guilty by depriving all of the amenities. However, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Taggy, as I need to get some shuteye. I'm coming up to Accy tomorrow and I want to get there early, or else I might not find a place to sit down! ;)

Wynonie Harris 04-11-2011 23:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945046)
Well yes..i've got the proof of my eyes & experience..you say Stockport Town Centre has sorted the problem....well i'm telling you from experience the outskirts are a nightmare!

Best Regards - Taggy
Well, I live on the outskirts and I've not found it a "nightmare"...yet!

Taggy 04-11-2011 23:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 945041)
I certainly don't feel unsafe anywhere, but thats not the issue to me, at the risk of repeating, its a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, everyone the elderly n disabled suffer, whilst the drunks just moved elsewhere, that to me is the police not doing there job, also it aint nice to walk past these people who use colourful language, when yeh got yer missus wi yeh, whilst people say cutbacks,lack of resource, i say hogwash,we got cctv use it, simple.
Can't argue wi what you say Cashy!..But also at an attempt to be realistic..just have a look at Blackburn for example...how much seating (free seating) do they currently provide?.......Compared to Accrington i'd say not much at all!..We do have seats on Broadway, & in the Market Hall!!..All we are talking about here are a couple of benches!!!!!!!..Yes agreed its the wrong way forward...but my God, is it really such a big issue?

Best Regards - Taggy

Taggy 04-11-2011 23:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945050)
Well, I live on the outskirts and I've not found it a "nightmare"...yet!
Twas quite rough in some areas between Heaton Moor & Heaton Chapel last time i was there!

Best Regards - Taggy

Taggy 04-11-2011 23:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 945047)
But it is the town centre Taggy, these drunks being yon, aint exactly been encouraging to visitors, have they? therefore local traders suffer, a town centre is were people come n people shop.
Sorry Cashy but if we are just talking about the Benches again...then. no i don't actually believe that's putting people off coming into Accrington Town Centre!..What i do believe that's putting people off coming into Accrington these days..is that Accrington itself...in fact Northern England in general. is becoming full of low life's because of the decline in investment in the area..bigger question i know!

Put it this way...if you were an independant trader wanting to set up...what say a market business today in a North West Town..i'd love you to tell me, what that buiness would be..& in which Town you'd set up in?...I'd be ruddy lost to come up with an answer!

Best Regards - Taggy

flashy 05-11-2011 05:11
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There's only 1 bench in Blackburns new market now and about 5 in the Mall, about 3 near Mcdonalds/HMV and a few on Church street and there's still a couple left near the old Market where the 'can people' sit

garinda 05-11-2011 06:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945053)
no i don't actually believe that's putting people off coming into Accrington Town Centre!.
Well since I'm not in the habit of telling lies, there's at least one, plus his mother.

Who, health permitting, don't now always shop in Accrington twice a week, as we did.

I've admitted my reasons are selfish, because I've genuinely been grateful to sit there, on at least half a dozen occasions.

The only time we've ever had a problem with drinkers, was when we were shouted at by some, who were acting the fool, whilst sat on the benches in Church St.

Neil 05-11-2011 06:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945048)
.........Nope, don't accept this "it's the way modern society is" excuse for HBC's hamfisted attempt to tackle the towncentre drinkers by punishing the innocent with the guilty by depriving all of the amenities.
I actually feel a little sorry for HBC. I suspect this course of action by them is an attempt by the Council to deal with a problem that really should be dealt with by the police.

Members of the public breaking the law is a police issue not a council issue in most cases.

Look at the buses only bit of road in front of the town hall. The police dont do anything about the cars and vans that drive down that road - even the police drive down it themselves. The talk about opening the road up again looks to me like a council way of dealing with the police not enforcing the law again.

cashman 05-11-2011 07:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 945057)
I actually feel a little sorry for HBC. I suspect this course of action by them is an attempt by the Council to deal with a problem that really should be dealt with by the police.

Members of the public breaking the law is a police issue not a council issue in most cases.

Look at the buses only bit of road in front of the town hall. The police dont do anything about the cars and vans that drive down that road - even the police drive down it themselves. The talk about opening the road up again looks to me like a council way of dealing with the police not enforcing the law again.
I agree neil it should be the police, at the same time the police never made the descision to remove em though, n thats very poor in my view,;)

Neil 05-11-2011 07:55
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
Damned if they do damned if they don't is something I have been saying for years about HBC. If those that should don't, then someone else ends up trying to sort the problem out.

cashman 05-11-2011 08:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 945065)
Damned if they do damned if they don't is something I have been saying for years about HBC. If those that should don't, then someone else ends up trying to sort the problem out.
True but the police aren't voted in,therefore it ends up wi those that were, which don't detract from the fact it was a daft way of sorting the problem, so the council should hold there hands up n restore em in my view.

garinda 05-11-2011 08:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 945065)
Damned if they do damned if they don't is something I have been saying for years about HBC. If those that should don't, then someone else ends up trying to sort the problem out.
Although I still wouldn't agree with their removal, as I don't think it addresses the real problem, we are told the benches are to be returned, at some, as yet, unspecified date in the future.

I honestly don't see any logic in that.

As it is just a short term solution, to one specific site, when the problem with drinkers isn't confined to one place. They also create a nuisance in Church St., on Broadway, and as Busman posted, in Peel St.

jaysay 05-11-2011 08:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 944964)
Quite agree, there are laws governing & controlling this type of anti social behaviour but they aren't being adequately & vigorously applied. I'm pretty sure that if I did some kind of anti social behaviour over here the GCP (German Plod) would have some rather pertinent comments to make backed up with a rap from his truncheon & if I continued the belligerence it'd be guns & cuffs & off to the pokey to reflect on my errant ways. ;)
:eek::eek::eek:Hell Dave you can't do that here mate law and behold, there are lawyers making millions milking the human rights of these poor misguided souls, funny really that nobody ever thinks of the rights of say Rindi, who only wants to sit down and have a rest whilst going about his daily business, well it now appears he is doing his daily business elsewhere, and stuck two fingers up the the bench nickers:rolleyes:

jaysay 05-11-2011 08:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 945068)
Although I still wouldn't agree with their removal, as I don't think it addresses the real problem, we are told the benches are to be returned, at some, as yet, unspecified date in the future.

I honestly don't see any logic in that.

As it is just a short term solution, to one specific site, when the problem with drinkers isn't confined to one place. They also create a nuisance in Church St., on Broadway, and as Busman posted, in Peel St.
The bottom line is Rindi, that removing these benches is, as a comperison, like somebody sweeping the dirt under the carpet, the dirts still there, but it looks cleaner

Neil 05-11-2011 08:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 945067)
True but the police aren't voted in.....

We expect them to do their job though

cashman 05-11-2011 08:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 945077)
We expect them to do their job though
Perhaps a poor choice of word? We "Hope" they do there job.;)

Wynonie Harris 05-11-2011 08:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945052)
Twas quite rough in some areas between Heaton Moor & Heaton Chapel last time i was there!

Best Regards - Taggy
That's the posh bit, Taggy! I live in Heaton Mersey and the only hooligan around these parts is me! ;)

jaysay 05-11-2011 09:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945088)
That's the posh bit, Taggy! I live in Heaton Mersey and the only hooligan around these parts is me! ;)
Take it your the only Stanley fan around yon then Wyn;)

Wynonie Harris 05-11-2011 09:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 945089)
Take it your the only Stanley fan around yon then Wyn;)
No chance! Lew Carroll, our esteemed merchandising manager lives just up the road. We're here, we're there... :D

jaysay 05-11-2011 09:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945093)
No chance! Lew Carroll, our esteemed merchandising manager lives just up the road. We're here, we're there... :D
Ya everywhere but the Crown on a Saturday afternoon;):D:D

Wynonie Harris 05-11-2011 09:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 945097)
Ya everywhere but the Crown on a Saturday afternoon;):D:D
Below the belt, that one, Jay. :(

Taggy 05-11-2011 09:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 945056)
Well since I'm not in the habit of telling lies, there's at least one, plus his mother.

Who, health permitting, don't now always shop in Accrington twice a week, as we did.

I've admitted my reasons are selfish, because I've genuinely been grateful to sit there, on at least half a dozen occasions.

The only time we've ever had a problem with drinkers, was when we were shouted at by some, who were acting the fool, whilst sat on the benches in Church St.
Gary i'm certainly not saying anyone is telling lies, & as i say myself & pretty much everyone from what i can see, agree's the decision is the wrong one, & perhaps i'm using a very broad stoke in describing things, as i accept if you say its putting you off coming to Accrington town centre, then it must be.

However leaving the removal to one side for the moment then, where is it where you are going to shop in the locality now, that provides more free seating than Accrington town centre. I don't really know of anywhere, so i'm trying to draw a comparison between other towns.

Best Regards - Taggy

Taggy 05-11-2011 09:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945088)
That's the posh bit, Taggy! I live in Heaton Mersey and the only hooligan around these parts is me! ;)


Ah, that perhaps explains why you can always get a seat in Stockport then Wynonie, i'd certainly make room for the only hooligan in the village too!:D

Best Regards - Taggy

Michael1954 05-11-2011 09:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945102)
Gary i'm certainly not saying anyone is telling lies, & as i say myself & pretty much everyone from what i can see, agree's the decision is the wrong one, & perhaps i'm using a very broad stoke in describing things, as i accept if you say its putting you off coming to Accrington town centre, then it must be.

However leaving the removal to one side for the moment then, where is it where you are going to shop in the locality now, that provides more free seating than Accrington town centre. I don't really know of anywhere, so i'm trying to draw a comparison between other towns.

Best Regards - Taggy
Burnley has plenty of free seating.

Taggy 05-11-2011 09:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 945106)
Burnley has plenty of free seating.
I'll check that out next time i go, but i honestly don't go to Burnley often, just don't like the feel of the place really, it certainly felt pretty run down last time i visited.

Best Regards - Taggy

Wynonie Harris 05-11-2011 09:48
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
Right, Taggy, I'm on my way up now, so if you're sat on Broadway supping cider with your mates, I'll be expecting you to budge up! ;)

Michael1954 05-11-2011 09:53
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 945107)
I'll check that out next time i go, but i honestly don't go to Burnley often, just don't like the feel of the place really, it certainly felt pretty run down last time i visited.

Best Regards - Taggy
Since mum's stroke in 2009 I find it the easiest place to take her for shopping outings. Easy parking on the Millennium car park and only a short walk to the shops without having to cross roads. There are plenty of benches for a sit down and so far not seen any problems with drinkers etc.

Taggy 05-11-2011 09:54
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945108)
Right, Taggy, I'm on my way up now, so if you're sat on Broadway supping cider with your mates, I'll be expecting you to budge up! ;)
Sorry Wynonie, i'm Blackburn bound today!...i wasn't but i am now that is!! Lol!

Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay 05-11-2011 10:07
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 945098)
Below the belt, that one, Jay. :(
Oh come on Wyn I did use two smileys not just one:D

jaysay 05-11-2011 10:08
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 945106)
Burnley has plenty of free seating.
Oh come on Michael do you want to sit wi Dingles:D

Michael1954 05-11-2011 11:34
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 945117)
Oh come on Michael do you want to sit wi Dingles:D
For my sins, I was a regular at Turf Moor during the 1970s when Burnley were in the old Division 1. Having said that, I don't know anything about football!

lancsdave 05-11-2011 11:39
Re: HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market
 
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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 945109)
Since mum's stroke in 2009 I find it the easiest place to take her for shopping outings. Easy parking on the Millennium car park and only a short walk to the shops without having to cross roads. There are plenty of benches for a sit down and so far not seen any problems with drinkers etc.
And once again it's worth considering what makes other town centres more hospitable. It's not just the facilites, it's the fact they don't have drop in centres for the deadbeats as part of the town centre. It's a fact that can't be ignored :mad:


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