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Is it going to have seating, in this state of the art bus station?

At least the druggies, and pish heads will have somewhere dry to frolic.

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We've seen many (woefully expensive) 'improvements' to the town over the last twenty years.

The majority of which have improved nothing, and have been mainly detrimental to the place.

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All decisions made by councillors. I think we may have just discovered the answer how to improve the town :D

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As I said earlier I would have like to see the stalls where the shelters are and a proper market square. However the proposed carpark should help with trade in the market.

Agreed but ist hat any reason to give up?

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Yes, when it's funded by ten million pounds, of peoples' hard earned taxes.

When there'll be no discernible benefits for the town.

I really can't be bothered searching, but in one of these threads I costed out how the money would be better spent improving the actual bus service, as well as employing twenty odd inspectors for the next forty years.

Moving the bus station won't encourage one more person onto a bus to visit the town.

Preston's (once state of the art) bus station is currently facing demolition.

All the times I went to Preston by bus, the bus station was never the actual draw.

By the way, this doesn't constitute a transport interchange.

You'll still have to walk the lovely route from the train station.

;)

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Most, no all, of the recent improvements, have been costly, and have improved nothing.

It's worse than before.

So yes.

If something's going to be 'improved', but isn't, it's all rather pointless, and stupid.

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The council, the last one, spent God knows how much of our money putting a fancy surface down on Broadway and within weeks the blooming stuff was coming off........the contractors had to be called back to re-surface a stretch of it....the surface is only millimetres thick and is off in a few places(still)......it looks really elegant(not).
This was supposed to improve the aesthetics of the town........it was our money, very badly spent, on something that benefits no-one.

When the council are planning these improvements I really do wish they would spend the money as if it were coming out of their own back pocket instead of what I sometimes think they think is a bottomless purse.

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We build a Gulag (top of Whinney Hill would be my choice) where we imprison the great unwashed of Accy - don't allow them to reproduce and eventually they'll die out.....!
The rest of us just carry on as normal...might not solve all the problems but the place is gonna look a whole lot tidier.
Might make me want to hang around a bit longer on a Saturday instead of doing the a "commando raid" at the market before shooting off home....(yes I actually do the shopping!!!)

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The Broadway 'improvements', or as I call them, a couple of stupid brushed steel non-gates, and a few badly designed hemroid inducing benches, 'only' cost half a million pounds.

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I think one of the problems is similar to what we faced in a couple of houses we have lived in which were getting on for 200 years old. They had been done up, improved, whatever over the years.

We found that the original buildings were sound but most of the so called improvements had to be ripped out or scrapped.

The same could be said of Accrington - some lovely old buidings with a lot of modern work which is not fit for purpose. I except the 60s market which was one of the better modern ideas.

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Little minds, miss playing with their little toys.

It amuses them to play about with the town.

They don't care where the money's coming from.

When it comes to planning, and strategy, we're dealing with amateurs, to put it politely.

To put it less politely, when it comes to vitality, vision, and common sense, most people we have in power would struggle to muster an erection in a brothel.

If these postions were salaried, rather than electable, most councillors wouldn't get a reply to their application, nevermind the chance for a first interview.

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I agree.

The sixties market was, at the time, a fairly radical design, and should have been preserved at all cost. A bonus of which would be the market wouldn't now be dead on it's arse.

Instead we have generic toy town architecture, who only a plank like Prince Charles would think was an improvement.

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So it's the people not the place that's the problem... you could be right, brave man for saying so. :hidewall:

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Got it in one :D

Everytime I bring this up you get the impression some people think I see things others don't. The town will always be on it's heels no matter how much you spend on infrastructure as long as certain establishments on Abbey St make it worthwhile for them to stay around, and the council have a bye-law which states no alchohol and they do nothing to enforce it.

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I'll be okay, because the great unwashed of Accy don't come on here....

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Lucky for me I only come into town once a week, whereas you have to work there!

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They do enforce it.

They remove any benches, within twenty five feet, where alkies/druggies might once have had a little skuffle.

It's 'experimaental'.

Took a great mind to come up with that.

Which is why everyone, bar the numpty on the council who came up with it, finds it hard to fathom.

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I work to avoid daytime tv and end up watching Jeremy Kyle Street Version everyday :D

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Oh i take it yeh mean the "Wall To Wall" scum that infest like a load of lice? is what i would say if i was to tell the truth.:D;)but being a diplomat i shan't.

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You know these great unwashed who lurk around Abbey St, allow the elderly nun to walk down into Accrington to get their provisions....and she returns up Infant St loaded down with bags, in the misguided belief that she is 'helping' these dozy scroungers, who probably have not vacated their pits.

They need kicking up the proverbial and made to go out and get their own groceries, pies sandwiches...whatever, instead of allowing this woman to be loaded like a pack horse.

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Not like you to understate something, get to the point :D

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Don't like when its the season of goodwill.:D

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I have said similar many times.
Do you think it would be any better if employed Officers were making the decisions and we got rid of local Councillors altogether?

Should Councillors have to pass some sort of exam before they can sit on committees and make decisions?

Should we who elect them be able to kick them out before the usual 4 years if they prove themselves useless?

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(1) think it probably would be better. (2) no, (3) don't think thats a good idea, cos theres to many knobheads about, my reason fer no in (2) is reckon n interview fer the post should define that answer.

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I think Overview and Scrutiny should not have any councillors on it at all.

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Ya I saw those gates on my first trip to Accy for years earlier this summer and I had to say to my self, what a bloody waste of money. I actually think that a yardstick for any councillor when they embark on these projects would be to ask themselves this question, "If I was paying for this out of my own pocket would I be going ahead with it" I think you'll find very few of these hair brained schemes would ever get off the drawing board;)

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Again I found out first had how the Abbey Street project has got out of hand, there is an old say I could think of, but it would they delighted if I posted it, its regarding toilet procedures, something which would cover this stupidity

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And whats more refuses to explain why it was carried out, after all we're only the council tax payers, why should we have the right to know on what and why they are spending our money:mad:

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Well with the system we have at the moment, there is a chance to change the council on three of the four years of the political cycle, but with this system I don't see how people can remove an individuel within the election 4 year cycle unless they counterman council rules.

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But who would you have on it Neil and how would you go about selecting them, have an election maybe:rolleyes:

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How much:eek: -talk about money for old rope....

The benches must be in real Carrara marble then - that would explain why they stay so wet when it rains and marble being so hard and cold is not ideal for sitting on if you are prone to certain embarassing problems.

Perhaps they are a cunning deterrant, employed by HBC to keep certain un-wanted elements from seating themselves on Broadway.

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There wasn't anyone sat on them today. They were covered in puddles, about four hours after it last rained/sleeted.

Everyone who needed a seat on Broadway was perched on the round flower beds.

Those marble benches are an appallingly bad piece of design.

Did sit on the wooden benches on Church Street, the ones similar to the ones taken away from outside the Market Hall, as an 'experiment'. They were dry to sit on.

Didn't see any alkies whilst siting there today.

Just as I never saw any personally outside the Market Hall, when we were lucky enough to be able to sit there...before the madness set in.

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Groove agrees about them silly marble benches...they're always full o puddles. None of the jakeys sit drinkin on the benches now simply because its too cold.

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To answer that I would need to know more about how it works. I just feel that having councillors checking on councillors is a bit like letting a fox look after a chicken house.

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Ya but how would you appoint the scrutineers, you can't just pic any Tom Dick or Abdul out of the street and say hey just run your beadies over this meeting will ya:rolleyes:

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What do the scrutineers do and what guidelines do they work to?

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Well as far as I'm aware they make sure that the cabinet are keeping to the rules set down, but I think the only explanation about why its done and what the parameters are, we would have to ask one of our councillor members, which is very hard work seeing they don't set foot on here anymore just in case they are asked to explain there actions:rolleyes:;) When I was involved it was still the committee system of local government not this Cabinet bull shine.:(

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I see permission has now been given to compulsary purchase the land..

Land order agreed for Accrington bus station (From Lancashire Telegraph)


I'm glad they listened to peoples views:rolleyes:

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What is going to happen to the old bus station site?

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It will just be another tumbleweed space in what used to be the town centre

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Perhaps the lap dancers might catch the bus to work.

From Burnley.

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why does accy need a new bus station are they after another look we blew loads on something we didnt need like they did with the market and then teh market hall

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They know whats best for the town :rolleyes:

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Well of course they do Dave, who elects them:rolleyes:

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You guys have tumbleweed:eek: I don't remember that.:confused:

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The next step in the white elephant plans

Tender Opp: Blackburn and Accrington Bus Stations | Chamber View

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Who decide that it would cost 4 mill to build a bus station.
I thought firms had to put in tenders for the work, & they would come up with a price. Can't get my head round this fiasco.
If they build it there, then Union St will be a bus lane, front of Clown Hall will have to be reopened to traffic again, then getting out of Eagle St will be nigh on impossible, traffic backed up to Tesco, getting out of Willow St, at Eagle St end, might as well close Willow St. How many accidents in the first few weeks after they complete this cockup.
Retlaw.

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Settle down Walter, these people know what they're doing:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::roll eyes:;)

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I can now see why we need to spend millions on a new bus station.

I took the attached picture at 2.46 on Saturday afternoon, the height of the week regarding shopping in a town centre.

Clearly the bus turning in to Peel St is going to struggle to park up at any of the bus shelters with all those other buses in the way :rolleyes:

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thats a disgrace i cant remember accy being that quiet:confused:

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Probably it will be quieter still,when we get the new bus station, wi it being a bit further away from the market.:eek: Plus Stanley were at home lol

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what are they doing with the present bus station site.maybe a massive market attracting people from out town

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Or maybe repairing previous mistakes n putting loads of benches yon.:D:D:D:D

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or flower towers cashy .... :D:D:D

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or a car park.......for the people who won't come to the dying Arndale and the dead market.

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Perhaps everyone's gone on holiday -do they still have traditional Accrington holidays, as of old?

Am i right in remembering it was in July?

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It's the norm. Saturday has become our quietest day of the week. The bus station is often devoid of buses any day of the week. Just been and looked now 8.45am, there is one bus on a stand, ...... rush hour :)

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How much effect has the maundy village had on the demise of the town centre Dave, it seems that the bigger it grows the quieter the town centre becomes:confused:

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Not anymore, Wakes week was a tradition started when the mill towns in the area had 100% employment.
Now that 95% of Accrington are on the dole or other forms of benefit, nobody can take a holiday.

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Is that the same 95% who don't give a toss about Europe Less:rolleyes:

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There are no problems in the town centre caused by Maundy Village soon to be City, they are a figment of peoples imaginations :D:D:D

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I have a random percentage generator Add-on attached to my browser (to ensure statistical accuracy) it's seems to be stuck on 95% and 95% of me just can't be bothered to fix it.
:)

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Um feel sorry for the other 5% Less:D

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:confused::confused:Is there planning permission for more premises in the offing Dave:D

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Just been in Leigh town centre - it's a similar sort of place to Accy, similar size and socio-economic make up, sandwiched between two bigger towns (Wigan & Bolton), although the architecture's not as nice (no magnificent Victorian market hall or arcade etc).

The big difference is that on an average Monday morning it's far, far busier than Accy is on a Saturday afternoon. In fact, every town I go to, large or small, is busier than Accy now. I wonder why? :confused:

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The other half shops in Leigh on a regular basis Wyn in fact I used to go with her at one time, nout special as you say but very very busy

Accrington's new bus station "to be"
 

Well, the signs are now up on some of the lamp posts in Union Street. Hope you can read what it says.

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i think i can make out " final nail in accrington town centers coffin" but thats about it

shops closing left right and center and the council are still pushing this garbage through

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Do these people even live on the same place we do?
I went to town today, with Mrs BG parked in the Arndale, walked past the Mobile Phone, cheap cards, cheap mobile accessories, eon trying very hard to sell me gas and electric(no thanks were coop). The Arndale is getting emptier every day, I saw H Samuals has now gone!! Went past the bus station..... Up Blackburn rd to Argos, yet more empty shops.

And they think we need a new bus station!

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I actually think the question to ask accywebbers is how often do you use buses, I haven't time to night but I might just do a thread tomoz asking just that question or a more drawn out one, cover regularly to never

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maybe add an option to cover people using buses to go elsewhere because my money is on more people using buses to go out of town rather than towards it

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Ya good idea accyman

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Most of those making the decisions probably don't even know where Accrington is. In fact now you mention it, maybe it's all planned to take people out of Accrington and in to other towns. Whats the betting there is a regular service to Preston when it's finished :rolleyes:

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I really can't see anyone want ing to come to Accrington for anything, other than perhaps to visit relatives...the Market is abysmal, likewise the Market Hall.

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you cant really expect much better from a council that let a man who didnt even have a provisional driving licence design our 1 way system.I believe they off loaded him onto blackburn where he has recently screwed that place up as well although he may now own a driving licence.

i am assuming this new station came to be under the last administration ?

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From what I can tell it's county council driven, with HBC rubber stamping it afetr getting full agreement from everybody in Hyndburn. ;)

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Must have been in Nineteen Canteen when they asked me, a rather foggy period:rolleyes:

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Here is the application, if anyone cares to read it

Case File

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Aint read that lot, but can see nothing about any consultation in em.

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It looks quite good.