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Maybe its time to start a thread on this subject.
I have already mentioned that I have "picked up" today that the reason a fashion shop in Union Street has closed (near to Abbey National/Santander) is because it could be due to be demolished to make a "walk way" through to what would be the new bus station at the bottom of School Street. Then this was in the local paper a few weeks back: Accrington town centre roads plan to boost trade (From Lancashire Telegraph) and then there is this to look at: http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http:/...queaT9i3epgSSQ |
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What a stupid place to site a bus station.
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It has been discussed before but don't think it's had it's own thread.
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I asked the question of somebody the other day, Hyndburn has a Town Centre manager. should it not be part of his job to at least get the views of the town centre businesses. |
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'A bid to fund the scheme is to be submitted to the government in September.'
Hopes are high for a new bus station | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk Might be there now, if they stuck a first class stamp on it. |
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'The new bus station should encourage more use of the public transport network and lead to greater numbers of visitors to Accrington Town Centre.'
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...ion_Report.pdf Ambiguous word, 'should'. Personally I much prefer 'will', and evidence as to why. |
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hang on the bust station we have isnt exactly old is it ?
surely if money is to be given to make accy center better the money could be spent on something other than a new bus station we dont need.Its still going to have teh same grotty busses so what exactly is going to be so appealing about getting off a grotty bus in a different part of town ? How about forcing all betting establishments to the outside of town center for straters and reducing rates/rent or whatever so that small buisnesses can set up rather than a sea of betting shops and cheap shops. not really thought about it in great depth but the least important thing accy center needs is a new bus station |
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Out with negativity. Be a bit more of an 'Internationalist'. Moving the bus station...again, some high-tech signage, and some fancy brushed steel non-gates and barriers, decorated with acorns, will really put Accy on the map. There'll soon be bus loads of people arriving in the town. Poland, Romania, Azerbaijan. It's a win/win situation. |
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The debate over the bus station was a farce. The former Council Leader stifled the debate eventually leading to a withdrawal of bus companies from the TC Regeneration Board. The newspapers ran headlines and facts were lost in the fog about the 'Council leader refuses to relocate bus station' and complaints about his shop ownership on Peel Street savaged any reasonable discussion.
Peter Britcliffe wanted Peel Street even though there had been a fatality and no-one else wanted it except a few shoppers who used buses and liked thheveryone proximity. The engineers, the bus companies, LCC, other bus users and regular contributors and knowledgeable local people did not want Peel Street. Two sites were drawn up. I was in the minority in wanting Abbey Street at junction with Infant street because of it's scope for access, regeneration. I didn't think it ideal and the case for Crawshaw street, the other shortlisted site accepted by all, including other Tories except PeterB who was silenced now after a Standards Board complaint. The Council never fully endorsed this and as part landowners effectively blocked progress. The architects of the bid, LCC and BwD persued the bid and bouyed by an incoming Council willing to make progress the revised scheme has picked up support bar minor contentions. Crawshaw Street is not big enough and moves the TC further north. The same LCC engineers wrongly criticised for having no common sense and no idea but who successfully reengineered Whitebirk roundabout and to a lesser degree were successful with Eagle Street following Tescos planning application have said they can manage the tight bus station site. We have to have accept they have done a good job on our behalf so far and deserve credit not destructive criticism. The land deals have now been sorted. the new progressive Council is ensuring that it is part of a bigger picture and done with all involved having an opportunity to contribute to a thoughtful process at the newly created Public Transport Forum (open to all). Crawshaw Street has advantages. Nearest to TC. Near train station for complementary patronage, an argument I don't support, and good access to road network. There is no other site. The new Council has already stated the Blackburn Road is a priority with the reciept from Tesco's and that opening access in front of the town hall will now be looked into with the view that it will be opened up both ways. As for Peel Street and the Market Hall my view is clear. It will get more trade if we can allow adjacent car parking for people wishing to use an easier (and better) alternative to supermarkets. This whole debate forgets that in 2001 PeterB made the catrostrophic decision to do away with the old market and build that uneccesssary monstrosity which led the bus lane for Blackburn buses being built on for the new stalls. That decision alone has determined where we are now, not where we would like to be. PS as a newly elected Councillor I totally opposed that development and said so!! Sent from mobile |
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In reality, if you're a full fare paying passenger, it's cheaper to travel to Accrington by taxi, from anywhere within Hyndburn, than it is going there on the bus.
Still, once this has been pushed through, all the considerable costs will soon be forgotton, as we witness the hoards of people flocking into Accrington, because the bus station's been moved. :rolleyes: |
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Cynical and very 'conservative' thinking! Great places move on and evolve.
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i agree with what Graham has said about the Market Hall getting more custom if a car park is put in the vacinity, isn't that a good thing?
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Ok if you have access to a car, but for those elderly and infirm, the bus station being moved down to Crawshaw St. does the Market and the Market hall no favours at all.
With this development I can see the Market hall becoming a vast mausoleum to the trade that once went on in that splendid building. It would make far more sense to demolish the market that is situated on the Peel St site and turn that into the Bus Station(this serves the Town centre well and would preserve trade in Little Blackburn Road, Church St....and it doesn't move the centre of the town) The stalls that are currently on the Peel St side of the market could be situated on Broadway.......making Broadway a bit more vibrant and centralising commerce. Leave the centre of the town where it is......complete with easy public transport access...for the many who use public transport. |
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wherever the bus station is going to be in Accrington won't stop outsiders coming into the town, i love the place and would rather shop in Accy than my own town so i don't see a problem (as an outsider) in where the new bus station is to be placed
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Well Flashy, maybe that is because you are young and fit........there are many who aren't and for those, it will take trade away from the Market and the Market hall.
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The older people are traditionally, who still shop in the Market Hall....because it is what they have always done.
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As for 'very (lower case) conservative', after recovering from a laughing fit, I read 'realism - that comes from not being half-blinded by wearing party political blinkers. ;) Movement, and evolution for the sake of it, DO NOT necessarily equal greatness. As evidence we only have to look at the many changes that Accrington has been subjected to over the decades, and then take a moment to ponder if this evolution has achieved the status of the town being 'great'. I've pondered. Despite the umpteen 'improvements' we've seen, the town centre's far from being in great shape. |
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The outside market died when they knocked the last one down
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Despite what some of our politicans think, just because something's changed, doesn't necessarily mean the result will be better than before. The outside market is a very sad example of this sort of 'evolution'. |
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Straw grasping, a bit pathetic, but hilarious enough to have brightened my day. Thanks. ;) :rofl38: |
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Personally I see very few of our decision makers out shopping in the town centre, market, or Market Hall, on my twice weekly visits to Accrington. I did see a suprising number shopping in a town centre supermarket recently, whilst stood there collecting for a charity. :rolleyes: |
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;) Though one or two were laden down with vast amounts of shopping. :rolleyes: |
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Whinge, whinge, whinge. Unfair...gerrymandering...wicked Tories...out to unseat newly elected Labour members in northern seats. The cynic in me would much rather the newspaper had been used to stress how badly the people who live here will be affected, if the area's not united by being represented by our own, single M.P., and therefore more likely to succeed in garnering public support to fight the recommendation. Rather than how it came across. Poor me. Victim of Tory guile. |
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Looked up Crawshaw St. on Google maps as i wasn't sure exactly where it was. It would move the bus station nearer to the Arndale Center and would not therefore have any benefit to trade in the Abbey St. area at all, which is what the original proposal was setting out to do supposedly. If the council want to make the Market Hall stalls viable surely they need to funnel in the bus users nearby - I don't know, but I imagine the rents are higher now in the Market Hall since it has been so beautifully "done-up".
Would it not be cheaper just to rennovate the current bus station and spend some money on the Public toilets there -I think I saw on here that they want to close them down(?)... |
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Just a question - but does anyone know the bus routes yet?
I only ask because surely it's irrelevant where the final destination is as long as buses pass by and drop off outside the market. The bus station could be completely outside of town as long as all the buses go through the centre. |
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...and if that's the case, presumably everyone's going to be queueing outside the market, when they want to catch the bus home. Making the relocation of the bus station pretty pointless. |
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I wonder what calculations/questionaires/consultations they've done on that sort of thing? I have to be honest and say that I'm neither for or against the move at the moment. Partly because I rarely use the bus (I do sometimes but it's the exception rather than the rule) and partly because I don't think I've got enough information to decide on. I didn't like it when they cut it in half as I thought that made it more dangerous so I can see the need to making a bigger bus station. I like the idea of a car park near the market as well as that could benefit some people. But, I can also see how the market users are more often than not the ones who need the access to a bus to be close by. |
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There's no bus station in London, the place with the U.K.'s heaviest bus usage. All the depots are spread out in suburbia. I was just pointing out that it's not just a matter of people alighting from buses, it's the fact there'll be queues of people waiting to depart from the town centre too. Therefore why move it from it's present site? Need more room? Plenty of room where the empty market stalls now stand. Personally I can see no positives in relocating the bus station to a totally different site...yet again. I can see negatives. Mainly cost, and the fact that struggling, forgotten parts of the town, such as the areas accessed via the Arcade, will become even more isolated if the bus station's moved further away from the town centre. To be honest the whole idea sounds like some whiny little boys wanting to trade in their old toy cars and garage for a brand new shiny one, and beggar the cost, because they aren't paying. |
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Buses are also pricing themselves out of the market, I reckon they will be less of them rather than more. Transdev in particular will suffer at some point, and the bosses of that company won't think twice about reducing bus numbers. |
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On the drawing board is a large bus stop at the current site somewhere to get on and off. Clearly for Hyndburn West residents (and further) this won't help.
I am sure Peel Street would have remained the bus station had the pavilions not taken up the space back 2002. Since then there is overcrowding on stops, breaking of rules on laying over and bus sprawl up Infant Street and Bridge Street. When everyone including bus users have signed up to the new site, I cannot see it being rolled back. I take on board the point that bus users who use the market hall will be inconvenienced by this and there will be quite a few. Car parking does favour the young and more affluent (sounds odd?) but the car parking potential is significant and opens up traffic/trade to the south of the TC. I also think there are a lot of good suggestions to increase trade. New people, new ideas and certainly a new spirit of working together for the best. Issues at hand, people hanging around, shoppers with little money (read £ shops), nice buildings - shame about the rest of the look, Blackburn Rd around Davies's, awful redesign of Broadway, undesirable premises such as amusement arcades, isolation of Warner St and Abbey Street, old arcade, Church Street, night scene, lack of recognised brand shops, 2-16 Broadway, bus station onto Blackburn Rd, bus stop at Peel Street as mentioned, opening town hall to two way traffic, Cannon Street and more. If only we hadn't built over the Blackburn bus lane! |
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My own view is that ample car parking adjacent to the Market Hall might be it's making but it's a big decision because what happens if they don't come. We could look at car parking restrictions tied into patronage but I do not know the best and easiest way that could be done.
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Why can't broadway be used for the market stalls its wasted space anyway this would then make more room for the bus station
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Disabled parking doesn't help if you do not have a car.
If you are reliant on public transport, and let's face it a lot of the elderly are....they the market hall may lose their custom. It is Ok walking from Crawshaw Street with an empty bag, but try the same walk with some meat, a bag of spuds and a loaf of bread. As for the suggestion of their being bus stops adjacent to the market.......well doesn't that just defeat the object of moving the bus station to Crawshaw St. I still think that my formula is best....most sensible, and certainly the most user friendly...but then what do I know??????? |
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That was my suggestion ages ago. |
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Here's a radical idea.
1 move the pavilions on to Broadway out side the town hall, this solves the traffic problem there. 2 restore to bus station to it's former glory. Oh hang on, that's too much like comon sense |
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It must be common, since quite a few of us have thought of it. |
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One thing I would say about the traffic though is that it's a darn sight better than Blackburn's current fiasco! |
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The current policy was arrived at through compromise and I am still not satisfied with the way the debate occurred. However bus users (who attended), bus companies, LCC, highways, HBC, transport specialists have all agreed on Crawshaw Street so how an agreement can be rolled back or where it will take us other than a non-agreement.
For thread catch up, I lament the white elephant Wilkinsons which has caused this problem (and which I was stridently against) and my choice was not Crawshaw Street. I accept the criticisms being made here, I made them! I had little support at the the time so I have to accept the will of the majority if progress is to be made. The issue is twofold and I know this is repetitive and harsh but a democratic Council is everything, forget Party politics. We did not have that at the time and that harsh lesson must spread outwards. Secondly, when forums are set up to make progress in an open way, people must attend, or show interest, or follow up and give feedback. Responding to banner newspaper headlines becomes an 'after the Lords Mayor Show'. There seems to be misconceptions about the project which emanate form a poor debate with too much disinformation. This is not a Council project. HBC are not in a realistic position to say "Stop" and "Progress elsewhere". It is not their scheme, they are only consultee's and the planning authority (bound by laws not choices). County own the scheme with BwD, own the land, own the agenda. Geoff Driver CC Leader has refused to come to Hyndburn Council to discuss the matter. If roll back were to occur how is LCC being influenced? How are bus users whom are for it being influenced? How are the Government going to be influenced? How are bus companies being swayed? BwD, who has wrote to them complaining as a lead organisation? who has the knowledge to sway specialists in bus transport who favour Crawshaw Street as a 'obvious choice'? If we want to make Hyndburn better, especially where there are a multitude of interested parties, people must rise to the occasion. Which comes back to democracy. Why the new Council has set up new forums, one on Transport that meet frequently and are open discussions. We (The Labour Party) have to help people express their view. |
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I hear what you are saying but is difficult for some transport users to attend meetings.......were these consultation meetings ever publicised? I don't remember seeing any publicity about them.......the people who use public transport are usually the elderly and young mums with toddlers and prams.....they are the ones who should have been asked......and these people are the ones who would find it hard to get to meetings.(lots of older people do not venture out of their houses in the evening - I know this from speaking to people my own age and older. Young mums may not attend because of their childcare responsibilities. And then there is always the apathy that creeps in, because people fail to see how it will affect them........maybe not right now, but in the future when they get older and less able to get about)
There should've been a stall on the market with the proposals laid out, and perhaps the proposals in writing for people to take away and respond to by questionaire. I can't see that it is too late until the bus station is actually built and found to be an impractical white elephant. |
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I'm presuming BwD are Blackburn with Darwen council. I understand they were involved in the white elephant bus route thing but why are they dictating where Accrington should have it's bus station and even more incredible how it should have it's road layouts, they can't even get their own right !!
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Even though consultation has taken place, and various bodies are involved, surely H.B.C. have the authority to halt the process, if they so wished?
I don't know why I'm getting so het up. H.B.C. are strongly in favour of having a new bus station, at any cost. Therefore it will happen. We know that when funding for it was dangled like a carrot on a stick, if they backed L.C.C.'s Pennine Reach scheme, which they did. I can't see any positive benefits to Accrington, if the bus station is relocated to Crawshaw St. 'Whilst having a deferential opinion on the wider Pennine Reach scheme, my continued interest lies in seeing a new bus station in Accrington.' Graham Jones MP: Pennine Reach: A scheme still alive and kicking despite media reports as to it's premature demise. Perhaps Graham could clearly set out just what the benefits to the town will be? So when it's all done and dusted, as it inevitably will be, at a later date we the public can evaluate if those that supported the fight for relocating the bus station were right. |
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Personally I'd get rid of the pedestrianised broadway and put the bus station there (think it was like that way back when?). Can't get more central than that. Pedestrianised areas look nice but don't serve any purpose. It's not like we have thousands of pedestrians like the big towns that this planning approach mimics. Road crossing could be easily managed on a bus only street.
Turn the existing bus station into a loitering area/gregg's queue. Put some benches there and the big town sculpture that many people seem to want. Problem solved. My fee for this idea is 10% ;). |
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Looks like it's time for us to move out :(
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As been mentioned before we heard a lot of the comments outside when it was in the news before and they weren't for wanting it moved. I think there's only Katex supports it, she obviously has some power :D |
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Groove has been informed that plans for a new bus station behind Union.St has been given the go ahead and work will start next year.
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What will they do with Peel St.?
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Groove's name is Richard....Head
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'Richard Head' hahahahahaha..... Flashy, Groove thinks your about as funny as a dose of crabs.
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Must admit the artists impression on the front page of the Acrrington Observer amused me, it shows the new bus station, with ONE bus in it :D
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Well, Graham Jones has been saying all along that this new site isn't big enough.
I think the market will die a death and the Market hall will be available to all those who want to use it for arty farty things...it sure as hell won't be a place for trading. |
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Groove agrees with Margaret that this will indeed be the final nails in the coffin of the market/hall....Town centres are struggling in every other town in the country but it seems our council just contribute to the demise. Groove thinks Tesco will benefit from this move and we all know that supermarkets thrive at the expense of the high street. This will make Peel.St, Abbey.St, Church.St and the victorian arcade more isolated from the town centre. Groove is bemused that plans are afoot to spend millions are the arcade, which although a great example of our Victorian past is just a walkway between 2 dying shopping streets and contains a cafe and not much else. The demise of our town centre is shocking, and Groove thinks anyone will travel to Blackburn for shopping instead, unless they only want to use the pound and charity shops.
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It makes me wonder if Tesco had a hand in this Bus station move, (I strongly suspect that it did...Ok you can call me an old cynic)as it moves everyone nearer to their store and away from the geographic centre of the town.....the town hall, the Market, the Market Hall. It would have been just as easy to revert back to how the bus station used to be on Peel St.......the Fish market and the outside stalls on Peel St could have been accommodated in the market hall(making that feel more vibrant and more like a market hall).......the stalls outside Wilkinsons could have gone on Broadway.........again creating a bigger footfall for the shops on Broadway. The moves to apply for a 2.5million pound grant to refurbish the arcade are going to be wasted....as this will be on the outskirts of the town....Warner St and Abbey Street will be given the cold shoulder too. Ah well, that'll be that then.......Dead Accrington...RIP. |
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Yes, I am pleased that the new Bus Station has now got funding, and not the only one, Lancsdave. Most people I talk to think it can only do the town a favour. I have expressed my opinion in other threads, and will not repeat myself as my thoughts are dismissed as slightly 'odd-ball'.
I would have thought that in these time of constrained funding, this represented a significant 'win' for both Accrington and Blackburn. I think these proposals need to be considered in the wider context. Most modern day thinking on major public transport stops/stations is to ensure that they are developed into 'interchanges'; allowing people to change between modes and routes without huge walk/wait times. This increases the number of destinations that public transport users can access within an acceptable travel time without having to run/subsidise lots of different routes (especially the case with bus services). This is actually a logical place for the bus station and, although the central location of the existing bus station is very good, it prevents more appropriate development in the Town Centre. I assume that Accrington residents would like to see a good mix a shops, businesses etc that fuel a thriving Town Centre? Typically bus stations do not deliver high quality development in the surroundings. I am a little bemused that Hyndburn Council would be pursuing the delivery of (another) car park on this site. This site is surely a key development opportunity for Accrington Town Centre. It is surrounding by old buildings, the market and has access points from all directions. A focal square with surrounding shops etc would be far more appropriate. I think if they go ahead and approve a car park then they will regret it in the long term. This is obviously being driven by money. Car parks are traditionally ugly, traffic generating and represent a low value use of land (in the medium/long term) because they generate no business rates for the council. Terrible proposal and it should be resisted. |
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Youu get your lot together and I'll get my lot, meet on Peel St. Only oner way to settle this in true Harry Hill fashion....... fiiigggghhhhht :D One things for sure, whoever does make the decision it won't be a decision made for the benefit of the town, there will be some self interest :rolleyes: |
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As for developing the area which is currently the bus station into a square & more shops, i don't see this as a goer....we can't fill town centre shops as it is! I think the Car Park plan really is the only feasible plan for that area, and will at least help bring people right into the heart of the town centre, which may just help the Market Hall, Market & surrounding shops. Going to be an awful lot of disruption whilst this work is being carried out i guess though, & businesses may fall by the wayside in the meantime. Overall i'd prefer Margaret's idea! Best Regards - Taggy |
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I can see the appeal of an interchange in big places like Manchester and Bury...where people do use different modes of transport to get to their destination - but, Accrington.......come on! The only people who might land by train might be those away supporters visiting Accrington Stanley football matches....and their mind is not on visiting the town centre.
This bus station is a terrible idea....and I know money is constrained and that is why Tesco want as many people as close to their outlet as possible....it would not surprise me in the least, if they got a mini bus shuttle service to run them up the hill. What will it do for trade in the town centre? Zero, nothing, nada, zilch. It will be drastic for businesses in Church St, Warner St, Little Blackburn Rd, Abbey St. These businesses have a tough time as it is......this development will be dire for them. And as for making Peel St. a town square, a focal point...for who exactly....all the people will be on the railway side of town. As for a 'win' in times of financial constraint...that is a laugh...the only winners will be Tesco. Not the population, not the travellers. This is a win I would rather we had lost. It will do the town no favours and could have been far, far better planned with an eye to revitalising the centre of the town. Accrington Town Centre RIP. |
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Sue, I pass the train station regularly on my way up to see Ma...it rarely seems busy.
I just hope that there are a lot more people like you, who feel that this development is in the right place...and are willing to travel into town.......I fear that however much I wish it, it won't happen. I can't see it having much influence on bringing people into the town from outside.......it might take plenty of folk out though, to shop in more attractive compact centres. Blackburn Road is depressing, it has been allowed to become that way. It used to have a good variety of shops....and if you think that bit of Accrington is depressing have a look at the bit going out of town towards Blackburn...it is dire. My main concern is that for the elderly(many of whom shop on the market and in the Market Hall) this bus station will be too far away from where they have traditionally shopped.....the Market and the Market Hall. It shifts the centre of town to where the scenery is dire too...that bit of Blackburn road. |
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There actually seemed to be more taxis around in town than buses so perhaps the current large site of the bus station is no longer needed and the new one will be more suited to the changing face of public transport and the center. As Katex says the current bus station would make a central great square -hopefully not a car-park, there are plenty of other possibilities for development... |
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All depends on who gets the franchise to run the bus station cafe I suppose.:hehetable
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It would make an even greater up to minute bus station......and revitalise the Market and the market hall by filling it instead of having it half empty...and looking unloved.
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Yes, they did.........and they may still have the same facility for shoppers.
I don't know if Tesco have had some input in where the new bus station would be sited, but it will certainly be more to their advantage for it to be in this new site. I don't think there is anything wrong in offering a free bus service to any store......people have the choice as to whether to avail themselves of it......this bus station is different. I don't think the bus users have been listened to. |
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The point to me is simple,whilst wi respect susie n mobertol are only visiting once every Preston Guild n i assume that aint primarily to shop? those that use the town regular e,g. pensioners n stuff, many of those will be greatly incovienanced by siting it yon. i'm in full agreement wi Margaret P on this un, n yes odders yer quite correct asda did used to run free buses.;)
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This new bus station will not inconvenience the young and fit, but it may inconvenience the older people and those with toddlers and prams......these are the people who do use these services.
It will benefit aldi shoppers too....I know something, I wouldn't be trailing up the hill to Tesco, with aldi just across the road and on the level. |
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Please look again where it is to be situated, will not be more than 200 yards to get to it, and passengers will have much further to walk to their homes after they alight at their chosen bus stop.:confused: If they have the energy to do this, as well as trail around the market, sure this 'step and a stride' will be no hardship. They do visit places like M & S too, you know ... can tell that by the clothes they stock; must pay off. At least when they get there, it will be a safer and a more comfortable wait for their bus. Much easier for people with wheelchairs and prams as wider passenger loading areas. Up to the minute information too, to inform passengers of approaching buses, etc. Peel Street is not a bus station, and never was. Now, it is just a nasty, ugly, unsafe, smelly environment. To be exchanged for another seems like madness to me. How many spaces would this proposed car park hold, I wonder ? Car drivers in and out, around and around, coming from all directions to seek a space... utter chaos. To invite more trade into a town, you have to first present the town as aesthetically pleasant, which a square would do. I would definitely linger in a place like this, and might even encourage me to browse the market, which I don't do now... have never liked them. By the way, Margaret, if you look at the 2.5 million for funding for the Victorian Arcade, it also includes improvements to Blackburn Road. |
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Kate, I was never much good at deciphering plans.......so I gave up looking at them.
I know several older people(we shop for one of them) who go into town on the bus and just go in the Market hall, or visit the market....and yes, they do have further to walk to the bus stop at their home, but when they have done this, it has used some of their energy...and they have to do this again on returning home......to you, who are young and fit for your age, this is no hardship....but with your shopping it might just prove to be a step too far...what is a step and a stride for you, is not so for some older people. It is going to take far more than a new bus station and a town square to make Accrington aesthetically pleasing...as I said this bus station might just take peole away to places that fit this description. |
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A square with a children's park, green area, seating, perhaps a fountain or sculpture would be a good idea - I think it would draw more people in the center. Something, dare I say it, a little European in style!
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You mean like the sunken gardens we used to have on Broadway...many years ago...before your time I suspect.
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Well, at least the council are trying to improve our town, and gaining funding.
I still say the bus station is not too far a distance at all. Off your bus, across Union Street, straight into the Arndale .. through Marks, then across to the Market. I think your argument is weak. It will be like one of those things that you don't really want, but once it is there you will love it. Like mobile phones, computers and children :D |
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And is it really that far from the proposed bus stops to the market? I don't believe that people don't have to go to Broadway or the Arndale for some things even if they normally shop in the market. It might help trade in those areas too. We should be encouraging footfall throughout the centre which isn't that big an area rather than confining it to one part. |
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And as I say, that walk is fine for you as you are now...and you can't imagine it being different.....not being strong enough to do it...I do hope it never comes to you...the frailty of age. Some things seem fine on paper...they seem like improvements until they are put into action. I will reserve judgement(I hate mobile phones...don't care for children much, but I do like my computer). |
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As an old-ish person myself I can see the argument but aren't we being a bit selfish? There must be pros for everyone else.
Being cynical, a bit of extra walking is probably good for most folks, oldies included! |
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Sue it is fine if you can walk.......I take Ma out and about and she does try, but she can only walk a few yards.
I am old-ish too and relatively fit, but I have friends who are older and have no other means of transport than the buses and it worries them. I know because they talk about it. As for being selfish....I don't know about you but, these people have never struck me as being selfish.......they worked brought up their children without much help(never asked for it, never wanted it, saw it as their responsibility). As I say, it might not affect the young folk much, apart from perhaps mums with prams and toddlers. Many of the recent 'improvements' to our town have not been up to much...... and before someone comes on and says I am talking the town down...I would say no, I'm not, I am telling it like it is....but maybe it is like the Emperors new clothes...you should keep shtum and smile knowingly. I wish I could! |
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Too right, while most people are only bothered about how far they have to walk to get a bus, some of us have a livelihood ( or eventual lack of it ) to consider :mad: |
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As for the current bus station & peel street being smelly, how do you think the "new" bus station will end up in a few years, backing onto a row of shops on Union Street with an alleyway through, will surely encourage a fair bit of loitering i think. Not much point putting a square in with seating area either, lets not forget the Police can't even maintain a safe environment containing a few benches outside the front of the market hall, they've been shifted because of undesirables at the expense of shoppers! Car parking will get more people into that side of town....they will also have to do something to replace the lost parking spaces where the new station is planned! Best Regards - Taggy |
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