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garinda 18-10-2011 20:20
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 940731)
I would prefer to see our country organised on the lines of Norway or Switzerland .

If anyone can prove to me that this can be done I would go for it .
No need to prove anything.

It is being done.

Get a flight.

See for yourself.

Two economically strong countries.

Two economically strong non E.U. countries, happily existing right now.

garinda 18-10-2011 20:24
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 940731)
I would prefer to see our country organised on the lines of Norway or Switzerland .

If anyone can prove to me that this can be done I would go for it .

I am not pro the EU , despite what I have said .
It is just that at the moment I do not see any viable alternatives . I believe that just to withdraw carries the danger of destroying the livelihoods of millions in this country . I am not prepared to see that .

I voted to leave the EEC in 1975 , but over the many years since then our economy has become so integrated with the economies of other EU countries that any hasty and poorly negotiated withdrawal would cause havoc .

I am just advising caution against precipitate action that could lead us into worse trouble than we are already in .

It's easy come up with anti-EU slogans , but that's not solving anything .
We don't seem to be able to have an informed , protracted discussion about the EU issue . It's what is needed to enable us to form views based on facts and genuine possibilities . That should not be to much to ask for .
I do understand what you're saying.

But soon it will be too late ever to disentangle ourselves from the United States of Europe, and remain an independent nation.

It's now, or never, and since it's only going to get worse for Britain, now's the time.

garinda 18-10-2011 20:29
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 940734)
We don't have the opportunity for these discussions because our elected representatives do not wish us to have discussions.....they think we aren't savvy enough to have discussions....they don't want us queering their pitch on the EU gravy train, when it comes time for them to leave politics in this country.

They don't want the extra brain work that is required to deliver a viable alternative...they want to scare us into thinking that the EU is all there is. That there is no other way.
I agree.

Forget the pros and cons for now.

First we have to force politicans to understand that because we never voted if we wanted E.U. membership, we ask for the right to have a say in our destiny, and demand a
referendum!

entwisi 18-10-2011 20:36
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
Hang on, suddenly you are all in love with the very bankers you are blameing for the world s woes 2 mins ago? You cant have it both ways, either they are evil blood sucking monsters to be shot on sight out they are a thriving lifeblood of the uk economy....

Re the trade agreements, quite simply end go to the relevant countries and say you still want it as it's clearly as good for you as it is for us, if not we'll go elsewhere, russia, china and many others are more than willing to step into the breach.... Please let me know if there is some product that we cant get outside of europe should we need to.

My clear understanding is that back in the 70's the eec was as far abroad as we wanted to look, today the world is a far smaller place.

garinda 18-10-2011 20:39
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Since there's been no evidence of how the U.K. benefits from E.U. membership from the yes voters...so far.

I decided to search for some myself.

All it brings up, when you search for 'U.K. benefits from the E.U.', are stories like this.

EU legal threat to UK benefits changes 'could result in £2bn bill' | Politics | guardian.co.uk

European Union Membership - Annual Cost £65 billion. EU is wasteful and corrupt

BBC News - More Europe migrants to gain access to full UK benefits

It's not good.

garinda 18-10-2011 20:43
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 940738)
Hang on, suddenly you are all in love with the very bankers you are blameing for the world s woes 2 mins ago? You cant have it both ways, either they are evil blood sucking monsters to be shot on sight out they are a thriving lifeblood of the uk economy....

Re the trade agreements, quite simply end go to the relevant countries and say you still want it as it's clearly as good for you as it is for us, if not we'll go elsewhere, russia, china and many others are more than willing to step into the breach.... Please let me know if there is some product that we cant get outside of europe should we need to.

My clear understanding is that back in the 70's the eec was as far abroad as we wanted to look, today the world is a far smaller place.
Who are you saying 'hang on' to?

Have I missed something?

Has someone attacked Britain's financial industry in another thread?

Please clarify what you mean.

garinda 18-10-2011 20:49
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 940738)
Hang on, suddenly you are all in love with the very bankers you are blameing for the world s woes 2 mins ago? You cant have it both ways, either they are evil blood sucking monsters to be shot on sight out they are a thriving lifeblood of the uk economy....
Calm down.

Only an idiot would disagree that the financial industry, based in the City, is an important part of the country's economy, at the moment.

Much to the distaste of Brussels and Berlin.

Who seek to rectify this.

There are good, bad, and stupid financial companies.

Just as there are good, bad, and stupid people.

garinda 18-10-2011 20:53
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 940738)
Hang on, suddenly you are all in love with the very bankers you are blameing for the world s woes 2 mins ago? You cant have it both ways, either they are evil blood sucking monsters to be shot on sight out they are a thriving lifeblood of the uk economy....

Re the trade agreements, quite simply end go to the relevant countries and say you still want it as it's clearly as good for you as it is for us, if not we'll go elsewhere, russia, china and many others are more than willing to step into the breach.... Please let me know if there is some product that we cant get outside of europe should we need to.

My clear understanding is that back in the 70's the eec was as far abroad as we wanted to look, today the world is a far smaller place.
No one's blaming you personally for the world economic crisis, just because you work for a bank.

That'd be like blaming the ship's cat for the sinking of the Titanic.

;)

Margaret Pilkington 18-10-2011 21:18
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 940738)
Hang on, suddenly you are all in love with the very bankers you are blameing for the world s woes 2 mins ago? You cant have it both ways, either they are evil blood sucking monsters to be shot on sight out they are a thriving lifeblood of the uk economy....

Re the trade agreements, quite simply end go to the relevant countries and say you still want it as it's clearly as good for you as it is for us, if not we'll go elsewhere, russia, china and many others are more than willing to step into the breach.... Please let me know if there is some product that we cant get outside of europe should we need to.

My clear understanding is that back in the 70's the eec was as far abroad as we wanted to look, today the world is a far smaller place.
No, I certainly wasn't saying what you think I was saying.

I am neither in love with the bankers or the banking industry,neither do I think they should be shot on sight. I don't quite know where you got that impression.

However, there is a banking industry in this country that would be hampered by taxes that the EU is wanting to bring in....this would lead to the industry looking for a more, shall we say 'hospitable' base outside the UK.........wouldn't this take jobs out of the country?
Doesn't the banking industry rely on services....so they would lose revenue and also perhaps cut down on staff.

A loss of any industry has a knock on effect, but I am sure that you already know this.
I hope this clarifies my views on the subject. I cannot speak for anyone else.

g jones 18-10-2011 21:34
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 940753)

However, there is a banking industry in this country that would be hampered by taxes that the EU is wanting to bring in....this would lead to the industry looking for a more, shall we say 'hospitable' base outside the UK.........wouldn't this take jobs out of the country?
Doesn't the banking industry rely on services....so they would lose revenue and also perhaps cut down on staff.
The EU transaction tax would apply to all financial transactions in Europe equally. There is a lobby for a unilateral Tobin or Robin Hood Tax here in the UK.

If we were to withdraw from the EU then our position as financial capital of Europe would be in jeapordy.

Not an argument about banks just lost jobs and revenue to the exchequer. Europe as it is now is very unsatisfactory and there needs to be change.

walkinman221 18-10-2011 21:42
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My thoughts on the eu are tainted by some of its employees , i mean come on, how can any organisation that employs Neil kinnock ( and i include the labour party in the past) be taken seriously.For example his thoughts on the house of lords are long known to be derogatory but now after being offered a peerage it appears he has had a change of heart, somewhat hypocritical me thinks.And he is an eu commissioner, pigs at the trough again springs to mind with half of his family working for the eu as well.

Wynonie Harris 18-10-2011 21:50
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 940757)
For example his thoughts on the house of lords are long known to be derogatory but now after being offered a peerage it appears he has had a change of heart
Just like that odious, corpulent hypocrite, Prescott. The working class can kiss my ass, I'm in the House of Lords at last. :rolleyes:

garinda 18-10-2011 21:51
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 940756)
The EU transaction tax would apply to all financial transactions in Europe equally.
Yes, but who in the E.U. will be most affected by this tax?

The City of London, and therefore the U.K., that's who.

garinda 18-10-2011 21:53
Re: How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?
 
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 940760)
Just like that odious, corpulent hypocrite, Prescott. The working class can kiss my ass, I'm in the House of Lords at last. :rolleyes:
Principles is just the shop where Pauline buys her gold plated taps, and lavatory pelmets from.

walkinman221 18-10-2011 21:58
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Lavatory pelmets :pain30::laugh8::laugh8:


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